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Season 27 Works Trophy - Round 5 - Salzburgring

After Monza we visit another fast track, the Salzburgring in Austria.

The race track was first opened in 1968. Lying in a narrow, alpine valley, it has a rather simple layout, with two long straights plus the sweeping and fast "Fahrerlagerkurve" ("paddock turn") at the bottom of the course, and the narrow "Nockstein-Kehre" at the top. In spite of its simple layout, it garnered a fearsome reputation for the high speeds reached on the straights and the "Fahrerlagerkurve". Aussie 500cc two-wheeler great Wayne Gardner won here in 1987 on his way to Australia's first modern motorcycle racing World Title. This track is fearsomely fast, should be fun!

There are more versions but we use Salzburgring76!

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = 95.114.107.48
Race date = Sunday 12-10-2014
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time (21:30 GMT)
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Salzburgring76 (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Salzburg/) or use GPL Trackbase (http://gpltd.bcsims.com/)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Pro
Race length = 39 Laps (50 minutes)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Grads_Works/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=453&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated from the start to the exit of Semperit Kurve on Lap 1. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=453&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

YIKES!  Only just realized that this is the chicaned version.  As Salz74 is known to be a bit of disco heaven, let's hope that the version we're running later today is less problematic.

There's a practice server available (most of) today if you want to try it out. From my experience, no mass disconnections. :)

I've got a stinking cold so plucked for the Beast from Bourne as I didn't expect to finish...
It would have been nice to manage more than 6/7 laps though before the lurgy initiated crash occured, as I was having a blast battling with Tom for about 10th  :(

Hopefully I'll be feeling less like I died on Tuesday  :death:

Wow. Hoped this race could salvage my weekend but it was the icing on the cake...

After start I made a mistake and shifted into 1st gear into the hairpin, and had a bad exit because of it as well. Defended against Bob and knew Greg was left behind. Then approaching the fast left kink I didn't know Greg was alongside, just had watched the left hand view and he wasn't there and Bob was behind me, so I just wanted to take my line and suddenly Greg was already there on the inside...

My own mistake, hope you didn't suffer from it Greg and following cars...

Yeah that was sad . I wasn t very fast in the Brab and we seemed roughly even.
Later I had a slighly boring race trying to follow hmmm Geber was it?. seemed he had a damage but I still couldn t catch. I rolled in to a 6 th due to all the misfortunates

LOL, I am excluded as I have taken a car I had not enough tokens for...
By this 50% rule I have never made any points and therefore no tokens are shown ::)

Shame I saw Tris disappearing on the grid :o
Had a pretty good pace but after some laps my LF got such hot that I had to give in...

I dodged a bullet named Axel! Dean came even closer! That's a shame Axel. You were running a good race.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/Wheelering/dodgingAxel.jpg)

Congratulations Iestyn and Tom! That was very good drive by both you. Iestyn was most consistent and set fast lap on the final lap! Very impressive! You can't ask for any better.

My commiseration with Rob. I'm not proud of what I did to you. It was a bit cruel. I didn't really want to try to pass you. I had to go wide through Semperit to avoid your car. That opened me up for Bob. As slow as we were into Semperit, gave me the thought that you might struggle more with the BRM than I will with the Honda early in the race. If an early opportunity arose I should take it. That played a little part with my zeal into the next turn. I wanted to back off a bit before we collided but Bob was all over us. I didn't really know where to go. I tried to stay as far inside as I could, hoping you knew I was there and  would run a little wider line through the turn and then the drag race down the back straight would better sort things. I never felt anything in my steering wheel but I suspected I hit you. It didn't hurt my car at all Rob. I hated doing that to you. :(

That was a tough race. I struggled with qualifying. Traffic almost kept me out of the 15's. I think I can get the Honda down to 15.5. Andreas' Lotus had me scared at one point so I ended up ruining a great qualifying run.

I knew it was going to be tough with the only car in front of me being Rob's BRM that I thought I might keep pace with. The four cars that qualified behind me looked to be a real challenge. Bob was about even with me. Tom and Dean, I knew would likely get faster in the race. Donnie's Brabham wasn't going to be easy either.

