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Title: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 04, 2014, 11:20:04 PM +0000
Season 27 Professionals Trophy –Zandvoort

It would have been the closing race of Season 27, apart from the re-run of East London so don’t forget to turn up for that. Zandvoort is an original Papyrus track featuring changes in gradient & camber through the sand dunes. All of the corners have names with at least 25 letters. The first one is called “Tarzan” – because this sound is often heard from the late breakers -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = TBA
Race date = Tuesday 09-12-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zandvoort
Race length = 33 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Championship table can be found here Professionals Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=450&theme=6)

Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Pros/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this race, the red zone will be from the start until the Hondenvlak corner.
Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Turkey Machine on December 09, 2014, 10:52:47 PM +0000
One to forget for me. Time to source a new wheel methinks, and possibly a new computer to play this on, as this is getting a bit silly with the frame skipping.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 10, 2014, 12:22:56 AM +0000
Glad to win my home race. Race was rather uneventful, from the start never looked back and drove away from the rest.

Sadly had a moment with Norm lapping him towards the end. Hoped you would see me and let me by on the straight. To me you slowed too much on the racing line before Tarzan and then couldn't avoid you, even when I already lifted 25m-50m earlier than normal. Maybe you wanted to let me by at the inside, not sure, fact is I got caught out. IMO it's never a good idea to try to let ppl by into corners, try to do it out of corners and straights...glad we both could continue and finish ;)

Had cold feet left without central heating, but apart from the lap with Norm and the last lap when I let Jethro unlap himself (both 30s), this was a superconsistent race for me, always low 28 or high 27. Setup was awesome, tweaked a Steve Cloyd. Lower tirepressures, slightly taller gearings for race and other strg ratio.

Well done Clive and Axel, who had  a great fight, and finishers. Tough luck retirements...

As East London is a re-run (which I forgot), the championship is still wide open. Sorry for Uli's mechanical bad luck though...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: DLogan on December 10, 2014, 01:22:07 AM +0000
...possibly a new computer to play this on, as this is getting a bit silly with the frame skipping.

What are your system specs? The 65 mod at Zandvoort shouldn't give anyone on a post-2000 machine grief.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: NHance on December 10, 2014, 10:57:11 AM +0000
Its bad enough being in an accident but taking out the local hero when he was leading would have meant I wouldn't leave Holland alive ;). Sorry Rob. Yes I did slow to let you past & was relieved you won. After my performance at Dundrod I decided to give myself a self imposed back of the grid start & see if I could hang on. I couldn't. The one race where hardly anyone dropped out, just my luck ;D. Did not drive defensively at all so Andy, FMG, Ronnie passed me into turn one after offs I assume  & Jethro, I think, 3 times!! (he kept crashing at T1) which made the incident with Rob so disappointing. First time this season I had no offs, no drama at all, just not fast enough. Well done the podium finishers.

Norm H



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: MagicArsouille on December 10, 2014, 11:17:36 AM +0000
if somebody find a wheel in the sand.......it's my front left wheel...... :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: EvilClive on December 10, 2014, 01:16:10 PM +0000
 A strange race for me.

Arrived late on the server and just selected the Brabham and a setup from the list.  For some reason my display had reverted to 800x600 and had all the settings for "Training mode"!!
So I quit and went looking for the reason.

Re joined the server and re-set to Pro level and drove out of the pits. The gears seemed way out I was not able to get out of 4th gear on the straight??  the next few laps were spent trying to get the ratios right....really puzzled as to why they should be so wrong on an existing setup??

Then with the end of qually I had to guess at an adjustment for 2nd gear before the start. I was way back in 9th place on the grid and about 1.5 secs off the pace.  The first lap proved that second gear was still too high and 1st was too low!! so the hairpins were a real problem as the car bogged down on the exits. The big plus was that the handling through the back of the circuit was great and I could make up time there.

I picked up places as cars in front had "incidents" and made a pass or two into Tarzan until I was up to 4th but with Robert,Uli and Tris way ahead.

Then I passed a slow Ferrari and it was Uli in trouble, hard luck Uli.  Axel was hunting me down and slowly getting closer especially into Tarzan where he was taking huge chunks out of my lead, but I could just stretch the gap around the back of the track and get enough space to protect my place into Tarzan on the next lap. Each lap was a struggle to maintain the gap and Axel was determined to take my 3rd place.

With about 10 laps to go I thought that I had just about eased enough of a gap to be able to hold Axel off until the flag...then we came across Tristan!!! sideways across the track and still moving after an off :scared: :scared: I had no choice but to drive up the grass bank and hope that I could keep control and get back onto the tarmac before the next corner!!!

