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1965 Mod – 50th Anniversary Cup – Brands Hatch

Welcome to the opening round of the 50th Anniversary Cup for the 1965 mod. The series will be contested over five of the non-championship tracks actually used in 1965. Brands Hatch, Syracuse, Goodwood, Enna Pergisa & Kyalami.

The series is open to anyone who wishes to enter.

We will use the 60fpsV2newmod (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/60fps/) for the whole of the mini-series.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under INT rules. A maximum of one reset is allowed, followed by a compulsory stop and go in the pits. Reported incidents will be moderated (in accordance with UKGPL rules) there is no “red zone” moderation.
65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update.

No handicaps will apply.
Pro drivers are requested not to use the Lotus, Ferrari, BRM or BT11 for any race.
Pro drivers are not prohibited from using the faster cars  but they won't score championship points if they do.
After 3 rounds, the top three drivers in the championship may be restricted to the BT7 & the Cooper (no Honda) for the two last races. (Depends on what the table looks like).
Points will be awarded according to the original 1965 system, 9 points for the winner, 6 for second, 4 for third, 3 for fourth, 2 for fifth & 1 for sixth.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = TBA
Race date = Tuesday 06-01-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = = brands 67 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6810)
Race length = 25 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Just a proposal...

Pro drivers should not use one of the big 4 cars ::)

Cookie,
I think this is a good idea & I was seriously considering limiting the Pro drivers. As it is a fun series it may be difficult to enforce, but this should work;
Pro drivers are requested not to use the Lotus, Ferrari, BRM or BT11 for any race.
Pro drivers are not prohibited from using the faster cars  but they won't score championship points if they do.
After 3 rounds, the top three drivers in the championship may be restricted to the BT7 & the Cooper (no Honda) for the two last races. (Depends on what the table looks like).

I don't want to be seen as trying to penalise success but the idea is to make the series a bit more interesting & competitive.

I have updated the race post above.

Not sure where to post about this, but as the race is in 2 hours I'm doing it here. 60fps doesn't work for me.

System: I have a Lenovo k650 Idea Centre running Win8.1 and 8gB ram. It has a dedicated NVIDIA GeForce GT635 graphics card, on which I have never touched the settings since I got the PC in Feb14.

GPL: My install of GPL was clean in Feb when I got the PC using the latest GPL Installer at the time. From reading a couple of 60fps threads I have just clicked Enable vSync in Gem/Rasteriser (I use Open GL v2 and the 60fpsv2newmod).

Problem: It is just too flickery and it ruins concentration. vSync has helped, but it just isn't good enough. It is pretty smooth most of the time (though frame rate jumps between 35 and 49) but Clearways and Paddock Hill bend are noticeably bitty.

Any ideas?

Arf

Arf read this thread as there are some hints of NVidia users ;)

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12835.0

- Play with the ZBuffer settings - grouping or extreme grouping
- shut TrilinearFiltering in the NVidia Settings and activate it in GEM Rasterizer settings

I watched this video to turn on Vsync in the Nvidia control panel.

http://youtu.be/mUm6EdtEguQ (http://youtu.be/mUm6EdtEguQ)

I also did as Cookie says and turn off triple buffering in the Nvidia control panel.

Then in GEM, I followed everyone else's advice. I just tried everything to see what works best.

Test Series racer reporting - all seemed Ok during practice.  At the flag cars quickly started disappearing, and I was up to 5th after a lap!  The bad news is, those not involved in tangling wheel and grass, had also disappeared from view for several seconds, several times!  I would've parked it, but we're here to test.  Things improved, but vision was jumpy.  When lapped by the leader. t'was time to get out of harms way.  :-\

All 7 car models were racing, as suggested on the tin - a magnificent seven!

Grats Raoni great performance :thumbup1:
But strange you were not visible for me and my pribluda for the first 2-3 laps :o

After a hectic day I was out of shape and lost my concentration wich resulted in doing spins...

But I am happy with such a great ~full grid where most driver seemed to have got the 60fps problems solved!

This track is known for some problems and I hope you all had the latest fix of Ginetto installed.

