SimRacing.org.uk

Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 ( 19 laps)
Cars allowed: Shelby Cobra 427 and 289 (any). Shelby Daytona.  Lotus Elan. Porche 914 and IROC, De Tomaso Pantera Stock. Ferrari 275 Speciale.
Track: Rouen 55-70 ftp://phspok.dyndns-web.com/SRou_GTR2_Rouen_1.0.2.0.exe (ftp://phspok.dyndns-web.com/P&G/SRou_GTR2_Rouen_1.0.2.0.exe)Download and install this
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk GT
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=467&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v3.1 from:  http://www.gtlw.co.uk
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

The championship standings link is currently hooked up to last season's results.

Fixed.

Thanks Tony, I thought I had sorted them all.  :thumbup1:

Well I still can't find the Cobra 475!   ::)

Sigh, you are such a fusspot  :angel:

pfff, this week i am away for a business trip. Will miss next weeks race also due to work. Not funny. You guys have fun!
Cheers

It's looking unlikely I'll be able to make this race & I already know I'll be AWOL the following week  :(

Looks like me & a few Soggies again then.  ::)

Thanks for the heads up guys so I don't fret so much  ;D
I can do this one ! and next week !, err then I'm in Southampton for the week....

If Geoffers is going to be as fast as he was at Daytona I might not turn up  ;)

Chortle, there is a chance of a good mix of cars here perhaps? I hope so.  ::)

No chance, I don't get on with the fastest car, the Daytona Coupe, so it will probably be the Ferrari for me, although I may just have a steady trundle round in the IROC!  ;)

Best news I've had in weeks!!!

Good news Clive, I had an intensive test session with the Daytona Coupe last night & eventually got a setup that I'm reasonably happy with. Still probably be lucky to see the chequered flag though.  ::)

Oh dear!
To be honest, I'm not getting on too well with the Daytona either.  :(

I can't download the track - the link in the first post seems to lead nowhere. Any alternatives?

It's the Virtua_LM one, which I think is this:
http://downloads.gamers-crib.com/Sim%20Racing/GTR2/Tracks/VLM_Rouen_GTR2_V1_02.exe

Hopefully GC won't mind.

Sorry, broken link fixed now

Thanks chaps, got it now.

Well I didn't see the chequered flag!  ::) Made a mess of the first lap, went off 3 times, settled down a bit & picked off a few of the slower cars. Then after about 12 laps I got a bit bored of driving carefully & started pressing on a bit, inevitably this led to more 'offs' & eventually a big smack-up which finished the car.

Congrats to the finishers, cya all at Snetterton.

Results a bit slow in coming up.   ::)

FlaminNora! .. cough
Results and Replay Posted

Shame Dana dropped, we could have some fun at the tail end  :(

Only of your idea of fun is watching me careen off into a barrier.  :-[ I was running decent mid-pack laptimes in offline practice but just couldn't get the car to behave once I joined the server and decided to sit this one out rather than wreck myself and potentially others.

That didn't stop Geoffers   ;D  Well, it did in the end.

But others have said that the car they have on-line has been totally different in feel to the one they have practiced with off-line.  Good idea to run as much practice time on the server as possible.  Even running in a USA time zone you will probably find Federico in there.   ::)  Wonder why he's so damn quick?

Click HERE (http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/PnG/Rouen70Rep/index.html) for Analyser Report.

It is unusual for me (and some others) to not have an off or two during a race
I bent the steering twice last night, had to wait at one time to let people past before
i could get going again, and was even slower afterwards, I managed to keep ahead of
Frex in his Elan, but couldn't make any impression on Swifty in the Ferri
I probably should have taken the Daytona and would no doubt have been faster
but I wanted to vary the field a bit, I am never competing for the lead with the faster
drivers we have, so mid pack is where the fun is for me.

Amazing that a 427 was 2nd and 3rd. I tried the rancid heap and couldn't get out of the 16s.

I decided to start in 2nd as I am prone to do but when the chap in front of me didn't move with the lights I found myself going backwards at an alarming rate. I made it past a Ferrari at the end of lap 1 and then I got past Evil after he'd taken to the grass. I figured I'd be able to catch and pass my bruvver as he was driving the 427 monster but the ratbag just pulled away from me.

My race was not about catching Clive L it was about desperately trying to stay ahead of EC. Every time I thought I'd got away from him he suddenly arrived back on my boot. A couple of times I thought he'd get me but each time either he got a bit sideways or I managed to put a few decent corners together. On the penultimate lap he was only half a second back and I was preparing myself for a pretty torrid last lap. Then relief, I saw him spin at the end of the main straight and that was me for a gentle toddle round the last lap to 4th.

Rouen exposes my weakness at slow corners. I'm much more at home hammering through a corner like eau rouge than I am driving round a simple 2nd gear 90 degree bend. And as for hairpins, I'm hopeless at them.

