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Title: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 07, 2014, 08:01:22 PM +0100
Season 27 Privateers Trophy - Round 4 - Salzburgring

The race track was first opened in 1968. Lying in a narrow, alpine valley, it has a rather simple layout, with two long straights plus the sweeping and fast "Fahrerlagerkurve" ("paddock turn") at the bottom of the course, and the narrow "Nockstein-Kehre" at the top. In spite of its simple layout, it garnered a fearsome reputation for the high speeds reached on the straights and the "Fahrerlagerkurve". Aussie 500cc two-wheeler great Wayne Gardner won here in 1987 on his way to Australia's first modern motorcycle racing World Title. This track is fearsomely fast, should be fun!

There are more versions but we use Salzburgring76!  

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL9
IP = 37.157.48.87
Race date = Sunday 12-10-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Salzburgring76 (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Salzburg/) or use GPL Trackbase (http://gpltd.bcsims.com/)
Race length = 39 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30 minutes

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Grads_Privs/)

Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=452&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

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Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 10, 2014, 03:11:43 PM +0100
A new track for me & no 1967 F1 lap records.

So I have a benchmark it would help if anyone could post their times (& what chassis). Ultimately, this might just cause depression by confirming my lack of pace.

Thanks.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Robert Fleurke on October 10, 2014, 06:05:12 PM +0100
Billy, I always check GPLRank (http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/php-pub/gplrank.php) for target times...just look for drivers around your skill and chassis to compare...it's a new track to me as well...

So far best lap 1m16.2s in BRM on lower fuel, first test session though...

Good luck! :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Rainier on October 10, 2014, 08:14:43 PM +0100
I did 1'17''0 with Brabham and 1'16"5 with Ferrari, yesterday (in sessions of 10 laps).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Ronniepeterson on October 10, 2014, 08:36:25 PM +0100
A new track for me & no 1967 F1 lap records.

So I have a benchmark it would help if anyone could post their times (& what chassis). Ultimately, this might just cause depression by confirming my lack of pace.

Thanks.

With or without the shortcut  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: bernie on October 10, 2014, 09:38:32 PM +0100
2m 37secs after 3 whole laps , none stop except one pit stop for pie break  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: dave curtis on October 12, 2014, 08:27:02 PM +0100
DSL has been up/down again;  mainly down.
But have just managed to get track downloaded/installed!

If I make it to the end (or even 50%) I'll be amazed...  right,  better test a setup or two...

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: cg7aa on October 12, 2014, 09:52:49 PM +0100
Darn it, I got my dates wrong for the race. Oops.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: francesco on October 12, 2014, 10:24:49 PM +0100
After some error arrive the usual engine explosion followed by another error........better to retire the car.
Omiting this and  cheking my laps with the replay analizer(compared with others)i discover that my car ,like in other race,is 10Km slower on the straight.This happens also with the F2.Compared with Torton(in Salzurg he have used the Eagle)the difference is 20Km.My top speed was 271 and Phil 293.Is probably a problem of potentiometer but idon't know what i can do.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: maddog on October 12, 2014, 10:35:48 PM +0100
Fran - go to settings page in GPL.  Push down the pedals and the wheel and save this calibration.  This idea is too easy, I know this, but I try to help. :-\ 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: dave curtis on October 12, 2014, 10:39:52 PM +0100
Once it had settled down & some drivers had dropped out; was going pretty well I thought.

However, something that did come to light was that when I popped a SSD drive in over the weekend;  there appears to have been some power profile rudely configured to switch off my monitor after 15mins.  So there was a spin/crash when it all went black!  Luckily,  not THAT much time lost & I don't think there was anyone around at the time. Apologies if so...

The top 3 were away with it & I was pretty happy in 4th.  However, I kept forgetting that raised green picnic site around that left hand corner which just invites you to go faster.  Ended up on there a few times.

