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Welcome to the S27 F2 Championship - Round 8 - Tulln Langenlebarn

Round 7 of the Formula 2 Trophy, we go to Austria. The military Airport Langenlebarn/Tulln (German: Militärflugplatz Langenlebarn/Tulln) was located 4 kilometres (2 mi) east-southeast of Tulln, Lower Austria. In 1967 the F2 race of the European Championship was won by Jochen Rindt, 2nd Jack Brabham. Jim Clark was also on the grid. Beware of the bumpy straights...

There will be no handicaps this season but, much like the 67-based series, tokens will be used!

Matra MS7 FVA :       16 tokens
Matra MS5 FVA :       14 tokens
Brabham BT23 FVA : 14 tokens
Lola T100 FVA :        14 tokens
Lotus 48 FVA :         14 tokens
Lotus 41B FVA:        12 tokens
McLaren M4A FVA :   12 tokens
Protos 16 FVA :        10 tokens
Lola T100 BMW :      10 tokens
Cooper T84 FVA :      6 tokens
Ferrari 166 :              3 tokens
Brabham BT14 LF :    0 tokens

Please check the Season 27 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=448&theme=6) regarding rules and the Formula 2 Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=455&theme=6) pages in particular.

There will be two championships - Lights and Heavies (for slower drivers) who will contest separate championships but sometimes on the same grid.

You have ONE SHIFT-R with a Stop n Go of 0 seconds!
Only Reported incidents moderated outside the Red Zone
Full moderation of lap one Red Zone

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8 for the heavy brigade - IP address TBC
Server = UKGPL_9 for the light brigade - IP address 37.157.48.87
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Track =  Tulln (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Tulln Langenlebarn/)
Race length = ~40min -> 36 laps
Race date = Sunday 16-11-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Qualifying time = 45 - 30 minutes
Race time = ~21:30 UK time
Red Zone = full first lap.
Replays = you get here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/F2s/)

Please restrict chat to only urgent messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave a full (19 driver) server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please ensure you have enough tokens in your bank to be able to take the desired chassis!

Good luck all!

This track is nuts on the main straight, so bumpy in any gear. I predict a high rate of attrition...

I'm just glad to click off another rank track.... shame they didn't have Osterreichring yet built! That and Nurbs would really spice up the F2 rank a bit, IMO. But I can drive Nurbs in this mod  :laugh:

EDIT: But clearly I can't drive an extremely bumpy Tulln  :o Now that I remember reading about this track, really, it should have been re-released, as the layout was altered, not to mention bumps added and bales being mere images for some.. Kyalami pit barrier is a moot point now!

Loving the hay bales made from re cycled house bricks  ;D

Well that was just generally silly.....I saw so many bumps and mistakes. Anyone who make it through this one deserves a medal.

Two people who in my book should not be queuing up for medals are Greg and Doni. At the end of Lap 2 Greg made a crazy lunge/outbraked himself and took me out. Doni was about 4 cars behind and probably couldn't do anything about hitting me. The first time. As we both moved away he made a bee line for the apex, from the outside of the track - I feel he had to know I was there and as such did not leave me any rooom, contacted with me, and I got spun and hit and spun and hit again.

I played on for a few laps, but I was clearly not in the mood after that, made too many errors and ended up a lap behind. Just gave up after a while....

bah humbug...

Arf

Sorry, Arf...  Don't know what you're talking about as I had so many incidents in this crazy, wild event.  I'll check the replay and see if I can find this.  If I've savaged you, my profound apologies.  Only after the race did it become known to me that there may be an updated '.trk' file for this circuit that alters some aspects.  I saw people driving thru the outer string of haybales exiting the last corner with not the slightest impediment.  There may be other conflicts.  This may account to some degree for our clash, Arf.  Will investigate...

Grats to Dave on the win!  :)

Just looked at the Lap02 business, Arf.  Can't say that you have anything to gripe about concerning me.  I was rather busy recovering after cuffing your tail and didn't see that you were on my left.  I had no idea that you were there.

Someone who does have cause to complain is Rog.  Sorry for the Lap07 butt-ram going into the hairpin, bud.  Clearly got that wrong.  I'm off to see the headmaster.

I have no idea how I got to P3 after a messy quali with P10 on the grid, then getting involved in both lap 1 shunts ánd spinning on the pit straight! But can't complain :D .

Grats Dave for a fine win and Dean for P2! Also grats all finishers, this was a tough one.

I just pulled down and installed the track from the link posted by Cookie in the lead.  Not the same animal that I drove at all.  All manner of changes that I wasn't aware of including the considerable number and severity of bumps on the main straight and the altered final corner haybale arrangement.

Not watched any replays yet , though I did note there was some comments about backmarkers being a problem in post race chat . for the record , I d/l the light version of the track , gave it a spin to check all was OK ,  then I  added the track updates , I then found the bumpiness of the updated version so bad it hurt my eyes when going down the straights , so went back the "light" version which I found much more pleasant to drive .

