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Title: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 09, 2014, 04:09:19 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=462&theme=5)

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Track: Zandvoort '67 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_zandvoort)

Cars allowed: Aston Martin DBR1 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr1), Jaguar D-Type (1955 version only) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype), Mercedes 300SL Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_merc_300sl_lm55), Austin Healey 100 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_healey100s)

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (26 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Notes:
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Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: SpecialKS on April 14, 2015, 10:33:50 AM +0100
Just found this - we already raced at Goodwood but just as a teaser:

"Goodwood 9 hour race 1955":

http://wookey.bbfr.net/t225-images-from-goodwood-9-hour-race-1955 (http://wookey.bbfr.net/t225-images-from-goodwood-9-hour-race-1955)

(You have to register to enlarge the pics)

 :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 14, 2015, 12:36:52 PM +0100
Good find Kurt  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: hayman3131 on April 14, 2015, 04:23:02 PM +0100
hi

cant make this one........................  :'(
band rehersal..............

have fun all

cya
hayman


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: EvilClive on April 16, 2015, 09:48:57 PM +0100
Just found this - we already raced at Goodwood but just as a teaser:

"Goodwood 9 hour race 1955":

http://wookey.bbfr.net/t225-images-from-goodwood-9-hour-race-1955 (http://wookey.bbfr.net/t225-images-from-goodwood-9-hour-race-1955)

(You have to register to enlarge the pics)

 :)


I have been to the Goodwood Revival for the past 3 years and they run a race at dusk on the Friday evening for cars such as these. The race is usually about an hour long and timed so that the cars just about need their headlamps for the last 20%. The race is run to remember these endurance races of the 50's and 60's, and the sounds and sights of these cars thrashing around Goodwood sets up the whole weekend.

Can't wait for this year...tickets and accommodation already booked  ;)

If you like cars from the 50's and 60's and want to see them really racing, not just parading around, then get yourself down to the Revival!!    https://grrc.goodwood.com/goodwood-revival/best-coverage-goodwood-revival-2014-words-pictures-video#TmYuDmPJBHb9IpB2.97


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: SpecialKS on April 17, 2015, 07:51:25 AM +0100
Thanks Clive  :)

There's a nice vid on that page - ok it's motorcykling, but who cares:

https://grrc.goodwood.com/goodwood-revival/video-ride-along-with-mike-the-bike-hailwood-at-spa (https://grrc.goodwood.com/goodwood-revival/video-ride-along-with-mike-the-bike-hailwood-at-spa)

I'm still looking for historic motorcycle pics and vids from the Nordschleife. There's a lot about car racing but
I couldn't find anything about motorcycling on the Nordschleife yet.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 17, 2015, 08:50:46 AM +0100
I hate seeing photo's of classic cars being driven by someone in a full face helmet.  :no:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: EvilClive on April 18, 2015, 10:34:03 AM +0100
I hate seeing photo's of classic cars being driven by someone in a full face helmet.  :no:

Yes, I understand what you mean Tony, it does look "wrong" somehow and not quite in period. But there is something very atmospheric seeing these great cars actually racing and exchanging paint samples. Plus of course, the sounds are awesome and each car is different, so unlike modern F1.

If any of you reading this who like the older cars (and motorbikes) has not been to the Revival ( as opposed to the Festival of Speed ) and wants to see iconic cars from before 1966 at 100% commitment on a great circuit....get your ticket and enjoy.
There are a few of us hard core GPL'ers who try and go every year for the whole weekend, and one or two who make a daytrip. We all meet up and enjoy a beer and bacon roll or two, whilst drooling over the machinery and exchanging banter about our simracing exploits.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: misnoimis on April 18, 2015, 11:39:02 AM +0100
I go to the Goodwood Revival Meeting, usually for one day only, a great event. I have not been for the past few years but hope to make it again this year. I remember watching many of the same cars racing there first time round. For anyone interested in historic motor racing it is not to be missed. I watched much of it live on-line last year.

I will give this week’s Sim race a miss. I have not resolved my slipping G27 peddle unit issue yet. I remembered that I had a mat in my loft. It turns out to be thicker and rubber backed so it should be more suitable to use than the one I had put down to save ware on the carpet.
 
The mat is partly placed under a heavy computer desk set up. Unfortunately due to the sudden onset of good weather in southern England I have put my dodgy back out and am now having physio. Too much golf and gardening too soon is to blame.
 
I don’t want to risk making the  back worse so when its fit I will try a new setup and also get a pair of thin soled slippers so I can tell what’s going on with the peddle unit. I don’t think it would be fair to possibly compromise someone else’s race by risking another race with this setup.

Hope all enjoy their race and should see you in two weeks.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 18, 2015, 01:56:42 PM +0100
Sorry to hear about your back troubles. Seems to be a common complaint amongst sim-racers  ???

Look forward to your return when your fighting fit, meanwhile don't overdo it ok?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: EvilClive on April 19, 2015, 01:44:45 PM +0100
oooo! back pain is not good and needs treating with respect. I trust that you are being well rested and cared for, and that the "domestic nursing care" will soon have you fit and well for simracing.  ::)

Maybe we should register "Simracer's Back Pain" as a genuine syndrome by the BMA? Perhaps then, the general public would understand the stress and effort we go through for our sport and the Lottery Fund would give out sponsorship money to us to allow full time training?? I wonder which of the candidates wanting my vote for the upcoming general election would back the idea??

Just a thought................................ :whistling:



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: phspok on April 19, 2015, 02:09:38 PM +0100
That mad Scotts woman will support anything if it gets a vote  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: misnoimis on April 19, 2015, 11:30:06 PM +0100
oooo! back pain is not good and needs treating with respect. I trust that you are being well rested and cared for, and that the "domestic nursing care" will soon have you fit and well for simracing.  ::)

Maybe we should register "Simracer's Back Pain" as a genuine syndrome by the BMA? Perhaps then, the general public would understand the stress and effort we go through for our sport and the Lottery Fund would give out sponsorship money to us to allow full time training?? I wonder which of the candidates wanting my vote for the upcoming general election would back the idea??

Just a thought................................ :whistling:



 :lol: Yep, bad backs are no fun so I’m doing all the right things now having done too many wrong things the previous week. It is strange how many Simracers suffer. An hour or more in the hot seat doesn’t help a dodgy back.

I’ve plenty of incentive to get the back better quickly though, the last time I had physio the physiotherapist was a young female. :wub: This time it’s a fifty year old male. Nice guy but…   ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: BillThomas on April 20, 2015, 12:22:47 PM +0100
Tell me about it but I find some back exercises help to keep it in check, it also helps to loosen the muscles.  No lockups like I use to get - had to sell my BMW 1800 iS Saloon,  :'(  almost sitting on the floor in a sports wrap around seat, I couldn't get out sometimes on my own - wife had to literately lift and pull me out while I suffered! :surrender: :censored:

Like my old mum use to say "old age is a tragedy".  :rockon:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Erling G-P on April 20, 2015, 12:32:45 PM +0100
Tick off one more member of the 'bad back' society...   :(

Sorry to hear about your troubles misnoimis.  Hope you get well soon, and can get the pedal issue sorted too.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Bill Grewcock on April 20, 2015, 07:54:49 PM +0100
You definitely have my sympathy, Misnoimis ... I injured my back 12 months ago, it flared up again at Christmas and it still stops me from doing races of more than about 45-60 minutes.

I hope you have a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 20, 2015, 08:49:08 PM +0100
Hit a Merc parked sideways across the start finish straight which I presume only I could see  ??? Anyway it totalled my car and I couldn't break free from it so no option but to quit out. Hope you guy's have a better one.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: BillThomas on April 20, 2015, 09:03:31 PM +0100
Hit a Merc parked sideways across the start finish straight which I presume only I could see  ??? Anyway it totalled my car and I couldn't break free from it so no option but to quit out. Hope you guy's have a better one.

I lasted a bit longer tried to keep out of the way of lapping cars on T1 but jumped the fence - drove around outside the fence until I found la la land.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Bill Grewcock on April 20, 2015, 09:40:00 PM +0100
When the lights turned green I had a good start and, after some early-lap skittles, I found myself in P2 with Clive ahead and Erling close behind. Clive gradually eked out a couple of seconds lead but Erling's Healey was a constant presence looming large in my mirrors. This state of affairs was maintained for about 3/4 of the race until Clive dropped it and I inherited the lead. Erling increased the pressure but my Merc seemed to have just a bit more "umph" over the latter part of the lap so I was able to keep ahead. Meanwhile Clive was staging an awesome recovery and in my mirror I was able to watch the drag race between Erling and Clive out of the final turn and over the finish line  :fencing:... check the results to see the outcome ... what a finish  ;D

Thanks for the series, Tony ... great stuff  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 20, 2015, 10:16:44 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: senyorlobo on April 21, 2015, 07:38:20 AM +0100
wow, what a race.
My first race with aston martin db1. Very difficult to drive but the qualy was very good. The start was horrible. I had to be careful because it's easy to spin. 2nd place behind Clive. In 2nd lap I made a little mistake and can't recovery to the track until leave pass all the drivers. Last place for me but 24 laps to the finish.
I tried to keep calm and little by little gain positions and the gap with the top 3 close and close.
6 laps to go, in the first turn I saw Clive at the middle of the track. I tried to avoid but I lost the control of the car and spun again. My options to get to the top 3 vanished and 4th for me this time.
I would have liked to fight with the top 3 would have been more fun. Anyway, funny race. Race for learn to drive this beast.

Grats Bill, Clive and Erling for the pod.
Thanks all!

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: SpecialKS on April 21, 2015, 06:13:29 PM +0100
Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_fm9PQ3dGSXY3ejBBVThocHYzVDZObHVPbnVZcUtJNFVtTF93RmthWVBvUTA/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: EvilClive on April 21, 2015, 06:28:22 PM +0100
I managed to get a just few laps practice in over the weekend. I knew the circuit, it is the same as the original GPL track, but these cars are different so I wanted to try them out.

This version of Zandvoort is a conundrum because the only place to pass ( assuming the car in front does not make a mistake) is braking for Tarzan, so straight line speed is important. But,, as the last lap would show  ;). The sweeping corners around the rest of the track need a car with good handling to maximise lap times.

I had sort of decided that it was either the Aston Martin or the Merc, simply because they had greater top speed over the Healey.

After just a few laps with the Merc and some minor tweaks to the setup it just felt so solid and stable. The Aston was faster but was more of a handful, so the decision was easy...the Merc would have to do.

Quali was done on race fuel until the final rush for pole started and Jose started to post some serious laptimes, along with one or two others. So, knowing that track position is everything around Zandvoort I dumped a load of fuel and went on a Banzai lap. That still did not get me pole!! lol Jose was tantalisingly just ahead, but at least I was on the front row.

I could not believe my luck at the start when the Mercedes just hooked up and Jose's car bogged down. I was into Tarzan in 1st place and had a clear track ahead... I just had to make it count. So I pushed really hard through lap1, very aware of those Aston's behind and their top speed down the straight.
I pulled enough of a gap to survive  and tried to concentrate on my braking and my lines to maximise the speed through the back of the circuit. lap 2 and Jose dropped back and I had a comfortable lead to build on. Gradually I stretched out my advantage and at one point I was seeing 5 secs plus advantage, but a couple hesitations as I passed backmarkers reduced that ( no complaints about those backmarkers they moved over as soon as they could safely do so, it was just my bad luck to catch them where I did).

as the fuel load came down I was braking later and later into Tarzan, fully aware that Bill and Coyote were keeping up a relentless pressure just a few seconds behind. Then a momentary lapse of reason and I just pushed the braking a couple of metres too far so that the rear tyre just clipped the sand at Tarzan and despite fighting the slide with all the lock I could apply the tail came around and I was beached on the inside of the bend.
Mr Grewcock and his shadow did not stop to ask if I was OK and swept past. In my hurry to get after them, I might have re joined the circuit a little too briskly in front of Jose, for which I apologise.
For the next few laps red mist overcame effective driving and it was not until I started to concentrate properly that the gap to Coyote's bootlid started to close, but we were now into the last 3 laps!!!  :o
As we entered the last lap I was still 10 mtrs adrift and only some absolute "on the limit" cornering closed those last few metres. I knew that my only chance to gain back a place was the drag race out of the last corner so I put everything I had into nailing that exit onto the finishing straight.
I really did not think I was going to make it as Coyote had his right foot screwed to the floor in that Healey, but slowly the slipstream dragged me closer and as we passed the pits I dived out and put both feet on the accelerator pedal. Slowly, oh so slowly!!,  I drew alongside that Healey, with the line rushing towards us.
It was not until I slowed and looked at the positions that I realised I had robbed Coyote of his 2nd place by the smallest of margins.

Grats to Bill who made no mistakes and took full advantage of my lapse. Sorry ( well mild regrets  ::) to Coyote on that finish, and sorry too to Jose for my rejoin at Tarzan.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: senyorlobo on April 21, 2015, 07:13:33 PM +0100
Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_fm9PQ3dGSXY3ejBBVThocHYzVDZObHVPbnVZcUtJNFVtTF93RmthWVBvUTA/index.html)

Thanks mate!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 21, 2015, 07:54:59 PM +0100
Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_fm9PQ3dGSXY3ejBBVThocHYzVDZObHVPbnVZcUtJNFVtTF93RmthWVBvUTA/index.html)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - Zandvoort - Apr 20
Post by: Erling G-P on April 21, 2015, 08:02:50 PM +0100
That was probably the most intense race I've done yet!

Bill crept ahead at the start, and I slipped into 5th behind him.  That was upgraded to 3rd free of charge on lap 2, when Matt & Jose went off at the same time.

Every lap bar a couple where I got too close, was driven as hard as I could, but it was only enough to keep up with Bill (Jeez Bill, is one single mistake really too much to ask for ?  ;))

Jose was slowly reeling us in again, but then we happened upon a spun Clive.  That removed the threat from Jose, who unfortunately seemed to get a very raw deal from Clive's rejoining - and Bill and I were now fighting for the lead.  Clive was on the chase and slowly came closer.  He seemed to struggle through the corners (or is that just his driving style ?), which gave me hope.  Unfortunately, as the final portion of the final lap approached, he was too close, and down the straight the Merc definitely holds the advantage over the Healey.  Not much I could do to prevent him from passing, short of actively blocking his way, but that's not really my style.  Still, losing by a mere 4/100 of a sec, to your current worst competitor for the crown, is just..  :censored:

Grats to Bill G on a virtually flawless drive, and although I feel more like kicking him  ;), I guess I have to congratulate Clive too, on a well executed recovery!

Commiserations to Bill T & Tony, whom we lost. Tony, it looks decidedly weird in the replay (my own) - as if you're hitting an invisible wall and then suspended over the track  ???

Cheers,
Erling