Then with about 10laps to go,  car stopped moving & engine noise just dropped lower & lower & lower.    My other screen still showed Internet connection still operational.   I guess I'll show as a disco then;  at least got past 50% & other retirements before me ;)

Cheers all,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Walter Conn on October 12, 2014, 10:45:14 PM +0100
It was good to be back racing. I had not prepared much for the race, but the car felt good during qualifying. I enjoyed racing against Bernie, Bad Blood and Michael Turner. I do OK in the 67's until it is time to push, and then I make mistakes. My second mistake was going to require a shift - R, and then my wife called me into the other room. So that was it. Race over for today. I did have fun, and I am looking forward to the next one.

Thanks, WC


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: francesco on October 12, 2014, 10:47:43 PM +0100
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Fran - go to settings page in GPL.  Push down the pedals and the wheel and save this calibration.  This idea is too easy, I know this, but I try to help. Undecided  
Martin ,is not a problem of calibration.The calibration was done before the race.I don't know if is the potentiometer not original.My pedal are not in production again and i have changed the potentiometer some time ago becouse the original was worn.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: dave curtis on October 12, 2014, 10:55:05 PM +0100
Martin ,is not a problem of calibration.The calibration was done before the race.I don't know if is the potentiometer not original.My pedal are not in production again and i have changed the potentiometer some time ago becouse the original was worn.

With my G25 pedals,  I had a spiking pot which seemed to lead to some interesting acceleration situations & related noises a couple of seasons ago.
Had to do this a couple of times now,  but was able to get in the case & spray a load of contact cleaner inside the pot using a thin plastic straw.

There are certainly some online resources showing opening up troublesome pots & giving them a proper clean if they aren't too worn,  but I've not have to go that far yet.  Maybe a quick'n'dirty spray will do the trick...

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: BadBlood on October 13, 2014, 08:20:38 AM +0100
Didn't know this track at all but got 30 mins praccy in and although I was slow felt that I could find lots of time. Started off nice and steady and ended up chasing Michael - got a bit close through the schikane and had to bail out into the tyres... chased Bernie down and then lost it again clipping a kerb. Now I had Walt and Bernie to catch. Up and down and lots of fun but ended up spinning a couple of times where I pushed too hard and then got horribly motion sick, which seems to be the theme of my season. Sigh.

Might get to 50% at Spa!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: bernie on October 13, 2014, 11:01:32 AM +0100
New track for me too and after briefly trying to get a clear lap without incident I had given up on the idea of completing the required 50% quite surprised to get a 5th place finish though down to others misfortune and  not my own brilliance . 
Found it very difficult to get anything like the times those aliens were doing on the practise server so went with the borne beast so as not to throw away good points . Comes the race started at a leisurely pace and that was how it stayed , whenever I tried to push it along my tyres would quickly go to meltdown state and I would have to back off to let things cool down . Don't understand Pribluda's colour scheme , my tyres only seem to work when they are blue , any other shade and I lose grip like a fish on an iceberg ! according to the instruction book,  the best traction is with green , but it doesnt seem the case with me .

Grats to the podium boys  :)

Well done Mike too for a great Soggies result  :)

Bring on Spa , I have been promised a Lotus drive there  ;)




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: blito on October 13, 2014, 12:36:56 PM +0100
Tricky little track this one with lots of scope for crashing.
I had an hours practise earlier in the week to learn the track and set up the car but perhaps I could have done with more time as the Cooper was a bit of a handful. I was satisfied with the front end grip but the rear of the car was all over the place! None the less, I was really pleased with my qualifying time which I set early on with a low fuel run. I quickly realized however that on full tanks the car was going to be too twitchy to push on and determined that I would not push too hard in the race. Come the green flag though and that though went up in tyre  smoke and I pushed as best as I could but in truth I was struggling. I had been out all day and was frankly far too tired to be racing and sure enough I made mistakes, dropped positions, explored the grass and eventually slammed it into the barriers at the Ost curve.
All in all, a poor race by anyone's standards, and a disappointment to me after the good result from Monza.
Oh, well, that's life I suppose,
Cy'all next time!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 13, 2014, 02:11:40 PM +0100
A rare outing in the Cooper & bit more practice than usual to learn a new track & find a set up to my liking. The oil temperature was pretty much in the red the whole race & I was half expecting the engine to expire at some point.