 It wasn't until race time when cars began lapping ,me that I noticed several times they were disappearing through the haybales , so definately some anomalies exist between the two track layouts , weather this was the reason for the poor backmarker performance mentioned or not , who knows ? but thought it worth a mention .

Thought the track was a bit dull as most of these flat airfield circuits tend to be by nature , but being short it did make for some exciting racing , (not that I did much  ) . Absolutely tons of space here , so don't quite understand why backmarkers were a problem .

As usual these days , I was way off the pace , can't get into some of these mods , maybe there just a bit to fast for an old timer like me  ::)

Grats to the podium and all who survived to the finish . 

I also saw several racers going through the haybales.
That was not the case for me, and also not the case for Dean.
So final result is better in this way.

With the updated version, I think we can go faster for 0,5 sec in this part of the track. I don't know if there are other changes between the 2 versions.

Yes, I had several troubles to overtake some backmarkers when they were not giving space at the braking point and stayed at the apex of the turn. That was the case with you, Bernie, and I spun 2 times trying to overtake you.
I was following Dean when it happened but then I loose contact.
It seems Dean also had troubles with backmarkers ...and maybe an accident forced him to do a SnG.
But he did a great performance with the Cooper.

I made several training with different cars, Cooper was too slow for me, Protos quick but unpredictable ...McLaren was just perfect !     

Had bad start missed gears, lucky missed the mayhem at turn one, was shunted off several times early race, and noticed cars going through hay bales, lap 26 did a bad rejoin and took Iestyn out Sorry Iestyn, most of race tried to stay out of way of faster drivers kept to right hand side on straight and tight into turn one.

Grats to Rainier on win
Grats to Podium

Started with somenthing strange,my best lap was around 1,18 when in my test around 1,10 was possible for me.
Left the qualy and a check on GEM have revealed that the 60fps was again active.
Without i regain my time but despite this my car is always slower on the straight,there is something in my gas pedal (electrical signal)that i'm not able to fix.

I apologize Axel and Arf. I made mistakes. I didn't expect Axel to be so slow exiting T2. When I bumped you, I was still waiting to apply the throttle. Usually by that point I was back at full throttle. That was a bad misjudgement on my part. :( Arf, I can understand you being angry with me. I missed my braking point. I wasn't trying to pass you. I knew I was going to run into the back of you so I went right hoping it would buy me more time to get the car slowed. There was no room to the left. You might ought to be glad I didn't stick you between two hay bales like I did Axel? There was no malice on my part, just errors.

I'm also a cheater? I used the old tulln.dat. I tried the updated dat after the race to see the differences. The old dat is a little faster. Mainly in sector 2 and 3. I can take a wider line at the end of the start-finish straight, carrying more speed through T1 and higher speed approaching T2. I could also carry more speed onto the pit straight and a higher speed at the end of the pit straight. The braking for T1 is easier with the old dat. The turn before the pit straight is easier with the old dat too. The new dat seems to be wider through the final hay bales thus giving you a straighter line onto the start-finish straight. The only advantage of the new dat. I never could get a good run on Piero on the straight because of that. If you're viewing the replay using the old dat, the drivers using the new dat will pass through the bales on the left in the final turn and they will bounce around a lot more on the straight. If you're viewing with the new dat, the drivers using the old dat will pass through the hay bales and cones on the left side at the end of the start-finish straight. I wonder if the differences in dats helped caused me so many problems when approaching cars before the final turn and the turn after the pits? I had trouble with both those turns almost if not every time I closed on a car before those two turns. There is an advantage using the old dat. It may not be much faster on PB's but it is definitely easier to be consistent.

I think the old dat is about .5 seconds faster. My PB with the old dat is 5.94 and after 3 qualifying runs with the new dat, I did 6.38. I was conservative in qualifying, thinking I might be cheating. 5.7 appeared to be possible just by running a good lap. I think I can actually break 5.5 on the old dat without a tow. I don't see myself getting much under 6 with the new dat. Before I had to reset, I had my ideal lap down to 5.11 and the car was just starting to really go fast. Late in the race with a good tow, I thought I might approach Tristan's Rank time.

Congratulations Dave, Dean, and Tommie! I thought Dean would surely win after I got stuck on a hay bale and had to reset and stop-and-go. The second half of the race I spun too many times on my own trying to push as hard as possible to try to catch the leaders. Good job guys, but you did got lucky I wasn't able to get in the lead and open a gap. The race would have been rather easy for me after that.

Overall, it was a rather embarrassing and poor drive on my part. I don't know if I've ever had so much trouble following other cars. I suspect the difference in dats played a small part if not more. I'm ashamed I ruined Axel and Arf's race. I guess I should have bumped Piero off entering the final turn on lap 1 instead of going into the hay bales. The incident that led to all the trouble I caused on lap 2. I likely would have cut the number of cars I hit in half and been more likely to win.

Thanks guys.

