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Title: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 15, 2014, 01:19:33 AM +0000
Season 27 Historic Trophy - Round 10 - Watkins Glen

The season comes to close at Watkins Glen. This is the Papyrus original track, well known to us all. Tristan has already done enough to claim the championship but the runner up is wide open.

There will be full moderation of lap one Red Zone and reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.

For THIS RACE, 2 liter cars must be selected

As with prior rounds, the leaders are asked to restrict themselves to Group I and Group II.

MagicArsouille               Group I
Doni Yourth and Dean Logan   Group II

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL9
IP address = 37.157.48.87
Race date = Tuesday 16-12-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Watkins Glen
Race length = ~ 50 Mins -> 43 Laps
Variant = 1966
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Historics/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=457&theme=6)

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated. The Red Zone will be from the start to to the exit of the Loop . Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: AnGex on December 15, 2014, 02:44:31 PM +0000
Wasn´t it 3 liters last time? Thought the smaller cars are on the run this time... ???   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: maddog on December 15, 2014, 05:27:39 PM +0000
Maybe everyone should break the rule, and drive the expected 2 litre cars.  It seems the fashionable thing to do. ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 15, 2014, 05:41:55 PM +0000
Yes, we have to run 2 liter cars. As per rules we run 5 3L races and 5 2L races in a Season. Have edited the racepost and have corrected the initial Historics Registration post in Announcements section.

Sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: AnGex on December 15, 2014, 06:23:08 PM +0000
Well, well, well...So it´s clear now and I was not spending my time in the wrong car while I was at practice in the US of A.
Thanks for the clarification!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 15, 2014, 10:12:08 PM +0000
I was under the impression that this was a 3L race, but can confirn it is the turn of the 2L cars.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Thanks Andreas.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: bernie on December 16, 2014, 09:34:58 PM +0000
not even 1/2 a lap before I got the BRM -  Reliant conversion  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 16, 2014, 09:39:42 PM +0000
Another very short race ended in someone else's accident. 66's have not been kind to me this season. Que sera.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 16, 2014, 09:49:57 PM +0000
Race started fun at the front, lost the lead to Tommie who was on fire, and when I conceded to Tristan in the Big Bend lost it and spun...few laps later lost focus and forgot to slow enough in the Loop...might have been too aggressive in quali, sorry...wanted to improve the time, as there still was 3 tenths in it with tow...could have been a real blast all the way but I enjoyed the first 6-7 laps anyhow... :)

Anyway car was too much on the edge, very fast, but very hard to hang on...good luck to those still running ;)

Not my season as well in Historics, 5 unforced errors mostly on Lap 1....



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: EvilClive on December 16, 2014, 10:29:49 PM +0000
Before the press start speculating that Blue Moose racing use team orders to artificially adjust the results.......  :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

The official line from HQ is

"perhaps!"


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Tom van Ostade on December 16, 2014, 10:54:50 PM +0000
Woohoo! Great stuff, 3rd win this season if you count all championships, but of course 1 was pure luck. Although I suppose you must have some if you want to win!

I picked the BRM as I thought it would be the most powerful 2 litre car, coupled with a 1965 setup I'd just found in the archives :) . Took a couple of laps to get up to speed as I didn't have any praccy beforehand, but was pleased to see a 1:08.3 early on despite the wrong gear settings. Tinkered with the gearing some more until it was right and managed to grab P2 at the very end of quali with a 1:07.92. Well pleased as quali is usually my weak point.

At the start of the race I tried to take it easy, as suspected my car was much faster on the straights but I didn't want to cause an early race mass shunt like the last time around at Zeltweg, also considering my lack of practice. However Tristan was putting a lot of pressure on and by lap 6 or 7 I figured the field would be strung out enough to start battling a little bit. Because of the weakness of the Climax I could just blast by Robert on the straight, but was worried how much pressure he could apply to me in the draft. Surprisingly I soon found Tristan in my mirrors instead of Rob, perhaps still hindered by the Climax engine. Tristan was going great in the bored out '65 Climax Lotus, which also lacks some HP compared to the BRM, and eventually managed to take the lead from me. We battled on for several laps, Tristan being superior in the corners and me being faster on the straights, untill he appeared to have been caught out by something as I suddenly saw him driving on the grass in my mirrors. I didn't see Tristan again but Jethro appeared in my mirrors instead, having catched up. For some laps he was able to pressurize me, until he took the lead at The Loop. Now the roles were reversed and I started putting pressure on him, until he had a big slide coming out of the last corner, allowing me to regain the lead. From that point on he just kept piling on the pressure, going side-by-side multiple times. Unfortunately one of those time Dave R. happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and a collision ensued from which I was lucky to escape. I then had a little gap and despite Jethro giving his all and coming ever closer yet again, I managed to salvage first place at the checkered! Great race, glad I didn't hit anybody despite my lack of practice, and gave the establishment a good run for their money ;D .

