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Please use this thread to discuss whether UKGTL should adopt "Advanced Setup".

As someone who's struggling enough with the standard setup, I'm not sure even more setting options I don't know what to do with, would be of any help  :helpsmilie:

Aside from offering asymmetrical settings left/right, can someone familiar with it say what other options, if any, are made available ?

Cheers,
Erling

I am quite familiar with assymetrical setups from GPL and usually use specific offset setups for each car/track. This can help balance the tyre wear/temps throughout a race, but if taken to extremes you can make a car unstable under braking etc. So it is a balancing act where you tweak the handling to gain performance through the majority of corners against a car that might need more care at other places.

I have not looked at what is available in GTL's options but I have noticed that in the "standard" setup page some options are unavailable for some car options. If you want to use assymetrical then I assume that ALL parameters would be available in the advanced page, as in my GPL experience you would need to access all options to really make it work.

As a newbie here it is probably not my place to comment on what should or should not happen, but I am actually enjoying the relative simplicity of GTL and the relaxed and gentlemanly on track behaviour. That does not make the racing any less intense IMHO ( well I still struggle to keep up!!) but I am very conscious of the low level of moderation in your races compared to GPL.

I'm not very good at setups with current options, more options will only confuse my poor old brain.  ??? ::) :wheelchair: :rockon:

I'm already using the advanced setup and I'm still confused and always one of the slowest drivers,
so it looks like there is no advantage for me even when I use it.  :P

I must admit (as I wrote in my Assen report) I missed the 'Advanced Setup' in a clean GTL install.
If you ask me, is it cheating? ...my answer is NO. Even in the good old GPL (1998) could be assymetrical.

We can see that some have already (hehe Kurt)...and some have not, I choose to play with open cards and says: I want it...especially because no one can see you use it  8)
Everyone knows in real, cars are set up differently about space clockwise or counterclockwise and completely out of balance on oval tracks. Therefore, I would say: It is one thing missing in GTL, that should be there from the start.

Some do not spend much time in the 'Garage' (running perhaps almost 'default setup) but to spend some time in the garage and get the car to run better...you will have a much more fun race.
Tip: Use XD to see, for example, your tire temp & where the heat settles in the tires, change little air & balance...& you are already faster  ;)

Give yourself a Christmas gift, free...Merry Christmas  ;D

Prob make no difference having extra settings to me, BUT in fairness if some drivers already have this it should be available to all.

For those not familiar with the Advanced Setup...here are a few pictures of your new Garage

(http://www.gt-legends.eu/GTL/Setup/Advanced_Setup/Advanced_Setup_1.jpg)
(http://www.gt-legends.eu/GTL/Setup/Advanced_Setup/Advanced_Setup_2.jpg)

A funny detail I came to mind: If you download a setup in 'Online Folder'...maybe you already have & use a setup that is built in Advanced Setup  ;D

Ohh, XD I mentioned in previous post, one thing I think everyone uses...but it's also 'cheating' ?  ;)

As the AS cannot be policed it's futile to try to restrict/ban it's use.

Perhaps someone can supply the appropriate files required so at least everyone can use it if they wish?

Mmm, yes i think that for the majority of current GTL drivers around here this feature might not do much for the racing experience on SROUK. Not to mention a certain Pelle B from Dk showed us a crazy fast pace without the use of this Advanced Setup!

So if you do not know where to look for in the setup it won't be much help to you. (it is there in P&G, but i rearly touch it because of lack of practice time mostly) But with some trail and error you might get an idea what parameters to change and improve your driving experience. Heck some heavy Advanced Setup users might even give a little insight in what some of these new parameter would do?

I would be happy to share my setups with other drivers to improve the understanding of car setups and get a closer grid on race day. (I believe we can use a online folder for this? Don't know anything about that function..)

So as Tony mentioned; it can not be policed, so lets make it available to all.

Thx  ;D

After UKGTL moved two ABB Lobby (I just tried)...you can see all the setups in 'Online Folder' and I could see, example Goodwood, here are 3 of my (all my setups starts with 'PB'. It is where the fun comes, as I have said before...more may have already downloaded a setup that is built in 'Advanced Setup' without knowing it...because, all at ABB using it  :laugh:
If someone is missing a setup (& we are in the same car on the server) of course I upload my setups if anyone wants...but many find them unusable, may require a change of driving style  :o

(http://www.gt-legends.eu/Fun/Pictures/Cooper_S/24_Cooper_S_v1.jpg)

*No...it's a joke  :D ...but to build this series of Cooper S was perhaps the largest I did in GTL 2014 in cooperation with GeeDee  :thumbup1:

I found it here (I don't use the autoupdater of ABB where it seems to be included):

http://www.racingfr.com/forum/index.php?autocom=Downloads&showfile=1154 (http://www.racingfr.com/forum/index.php?autocom=Downloads&showfile=1154)

Site is french but at least a working DL - you have to be logged in.