I was happy to have participated in the test. I felt a little guilty taking the last spot on the grid, but there were no one else in the chat room waiting. So I went ahead and joined. The practice went good except, that I am very sorry to Tim for ruining one of your qually laps. I started the race in the back row, and I could not see the flagman. I relied on the car in front to let me know when to go. I can report that my pc had good FPS, and I did not suffer from frame stutters or tearing. However, I saw a number of cars disappear and reappear on the first lap. Unfortunately one of those cars reappeared in my rear view mirror, and it was traveling at a high rate of speed. I was sent into orbit, and I lost at least one wheel.  :) After the field rolled by, I used my shift-r + s&g. I had a nice drive in the Lotus, and I focused on improving my lap times. Unfortunately, I ran out of tarmac a few times. Mostly because I would look at Prib too much, but also my lack of practice is a culprit. I know that I was a hindrance for a few of the cars that lapped me. I am hoping that I will improve with more practice. Here is hoping that the next race will be more successful.  

No, I wouldn't say I have got anywhere near getting mine solved. Have tried loads of combos of different settings. The one that looked the best pre-race in a private session didn't work well at all in the race. Whilst I will persevere and try and solve it, I remain very nervous about 60fps being adopted as the standard for all races, as the 'one solution fits one person' way of solving this is going to make it very difficult to get new people involved...never mind that I've yet to see what all the fuss is about myself.....


Must check that. On an unrelated matter, I spent a lot of time at Brands in 2014, both as a spectator and lapping it on my bike. I can't shake the feeling that the short straights to and from Druids are not long enough, especially the one down to Graham Hill. Anyone else think that?

Arf it's easy to find if you have the fixed files of Brands: The fixed has no bump at the exit of the pits!

Late but not too late for the attempt to solve your problems with 60fps ;)

Just download hwinfo (http://www.hwinfo.com/) and post your summary here...

Did anyone check their frame rates? Off-line I am getting near 60. During the race I don't recall it getting above 36? I have 60fpsnewmod checked in GEM - have I forgotten to do something else?

Did anyone else get dumped on the track instead of the pits when they press the green button? I seem to remember that happening at Brands before.

Nice to see a good turn out. Hope nobody missed out. I will see if I can scrounge another server for the next race. Please watch the race post - there might be a Light / Heavy split & the Lights will have no chassis handicap.

The main purpose of this series is to test out 60fps. If anyone has problems / issues please post here. Personally I haven't a clue but Cookie has an answer for most things.

Apart from the frame rate the cars were blinking off and on quite badly on the start grid.

As an aside I had quite an entertaining race. For different reasons I had several cars passing quite close to me. The 65 crash boxes quite often think there has been contact - nothing tonight which may be one of the upsides of 60fps.

Colin, you may remember how Graham Hill was altered some years ago.  Longer downhill straight, and tighter bend.  In '65, Bottom bend, ( old name )  came sooner.  An F1 powered down to it in a hurry, so seems Ok.  Brands67 was an early masterpiece in realstic GPL addon tracks, but needs steeper hills and slower drivers. :laugh:  Whoops! - back to race reports.

Martin

I never doubted the possibility that things have changed since the 60s....but there is only so much you can do at Brands, given the geographic restrictions. Also, I 'powered down' on a BMW S1000RR, which is a modern 1 litre sports bike, so I suspect that I got there even quicker than a 65 F1 car...

...however, I'm sure I'll be back soon enough, so I'll check it out.. hopefully with my GoPro attached to the fairing...

 . . . . . .  :)  http://vimeo.com/46187600   ;)  . . . . .

I was disconnected at the start of the race.
During qually, I had several freeze ... :(

I didnt check my fps but i had problems the first two laps with dissapering Cars.
Because of that, i had an incident in Turn 2 at the start when someone hit me.

Later i threw it away, wanted to much while fightinmg wih andreas - but entertaining race.

I'm sure you get the server problems vanished.
I never expericend such problems in 3 years EOLC with 60 FPS.

Thx for Racing.

Bastian the main problem we have is that drivers with bad connections are racing with us.

The server is good as it kept Raoni online, even when he was not visible for several laps in a grid of 17!