How I kept the car going in the right direction I don't know, but I lost my hard one lead over Axel and it was another session of hard laps before I could ease away again.

I had to take a defensive line down the inside into Tarzan on a couple of occasions and I was glad that Zandvoort really has only one passing place, other wise Axel might well have made things difficult for me.

I was still struggling with that 2nd gear and now had an overheating front left tyre, something that I rarely suffer with as the race ended.

Grats to Robert on a dominant win.

It was only after the race ended that I discovered that I had loaded an F2 brab setup!!! which explains why the gearing was all wrong...but I need to look at the chassis setup because the handling was almost perfect  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 10, 2014, 02:47:09 PM +0000
Its bad enough being in an accident but taking out the local hero when he was leading would have meant I wouldn't leave Holland alive ;). Sorry Rob. Yes I did slow to let you past & was relieved you won.

Appreciate it Norm, I'm sorry too and I'm glad you could finish as well. ;) Thanks all for racing and see you at East London for the final conclusion! :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Cookie on December 10, 2014, 04:16:33 PM +0000
Grats to Robert for his home win!
Sorry for Uli to loose in such a race the engine...

Yeah that, was a hard fight, after I had a wobble out of T1L1, I had to regain lots of places until I had Jethro and Clive fighting in my sight.
Jethro spun and I was hunting Clive alone.
I had two self inflicted handicaps, my 5th gear was too short (had forgotten to make it longer after quali!) so I could not really use Clives slipstream and my LF was overheating whenever I pushed harder...
When the hairy spin of Tris made Clive go into the gras I did not use my chance to pass, I did not want to profit from such a situation ;)
So I was happy with my 3rd place and was ;D after the race.   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Turkey Machine on December 10, 2014, 07:45:45 PM +0000
...possibly a new computer to play this on, as this is getting a bit silly with the frame skipping.

What are your system specs? The 65 mod at Zandvoort shouldn't give anyone on a post-2000 machine grief.

Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop with 2GB RAM.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: DLogan on December 10, 2014, 10:14:52 PM +0000
...Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop with 2GB RAM.

Hmmm... razzinfrazzinfruzzin laptops  grrrr....

Sorry, desktop chauvinism showing there.  ;)

Anyhoo, I assume you've done all the common tips & tricks, ie. disable all power saving features, tweak GPU (anti-aliasing, anistropic filtering, etc.)? There might be threads at SRMZ to help. I use nVidia, and there's an aftermarket utility called nVidia Inspector that gives a lot more control than the stock nVidia one. I'm sure there's an equivalent for ATi gear, though how much an onboard GPU will gain from it, dunno. Worth checking at least, imo.

Good luck with it, and let us know if you find anything good. Others may benefit, as well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: uli on December 10, 2014, 10:18:53 PM +0000
Congratulation Robert to your dominate win on your home race. Shame that I had this bloody tech rob because I often made my holidays in Schoorl naturally with a visit in Zandvoort, even saw there three F1 Races, so it is a bit my second home race  ;), congratulation to Clive and Axel fine, close fight the whole race!
Exhaust manifold (Krümmer) defect in lap 7 – I‘m still a bit frustrated, that was not the kind of season final I had hope for. Second time after Dundrod I didn‘t finish …
GRATS to your hotlap Robert. At the end of first lap Tris attack me with help of a fine slipstream and made fantastic overtaking maneuver on the outside of the Tarzan – GRATS to you Tristan. After a few laps I recognize that I could go faster but I want to go carefully, want not risk my engine but it didn't work :( …
It‘s time to leave Ferrari, want a car to finish with every race …
That was a very close championship!!!
THX to you all. Have a good time hope we meet next season again.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 10, 2014, 11:24:10 PM +0000
Thanks Uli, hated to see you retire.

But....don't forget (I also forgot before, when I congratulated you for c'ship after Dundrod) we still have a East-London rerun which is yet to be scheduled (hopefully soon). TBH I'd hate to miss a chance on a championship because a race hasn't been run. More than half the field discoed at the same time and it was red-flagged. ;)

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12618.15


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: FullMetalGasket on December 12, 2014, 04:50:34 PM +0000
I can't complain at my finishing position after my trip into the sand dunes on lap 1 - I still don't know if I was crowded off avoiding a car next to me or if I crowded myself off imagining there was a car next to me....
Either way I dropped to dead last on the first lap and spent the rest of the race fighting my way back up the order as a result. I think this must have been an old setup based on the Toe settings so I know it wasn't as fast as it could have been, but was good fun anyway.

