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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins)
Race 1: 20:30 (10 laps)

Practice (Car change): ~20:50 (10 mins)
Qualifying: ~21:00 (10 mins)
Race 2: ~21:10 (10 laps)

Track: Brands Hatch GP Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_brandshatch)

Cars allowed: Lotus Elan, TVR Griffith 400. (Drivers must change makes for Race 2).

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

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Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Note early race start time! Drivers shall not change cars during qualifying.

Tony, you've provided a download link, although Brands Hatch is part of the original GTL tracks.  Is it the 'EarlyBrands' we're using ?

When I try to download, I find that I already have before, and the only other Brands I can find in my locations folder is 'EarlyBrands'.

Cheers,
Erling

Brands Hatch is not an original GTL track. You need the non Early Brands track which contains two versions, the GP and the Indy.

Really ?   I've had it for so long, I could have sworn it came with the original game.  I take it it's the GP version we're on then ?

Cheers,
Erling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_Legends

Yes it's the GP circuit

Thanks for the link; I had completely forgotten how short the original list of tracks were..  :o

Cheers,
Erling

I downloaded and have just tried the GTL Brands Hatch GP track. I liked the GTR2 version I used in P&G but am not sure about this one. My first impressions were the kerbs are coated with silicone grease and most of the corners have oil on them. The TVR wants to change ends under acceleration and the Lotus does the same thing under breaking. I found that driving on the beach gets rid of the oil from the tyres and driving slowly keeps the cars off the beach. I started fiddling with the set up (not something I'm good at) and began to get better results. I think some serious time in setting these cars up is required... Should be an interesting race.   :)

Lol, that's a very apt description of these two cars  :D

Always been fond of the TVR, although it can be a bit of a handful, but have never really become friends with the Elan, with its propensity to snap oversteer.  Not going to be easy switching between these two..  :)

Cheers,
Erling

Just tried these cars and, as usual for me, it was a first time out in them.

The TVR is an awesome beast and what a handful!!! and on the car that I was driving someone had disconnected the brakes I'm sure!!!

The Elan felt more refined and yet, after a few laps, both cars were turning in similar lap times??!!  If you had asked me to place a bet on which was fastest ( for me) it would have to be the Elan, as it at least felt like I had some control over where we were going.
With the TVR it is like lighting the blue touch paper out of each corner and hanging on with your eyes shut, just hoping that you can somehow slow down before the next bend and keep the animal pointing in the right direction.  :o :o :o :o :o

As it has already been said......"should be an interesting pair of races"  ::)

Nowthen

I bought a new Graphics card last week - Nvidia GTX760, mostly so I could run Elite Dangerous in more than 800x600
It runs P&G fine, and ancient games like Battlezone 1, but when I try to run GTL it goes to the GTL config screen
and returns there every time. I thought I had run it when I 1st installed the card, but perhaps not.
I have tried reinstalling the drivers that came with the card but no diference.
I have tried all the variations on the options - DX7,8,9 all resolutions, anti alias yes no, frame sync etc
I can refit my old AMD card temporarilly, but need to get GTL running with this new one really.
ANy Clues?  ??? ??? ???

@ Matt. I've read about this recently in a Steam thread. Hand on and I'll try to get the answer.

EDIT: Two fixes seem to work. Run the 3D Config as Admin and/or update graphics drivers.

+1 for the run as Admin - I had a similar problem when I changed my video card last year.  No matter how many times I ran the 3D config, it wouldn't save my settings, until I ran it as admin.

Cheers,
Erling

drivers had been updated, Run as Admin for config and GTL.exe worked  :thumbup1:

Brands will ever be a love-hate relationship for me  ;D

One second faster in the Elan but the TVR is more fun.
Will be a kind of a lottery to see the chequered flag in both races  :-\

Please remember that there is only 10mins qualy so earlier race start time than usual. Don't be late  :scooter:

 ::)

Thanks for the heads up, Tony

I am still feeling the effects of a nasty flu/cold. Not feeling fit enough for a night of racing. You guys have fun tonight!
cheers

Sorry folks the dreaded lockup hoped it would rectify it's self but no avail. ::) ???