Other than punting Rob, spinning once at the chicane, and getting a lousy exit out the last turn on the final lap, I drove a good race. I was able to hold off Bob and then I held off Tom for a few laps. Dean put a lot of pressure on me the last 12 laps too.

On lap 27 I started thinking if I can run 1:16 flat for the rest of the race, the 5 second lead I have on Dean will be just enough. Then I spin losing 3.5 seconds. I was pushing the car more than I wanted to hold that 5 second gap and then it was gone. I wasn't going to roll over easy. Unfortunately with Dean on my tail after a few more laps, I started losing a few tenths from tiny mistakes which made it even worse. I knew the Honda would be tough to pass on the straights by anything but a Lotus or Eagle. I held off Dean miraculously for 9.9 laps. It took everything I had. My hands were soaked with sweat! With my slow exit in the penultimate turn, it looked like Dean had 3rd place. I wasn't sure and knew it was going to be close until suddenly things get much quieter. I wasn't sure if Dean discoed or lost an engine. I knew I'd get you someday for Enna. GPL smiled upon me. It wasn't going to let you get me after such a good drive in a Honda! :lol:

You guys did an excellent job that got stuck behind me through the Fahrerlager and the chicane. I know it had to be tough following such a slow car through there. It looks like I needed to improve my line into the chicane but I think I was taking the only line the Honda was willing to follow.

It was great to get such a good result! It helps make up for the rotten luck and stupid mistakes I've been making this season.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the fun.

Congrats Iestyn, well done Tommie and great job in the Honda Greg!

Thanks Greg, but it's just simple, I messed up, you did nothing wrong. Should have been aware and should have left enough room...

Loosened up the car because I was afraid of getting too tight in the race (LF) and always would struggle to keep you guys behind me, especially first few laps...making that mistake downshifting into 1st instead of 2nd didn't help...

I think Andy suffered from it damaging his car avoiding me when I bounced back on the track...sry m8 ;)

No problem, Robert. I was obviously just looking for a finish here - mission accomplished.
Grats to Iestyn and well done all finishers.

Hi guys :)
........I come late on the grid and I see my mistake....only 13 liters fuel !!!!!! ???    ... waf.....?. >:( !! I come back qhick in the garage, hoping for the green button......but no green button .........a blue mistake !!...  sorry for the fight guys .....

....just one question , I take the braby but I don't do the race ....am I keeping those 10 tokens ..... ;D

You did not cross the start line, so you have still 0 tokens...  ::)

Same for me, but now I know ;D

Well, in the end, Lotus was a bit of an overkill here, but I had Ray to think about, and when I fluffed getting a low 14 in Q, he nabbed pole position. :P

However, once he was out of the race, I just had to bring it home - a few times the gear slipped out, which gave me a fright :o. I went a little faster at the end, to 'do a Vettel' and secure fastest lap. But, all race, it felt like I was a lone 2014 Mercedes.  :(

If I had prepared, then I should've taken Ferrari - thus I'll have to take it at Road Atlanta, Bremgarten or Parco Sempione instead. Or if I miss events, not at all, who knows ::)

From the intimate view I had it looked like warp...but even without that, contact was likely

Took the cooper for this one, woefully outgunned on the straights and in hindsight I probably should have stuck with the BRM I used in praccy.  Still, the handling was pretty nice, esp through the final few corners.  Congrats on the qually time in the BRM Rob, I know you're fast but you deserve a medal for that!

I made a pretty good start but was wary of getting too close to those in front for the first few corners, however after Rob's issue that was precisely how things developed, I was pretty sure something bad was going to happen and was relieved not to have caused it, tough luck Rob.  After that I chased Greg for a few laps, bit of cat 'n' mouse, he got away on the straights while I seemed to catch in the corners.  I had to be careful not to hit you in the final chicane, but there was no way I could attempt to pass and was always outgunned down the following straight.  Didn't matter though as after a few laps I went off at the hairpin and plummeted doon the order.  I rejoined with Tim & Tom, who let me go and (quite) a few laps later I caught Jethro's BRM, however I lost concentration and shifted doon too early in the right hander prior to the final chicane, spinning the car into the barrier.  GPL seemed to over egg the crash and I launched over the barrier coming to rest upside doon...game over.  Gutted not to have seen the flag, even more so to have been so close to half distance, but at least I only have myself to blame.