Jonny O, Phil & Rainer were too quick & that wouldn’t have changed much if I had a faster car. From the grid DC ‘s Brabham out dragged me & was steadily pulling away. Once the race settled down there was battle with Blito for a few laps until the track took its toll. DC retired about half way leaving me in 4th – slower than the cars in front but  with a gap to those left behind. All I had to do was avoid mistakes – so I span into Turn 1 on the next 2 laps. Fortunately no damage & I kept  4TH Spot.

Good choice of track. Cooper was OK & allows me to take something with a bit more grunt at Spa.

Assume that we are driving the Papyrus original & the new long awaited, remodelled track is still ... long awaited.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: JonnyO on October 13, 2014, 04:42:17 PM +0100
  I had a very nice setup here ... because I hit a run oao this track.
  really had a good chance ..... it was all good! :jumpjoy:

  Congrats podium!!!!!!!! :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: francesco on October 13, 2014, 07:38:03 PM +0100
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With my G25 pedals,  I had a spiking pot which seemed to lead to some interesting acceleration situations & related noises a couple of seasons ago.
Thank you for the suggestion Dave.I think that could be also a problem of allignement,but is very difficult to work with this allignement.Anyway i follow also your suggestion.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 13, 2014, 10:02:10 PM +0100
Decided to take the Eagle; I thought I had made a mistake because the rear tyres kept overheating but it looks like several other people had similar problems with different chassis.  Maybe it is a characteristic of this circuit?

Anyway qualified 3rd which I was quite happy with.  I didn't expect to challenge JonnyO, his pole time was just too quick but I hoped to be able to fight for second place.  Got a great start but so did JonnyO and David.  I definitely had a power advantage over David's Brabham on the straight but I struggled to stay with him on the twisty bits.  I just had to hang on and wait for an opportunity to pass.  Fortunately for me, David made a very small mistake at the Schikane on lap 4 which gave me the chance to get a better exit onto the finish straight and I managed to overtake him into the Emco Kurve.  After that it was a matter of managing the tyres and hoping for JonnyO to make a mistake, which he did on about lap 6 or 7 but after that he pulled away for an easy win.  I was concerned that David would mount an attack in the latter stages of the race but I managed to circulate fast enough to keep ahead.  David put in a faster lap than me so he had the speed but whether he would have been able to overtake me is another matter.  It would have been difficult to pass an Eagle in a Brabham on this circuit.  The only decent overtaking places were in the braking zones and it would be difficult to keep a Brabham close enough to mount a viable challenge under braking.

Grats to JonnyO on a dominant win.  Nice racing David, it's always a pleasure to race with you.  Hope George Cheeseman sorts out his diary and makes the next round :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: dave curtis on October 13, 2014, 10:20:54 PM +0100

Yep,  such a nice spot that I kept going back there...

(http://www.zen11259.zen.co.uk/gpl/pastebin/Salzburg_picnic.jpg)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Michael Turner on October 14, 2014, 09:22:13 AM +0100
A fairly uneventful race for me though a couple of offs put me down the track and meant I had to keep an eye open all the time for lappers. I managed a couple of sub 1.20s and finished in the points not too far behind Bernie so a satisfactory result.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: bernie on October 14, 2014, 11:03:38 AM +0100

Yep,  such a nice spot that I kept going back there...

(http://www.zen11259.zen.co.uk/gpl/pastebin/Salzburg_picnic.jpg)



Can't see any Pies there LOL !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Salzburgring - Oct 12
Post by: Robert Fleurke on October 20, 2014, 03:45:18 PM +0100
Mod report published. Thanks all Privateers for making my job easy, great job! :)