Sorry to Dean again, it may have just been lag but I'd still rather not have knocked you off at Tarzan  :ninja:

...possibly a new computer to play this on, as this is getting a bit silly with the frame skipping.

What are your system specs? The 65 mod at Zandvoort shouldn't give anyone on a post-2000 machine grief.

Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop with 2GB RAM.

Check you don't have VSync turned on. I forgot about this when I started racing again at the start of the season and was having horrific frame rate issues for the first few races.
Baring in mind I now use a 4Ghz i7 with 12Gb of ram and a monster GFX card (brought about by the fact I have Project CARS naturally ;) )

After disabling Vsync it's run faultlessly as you'd expect! As Dean says though I would still expect my old Desktop in the loft to run a 65 race at Zandy, and that was last used in about 2004!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: DLogan on December 12, 2014, 07:48:30 PM +0000
...Sorry to Dean again, it may have just been lag but I'd still rather not have knocked you off at Tarzan  :ninja:...

We all know that's a bad place to be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNg6IvrIHbk#t=87.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Turkey Machine on December 13, 2014, 12:29:47 PM +0000
...possibly a new computer to play this on, as this is getting a bit silly with the frame skipping.

What are your system specs? The 65 mod at Zandvoort shouldn't give anyone on a post-2000 machine grief.

Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop with 2GB RAM.

Check you don't have VSync turned on. I forgot about this when I started racing again at the start of the season and was having horrific frame rate issues for the first few races.
Baring in mind I now use a 4Ghz i7 with 12Gb of ram and a monster GFX card (brought about by the fact I have Project CARS naturally ;) )

After disabling Vsync it's run faultlessly as you'd expect! As Dean says though I would still expect my old Desktop in the loft to run a 65 race at Zandy, and that was last used in about 2004!

Thanks, GEM+ showed VSync already disabled, the ATI Catalyst now has that off.

Am going to test the memory and HDD and see what happens.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: GregT on December 13, 2014, 05:30:30 PM +0000
If you're not using Vsync, you don't need triple buffering either.

I use vsync and triple buffering when I patch for 60fps and I scale back the antialiasing and anisotropic filtering.

I turn off the clouds, crowds, and racing groove in my mirrors.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: uli on December 14, 2014, 07:03:17 PM +0000
Very, very sad – shame to hear – but for me the season is over – looks like I’m in holiday from the 20th to the 10th of January  :D
Maybe in Tuitjenhorn not very far away from Zandvoort  :)
So make it Robert – the title is yours – good luck to you! :thumbup2:

My Opinion to race repeatitions is different to the league admins. I would only allow it after a mass collision in the first lap with more than 50% out. Technical probs are racing – I know how hard it is not only after Dundrod.  :'(  ;) As I already said the Discos at East and Dundrod don‘t needed to be happen because I made a lot of races on these tracks with out any probs to anyone!?!? But shit happend …

Anyway, dosen‘t matter, let‘s have fun on track again next season  ;D

Nice Story at the end: Three days a go I was invited to take part on the betatesting race of the new Spa67 circuit! Great honor to me. Unbelievable track graphic!  :D Finest GPL Circuit I ever saw – best graphic, really great and big fun to drive! Much different to the papy Spa. The trailer headline: One mistake could kill – get it to the point! You can feel it. :o Only five corners won‘t go flat – one of them, Eau Rouge is much slower and very tricky.

Wish you all a happy new year.
uli




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Ronniepeterson on December 14, 2014, 08:06:08 PM +0000
Great driving from you this season Uli, as always, so its a shame if you cannot make the re-run at East London. See you next season.

Merry Xmas and Happy new year.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 14, 2014, 08:24:56 PM +0000
Sorry to hear Uli. I haven't won it yet, need to make at least half distance, but I will race to win and not play safe...anything can happen ;)

The events at East London were unfortunate, it was just after Lap 2, when 7 out of 12 discoed at the same time. Billy announced already after the race it would be a rerun, but I also forgot about it...

Have a great holiday, and hope to see you at the tracks next season! ;)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 29, 2014, 11:30:46 PM +0000
Mod report published - not very interesting.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Dec 9
Post by: bernie on December 30, 2014, 04:10:31 PM +0000
Mod report published - not very interesting.

Just to be seasonal I fixed that for you  :)

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No reported incidents & no red nose incidents.