Grats to Dave, Dean and Tom.

Not for one minute suggesting the result should not stand but I wonder if the moderation team will be scrutinising the incident packed start and corner cutting going on last night with the same zeal they have shown elsewhere  ::)

Tough one for everybody. Well done again to the podium boys and better luck next time everyone else. See you all at the next one.

Greg (and Doni). I didn't post out of anger, just commented on my race. I don't regard either of you as unfair racers, quite the opposite, so I'm sure it was a genuine mistake (Greg, Doni I'll review in light of your comments and see what I think, when I get a chance). I may still choose to submit a report for either of course....

As with your own comments, I was more disappointed with my own performance than anyone else's. I'm getting so little track time at the moment, it is difficult to be consistent (OK, more difficult than normal...). I am away with work so much atm (USA three times in last 7 weeks, and weekly visits to Netherlands in between...) that I am not getting the time to fix my G25 gear stick, which means that I am using the paddle shifters for the first time (not a fan of it, never mind it is so not 1960's...). At least Sundays race is a track I don't have to learn!

Well done to Dave R for the win. Nice to see a different winner!

Arf

David I have watched my replay and can see @ 21:30 where you spin out ( sorry but can't see how my driving caused your spin ?  ) I kept to the right ( off the racing line ) and took a tight line through the corner , not sure what else I could have done there to prevent your spin , my apologies if there was some other incident elsewhere , not an easy track for us backmarkers , seemed like blue flags being waved at every corner . I find  it is very difficult when 2/3 or more cars are approaching into a corner to decide what best way to react , sometimes find it best to just carry on at normal speed then lift off slightly along the next straight , but that isnt always possible when you have a series of corners with little or no straight in between .  

No problem Bernie !

I won, that's enough for me ...I have already forgotten all the incidents during the race  ;D

Bravo David!  There were some very quick drivers behind you. Well done  :clap:

Didn't feel too well and decided to take the BT14 just to get some pts. Didn't like the track as well and expected a lot of wrecking. This came true. For me this race was a nightmare, starting at T1...highlights were pulling off an "Alonso" on Jethro once and a risky pass outside Fran, lapping him. An attempt earlier on Fran I wrecked myself and Ray couldn't avoid me, sorry. Especially here the BT14 was ridiculously slow, stop & go track. At a fluent track you can compensate better with it keeping momentum...

With the lack of attrition had to settle for P9.

It's great to see David win, but also felt for Dean who lead for a long time. Also well done Tommie, and finishers :)

I also think the old version is a little faster. I tried the new version but was having dreadfull frame rates so put the original light 3do over the top. So I had the worst case scenario of the bumps AND the haybales, although I was able to drive through them :D . The light 3do fixed my framerates so decided to stick with it anyway despite knowing my trk and 3do would probably not match up, resulting in me driving through things, or worse, hitting invisible things. Thankfully I didn't hit any unvisible things but was able to drive through things ;D . I found out later the old version is a bit faster, but I suspected it all through the race, so decided not to go crazy and push too hard in an effort to make up for the time lost driving the track update. Besides, I think the bumps are pretty cool and make the whole deal a bit more realistic :) .

I'm quite proud of my Häkkinen pass on Marco involving a backmarker going into the last turn at about lap 7 or 8 ;D . Unfortunately I then spun the following lap trying to break the tow so all was for naught.

The old track was probably about 0.75 faster than the new one.. :-\, although I could give more data when I try the old one for rank. I can only imagine this is a moderator's nightmare. But the less said about my driving, the better  :-[. Really, this revision should have been released as a new track for the F2 rank. Hindsight is a wonderful thing :-X!

PS. Grats to everyone that did well amongst the crisis!  8)

Just wondering what happened to the thread for the Norisring round. I have some apologies for clumsiness to convey to various people.

Last week noticed the thread was gone. Not sure what happened, I made a post in the mods forum but not sure if the thread can be retrieved or so...

Ok, then, right here will have to do. Where to start? Oh, hey, how about Lap 1? Yeah, that'll do...

Lap 1: Got myself semi-backwards and just about stopped in Duts Dutzeed Dutzendkvjhsreg the 2nd last corner, causing many to take avoiding actions. Thankfully nothing too serious developed, and thanks Cookie for giving me a tap to get me headed back in the right direction.

Lap 7: Sorry to Rog for clumsy in hairpin.

Lap 9: Sorry to Rog for clumsy in corner after hairpin.

Then I fell back in the field and decided to bother amuse Bernie for a while, and so:

Laps 11 and 27: Sorry Bernie for clumsies in hairpin.

And there were dozens of other moments in the race where I wasn't as smooth or predictable (major keys to avoiding contact in online races) as I prefer to be. Anyone whom I may have interfered with at those points, my apologies to you, too.

Retirement happened shortly after. Should have gotten more practice for this one (as, going in, I still had an extremely unlikely outside shot at the title).

So Monaco next? Oh piffling joy...  :P