Happy with 4th though and pleased to see a few more people came out to play

Was lonely in third, had a brain freeze and slid backwards along the rail, that dropped me down to 8. So hoping for a bit more action this time, but alas no. All who I got close to decided to crash. So again lonely, but this time in 6th place. Evil did give me a glimmer of hope with his sudden drop in time, but not enough laps in it to do anything about it.

Dana, please don't worry about being less than perfect around us guys, if you had seen my first few PnG race last year you would know what I mean  :-\.
You would not believe how badly wrong some of us can be in the heat of battle  ::). We know that drivers do not deliberately throw themselves into the armco ( well I have my doubts about one or two individuals, but I'm saying nothing!). Just join in and have some fun.  ;D

Still don't believe how fast those 427's are being driven, I obviously need to get some instruction from somewhere!!!    ??? Grats to Federico, John and Clive.

Simon's tardy exit from the grid was an opportunity to gain a place, only to be passed by some lunatic in a Fezza...must have been a hairdresser on speed I think.  ::) I was hoping that the Daytona would have more grunt than the 275 when we unleashed the horses and sure enough I just breezed past up the back straight.
With cold tyres, I was not keen to examine the limits of adhesion too early, but when Simon eased past Jester and started closing on me I had to up my pace a little and I paid the price by running wide and bouncing along the grass.....rats!!!!
The rest of the race was great fun trying to regain that place.
I think there was something in the setup ( or maybe the car #??) that made the difference. Because there were certainly areas where I could take 0.5 secs out of any lead that Simon had, but on the straights even with slipstream Simon could ease away again, which was extremely frustrating!!!!
Mid race I held back to save some rubber for the last lap banzai move, and to allow me to see the apexes clearly and not bounce over the inner kerbs!!
With 4 laps to go I put the hammer down and got back onto Simon's bootlid. Managed to keep the gap small enough to close under braking for Sciere, hoping to stay close enough to pounce at Six Freres on the last lap.
A perfect plan...badly executed!! I ran wide and span 180 deg at Sciere. Simon was long gone before I recovered.
So for the last lap I thought why not go for a PB and threw caution to the wind along with any sense of control. 2 spins later and I could see Jester in my mirrors, but about 3 secs back, so I cruised it carefully to the flag.


A great race with Simon and I'm still in awe of those 427 times at the front.
What setup did you use Simon? was it Stig's offering?

It was good to see Erik having an outing last night and even better to see Simon in my mirrors.  ;D The icing on the cake was to see that Evil was giving him a hard time, thus stopping him from getting near me!  (Team Orders)

I made a fair start and gained a place when Geoffers did the decent thing and threw his Daytona at the grass bank.  With the tyres still cold, I had a Ferrari sniffing about coming out of Sanson but stayed right and offered him the grass and once I had taken the 427 down the straight once then Ferraris were not going to be a threat unless I made a big error.

When Erik binned it I was on my tod in third with the Simon/EvilC duo about six seconds behind me.  Perfect for Rouen in the 427 as the beast was always trying to get out from underneath me and I just didn't want anyone complicating things!  Great respect for what John was able to do with the beast.  :thumbup1:

At about mid-race the tyres seemed to reach a stage that I liked and I was able to pull a slightly bigger gap over Simon, which was a great comfort.

Congratulations to Federico and John.  Also Well done to the massed ranks of Soggies who filled 2nd to 6th. :jumpjoy:

Something tells me that my lead in this series could not have much longer to run.  

One of the Daytonas has no rear wing, and is more slidey, but has a bit more top end speed.

I think that is #10.  I tried it at Spa and couldn't keep it shiny side up for more than half a lap!

Just after you got past me for the second time I had a bad lap with 2 silly spins and lost half a minute. Without that we could maybe have seen more of eachother during the race. The early laps were fun, shame it got a bit lonely after that.

Congrats podium.

Oh, I'll certainly put in more online practice and stick around next time! Yesterday's race was a car I kinda hate on a dull track so once my setup and driving weren't clicking online, I knew there was no joy to be had. I'll be back and better prepared next week, though!

Hello everyone,
Tough qualifying I could not improve my time, but I managed to get pole :angel:.

The start to the race and 'was good but slow for the first few laps on cold tires was nightmarish ???.
Why John always managed to recover despite the speed of daytona.
After 10 laps mistake on the curve immediately after arrival and I spun and John goes, I can not hit the barriers and resume the race.
I can take it back and start a great battle of overtaking and controsorpassi (sorry John but to curb the Daytona looked like a boat :-[).
Eventually John comets an error and can not escape :o.

Good race despite the short workout :).

Congratulations to John to stay smpre near and far thanks to dubbed choirs.

See you next week, work permitting >:( !!

Hello

Home grown for Spa with a bit of tweaking to fit Rouen.

Over 14 years racing an FF2000 has left me hard wired in a way that tends not to suit PnG to be honest, that's why I end up having to grow my own setups. I'll never be very quick in PnG as a result.

