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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Track: Riverside (Nascar) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_riverside)

Cars allowed: American 1970's V8's pack Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8)
                            AMC Javelin
                            Camaro Z28
                            Dodge Challenger RT71
                            Ford XB Falcon GT
                            Plymouth SC 'Cuda
                            Pontiac Firebird

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

Ooooh, Dodge Challenger; my favorite Yank Tank, ever since seeing 'Vanishing Point' the first time.  Hope it doesn't drive like the Charger... :D

Cheers,
Erling

Looks like a fine set of American Muscle Tony :cowboy:

Doh!!! just when I thought I had a season of experience that I could put to good use, Tony throws a whole new mix of cars into the pot  :-\

So many cars, so little time  :-\  But if it is anything like last season it should be fun  ;)

As long as you guy's realise that this fixture is scheduled for December 7th 2015  :whistling:

!!!!! talk about planning ahead????!!!  :o

Feeling effects of all this Christmas Bustle - knackered, so will miss this race and rest up for the final Christmas push and drive to High Wycombe!! :sleep1:  :rockon:

Ok Bill, sounds like a good plan. Have a great holiday with your family  :yes:

Went to join grid for the start and had a CTD  :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

Have a good'un

Always hated Riverside  :hang:

Replay and results now posted

The final Championship of UKGTL Season 15 is done and our champions are...............

1st - Senyorlobo :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

2nd - Erling G-P  :thumbup2: :thumbup2:

3rd - phspok  :thumbup1:

Well done gent's and a huge thank you to everyone who took part over the past year.

@ Jeep - do you have XD installed?

http://www.vitumo.de/

Thanks for letting me drive with you guys I really enjoyed it. Much of my race was spent with a few seconds gap in front and behind so a nice quiet introduction to UKGTL on line which suited me. Disappointed to see Tony disco at the start though.

I wasn't as far off the pace regarding lap times as I thought I would be, so well pleased on that side of things. A spin, a quick "Hello" with the Armco and finally running out of fuel were the only times I actually lost places during the race. Had I not under filled the tank I would have at least only been 1 lap behind.

One thing I definitely do need help with is set up's, running default set up obviously doesn't quite cut it in this company.

Mondays are not a good night for me but having made the plunge I do want to try to make it whenever I can during 2016 if that's ok.

Thanks again.

TTFN
John.

Hi Tony,
 Yes I do have XD installed but I'm still trying to work out exactly how/if I can configure it to my liking. For example. Is there anyway of colour coding the drivers so you can see if the person behind is lapping or contesting the position? (A bit like Pribluda in GPL for those familiar with it). The GUI showing general car health seems quite straight forward but trying to read the driver list and do the math to determine if I need to let the driver behind through or fight for the position is a bit too much for me at my current level of expertise.

I hope I kept out of the leaders way, I dived for the edge of the track when I saw them coming and didn't see any carnage as a result.

TTFN
John.

Hi Jeep, glad you enjoyed your first outing with us. Next time add at least one laps more fuel ok?  ;)

Not an expert on XD but I've never heard of anyone changing drivers names colour, sorry.

I do feel for you, Tony :o Having a CTD at the start is not the best way to begin the Christmas week. I did wonder if I was going to have problems myself. I lost connection during quali and at the startline I noticed I was 15th out of 14, with you nowhere to be seen.

Anyway, congrats to you Jose on your Championship win, and well done Coyote and Matt for your 2nd and 3rd places. 

 :clap: :clap: :thumbup1: :notworthy: :thumbup1: :clap: :clap:

Well that's another season done and dusted. I'd like to thank everyone who took part in our races and wish all the community a very happy holiday and good fortune and health in the New Year.

And remember that the perfect antidote to too much Xmas excess are the GTL Christmas Specials, details below.

Best wishes

Tony

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13333.msg240319#msg240319

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13334.msg240321#msg240321

Once again an excellent event on one of the US's great old tracks. Had a great race with Ziu, both of us leading at some stages during the race. Had to accept defeat in the end, Ziu was just that merest fraction of a second quicker over a lap. Shame Ati went out early as he seemed to have equal pace in qually.  :-[

Congrats to Jose, Erling & Matt on the championship podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Many thanks to Tony for organising some wonderful races. I only competed in the later half of the year, but these races have now become unmissable.  :jumpjoy:

Also for anyone interested in P&G, can I remind you of the final SROUK v NG v GC Inter-League race on December 29th.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13493#event4804

Nearly didn’t make it as I felt a bit knackered after a party and then a late night over the weekend (can’t keep up with the pace these days). Just like my sim driving.

Once I got behind the wheel I perked up and had a steady race. One mistake going slightly wide let Bob past and another slightly untidy corner let Matt past. It didn’t matter much as they were both a good second a lap faster than me later in the race. I thought they were also about one mph faster on the long straight when we were up to speed. At least that’s what it looked like. I had increased my tyre pressures, selected the highest gear ratio, and lowered the car. Naturalised the toe in. I didn’t have the option to increase the rev limits. How do you get these cars to go faster? I think Matts body modifications may have helped, reducing the overall mass of his car and creating less air resistance.