Cheers, Bob.

Why is my helmet pink? I have it set to white in GPL so you guys can see me better and my head doesn't get too hot from the sun. :)

When I first saw the picture, it reminded of Pink Floyd - The Wall movie. "HEY PINKIE, GET OFF THE LINE!"

It's a 3d helmet, which uses textures from the car folder and discards your helmet color setting. You can opt for the GPLEA 2d helmet version which uses the original 1998 Papyrus helmet settings, although I doubt you'll like it since it looks uglier ;D .

You can make your helmet white in the replay by going to your murasama car folder, usually C:\Sierra\GPL\cars\cars67\murasama. Backup the file 'h14helm.mip'. Copy 'h08helm.mip', and rename it to 'h14helm.mip'. Now fire up GPL and admire your new white helmet in the replay! :) .

To get starting number 8, which comes with a white helmet in GPLEA cars, you need to be the eleventh person to join the server. Last weekend, I managed just that. Come to think of it, I still haven't thanked you for letting me borrow your nice shiney white helmet in the race ;D .

Incident report submitted using LM2i

Server replay time: - 0h01m03s

Corner cutting on pole setting lap

The incident involved the following drivers:•Ronnie Peterson (Ronniepeterson)

LOL

End of the session, out on full tanks for the last few minutes to see how the car handles, run off track towards end of lap, surprised as anyone by the low 1.14 I set (my fastest lap I believe was a 1.15.01). I apologised in chat immediately before the start of the race to Iestyn and Tristan and anyone else reading for that matter.

What did you expect me to do at the time? Cause a mass pile up at the start by taking someone/everyone by surprise and pulling over? Instead I decided to not contest the run down to the first corner and allow Iestyn free access (to be honest he probably would have taken the lead from the start anyway). Tristan was missing from the grid so there was little I could do to allow him past at the start!

It was an honest mistake which I tried to correct as best I could and I fail to understand completely why this incident report is necessary?

Off track tactics have been used against me on more than one occasion in the past as I have mentioned before and at no time has anyone involved been penalised except the person who remained on track, namely me!!!!

I am stunned by this one to be honest but hardly surprised. I had hoped things had improved with the admin/moderation but it looks like I was wrong.

Ronnie,

'm the moderator and I reported the incident not a driver.  It is my job to apply the rules, I don't stand to benefit from it.  All I'm doing is trying to make sure everyone has fun.  Please use the court system to inform me in private of your side of the story.  I need to be in possession of all the facts and then I will moderate the incident.

Regards

Phil

Re the pole lap: No advantage gained in the race from starting on pole and not aware I spoilt anyones race before my engine died?

In the spirit of a level playing field for all I look forward to the F2 race coming up at Falkenberg. A corner cutting feast and a tricky track to stay on at the best of times. This should provide endless hours of fun for the moderator who has to scrutinise every qualifying and race lap. Some guidance in the race post on the difference between someone going off track deliberately or by accident might be helpful.

Yes, Ray...  Falkenberg will be scored with many '64' laps.  I intend...as I do at courses like Solitude...to run as many clean laps as I can.  I regard it as a great personal challenge to achieve it.

Mod Report published.

Ray
The guidance on corner cutting has been in place for years.  You will find it here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/railriding).  Whether it is accidental or not is irrelevant when determining if a corner has or has not been cut.  The same applies to whether or not someone is rejoining the track having gone wide, the outcome is the same; they have to rejoin carefully.

As far as the F2 moderation is concerned, I doubt the F2 moderator will look at every incident and certainly not every lap.  They may choose to highlight the rules about corner cutting in the race post. 