I'm going to use this every time I say goodbye to someone from now on  ;D

I often find that the grip level in practice is so low as to be completely useless.  I spent most of the practice time off-line, chasing a 2:10 TT lap from John, and only joined the server with about twenty minutes practice remaining.  This doesn't help to build the PnG community as the practice time is the only chance to indulge in a bit of banter but I felt that these cars needed special attention, just to keep them on the grey bit!

Just curious:
If Rouen, which is some peoples' fave track is "dull" what tracks would be interesting?.
I like to know these things so I can plan future events.

I think the "best" tracks in terms of racing, to some extents, depends on the number of cars/spread of ability on the grid and the length of the lap. 5 cars at Le Mans or the Nordschiefe would be very lonely and boring, but 20 cars around Mallory Park is bound to be eventful.

Sometimes it is the very tracks that look to have a "simple" layout that seem to generate some great racing.

I can't comment about PnG races/tracks as I don't have enough experience, but in GPL there are tracks like Goodwood, Silverstone 67, Zolder that create great racing. IMHO it is those tracks that are just long enough to spread the field out, but where they have more than 2 obvious passing opportunities.
A place where the following car can get some slipstream and where braking points and/or carrying speed through corners is important.

I like Zandvoort 67 but there is only a single passing place into Tarzan, unless the car ahead makes a big mistake. In that regard it is on a par with Monaco. You can be a second a lap faster around both of those tracks but if the car in front is defensive you will not get past. So is it exciting to tailgate a car for 20 laps hoping for a chance to pass, or is it better to have multiple passes and swapping of positions all through the grid?

Just my thoughts.

I think Rouen could be satisfying while fighting for position but, other than the leadup to the hairpin, it's a series of long straight>turn>long straight combinations that don't add up to a satisfying rhythm for me. That same overall feel is why Road America is my least favorite of the popular american tracks. On the other hand, I like the old Sebring, Daytona, and Silverstone layouts that are similarly laid out except that they string together some good sets of turns and tend to carry more speed through their self-contained corners.

For the overpowered gripless GTs used in these rounds, I think Kyalami and Spa were good choices that I wish I could have run. Otherwise, I think Riverside, old Road Atlanta, Mid Ohio, Oulton, and the tracks EvilClive mentioned are satisfying for anything with more power than grip. 

Well in the 427, I thought that Rouen was far from boring.  The last thing that I wanted was a close battle with another car, as I was having that with the track already!  I can't think of a corner that wasn't a potential site to bin it.

Even the straights were an event!

I concur about the rythm of a track, and I also agree with track length helping depending on the number of cars.
This particular series is "sort of" following the 1967 F1 series as far as the tracks go. So I'm not picking them by what I
feel about them, it's just a historical thing, and the tracks are preset.
We will be doing all (I think) of the tracks that were in GPL rather than the actual '67 f1 season which used Le Mans Buggatti
I believe rather than Rouen.
Personally Rouen has aways been a favourite of mine from GPL days, as are most of them.
I never really gelled with Monza, though it was at one time the most popular for open GPL races.

The other series have some sort of a theme as well. The BHC is all UK tracks, from different eras
with a mix of cars. The "World Series" is a sort of US based series for V8s that will also run at some
Aussie and NZ circuits. the LCC is there just to annoy people like Clive (non evil one)  ::)
and uses two car sets, often just two cars, as in "Limited car Choice", and has a simple handicap system
to try to make the top 3 drivers work harder for a win. There are lots of other options that could be used
but I have only limited time for the testing, so have to keep things relatively simple.

Bit of a belated race report - I was away on holiday early Friday morning so spent most of Thursday night after the race packing!

The Cobra was a real challenge round here, but lots of fun. Can't remember much of the start, but I think it was Geoffers who got in front for a few corners. After he went wide I was back up to second, chasing Federico...and that's how it stayed for most of the race. The Daytona was better out of the slow corners and on the straights, but the Cobra had the edge through some of the fast corners and was much better on the brakes. It made for some great racing. I was never quite get close enough to make a move into the hairpin and Federico was always gone by the end of the fast corner onto the back straight. I'd claw it back under braking at the end of the straight and then again through the first corner. Managed to get alongside a few times at this point and we'd be side-by-by side for the first sector, but I couldn't make it stick and he'd be ahead again after the hairpin.

About halfway through the race Federico made a mistake and I was able to get ahead, but I pushed too hard trying to make a gap and got it a bit sideways and he was able to catch back up and pass on the straight. The tyres were starting to go off by this point and it got harder and harder to get the power down cleanly. It got a bit too much with a few laps to go and I left the track and spent what felt like an age trying to get it straight before rejoining >:( Federico was long gone by this time and, try as I might, I wasn't able to close back up.

Grats on the win, Federico - great racing :thumbup1: