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Season 27 Historic Trophy - Round 8 - Zeltweg

The 8th race finds us in Zeltweg. Zeltweg - the original Österreichring.

Originally built in 1969 to replace the bland and bumpy Zeltweg Airfield circuit, the track was known for being very fast, as every corner was a fast sweeper and taken in no lower than 3rd gear in a 5-speed gearbox and 4th in a 6-speed gearbox.  There are also noticeable changes in elevation during the course of a lap which means the downhill sections are even faster. Like most fast circuits it was a hard circuit on engines and even harder on tyres simply because the speeds were so consistently high.


There will be full moderation of lap one Red Zone and reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.


The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.

For THIS RACE, 2 liter cars must be selected

As with Round 7, the leaders are asked to restrict themselves to Group I and Group II.

Handicapping could well make a difference here but so far it does not seem to affect the leaders too adversely and the restrictions stay the same. Could make a difference here though.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL9
IP address = 37.157.48.87
Race date = Tuesday 18-11-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zeltweg (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/tracks/zeltweg71/)
Race length = ~ 50 Mins -> 24 Laps
RED ZONE = to the exit of Schikane
Variant = 1966
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Historics/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=457&theme=6)

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated. The Red Zone will be from the start to to the exit of the Schikane. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Thanks for sorting this, I was *just* drafting the post.... :)

Sorry boys - been away unexpectedly. Back in harness now. Thanks for posting this.

Too bad we can't drive the 3 litre beasts. On the other hand, we might be up for some pack racing in the draft, online racing in optima forma! We'll see :) .

Indeed, I guess it was 3 litres here or at Sebring, but there's also the consideration of what would be more interesting or provide better racing at both  :P

UKGPL9 is set for 24 laps Long and listening on iGOR, I'll attempt to run some practice for this event this afternoon.

Usually, for Historic Trophy, we drive 3 lt cars on quick tracks and 2 lt. on slow tracks.
For next seasons, it could be sometimes interesting to change this rule.

It could be fun to drive a 3lt Honda or Brabham Repco on Laguna Seca or Monaco (or Tulln) and a Lotus 33 climax on Reims or Monza !   

I still don't understand why it's not mixed up, like we intended the mod to be :) .

It would be fun to compete in an Eagle Weslake or McLaren at a fast track against 2 litre opposition, or in a Ferrari 312 against 2 litres at Monaco. I think the Friday series 69-X races in the past have shown the speed differential can be big, but not dangerous.

Hi,

can i already join this race ?
Should be 10 p.m European Time

Regards, Bastian

Hello Bastian, welcome! :)

I have processed all your registrations, you can see the password now. You can join tonight, there are 12 full time drivers, and 13 reserves. Note that reserves officially have to leave the server with 35 minutes to go, in order to let all full time drivers join. With 30 minutes to go you can (re)join the server.

Enjoy your stay at UKGPL! And don't hesitate to ask questions in the forum or PM a moderator. ;)

thanks robert. i will read the rules now and join. The cars are still not so clear for me. what about the group I to III ? Can i take all of these ?

Thanks in advance

Welcome on board bagrupp and good luck tonight.

You may drive any car out of the list on the following page, they are posted below for convenience:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=457&theme=6 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=457&theme=6)

2 Litre Cars

Group I   
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM

Group III
Ferrari 246    
Brabham BT11 BRM    
BRM P261    
Brabham BT11 2.7lt               

If I do the Historics again next season I may well mix them up....

Hmm - not goig to include the Brabham though. Made up two places off the line, changed to fourth and the engine blew... DRAT AND DOUBLE DRAT

Come on guys you just have to laugh sometimes :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

With Tristan surviving, GPL once again shows its cruel sense of justice  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

However, good luck to him and all who are still running.

By my count, there were 8 left after lap 1, gotta love Tristan for causing that mayhem and getting away scot free......

My poor driving does not deserve excuses. The rear-end of Cookie's car was completely unintentional but I needed to have gone slower into that corner to have stood half a chance of surviving the wreckage. I nearly made it, had he not spun it round and waited 4 seconds for me to go past I might have made it. As it stood, that killed the engine's power, so vital to this track, and I pootled round doing 1:59s within 1 tenth, until the BRM pistons finally freed themselves and it died in the Bosch curve.

I might go back to setting the servers instead of racing on them...

That's the first and last time I use one of those red things LOL. They are not reliable on lap 1 obviously!!
Thought that as I was well down the table, I might give the fezza a try on such a fast circuit and leave my trusty Brab BRM 2 ltr in the garage.

Yes Ronnie you have to laugh at GPL... I saw Tris catch the knobbles and swing across the track so I tightened my line slightly and aimed for a huge gap on the inside of that crest.. But they saw me coming and several cars rushed back across the track to do half a pit stop on me. Well they took off 2 wheels pretty damned quickly and then failed to replace them with the same haste!!!  :-\

Cool!! Would be awesome :) .

You didn't miss much though. Or actually, maybe you missed a lot ;D .

It didn't turn out into a pack race...

Sorry Jethro, was my fault, as I thought there is enough room left ::)

We ran 2L and 3L cars together in Season 15 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=77&theme=6) when the Mod first came out.  From Season 16 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=192&theme=6) onwards we introduced the split because there were too many accidents caused by the different braking performances.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try it again but we would need to be careful when we select the tracks.

Didn't want to cut off Tristan on Lap 1 in Dr. Tiroch Kurve...when I noticed he was there (didn't expect him in the middle of the corner) I did adjust my line but it was already too late...half the field gone  :'(

Then wondered in the race if it was my fault (if I had cut off Tris), lost focus and put it in the wall with my thoughts going away. Apart from some nice racing with Tristan, Bastian (two wide through whole Dr. Tiroch Kurve!) and others I drove like a clown for most of the race...just didn't have the focus to stay consistent, but managed at least not to hit anyone...

Maybe it's best for me to retire, or at least take a break...  :-X

Thanks for the nice welcome guys. very close field and many participants. nice. I had a good race start with just a small spin in the start accident after a hit from behind and i was soon 3rd. I overtook to second but saw approaching Robert and tris. Couldnt hold them, i knew, but in slipstream we really went side by side through tiroch, very nice. the next corner my race was over (nearly) missed braking point and hit the rails with the rear.Suspension or tires or both was quite damaged. Nearly didnt work out a lap with spin but in the end it was possible to do 1:56:6. hope the lapping was ok for you.

See you soon again,
Bastian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkoJyh0UTUI

I'm car #3.  At least, it felt like it!

Congrats to Deaner on a solid win!  Good pace and consistency in a creditable drive.  Full marks.

Kudos to both Tristan and Robert for scoring podium finishes after...ahem, ahem...adventurous drives.  :)  Great fun watching the replay cap of your battle after things had finally settled down a bit.

And speaking of battles...  Andreas and I had a fierce duel for near-on the entire race.  The implications of the finishing order were uppermost on my mind as I currently hold down P2 in the standings but AG is P3 and is gradually chipping away at my points lead.  We lapped in close order from the BIG SHUNT onwards with only a small gap between us.  His 2-litre Lotus had the upper hand on my Eagle but I was able to comfortably run in his slipstream.  I made a couple of passes but was immediately gunned down on the straight following.  It was going to take a critical error from Andreas to make the difference and he didn't make one.  Solid drive, AG, and a real treat to race with you.  :)

So sorry to see that fully seven cars were eliminated in that MEGA SHUNT.  Great debut, Bastian!  Grats!

HI :)

well...well...well...at the entry of the curve Rob is inside and not on the good line ......then I know that I can cross our lines
if he goes wild.....and it's normaly happend, Rob spinn a little and go on the exterior of the racing line then I cross to the apex....but I saw Rob who retake the good line...we are side by side and I 'm affraid of a contact and go more inside ....and find this stupids knobbles who let me go in a incontrolable rock and roll suicide !....you know about the rest of the scene.....sorry for that guys !....I wanted to avoid a contact and the result is a carnage   :/

....and by I don't know whitch miracle.....I go alive of that.....and have a good race and top battle whith Rob ( thx mate !) .....in the end , not so bad the eagle T1F ;)

well done Dean and lucky finishers.........   bad luck for the others....racing is sometime very frustrative ....

thx org. and see you all next one :)

So... that was unexpected.  :D

Started off quite poorly in qual. I've been using Imola setups (with reversed cambers) for Zelt, but the Brab just did not respond as well as other chassis I've done that with. Tried a few tweaks, but no improvement, so with 15 minutes left to go, I pretty much resigned myself to backmarker status, hoping to pick up a few places through consistency, and went outside for a smoke.

Came back in, had 5 minutes left, so fueled up for race distance and headed out to see what I'd be dealing with, and on the one timed lap I squeezed in at the end, I knocked 0.8 off my previous low-fuel run. Still 1.9 off the fast guys, but maybe I could snag a midfield finish?

Decent start, everyone was nice and clean through T1, harassed Bernie a bit on the run down to Tiroch, tried an outside move as he seemed to be leaving room there, but had a tiny contact. Looking at the replay, I was too low, so contact was my fault. Sorry about that, BD. But on the bright side, that slowed us _just_ enough that there was a gap in the melee ahead that we both squeezed through.

Got past Bernie, and Prib showed me in P2 at the end of lap 1. Things were looking a bit better, but my car was not behaving as it had in qual, which made for some nervous times as I tried to compensate for the damage due to the contact with Bernie. Then there was a red car stationary in Tiroch, that I thought at first was a left-over from the previous carnage, but turned out to be Rob (that must have been agonizing sitting there waiting for a clear gap to get going again, very sporting of him!).

So I'm in P1 now, with a bit of a gap, and a car that I still don't know what it's doing!! Soldier on, let's see what develops...and somehow break into the 1:50s on the third lap!?

Watching Prib (love the straights here, gave me time to glance up and strategize), I see Rob and Tris working their ways back up through the field, and do some quick math to figure out when they're going to catch me. Lap 7 or 8 I finally realize I'm looking at a podium, so maybe if I push just a bit harder...

Now doing high 49s, car still isn't "comfortable", but hey, speed is better than happy at the racetrack! Get down to a 49.6, start scaring myself a bit, and don't want to throw away what I have got now, so settle in and wait for the R&T show to inevitably appear in my mirrors in the closing stages.

But, that didn't happen. Gap stabilized at about 12-14 seconds, they must have been squabbling just enough to slow them down from catching me. Only able to relax (somewhat! car still nervous) in the final 10 laps, and so so happy to see the chequers.

Yeah, that was an intensive battle. Enjoyed it very much!  ;)
Congratulations to the Podium!

A belated congratulations to Dean for his well deserved win!

Was very disappointed with my own driving that night, and left the server frustrated...hope I will enjoy the racing a bit more in the future ;)

For the next one  (SEBRING) we race on 3 liters and the leaders are restricted to group 1 & 2 .............so I can drive the group 1 and 2 ....or only the 1 ...?

Still? Sebring and Watkins need attention as well, thanks.

Only 18 months late, but moderation published.... ::)

Thanks Jethro!