Ditto!!! :censored: :'( :thumbdown:

 ??? So sorry Bill !!! No idea how to help.

Had my first CTD in years during practice for race 2
and it looked like a graphical thing too.

Replays and results now posted

@Roger - Whilst following you in the 2nd race I noticed that your brake lights were on for a long time i.e. not just at corners.

Brands Hatch - TVR/Elan

Too bad Postal was sick (good recovery)...& Bill 2 with a CTD (race #2). I must admit, I & Bill 1 (?) Got a shock when you were parked in the middle of the track in a hard turn...luckily it went almost ok.  8)

I was lucky in either race, but it was a tough switching from TVR for Elan, almost the same lap times...but very different cars  :D
A little fun before the race I press this: Be 1st at T1...& so did Bill 1  ;D

Now we are talking about Bill...I spoke with Bill (Gates) & we built a new computer car to Bill 2  :laugh:

Thanks for a really fun day at Brands Hatch & Grats to you all.
Big thanks to our TEAM-GTLDK...damn, we're good  :D

Pelle gave us a taste of things to come in quali for race 1 when he ran away with pole position.
For the opening laps of race 1 I was able to stay with Pelle while he was making a few small mistakes but as soon as he settled down he consistently pulled a few tenths per lap on me until the end. I was very pleased to get P2 though, I preferred the TVR over the Elan and enjoyed the laps  :)
Race 2 started in a similar manner (with the addition of a fright when finding Bill2's car stationary ... fortunately no contact though) but at around 3/4 race distance I got the chicane all wrong and went off track. This was just what Clive needed and he breezed past as I rejoined  >:( . This really spiced things up and I had great fun giving chase but couldn't find a way past so P3 it was  :)
All in all a great event ... roll on the next one  ;D

Grats to Pelle on wins
Grats to Podiums

Tony (Roger - Whilst following you in the 2nd race I noticed that your brake lights were on for a long time i.e. not just at corners.) the pots in my g27 pedals have had it, changed the clutch pot to throttle ages ago, seems impossible to get new pots logitech will not supply them, will prob have to buy new pedals, as is can blame the pedals for my poor results  ;) ;) ::) lol

 A great choice of cars and track. I found these 2 cars a real handful, mainly because they were so different, just as Pelle has already said.

The first race was great fun as I tried to keep my Elan in touch with 3 bellowing TVRs on front, but by half distance it was clear that Pelle and Bill G were way too fast for me. Erling was still in sight and laying some impressive rubber lines through the corners, so maybe he was struggling just a little? and if I could get closer I might be able to add to his problems. The he got thing a bit wrong at Paddock Hill and performed a long slow motion spin with immense amounts of blue smoke ( presumably to hide his embarrassment?), so I turned on the headlights and picked my way through the murk and stole 3rd spot.

The change in driving style between the nimble Elan in the 1st race and the brutal TVR in the second race really caught me out and it took all of qually and the first 4 laps of the race to begin to settle in. The unfortunate disco of Bill that left his car parked on the apex of the bend into Dingle Dell was a nasty shock but actually did me a favour as it allowed me to close the gap to the 2 fast guys ahead. So that when Bill G ran wide at the Esses a lap or two later I was close enough to take the chance and steal 2nd place. The rest of the race was a defensive drive, just trying to wrestle the TVR into the corners and use the power to out drag Bill's Elan down the straights. I tried to keep it fair...hope that I did, but it got a bit hairy at times.

Sorry to hear about Bill2's ongoing problems with his freezes/disco. It does sound an awful lot like AV updating/kicking in, but then I know zilch about computers. I use a small programme called "Enditall" before each race session that shuts down every other programme that is not needed. I can e-mail this if it helps?

Yep ... you drove well and it was a most enjoyable dice  :D

A challenging series this, with the quick switch between such different cars.