"Advanced setup" (by R8-Gordini) readme from ABB:

This tool provides access to hidden car setup values which work it GTL. It comes near the GTR2 setup menu.

We know this is a major change to GTL, but there are some clever heads - also here on Bude - who know which
screws to turn to get access to these values without a graphic UI. As there is no technical solution to prevent
this we think everybody should have access to this.
By the way, it's all about fine tuning, there are no turbo kits

As already stated: for me the advanced setup does not offer any or considerable advantage, because I'm not
enough sophisticated to use it accordingly - as you can see from my results this year  :P :wheelchair:  :'(

True, it is located in ABB Auto Update, but it does not come automatically. Once you are inside the 'Auto Update', go to 'Tweaks' & 'Erweiterungen'...where you can install 'Advanced Setep' in five different languages.

@Kurt - Does the read me file expressly forbid redistribution?

No - here's the original readme:

GT Legends Advanced Setup Menu

by R8-Gordini 2013-09-04

====================================================
Features all available car setup values at the
setup menu

includes backup of original files

Localisations:
German
Francais

for more please contact me

====================================================
Installation:

Unpack and copy to your game folder

For French language rename game.dic.fr to game.dic
For German language rename game.dic.de to game.dic

Known Issues:

none til now, please report

====================================================
My intention to build this UI mod:

At the GT Legends SIM Racing community out there
are probably a lot of clever heads who know how to
set all these values without an UI, it can be done
simply with a text editor.

You can call it cheating, but there is no thinkable
way to recognize or control this, it's all about
fine tuning of the car's setup.

So I decided to turn this "witch knowledge" into
public knowledge, easily accessible for everybody.

Have fun

====================================================

 ;)

Ahem, i tried to install the mentioned files. All i got was my menu in French.. Got that corrected though. However i do not have the advanced setup available somehow. Can anyone explain which of the files from the download should be copied to the UIdata folder?

Thanks.

You can get quick help on BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/) ;D

It's a little hard to help, but it's easy if you have an ABB GTL install (copi files)...it's difficult to help because I don't know if it is legal to provide links to files...& I also don't know whether this is legal, but you can try here (http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?753-Advanced-Setup&p=14463#post14463).

Thank Pelle, will try the files from your site.

I did got the files from the french site too. Just copyed the files to the UIdata folder, but somehow i did not open the advanced menu... The readme file was not very helpful in that aspect. It looked like i did not had to use every file provided in that download..
I hope i have better luck with your version  ::)

Just try...and if it goes wrong, you get your money back  :laugh:
...but believe me, it opens a new world you will be satisfied with  8)

Postal i can email English files if you still have probs.

Hi Roguk,

I do want to try and install the advanced setup menu. If it is not to much trouble could you email me the needed files?

Thanks!

Hi Postal .... sent.

Thanks Roger!

Installed the 3 files as mentioned. But i do not get the toolbox symbols with no. 1 and 2 so i can switch between both menu's...?? I willhave a look at which files are in my UIdata folder now, maybe there is missing something..

Hi Postal hope you get it sorted.

These are the files in my uidata folder
(http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu97/roguk/1_zps6w8u02nw.jpg) (http://s637.photobucket.com/user/roguk/media/1_zps6w8u02nw.jpg.html)

After you have opened  advanmenu.rar these are the 3 files you need to copy into uidata folder, this is as far as my brain goes.
(http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu97/roguk/2_zpstibep16d.jpg) (http://s637.photobucket.com/user/roguk/media/2_zpstibep16d.jpg.html)

Thank for the help Roger. At first glance it seems i do not have all the files (Menu and UIsouns don't look familiar) and i will investigate when i get home.
I did copy the right files though.

Ok, i don't seem to have the Menu and  UIsounds folders in my install. Don't know how big they are, but is it possible to send them by email?.

Cheers.

I don't have any "Menu" folder within uidata (?) but here are at least the UIsounds:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/e58t3a0zo2b7r0r/UISounds.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/download/e58t3a0zo2b7r0r/UISounds.7z)

Would like to know what's within the "Menu" folder.

Thanks a bunch Eifel.

I was expecting it would hold the files needed to get the toolbox symbols to switch between GTLoptions 1 and 2 in the garage menu... But that doesn't seem to be the case then? My first install of GTL doesn't has those files either i noticed.
Those where CD-disc versions, i did a download from Steam onto my W7 laptop. Maybe it will work with that install..