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1965 Mod – 50th Anniversary Cup – Killarney

This pre-season mini series completes its 6th and final race at Killarney. Sounds like it should be in Ireland, but is in fact South Africa. Two important facts, it’s the first time UKGPL have raced here &, most importantly, the track was created by Francesco Molenti (so he might have a bit of an advantage).

The series is open to anyone who wishes to enter. We will be running two servers. UKGPL8 for Ams & UKGPL9 for Pros. There are no chassis restrictions.

I have not had time to update the championship standings but Dean’s post in the Kyalami race thread is probably right for the Pros. In the Ams Bastian & Dave Curtis are leading the way.

We will use the 60fpsV2newmod (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/60fps/) for the whole of the mini-series.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under INT rules. A maximum of one reset is allowed, followed by a compulsory stop and go in the pits. Reported incidents will be moderated (in accordance with UKGPL rules) there is no “red zone” moderation.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update.

Points will be awarded according to the original 1965 system, 9 points for the winner, 6 for second, 4 for third, 3 for fourth, 2 for fifth & 1 for sixth.
The Pros & Ams are being scored separately.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8 & UKGPL9
IP address = TBA
Race date = Sunday 25-01-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Killarney (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/killarney/) add the extra killarne.dat (.zip file) to get the flagman!
Race length = 28 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Track download link is missing the ":"  :P

Was url for ftp link ;)

Got a screen freeze while testing offline, hopefully it won't happen in the official race.

I had one with the pure track too in training, but not yet with the complete addons...

I upped them in the track folder at UKGPL3 ;)

Addons are good, including a Michelin bridge :), and a guarantee for having a starter :laugh:!

Long time Hristo! You'll like it.. feels easier to be consistent, which helps when returning/switching physics.

I'd say take BT7, as I'm committed to the Cooper :D. I still expect to be soundly beaten though ;)!

I've decided on the BT11. ;)

Training-server is running ;)

hi  my 60 fpsV2 work but not the 60fps V2 newmod ....is it a problem ??


thx :)

No problem if you can join the server...

BUT

Have you installed?
"65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod  (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965/)can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. "

Beware, the flagman is not on the start line ... :-\

Just add the extra killarne.dat into the folder !!!
Replace the old one!


Get it in race post link (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/killarney/)  ;)

If I install the killarne.zip (6874KB) file, do i need the bridge files, pitside3.mip, and the killarney 256 update.zip too?

killarne.zip is needed.

but the 256 update seems to reduce the freezes!!! Had several without, with it none yet!
It is a light update, not more load!


others are just optical gimmicks

Don't bother with the separate bridge textures. The 256 bit update makes them look much better.

Have to confess I have had a few screen freezes with and without the updates. Fingers crossed for tonight.

Fingers crossed...

How about a 66s on Tuesday with Spa67?

Sounds good to me.. which cars have we not driven it with yet?  ;D

Porsche Supercup fun race as well maybe?

i forgot to change the set-up for the race!Better to retire also because the fuel was not enough.

I had a freeze in front with 7 laps to go :(

Great start, and it went downhill from there...

Sorry for the tap Ronnie.

Managed to snap my brake pedal, so that's me out of action for a while!

after a good qualif, I take a good start and after 15 m have been hit once ...and twice and go off track and screen freeze .....not fun ! ....

Rarely in the history of F1 (if ever), has the person starting 9th or 11th on the grid made it into T1 in P1... :-)  I was glad to see it was a double Baarf, and I let Baab go through as soon as I could, as I knew I didn't have his pace. Thought I might even be able to give him some breathing space as there are only a couple of passing places here, and lots of people had to queue to overtake me... As it turned out I had the second slowest average pace (but most consistent...), so I just felt like a sitting duck all through the race.

Between me and various people we managed to orchestrate some of the closest passes without the crash box intervening that I have ever seen - that was some of the best behaved driving I have seen, well done all.

I did however think that the move Cookie made on me at the end was...a little less well judged. I didn't think you were close enough to make a move, and the only reason I was even slightly slow into the corner is that I was right behind someone, and didn't want the draft to make me rear end them.. I think you would have got me soon after.. but hey, it was just a fun race, and fun it certainly was. Thanks all!

Oh, I guess Jethro won't have found it as much fun, given his comment in chat just after - sorry to hear you snapped your pedal - curious to hear how you managed that (what kind of pedals were they?)

Arf

Yes Arf, sorry
was a little too much, but I thought you had me in the mirrors going inside...

Was dead last after the start and had to make up some places, but a little damage on the front suspension made me spin 3 times...

Great racing and fun stuff, but the track still seems too much beta for a season race.

Sorry Bastian, it was a real shame. It was shaping up to be a good race. There was not enough gap between any of us to really be safe. So I had fun trying to keep it on the black stuff. I had one lapse in concentration, and I nearly went off track at each corner until I regained focus. This race was my second time to cross the finish line first. Kind of exciting even if it is just a fun race!

Good race Nicky, Billy, Dave C., Fran, Bastian, Rog!
Sorry to see some people have bad luck.
Sorry to see Bad Blood have something wrong with his wheel.