EOLC has not such a wide spread grid of nationalities and big distances.

From my experience it looks as if you can not compare the german I-net quality with other countries ::)

I hope Jethro can set up his server for next Tuesdays Goodwood ;)

Exciting race.  Lotsa action from my viewpoint.

On jumping onto the grid, I was horrified to see so many cars appear, wink out, then come back then wink out again.  My latency bar was much higher than it should have been.  Off the start, I pussy-footed it around to Druids til a bump sent me to the back of the pack.  I checked frame rates at times.  Seemed quite good in the high-50's for the most part.  After the Lap01 business, the latency bar settled down considerably and I had no further technical issues.

Congrats Raoni, Dean, and Tim! That was a very nice drive on your part!


Yes, you did. I was too, hoping a gap would open between the two of us. My apologies for the bump. The warping had me so nervous that I couldn't really tell what was happening behind me. I was so concerned about being hit from behind that I didn't focus enough on your car. I'm sorry I handicapped you so bad. I'm glad you recovered nicely and didn't finish much worse than you would have otherwise. It wasn't until I looked at the replay that I knew who I had hit. I would have given you my position had I known it was you during the race. You almost got it any way since my engine started sputtering at the beginning of the last lap.

I thought about starting at the back but I didn't want to handicap myself that much. I was pleased with my position on the grid. Nobody in front of me was going to slow me much if any, and nobody behind me would be slowed much by me. I wasn't able to pay much attention to my fps. It dropped to about 45 fps at the start but improved within a few car lengths after the start. Even though I couldn't look at the fps, it appeared good by the time I entered T1.

I had no idea that there may have been high latencies in practice. I saw Raoni blinking some behind me late in practice. I thought it was his connection at that point. But when all the cars disappeared on the starting grid, I thought it was my connection.

After punting Donnie, I was even more nervous that I went off in T3. That gave me a brief respite to survey the situation.

When Clive caught up with me, as bad as the blinking was, I immediately let him by. I didn't think about how the high latency might make it difficult for him to determine what I was doing. I'm glad you made it by cleanly. After Clive passed me, I turned on the internet meter. It was 2/3's red! I've never seen it that high. I forgot to hit Alt+L to see how high it actually was. After a lap or two behind Clive, it dropped to its usual level, 200 for me. My latency to Axel's server has actually improved some lately. It had been ranging from 220-240. Once I turned the meter on my fps were dropping to 45 near the pit entrance. After a couple of laps with a normal latency I turned the meter back off. From then on I had little trouble with the frame rate. I'd get an occasional stutter.


Yes, I'm surprised my connection held! With all the blinking, I was sure I'd be booted at any moment. And when I turned on the meter and saw the sky high latency, I don't know how the server was able to keep me connected. I'm impressed that the server didn't boot at least a few of us.

This is only the second time, I've had any real problem with my connection to a UKGPL server. The other time was the S27 Works race at Monaco.

I've got my suspicions that 3 or 4 fewer cars, there wouldn't have been as bad or any latency problems.

I wasn't able to make much of a determination if I could make a decent start because of fps problems. But I think things might have been tolerable without the high latency.



I don't have it. I usually just install the track I've downloaded from GPLTD. Unless I'm having bad problems or the graphics are so archaic, I usually leave the tracks as they are.

I'll be sure to get it before I race at Brands Hatch again.

Thanks Axel and thanks to all the other drivers.

I think I might have solved my PC problems but I would like to test it a few times on-line before I can be certain.

Axel, are you planning to setup some 60fps practice sessions on your server before the next 65 Anniversary race?

@ Phil

Yes I will set the server to some 60fps sessions tomorrow

 :euro: :thumbup2: :thumbup2:


 :chef:

Thanks Axel but unfortunately I have to go out tonight :(

Tomorrow I will host some GT fun, 60fpsV1

waiting for Gizmo to add the track Stardust and Killarney, have send PM ;)

back to topic

There was a discussion if our Brands is a good copy of the real track...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcLjbbiTzww

Look at it and you will agree its very near!

PS
the car we will hopefully be able to race soon  ;)