I settled into my usual lonely spot with nobody to race. Pity Tony had a disco, I was looking for him in my mirrors until I noticed he wasn’t running.
Congrats to Champion and runners up and I would like to wish all and their families a VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR.  :jumpjoy: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Not sure tyre pressures uncrease gearing in this? mine were at whatever gave as even a temp across the tyre as I could get
To me, I was coming onto the long straight slightly faster, and then got a tow when you were in front.

First thing Grats Jose, Erling & Matt for Championship podium. Thanks Geoffers for beautiful race, it is always a pleasure to get battle with you.

My win is for Bob e Ati and our Team.

Grats all and MARRY CHRISTMAS AT ALL


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I was talking about when we were up to speed on the long straight at max revs and you were both in front of me and too far ahead for me to slipstream Matt. It looked like you were both still pulling a little further ahead. Very, very marginal. I realised you probably got a slightly better entry to the straight on a couple of laps. Maybe there is a trick to setting the car up I’m not aware of but most likely it’s my driving.  :wheelchair: ::)

Grats to the podium and Jose for winning the Championship - and to Matt for 3rd place  :clap: :clap:

Aside from the first few laps, the race was uneventful for me.  On L1, I poked my nose too far up the inside of the car ahead in a corner, and was squeezed into those concrete tyres.  Fortunately at relatively low speed, so no significant damage to the car.  Still spun and lost some places though.  Made them up again, mainly through others misfortune.  At one point I passed Matt, who was recovering from an off. Tried subsequently to break his tow down the runway, but it was too late and he sailed past.

Matt slowly inched away and eventually the gap to the car ahead stabilized at around 10 secs.  Had Jeep on a steady pace behind me, with the gap first growing to 5 secs, later 10 secs and eventually jumped to 20 secs late in the race, possibly when he ran out of fuel ?

Thus most of the race was a lonely affair, but at least I accomplished my main mission:  Keep the gap between Matt & me small enough to make sure he didn't nick 2nd place in the championship..  :)

Like Misnoimis, I'm also looking for setup clues. I obviously can't keep up with the aliens, but am still scratching my head over being almost 3 secs off the pace, on a relatively uncomplicated 1:3x sec lap.  Is there something very significant that needs to be changed from the default setups ?   I of course adapt the gearing to the track and I try to set tyre pressures to get even temps across the tyres, but what else is instrumental in making these cars go faster ? (Providing anyone is willing to share their secrets  8))

Liked the track btw; had a nice flow to it, especially through the string of S-bends.

Jeep: With regards to finding out if a car behind you is lapping, or in fact one to race, you can activate the driver tags to find out.  It shows not only driver name, but also his position, in parenthesis. So if you know your own position and a car is approaching from behind, you can a: activate driver tags (if not on already) b: look behind you. Driver tags and positions are shown also in rear view, so it should give you all the needed info.  I have both functions mapped to buttons on my wheel, making them easily accessible.

Thanks again to Tony for organising, and to all participants for making this a great and challenging series.

Merry Christmas to everyone !! :balloon:

Cheers,
Erling

@ Erling, maybe if you pm Jose he can email you his setup?

First off congrats to Jose for his championship season and then Erling and Matt for 2nd and 3rd.  Second grats to my T- mate Ziu for his win at Riverside and a big sorry to my other mate, ATi for his bad luck.   Third thanks to Tony for organizing the series.
Good finish for me but after the first couple of laps was alone, with Jose far ahead and misnoimis in my mirror and then towards the end Matt was closing in because my tires were gone.  Held on for 5th and that's allright with me...
If you didn't get enough of the track, we will race it again in the Trans Am series next season.  Save one of the cars with a high top speed for this track, between the 5 their is a difference, kind of like the LM55 cars, some fast and then some faster.
Again so glad I joined in racing with you guys, really has been a pleasant experience!!!!!  Hope we can get more drivers next year!!!

Bob M.

For what it is worth Erling, and anyone else, I was finding chunks of time by getting my braking and turn in points right for the slowest corners.
My PB in the 6 or so laps I did prior to on line practice last night was around 1:35.

On one practice lap last night lap I suddenly gained 0.8 secs through just one corner, and it did not even feel fast..just smooth. Tried the same line next lap and found the same gain. Applied the same brake,turn in, accelerate technique on a couple of other corners and shaved about 2 secs off my PB.
I also looked to carry as much pace through the corners as possible. So that the run from the S/F line was pretty much flat in 4th all the way to T7? at the bottom of the hill, with just a fractional lift ( to get the front end to bite and turn in ) just before those concrete tyres. I know that Jose was faster than me through that section and was gaining 0.2-0.3 secs towards the end of the race when my tyres were trashed.