I choose to be as thorough as I can for the Works because it is the top division for UKGPL and tends to attract the drivers that take Sim Racing seriously.  They deserve to have the moderator take things seriously too.  Having said that I don't particularly enjoy spending hours reviewing races and trawling through reams of GPL Replay Analyzer data.  So any help I can get from the drivers identifying incidents and giving me feedback through the court system (which is private and hence helps to reduce the possibility of misunderstandings and arguments) is most welcome.

Incidentally, I happened to have checked Iestyn's race laps where the replay analyzer showed he had left the track (laps 5, 9, 13, 19, 26, 33 and 39). On none of these occasions had he cut the corner at the Schikane.  Admittedly, I haven't checked everyones laps but the ones that really count, like the pole time and the winners laps, have been checked.

If you have any complaints about the moderating of the Works this season you can submit an appeal to the Chief Moderator.  I can't comment about the other divisions, the moderators work very hard to be as fair as possible but the workload is so high they tend to only look at reported incidents.  That means we have to rely on the drivers to use the court system.  If drivers don't report the incidents then some people will "get away with it" which tends to introduce an air of inconsistency.

At the end of the day it all depends on what we, the drivers, want from UKGPL.  Personally I enjoy the challenge of a well organised race where drivers race hard but within the rules.  That means we have to have firm consistent race moderation.  I don't want to be part of a league where there are no rules and driving standards are no better that Saturday night pick up races for drunks who have just come back from the pub.

I'm happy to put in some effort to support the UKGPL I want to be part of, but that doesn't mean I want to spend hours moderating.  I'd much rather race.

Regards

Phil

Thanks Phil for the moderation. For what it's worth, I think the ruling, and consequently the racing, is significantly more fair than at GPLRacer, where I also used to race often. Whilst the races at UKGPL have been getting more and more fair, I've been hit from behind twice in the last three races at GPLRacer, where due to time constraints there is less and less moderation. I guess that shows how good the moderation around here really is :thumbup1: .

Apart from a win, I guess the most satisfying thing for me is to achieve 100 % on track laps during a race, even more so than a 2nd place perhaps. It indicates top level concentration for almost an hour straight, very rare for me  ;D

You trickster Phil. Me appeal to the chief mod when I can't even bring myself to submit incident reports!
 
Anyway, I'm not complaining, just again seeking reassurance on the consistency of the application of the rules set out at the start of each season.

I am fully aware of the rule on off track excursions but question whether it has been implemented in the past with the same vigour shown on this occasion. For example 2013 in three of the "top  divsions" (Works, Pros, Historics), we raced at Dijon Prenois. We even ran this track the season before I think? Despite routine cutting of corners and off track lines taken by many if not all in qualifying and in the race, the rule which has been in place for years was not invoked once by the moderation team.

I just want to race as well and yes I take it seriously which is why I am taking the time to provide you with feedback as requested.

In response to Doni and Tom I agree with you both. As the proud owner of a few 100% on track race laps here at UKGPL I fully appreciate striving to achieve this goes a long way to not just finishing the race, but securing a good finishing position if not a podium or win.

You do have a point about the even-ness of the application of rules but it is not necessarily a problem. One thing that has always grated with drivers is that they are penalized for something that they feel someone else did in a.n.other race. However, that is a natural consequence of the different moderator 'styles'.

The moderating of a single series should be very consistent as it is one person but consistency across the whole season is not so - ahem - consistent.

Some series do have a lighter 'touch'.

Just for info and as a reminder: we look at the reported incidents and review every second of every car in the red zone. It is a minimum of half an hour for each race if there are no incidents; double that if anything happens and can be a lot more if anything is contentious.

When things are contentious we discuss it in the Mods forum and seek consensus - that does not mean we all agree necessarily.

Finally we review the output of the GPLRA report to look for obvious 'off-track' and resets.

The actual outcome can vary dependent upon the Mod involved but we do try to be fair and highly consistent in judgement of individual incidents. That does not vary by series. The level of penalty deemed appropriate can be different from Mod to mod though.

Hope that helps.

If you do appeal, I believe the Chief Mod is a fine upstanding chap who always appreciates wine at Christmas.... ;)