Race1:
In preparation for our previous V8 race, I tried educating myself in the mysteries of car setup. Mostly left me none the wiser, and I didn't improve my laptimes over the default setup, but did notice a couple of things.  Tried some of the same on the TVR setup I have used throughout my GTL career, and suddenly my laptimes dropped, culminating in a 1:45.5 in offline praccy. Sadly it's been a one-off, unrepeatable lap - mostly due to getting most corners just right.

Qualified 3rd, and TVR power for once prevented me from being jumped by Clive as the start went.  Early on I was in contact with the front runners, but eventually they pulled away.  Behind, Clive was inching closer. Still confident I could keep him behind me, if I stuck to the racing line. With the TVR extending the gap as soon as you could get the power down, it would be very difficult for him to mount an attack.

Then it all went tits up.  Once again my #1 hated corner of all tracks; Paddock Hill, got the better of me.  Lost the rear, and almost - almost held it, but no; the bloody thing of course had to end on the grass, do a 180 and leave me facing the wrong way - and uphill.  By the time I had extricated myself from that, Clive was 10 secs ahead.  This held to the final lap, where Paddock Hill mugged me again - felt like a complete amateur..  ::)

Grats to the podium.

Race 2:
Early on in GTL, I became aware of the Elan's nasty habit of snap-oversteer under braking.  Have always avoided it if I could - mostly the TVR would be available too, and I always went with it instead.  Luckily I found a setup in my drawers, that has ironed out those tendencies.  Was thus able to abuse it quite heavily, without it biting back.

Qualified 4th, but was outdragged by Matt at the start.  Cars behind dropped back already on L1, so no immediate threat from there. Tried to hang on to the orange TVRs of Clive & Matt, hoping either - or preferably both would make a mistake  ;)   Had a true 'fresh-pants-needed' moment, when Matt's car froze in front of me.  Hit it at full bore, which lifted my car, with all 4 wheels off the ground. Surprisingly no damage - except for 10% engine health lost, when I downshifted too early in the confusion  :o

The jolt apparently got Matt going again too, and he shadowed me not too far back for most of the remaining race.  Clive had a few moments, which brought me closer, but then he got his act together and pulled away.  Thus had to settle for 4th once more.

Grats to the podium again - and especially Pelle for two very convincing drives.

Very sorry to see that Bill's problems are still ongoing  :(  Maybe trying the program Clive suggests would be an idea.

Cheers,
Erling

Sorry for the scare Erling. I had a black screen moment, I think it was because i had left Firefox running on facespace, and someone posted.
I usually shut everything down.

Today's Report from Brands Hatch  :punk:

Race 1 (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/Lotus-v-TVR/BrandsHatch/R1/index.html)

Race 2 (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/Lotus-v-TVR/BrandsHatch/R2/index.html)

My second (and third) races on SimRacing.org. Enjoyable again. For some reason I could not match the times I had achieved offline a few days earlier when I spent well over an hour practicing. My fastest laps were 2 – 3 seconds slower. I did not seem to have the confidence to attack the corners. (Just a bit of a bad day, I hope). Even so I still managed a few stupid errors. I don’t think it made much difference to my finishing position though, I would have just finished closer to the guy in front. I had some fun dicing with Eifelblitz in race 2. I was surprised by how fast he was on one section of the track. (The Dingle Dell to Sterling’s Bend section).  I think I might have put him off by being so slow there during our dice.
 
Grats to podiums and all and hard luck for those who had problems.

Now to start practicing for Bathurst.  ;D

Thanks, nice livery. 8)

 ;Do
Thanks Clive, I'd like to give Enditail a go.  My email address is on my SimRacing profile page.

@ Bill Thomas - Did you do this? https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12160.msg218224#msg218224

May help?

I thought these races were a load of fun and certainly had a few adventures driving both of the cars.

Really wondering how the other circuits will pan out. It seemed like Brands had the right number of turns and straights to match these cars quite well. Some future tracks may offer an advantage to one make over the other but then the challenge is to make the most you can of the weaker car.

Anyway Mallory Park next, hope to see you all there.

If that should be the case, it's probably more or less evened out, since we all have to drive both cars at each event - unless of course if some of us are complete klutzes in one of the cars..  :D

Cheers,
Erling