This is where the setup comes into play, but I have always maintained ( even over in GPL) that the setup has to suit the driver. It is very difficult to change your driving habits to make a particular setup work at its optimum. What you can do is to tweak the setup parameters to make the car conform more readily to what you want it do. Some sim drivers want the car to be really grippy on the front so that they can brake late and get a sharp turn in, others prefer a very docile car that can be eased into a corner and powered out without any dramatic oversteer. The wrong driver/setup combination just does not work IMHO.

Last night both available cars were on the rev limit before they were half way down the main straight , and were both ( IMHO) very similar on top speed. So I opted for the car that felt better through Turns 1-8 as this is where I felt that the time was to be gained.
I think that comparing speeds down that straight is misguided, because if you lost a second on the straight but your car was better suited to the Esses etc you would more than recover that loss. In fact when I tried both cars on similar setups there was only about 0.2 secs between them, but it was just easier in the Falcon.

I know very little bout setups in GTL , but I am learning slowly and now have enough knowledge to be dangerous to wildlife. Before changing a setup I ask myself what is the biggest thing stopping me from going quicker.

It might be that the car is unstable under heavy braking? snap oversteer mid corner or just massive understeer coming out of corners preventing you getting on the gas. Or simply that the car becomes unpredictable through the corners.
It is all about confidence in how your car will respond to any input from you and your wheel/pedals. If everything works as you expect, you will have confidence and will be at the sharp end of the grid because you are not losing time fighting the car at each corner.
I am reluctant to post suggestions about what to do to correct handling problems within the GTL cars, as I am only just discovering them myself and there are others around here who know far more than I do.

Where I did learn a lot was when I downloaded one of ATi's on line setups for a car, and then compared how that behaved compared to how my attempt a setup worked. I switched back and forth between the cars and I then adjusted my setup ( one parameter at a time) to try and learn what bit made things different...................very illuminating  ::)

Thanks very much for the insight Clive.

Have experienced on other tracks how important the right line can be for your laptimes, but guess I never really found it on yesterday's track.  Agree on setups too - have tried a couple of yours, but found them too nervous for my taste.  Likewise, I recently tried one of Ati's setups; believe it was for the Datsun 240, but found the rear way too loose for me to control.  Would probably be educational to try and analyse why it was so loose, like you did, so guess I have work to do..  :)

Cheers,
Erling

I can give you a loose and understeery setup for any car you like   :angel:
Except perhaps the Big Maser which I can't drive if I don't give it loadsa rear grip

Great post Clive  :yes: :thumbup1:

Thanks Matt, I guess what I would really like to know is how you do that - if the recipe is the same every time..  :)

Cheers,
Erling

I am reluctant to "teach grandma to suck eggs" if you can do setups in GPL why can you not in GTL or R3E
it's all the same concepts? I can tell you what I do, some is science, some is intuition, some is whatI "think" works

Well I thought the same when I started in GTL ( having been a GPL addict for many years), "Setups will be simples"  ;D

TBH I have not found it quite as easy as I expected and I have taken myself down some very dark tunnels searching for the magic solution. It feels to me like some parameters respond as I would expect them to in GPL, but others do not give me the same result.
Now, that might be because I am comparing a 67 Grand Prix car with a 1955 Maserati 5.7litre battering ram. If the physics are modelling the expected performance correctly, these cars are never going to behave in the same way.

It has taken me about a year of fiddling and experimenting, but I now have a basic "clive default" for most of the various car groups which I am refining with each outing. Practice time outside of actual races is limited for me at the moment so most learning and development takes place just prior to a race. Often I am wrestling with a less than perfect setup and hoping that the tyres will survive, but gradually that situation is improving.
Pitstops are an achilles heel for me and I might try and get that sorted in my head next.

The other issue is that both here and in GPL most people find my setups far too twitchy and "pointy", so maybe I am a little unconventional.

At the end of January I am officially retiring, but might return part time on various projects with my old company. Although one might hope that I will have more free time for important things like sim racing, the list of jobs my wife has prepared would make that dream unlikely!!  :-\

I have never played GPL, so have no experience to draw upon from that; in other words, I'm a blank slate when it comes to setups..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_QXVoUzFNV2ZndVU?ltmpl/index.html)

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Merry Xmas everybody and all the Best ! CU on track.


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Thanks for the results!

I uploaded my setup:

Folder: Riversidenascar
Name: firebird senyorlobo

But I don't think that it a good setup. I don't had time for test changes  ;)

Thanks for your grats guys.  ;D

Merry Xmas to all!!!

Cheers!!

Thanks Jose; will give it a look anyway  :)

Cheers,
Erling

I have mailed you my setup thoughts, with some really bad spelling mistakes....

Thanks a bunch Matt; very much appreciated !!

Cheers,
Erling