Also grats to Doni for P3! Have to look at the replay but must've been an exiting race!

Also grats all finishers!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Robert Fleurke on December 16, 2014, 11:20:53 PM +0000
Congrats Tommie, very well deserved! You're a real natural racer driving with the head, you show a lot of class and respect, always fun to race with you 8) Also great job Jethro and nice FL, and Doni for podium! :)

Tristan thoroughly deserved the championship, weird enough his first after several times being bridesmaid  :-* Exciting finish to the season with Dean clinching second in the points, just before his compatriot and archrival Doni. Great job guys, very consistent and rocksolid season by both of you, Dean with a win and multiple podiums for both as well!  8) I'm particularly pleased for Doni, my former teamboss in oAo ;)

Andreas was very unlucky though, but also well done to you over the whole season.

Thanks to Paul and Jethro modding the Historics, and Axel for always having his server available for online testing as well. Thanks to all drivers for racing. Won't do a full season next year, but might attend some races...it's for sure a fun mod, that I need to discover more...(I did sign up as a reserve in this year's 65 Pro, and made most races ;))


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Rainier on December 17, 2014, 11:40:22 AM +0000
Unfortunately one of those time Dave R. happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and a collision ensued from which I was lucky to escape.

Sorry to Jethro. Hopefully he was able to continue and it seems his car was not affected by this collision.

I thought it was better to be overtaken BEFORE the difficult final turns before the finish line, so I slowed down out of the line (if I didn't slow down I don't know how I could turn safely where I was).
Unfortunately your 2 cars were arriving side by side and from my opinion it was too riskly to overtake a backmarker in that way on a narrow track (there was not so narrow when Schumacher and Hakkinen overtook Zonta in Spa 199X).
One of you, Jethro, in this case should have wait ...of course, it's easy to say that after.   

No really important, but then my car was undriveable. Until that, I had a pleasant pursuit  with Bastian car during quite all the race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Tom van Ostade on December 17, 2014, 11:58:09 AM +0000
Congrats Tommie, very well deserved! You're a real natural racer driving with the head, you show a lot of class and respect, always fun to race with you 8) Also great job Jethro and nice FL, and Doni for podium! :)

Tristan thoroughly deserved the championship, weird enough his first after several times being bridesmaid  :-* Exciting finish to the season with Dean clinching second in the points, just before his compatriot and archrival Doni. Great job guys, very consistent and rocksolid season by both of you, Dean with a win and multiple podiums for both as well!  8) I'm particularly pleased for Doni, my former teamboss in oAo ;)

Andreas was very unlucky though, but also well done to you over the whole season.

Thanks to Paul and Jethro modding the Historics, and Axel for always having his server available for online testing as well. Thanks to all drivers for racing. Won't do a full season next year, but might attend some races...it's for sure a fun mod, that I need to discover more...(I did sign up as a reserve in this year's 65 Pro, and made most races ;))

Thanks Robert!

I just noticed I set the exact same time in quali and race down to the thousands, 1:07.905 ;D . So I guess my limit was there.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: AnGex on December 17, 2014, 02:40:54 PM +0000
...

Andreas was very unlucky though, but also well done to you over the whole season.

...

Thanks for the kind words.  :) Always hard to believe when you loose the whole race in the very first lap.  :( But in the end it does not change much...
So looking forward to the next races.
Congratulations to the podium and the finishers!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Turkey Machine on December 17, 2014, 06:29:35 PM +0000
Unfortunately one of those time Dave R. happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and a collision ensued from which I was lucky to escape.

Sorry to Jethro. Hopefully he was able to continue and it seems his car was not affected by this collision.

