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Title: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 09, 2014, 04:13:46 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=462&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 28

Track: Avus 1967 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_avus67)

Cars allowed: Aston Martin DBR1 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_aston_dbr1), Jaguar D-Type (1955 version only) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_jag_dtype), Mercedes 300SL (LM55) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_merc_300sl_lm55), Austin Healey 100 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_healey100s)

Drivers are reminded that they are limited to only three drives with each make. Check your status HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdEVuUlBIYzMzMXVxODFVVzg0OW5ZZVE&usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Autopit="0"
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If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Erling G-P on June 30, 2015, 11:55:39 AM +0100
Tony, Championship page looks screwy, with regards to drivers.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 30, 2015, 12:31:28 PM +0100
Thanks Erling. I'm looking into that now and will report back. I suspect I know what's happened.

EDIT: Now fixed  :sweatdrop:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: senyorlobo on July 01, 2015, 12:40:31 PM +0100
This monday it is the birthday of my wife, so .... no race for me this time.
If run my life would be at risk .. you know  ;)  :angel:.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: 55steve55 on July 01, 2015, 12:56:00 PM +0100
This monday it is the birthday of my wife, so .... no race for me this time.
If run my life would be at risk .. you know  ;)  :angel:.
I'm sure we all understand, Jose. We wouldn't want you absent at Road America due to a dislocated Thrustmaster :laugh: Our other halves should always be allowed to believe they are more important than GTL.

Fortunately my wife's birthday is on a Sunday this year.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: senyorlobo on July 01, 2015, 12:58:40 PM +0100

 Our other halves should always be allowed to believe they are more important than GTL.

Fortunately my wife's birthday is on a Sunday this year.

 :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bob M. on July 01, 2015, 02:26:27 PM +0100
As they say "Happy wife, Happy life".  I have tried to carry this out for almost 50 years with good success!

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: senyorlobo on July 01, 2015, 02:58:11 PM +0100
As they say "Happy wife, Happy life".  I have tried to carry this out for almost 50 years with good success!

Bob M.

Great advice, my friend!  ;)



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: BillThomas on July 01, 2015, 04:55:00 PM +0100
I too will be absent, off to IoW for some R&R for a week.  ;D

Will also miss the 13 July race as well.

Have a good race folks and best of luck all! :rockon:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 01, 2015, 06:28:14 PM +0100
Have a great time Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: BillThomas on July 01, 2015, 07:56:13 PM +0100
Have a great time Bill

Thanks Tony.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Erling G-P on July 01, 2015, 08:46:25 PM +0100
Have a great time Bill

Yes, hope you have a great time Bill.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 01, 2015, 09:01:41 PM +0100
Have fun Bill.

We can all think about you sunning yourself, as we blast down the endless Avus straights and forget to brake in time for either of the 2 corners on this track!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 01, 2015, 10:44:52 PM +0100
Have fun Bill.

We can all think about you sunning yourself, as we blast down the endless Avus straights and forget to brake in time for either of the 2 corners on this track!!

Is this one in GPL Clive?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: SpecialKS on July 02, 2015, 12:27:57 PM +0100
just for your information, guys:

AC Ace mod for GTL by DonPanoz released over at NoGrip:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435)

Can be used in the LM55 mod to compete with the Austin Healey 100S.

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 02, 2015, 12:35:33 PM +0100
Sweet, more cars for LM55  :yes:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: senyorlobo on July 02, 2015, 12:37:52 PM +0100
just for your information, guys:

AC Ace mod for GTL by DonPanoz released over at NoGrip:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435)

Can be used in the LM55 mod to compete with the Austin Healey 100S.

 8)

Thanks Kurt!

I love this cars!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 02, 2015, 01:23:19 PM +0100
Yes Tony we have this track in GPL.

But, there is a slight difference at the far end of the track where there is a slight right hand kink and a bump right on the braking zone for the hairpin and the entry to the banking has a notorious bump.

That bump into the banking is so severe, that if you have not got your ride height and suspension set up correctly and you are a fraction out on speed and line, then you will need to deploy your parachute as you descend to earth within the paddock area!!!  :scared:

This version, from the 3 laps that I did to prove I have it d/loaded correctly, is a pussycat in comparison!!! I'm guessing sub 2:00 laps are possible with some slipstreaming......if the engines don't over rev themselves??