I thought it was better to be overtaken BEFORE the difficult final turns before the finish line, so I slowed down out of the line (if I didn't slow down I don't know how I could turn safely where I was).
Unfortunately your 2 cars were arriving side by side and from my opinion it was too riskly to overtake a backmarker in that way on a narrow track (there was not so narrow when Schumacher and Hakkinen overtook Zonta in Spa 199X).
One of you, Jethro, in this case should have wait ...of course, it's easy to say that after.   

No really important, but then my car was undriveable. Until that, I had a pleasant pursuit  with Bastian car during quite all the race.

Yeah, I wasn't intending for that to happen, but I misjudged the position of your car in relation to Tommie's car, and that you'd braked earlier in order to let him through. By the time I realised I couldn't easily avoid the rear-end. Amazed the car stayed on track after it.

I fear I may lose that 2nd place through those two collisions... the rear end shunt of Cookie wasn't intentional but I misjudged how early the braking point was for lap 1. :(

The racing with Tommie was immense, a real pleasure to try and push him into a mistake but rather different being the chaser than being chased.... good fun! Good fastest lap too, found the BRM good to push after some last minute tweaking to the front ARB and the car would actually turn in at most key places!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 18, 2014, 12:48:43 PM +0000
Congratulations to Tommie on a fine win!  Great job, mate!  :)

Ditto for Jethro to be in TvO's shadow at the flag.  Great run.  But yes, I fear that you may draw the ire of the mods for that Lap01 biff down in the Loop.

And hey!  A podium for me in the finale!  Well, OK...  Blue Moose teammie, Clive the Evil, pulled over coming off The 90 on the last lap to let me move up from P4 but I'll take it!  TYVM, Clive!  I owe you one and never forget a debt.

Sad to see so many fall by the wayside as the infamous Loop claimed its due.  I was high up the leader board early on thanks to the carnage but soon, Clive was on my tail and easily passed for position.  For many a lap, I just tagged along taking benefit from his slipstream to keep up.  On a couple of occasions, I nearly fell back too far and had to up the R's to maintain contact.  I noted that Dean ultimately settled into a position directly behind me but some half-dozen seconds back.  That gap varied slightly and wore down as the race progressed but was comfortable enough.  Only in the last laps did I start to pull close to Clive looking for an opportunity to pass but it never looked good enough to make a serious bid.  Better to settle for a decent placing than risk both our fates.

Congratulations to Tristan who had a strangle-hold on the championship right from the get-go.  From the 4th race on, he was obliged to use the 3rd-echelon chassis and did a splendid job with them.  Full marks.

A tip of the hat to Dean who pulled a rabbit out of the hat to vault into P2 in the final standings.

I'm genuinely dismayed to see that Andreas was eliminated in the Lap01 fracas in The Loop.  After a season-long performance of good, steady driving, he was primed to place P2 or at worst, P3 in the final standings.  He and I vied for position in the standings...and in some races, too...with precious little to judge between us.  Pretty damned cruel to have the season close on that note.  No justice, amigo.

Blue Moose handily took the Team Award with good scoring from Clive, Iestyn and myself.  Drinks all 'round!  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: MagicArsouille on December 18, 2014, 06:40:37 PM +0000
Hi :)
.....well very good race as long as I can take the slipstream of the leaders, then a little mistake make me loose the contact and the slipstream too, so I try to retake the contact...... :laugh:......but push a little too hard and be punish in the loop by loosing a wheel  :'(......   ......desapointed for the fun! ... but happy for the champ  ;D

....i have to thanks everybody for this good season whith the title66 in the end after many second final places it's my first title in UKGPL and for shure I will defend it next season ...................8)

    cu all and have a marry christmas and happy new year 2015 ............

....ciao tutti la tribue  ;D
   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66) - Watkins Glen - Dec 16
Post by: AnGex on December 19, 2014, 03:04:52 PM +0000
...

I'm genuinely dismayed to see that Andreas was eliminated in the Lap01 fracas in The Loop.  After a season-long performance of good, steady driving, he was primed to place P2 or at worst, P3 in the final standings.  He and I vied for position in the standings...and in some races, too...with precious little to judge between us.  Pretty damned cruel to have the season close on that note.  No justice, amigo...


Yeah, all in all we had a good season, haven´t we? But ok, sometimes you loose and sometimes the other win!  :)
But there´s always another season and I will be there to try out something again.  ;)