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: hayman3131 on July 03, 2015, 11:53:19 AM +0100
Hi

2:00 or less?????????
heaven&hell..................I did 2:17.4xx with merc 300..............

greets hayman


Yes Tony we have this track in GPL.

But, there is a slight difference at the far end of the track where there is a slight right hand kink and a bump right on the braking zone for the hairpin and the entry to the banking has a notorious bump.

That bump into the banking is so severe, that if you have not got your ride height and suspension set up correctly and you are a fraction out on speed and line, then you will need to deploy your parachute as you descend to earth within the paddock area!!!  :scared:

This version, from the 3 laps that I did to prove I have it d/loaded correctly, is a pussycat in comparison!!! I'm guessing sub 2:00 laps are possible with some slipstreaming......if the engines don't over rev themselves??


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 03, 2015, 12:52:11 PM +0100
LOL Hayman. I did say "with slipstreaming"  !!!  I doubt that any of the cars will get down to 2:00 running solo, but 2 or 3 cars working the draft together might slingshot themselves to a much faster time. These straights are so long and the potential to gain bucket loads of time is there.

From my experience in GPL the biggest issue is braking for the first hairpin. The speeds around here are so high that even 0.5 secs later on the brakes will enable the driver to collect about 5 cars ahead and once contact is made, everyone becomes a passenger  ::) for the resulting crashfest.
Then there is always the guy who is convinced that he can brake later then everyone else........... and slots it down the inside to prove his skill, except that he drops one wheel onto the grass.................I think you get the picture??  :o

This could be entertaining


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 03, 2015, 12:56:43 PM +0100
And some of these cars don't do braking in a straight line. Fun indeed. Roll on a "normal" track  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 03, 2015, 07:49:30 PM +0100
just for your information, guys:

AC Ace mod for GTL by DonPanoz released over at NoGrip:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42435)

Can be used in the LM55 mod to compete with the Austin Healey 100S.

 8)

It's a bit slow. Hope it gets an update  :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2015, 06:35:22 PM +0100
I have turned cut detection OFF.

You can now drive thru the hay bales at the end of the 1st straight to take the sweeping turn right on to the 2nd straight.




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bill Grewcock on July 04, 2015, 07:39:29 PM +0100
This evening I joined the server in order to have a look at the sweeping turn at the end of the first straight and when I leave the pit I get an error message: Gamedata\Sim_GTC.gdb mismatch  ??? ... can anyone shed some light on this please ?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2015, 07:41:51 PM +0100
This evening I joined the server in order to have a look at the sweeping turn at the end of the first straight and when I leave the pit I get an error message: Gamedata\Sim_GTC.gdb mismatch  ??? ... can anyone shed some light on this please ?
Sorry Bill. That I think is down to me. I changed that file for a future mod we are planning to run and I hadn't foreseen this happening. I'll jump on the server now and undo it.

EDIT: Should be Ok now  :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bill Grewcock on July 04, 2015, 08:49:40 PM +0100
Thanks for the swift reply, Tony. Unfortunately it's still the same, Misnoimis was also on the server and saw the same mismatch.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: misnoimis on July 04, 2015, 08:59:07 PM +0100
Yep  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2015, 10:07:31 PM +0100
Hmmm that's odd. Let me look into this and I'll report back

EDIT: Let me know if it still happens now please.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bill Grewcock on July 05, 2015, 09:34:54 AM +0100
No mismatch now ... thank you Tony  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 05, 2015, 11:14:30 AM +0100
I have turned cut detection OFF.

You can now drive thru the hay bales at the end of the 1st straight to take the sweeping turn right on to the 2nd straight.




Before I make a huge mistake ( or several minor ones!!) and just so that I understand what is happening here.......

Working from my memory of the few laps that I did last week, are the haybales in question those around the OUTSIDE of the first hairpin?? I seem to recall a few on the left before the end of the armco rail, surely we cannot cut through the central reservation can we?????

If they are indeed the ones around the outside, I cannot see how hitting them incurs a "cut track" warning? Surely they are far enough away that the cars have acres of space to negotiate that corner?
Or am I totally missing the point here...which is entirely possible.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 05, 2015, 11:29:08 AM +0100
Point well missed. Let me help.

When you approach the end of the 1st straight you will see, on your right hand side a row of bales cutting of a sliproad. This sliproad provides an alternative route to join the return straight. It is a small straight then a slow turn left but you must be wary of cars coming from your left on the traditional route.

The displaced bales will fly all over the place but they do not damage your car if struck.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: SpecialKS on July 05, 2015, 12:17:32 PM +0100
If the weather stays as hot as at the moment (over 30° C in the computer's room) I'll miss this one
in order to prevent my old machine from damage   :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: 55steve55 on July 05, 2015, 04:43:23 PM +0100
If the weather stays as hot as at the moment (over 30° C in the computer's room) I'll miss this one
in order to prevent my old machine from damage   :-\

That's a real problem, Kurt.

I use a mains powered 23 watt fan directed at the laptop venting which stops any overheating. In fact, because my graphics card works at near max for GTL, I always use it regardless of the weather. Although my room is south facing, come racetime, the room temp has fortunately dropped.

If you do try a standalone fan, remember to keep all windows closed if the outside air temp is still high :laugh:

It would be a shame if you couldn't make it tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 05, 2015, 06:13:49 PM +0100
Point well missed. Let me help.

When you approach the end of the 1st straight you will see, on your right hand side a row of bales cutting of a sliproad. This sliproad provides an alternative route to join the return straight. It is a small straight then a slow turn left but you must be wary of cars coming from your left on the traditional route.

The displaced bales will fly all over the place but they do not damage your car if struck.

I was intrigued by this explanation and have just found time to try about 5 laps ( before the fun warden found me more urgent work to do!!), to get an idea of where this shortcut is... ::) . Just one question Tony, when the 2 options rejoin at the hairpin, who has priority?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 05, 2015, 06:22:40 PM +0100
Just one question Tony, when the 2 options rejoin at the hairpin, who has priority?

The one called Claude


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Ati7 on July 05, 2015, 07:09:18 PM +0100
Good track.I think,close lap times tomorrow  ;) Jaguar and Mercedes lap time 2.14.xxx,,Aston Martin and Austin Healey slower.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Ati7 on July 06, 2015, 08:51:34 PM +0100
Very sorry Clive,bad luck  :( too hot in the house,I could not concentrate.See you next time.(next two races I do not have,family holidays) Sorry,google translator  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 06, 2015, 09:16:12 PM +0100
No problem Ati7, I saw you move to the inside just as I was about to turn in...Racing Incident. Just sorry that it ended your race Ati7

I was literally holding my breath at the ist hairpin on lap 1 where the annual  convention of the Kamikaze Pilots reunion appeared to be taking place!! lol
I aborted my turn in twice to allow projectiles ( they were so fast I could not be sure that they were cars!!) to zip up the inside and test the haybales. Very sporting of whoever it was to sacrifice themselves that way  ::)
2 laps later I was really cheesed off to have made a mistake like I did coming off the banking, and end up parked in the stands. I knew that I had a 2:08 lap in the car, even without slipstream, if I could just hook it up. maybe i was pushing just a fraction too hard to get away from BillG behind and I paid the price. I'm actually not sure that my right leg would have lasted the race as I was already feeling the early stages of cramp during qually and was switching my left foot onto the gas pedal down the straights....hmm left braking I have heard of, but left foot accelerating??  :o

Grat to all those who finish.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: phspok on July 06, 2015, 09:35:36 PM +0100
That was a comedy of errors:

1: When the race started it put me in the pits! huh? so ran through the pits and got going with everyone long gone down the road.
2: Had a wobbly trying too hard to catch up off thebanking which did some damage, and the engine would not do full revs anymore.
3: Hit misniomis (I think) coming off the banking as he was recovering, I went right he read it wrong and also went right... Bang
so went in the pits for a stop and go, but pits were in auto mode and when I hit return (foolishly) it fixed a,, the bodywork, tyres/.fuel
127 sec pitstop, but the engine still was not hitting top revs
4: managed to catch the limping Coyote, only to then stuff it at the hairpin and let him through as I was too busy trying to work out
who i could see in front.

Good fun amyways  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bill Grewcock on July 06, 2015, 09:38:36 PM +0100
For such an apparently straightforward track Avus turned out to be very tricky indeed. The start of the race was a bit of a lottery with much wheelspin combined with someone having a slow start (not me for a change  :P) and I gained a place heading off along the 1st straight. I managed to put my right-hand wheels on the grass while slipstreamimg Ati (mucho panic  :o) and Erling nipped up the inside then missed his braking point. I was back into P3 along the 2nd straight then Ati had a big shunt and I was in P2 behind Clive. On the next lap Clive did a Space Shuttle impersonation and I inherited the lead with Tony and Hayman following. I was able to steadily increase the gap to P2 and so I managed to begin braking a bit early for each turn and then had a fairly lonely run to the chequered flag.
Congrats to all finishers (especially Bob in the Aston) ... that was a real test of concentration  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 06, 2015, 09:51:01 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.

Remember if you want to race this track again next season you need to vote for it here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13094.msg236005#msg236005)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: misnoimis on July 06, 2015, 10:05:16 PM +0100
First race for a few weeks for me. I set the car up for top speed, not corners or acceleration. It was certainly strong on the straights but very slow to pick up speed and slow in the bends. It made for an interesting race with lots of overtaking and being overtaken. Then I tried a different line on the banked bend to see if it was quicker. Not a good idea, I went to the top and had to tiptoe round losing a lot of time. Was getting my head down to try to close up on the cars that passed me but got the exit from the banking slightly wrong and was slow onto the straight. I was accelerating hard but got clipped from behind by someone who had obviously made a good exit. This sent me spinning into the Armco and somersaulting through the air. :eek: I landed on my wheels I think so started to accelerate but immediately realised I was driving the wrong way on the wrong side of the track. Lucky no one was coming. I span it round and had to do part of the track again. The car seemed to drive O K but lost its speed. In fact it was just over 10 mph slower on the straights so I had no chance of catching anyone up. At least it was still running. Nice to do some sim-racing again and with no P C or controller problems, only driver ones (me).
 
Congrats to podiums and all.:clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Erling G-P on July 06, 2015, 10:06:58 PM +0100
Had a foreboding about this race, which sadly became all too real  :(

In offline praccy, I had done a 2:10.8 kamikaze lap, bouncing off the walls of Tony's alternate route at the hairpin, and a 2:10.9 clean lap.  That looked good compared to the few published times in the forum, so a sobering experience to come online and find myself midfield, with several drivers in the 2:09s.

Went back to the regular route round the hairpin, as it was much easier braking on the tarmac in a straight line, rather than on the concrete (or whatever it is), having to change direction simultaneously.  Some miracle clearly happened in qual, when after dumping a load of fuel, I managed a low 2:09 and ran away with pole  :o

Made a dreadful start, losing 3 places.  Was so easy to start the Jag at Grenzlandring, but not here. Reclaimed one place from Bill as he described, but then the close proximity of the other cars distracted me enough to miss my braking point, and I ploughed hard into the barrier.  Rejoined in 9th.

Made up some places and was in 5th at the end of L2, but then happened upon the rejoining Clive, as I was coming out of the banked curve.  Did not expect a stationary car there, and by the time I had realised what was happening in front of me, I couldn't do anything to avoid a collision; sorry Clive  :(
Both our cars were catapulted over the wall.  Amazingly mine was still running, and by driving along the wall, crossing a bridge and barging through a fence, I was able to rejoin; now very much in last place, except for poor Clive, apparently stuck in the grandstands.

Car wouldn't reach its top speed anymore, and I could only do 2:20 laps. Expected repairs to take a long time, but still went into the pits to check after a number of laps - not much to lose really.  Amazed to see that it was only body damage and would take a mere 21 secs to fix.  Cursing myself for not pitting right away, as that would have saved me 30-40 secs.  Except it wouldn't have...  Car was exactly as slow as before, so repairs didn't help.

Kept plugging on, to scrape a few points home, and did cash in on others misfortune, to finish 7th I believe - after a small battle with Matt in another damaged car.

Grats to the podium and thanks to Tony for an unusual track selection.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: 55steve55 on July 06, 2015, 11:33:20 PM +0100
I agree, Bill. For such a "straightforward" track, it still had the knack of wearing down my concentration.

Pre-race nerves, yes I will admit to them, :scared: made me decide to start at the back (again) - so was surprised to see you, Matt, in my mirrors about 1/2 a lap into the race, having been unfairly "awarded" an early free pitstop.

I started passing quite a few cars in unusual off-track positions and worked my way up to 5th, thinking " I musn't do what they've just done etc" over and over in my mind. Paranoia eventually got the better of me and i started overthinking the basics, resulting in some barrier bashing (not losing any places) to completing a triple salchow somersault off the wire netting on the exit to the banking, this time being passed by about 4 cars and dropping back to 9th.

Managed to pull myself together for the remainder of the race with the only human contact being Bill lapping me with a few laps to go. Others misfortunes meant I gained places again and was pleased to finish this time (no fuel blunders) and in 5th place.

Well done Bill. You even sounded faster than all the others when passing you on the straights. Well driven Hayman for your 3rd P2 and a great effort Bob for outsmarting most of us Jag drivers.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: chmichel on July 07, 2015, 06:34:08 AM +0100
Had a fairly good start, on an unusual track, I thought it might be a boring race but it turned out to be a kind of a comic one, seeing cars flying all over the track

After the banking on the Starting lane I saw Clive and Erling I guess up in the air so I passed them happily, and after a few fights with the guys in front then on lap 10 or 11  I saw Tony spinning at the start of the brick banking so i passed him and and got P3 for a while and then one lap later I hit a wall and got a front left puncture so while trying to reach the pits I hit the rail and jumped to the inside where i found myself stuck without being able to rejoin the track again !

It was really frustrating to see u all racing and me just watching from the center of the track  ::)

Congrats to the podium finishers and Thanks again Tony for the track choice

Hope to see u all in the next race




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: EvilClive on July 07, 2015, 09:43:24 AM +0100
Still coming to terms with my inept display last night, when I felt that I had a shot at the podium.

Particularly ironic that it was Erling that was involved in my rejoin  :-\ The top 2 drivers in the table? what are the chances??
As I was rejoining, I knew it was going to be risky with cars coming off the banking at escape velocity, but I was at a standstill and had no choice but to just nail the gas and go, sitting there was not a better option. I guess I must have appeared to stationary to Erling, but I can assure you that I was under max acceleration for a good 2-3 secs before we took our seats in the stands!!

My 2 short test runs in previous days confirmed that the layout was much as I expected from GPL experience and I only got down to some serious lapping 30 mins before joining the server last night.
The only car for this track had to be the Jag with the superior top speed and such long straights ( although I still get worried when I see the red rev limit light come on halfway down a straight and get the urge to back off and protect the engine!!). The setup evolved around getting the absolute max top speed and sacrificing as little of that as possible for stability under braking for the 1st hairpin.
I soon discovered that the optional route was too risky with a car that objected to directional input under brakes, and that it was up to 1.5 secs faster to brake a fraction early and flick the ass around the armco with a dab of power to aim the car back up the next straight, then nail the gas. Not sure if it was my imagination but the tarmac of the road appeared to give more grip than the wide concrete apron?? and I was able to be more aggressive with the gas?
After about 10 laps running solo off line I was getting low 2:09's and with a slight change in approach to the banking I stuck in 2 mid 2:08's on race fuel.
Like Erling I had read the forum and projected 2:14's??  ahem... a little sandbagging from Ati I suspect ::).

Once on the server I wanted to pick up a good slipstream and see how that affected speed and braking distances before the race started, and with a quick calculation I reckon that with cars in the right place and hitting all my brake points etc a sub 2:06 was possible.  Unfortunately, a) I never caught cars at the right place and b) someone moved my brake markers!!. In fact I resorted to counting the seconds after a particular tree before downshifting for the kink before the banking...how desperate is that??!!

Pole would have been nice, but frankly no-one was going to escape from the pack on lap 1 with all of that slipstream, so I was content to be on the front row, intending to sit behind Erling for a lap or two until the dust settled.
But, when he was still drinking his coffee and eating his bun as the flag dropped, and I pulled a couple of seconds lead straight off the line, I did try to break away early.......no chance LOL the pack were all over me on the approach to the hairpin.
The aforementioned Kamikaze Brigade did their thing and Ati slipped around the inside to take the lead back up towards the banking. I picked up the draft and it was too easy to pass...so I did. Maybe had I been more patient there would not have been the contact that put Ati out as we turned towards the banking.  :-\.

That contact slowed me enough for Bill G to get close and I could do nothing about the gap or slipstream that he had until we reached the hairpin. The car slipped around there really well and I pulled a few tenths.......maybe I can get clear of the slipstream zone if I push to the max for a few laps??
Well all of that came to nothing as I left the banking and clipped the very end of the fencing.
In my defence, my virtual mirror which is central on the top of the screen effectively obscured the exit from the banking in cockpit view, and I was aiming the car at where I thought the gap was long before I could actually see the road to the finish line. :(

Grat to all who survived a "simple" circuit and to a great 3rd place in the Aston Martin!!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: SpecialKS on July 07, 2015, 10:17:51 AM +0100
Didn't expect to see the chequered flag. Had only one reasonably satisfying lap during free practice,
all other laps included at least one fault.

So I started from 11th spot and surprisingly found myself running in 4th position after lap 1 or 2.
Then I had some minor faults, damaged the car's aerodynamics and dropped to last place during the race
as my car could just reach a maximum speed between 130 and 140 mph (about 175 mph during the
opening laps of the race, when I reached a new pb of 2:13).
However I decided against a pit stop but was hoping not to drop to last spot  :(

Close competition on top of the championship  :o

Results to be posted tonight when I'm at home.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 07, 2015, 12:05:58 PM +0100
How much concentration do you need for a track with only three turns? Answer = A lot!

After the initial lap I found myself high up the order and soon had third place sorted. Lot's of dicing with Hayman where we would draft passed each other for lap after lap. Then he had a bad off and damaged his car as he was a bit slower so I managed to pull away. I was in 2nd place now but had no hope of catching nitrous Bill so just kept my eyes on the track. Still managed to miss my braking point for the only right hander and hit the wall hard. My car was in the air for an eternity and eventualy came back down to earth. Now I was down 10mph on my previous top speed and had dropped to 5th (I think?). Managed to make up one place but no more than that as the guys in front were many seconds ahead of me. So just settled down and bought the car home. Happy to finish 4th but looking forward to a proper race track (Monza) which is next.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Erling G-P on July 07, 2015, 12:14:11 PM +0100
I soon discovered that the optional route was too risky with a car that objected to directional input under brakes, and that it was up to 1.5 secs faster to brake a fraction early and flick the ass around the armco with a dab of power to aim the car back up the next straight, then nail the gas. Not sure if it was my imagination but the tarmac of the road appeared to give more grip than the wide concrete apron?? and I was able to be more aggressive with the gas?

I think you're correct about the better grip.  I fiddled with my brake balance shortly before the race.  Found I could shift it backwards a fair bit, with the vintage tyres I was on.  I could definitely brake later on the tarmac than on the concrete, although not quite as late as I (inadvertently) tried on L1...  ::)

Truly bad luck that we should collide.  I could see that your car was moving, but with the speed with which I was approaching, it might as well have been stationary. With the reluctance of the Jag with regards to both braking and changing direction (even worse on vintage), I was powerless to avoid it (if only I had spotted you earlier..  :'( )

However I decided against a pit stop but was hoping not to drop to last spot  :(

Probably a wise decision Kurt. I seemed to have the same problem as you, but pit repairs didn't help one bit, so just a waste of time.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Ati7 on July 07, 2015, 01:42:53 PM +0100
 "2:14's??  ahem... a little sandbagging from Ati I suspect" Yes,only a few test.Very surprised laptime.... :o And very grats Bob,great accomplishment.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Bob M. on July 07, 2015, 03:07:02 PM +0100
Thanks for the "atta boy's" guys.  I just did my thing and drove the track as best I could.  The AM is much more stable than the Jag so I thought before the race that 3 or 4 would crash out.  I also was fortunate to have Jags pass me on the straights and I could snag a draft off them.  The corners was where the AM really shined though.  At the hair pin I could outbrake the Jags and sneak close to the armco and whip it around. Then while the Jags were chugging with the 4 speed the AM would pull away even more.  At the banking end right hander I only had to lift for a second and nail it, go to the far right even into the concrete pad along side the track.  Crank it left and she just drifted around no problem all the while at full throttle. At the apex of the bank drop to 4th gear and power away. Scuffed the wall slightly at both ends but no harm done to the car.  Good track for these old cars and has my vote for next season!

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: SpecialKS on July 07, 2015, 09:03:28 PM +0100
Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_fkdCOE1oUUJXeFpCV1N5ZnZVbG1jaVhaWG5QTUd5dVo1eEF4djlHdkxhakE?ltmpl
/index.html)

Late, but not too late  ::)



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 07, 2015, 10:49:56 PM +0100
Never too late Kurt, thank you.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 15 Fifties Sprints - AVUS - Jul 6
Post by: 55steve55 on July 08, 2015, 01:32:24 PM +0100
Yep, no worries about timing Kurt.