Thank you Fran for the Track! Very challenging, and I started to really enjoy lapping here. 

Congrats Hristo, Rob, Iestyn!

My apologies to whoever I ran into at the start. That's the fastest I've ever been on my top yet. It was shame to use my reset so quickly. I needed it at the end because of my lousy fuel estimate. :(

Good racing Arf! I started getting impatient once Ray caught up with us. I'm glad I didn't hit you? I tried as hard as I could to stay close while doing my best to avoid any contact. After one lap behind you, I knew you were holding me back but it was difficult to find a place that I knew I could safely pass. That wasn't a very safe pass but I figured with 3 of so close together, I better get by before we have a wreck.

I cheated at the end. I reset a second time so I could go ahead and cross the finish line. It didn't have any effect on the outcome of the race though.

Thanks guys. That was a lot of fun except for the very beginning and the last lap.

Terribly sorry for the start incident. Hristo didn't seem to see the flagman. A combination of a pretty tight grid, lack of steering ratio and arguably a lack of judgement caused me to clip Hristo's right rear tire bouncing me into Tristan...

The whole field went by, and was almost last first lap. Car had some slight damage, and felt a bit strange, but it wasn't too unpredictable. Dean let me kind of by, and some went off having contacts. Was close behind Hristo who caught up with the cars ahead. That was a nice 5-6 car train with a lot of action. At some point went from P5 to P2 in one lap, passing David, Hristo and Arf. However struggled in the kink leading up to the backstraight, had to overcorrect and went wide. Tried to stay out of the way at that point but I didn't knew Hristo also went sideways, but he still managed to easily overtake me.

He gradually drove away from me, but when he caught up with Bob, them fighting I also caught up again, then Bob went off. From then on Hristo basically consistently bettered his laptime, and just couldn't hang on to his pace...

Great race from my point of view, but maybe too many incidents. Shame about the start, commiserations to all that suffered from it. For me it turnt out well staying ahead also of Iestyn and Dean, and it was great to race Hristo for once. :)

PS :sorry to hear Tristan, you deserved to race for the win. I have had 3 screenfreezes in the last 5 races, and now I had 1 in quali. I was lucky in the race among others I guess...

Congrats to Hristo on the win!  Nice recovery there, bud!

Ditto for Robert & Iestyn!

A miserable time for me.  I had connection issues for no discernible reason but finally managed to log on to the server.  Should have taken the hint and left the BT11 in the shop!  Apologies for bumping H on the opening round as he recovered and moments later, I clipped Jethro sending him off the road.  BAH! 

Thanks all, but I should be the one apologizing! I simply forgot to install the flagman patch posted by Axel, and I realized too late that the flagman I was seeing on my left on the start was never going to move. Tried to move the car when I saw the others behind accelerating, but it was too late - sorry! It's a shame, especially for Tristan, because I was looking forward to racing with him, as we had almost equal time in Qualifying. I had a feeling he was slightly faster, but you never know in a race.

After I recovered, it was a race of two parts, more or less. First part was going through the field, battling a lot of cars, rearending Andreas by misjudging braking points (sorry), challenging for the lead and getting re-passed by Bob on the outside going into T1 (how did you do that?!  ;D), but then retaking the lead after he made a mistake. Second part was having Rob following within 1 second and both of us trading tenths here and there, without anyone gaining permanent advantage, until the end of the race where I managed to break away enough so that there was no more risk of providing Rob any slipstream.

I really enjoyed this one-off 60 fps race in the 65 cars, and apart from the start mayhem, it was really respectful racing by everyone, leaving room and hard, but clean battles, so congrats on that everyone! I may join another such non-championship race in the near future.

Thanks ,but i failed this first race on my track.The  default setup 
immediately put me out of the race.Anyway i looked some laps after my retreat and i have seen Grupp,Nickx and also you sometime into the green.
Seem easy to fail the speed entrance of some curve.For me was thery easy to fail the entrance of the 5th curve,that is immediately before the last curve that go to the straight.Axel say that the track is too beta but I'd like to repeat a race.
   

Fran this is a great track, with the layout it gives us great racing and fun.
We are happy to have such guys, able to give us new tracks.
I would love to add it to our regular schedule.

But most of the drivers had freezes one ore more times, I had another one in qualification and had to restart my PC.
I also have the problem that I cannot leave the wheel driving a long straight, I have to correct multiple tramway effects.

Maybe you can have a look with Ginetto what causes these things :)

You would make us even happier if you can make a final revisited version with a flagman out of the box and reduced freezes.

PS
Maybe tramway feelings have to do with effects on the FFB?

It's not the FFB for sure, it's the lines that define altitude changes along the track surface, they're probably not evened out. Many tracks have that and while it's not very realistic, it creates a nice challenge for setting up the car and trying to figure out the ideal line, which is not always what you would normally take on a smooth track.

I know where this effect comes from,
as I allready had a contact with Ginetto about "Road Ontario" wich is worse and IMO undriveable for GT's.
But a good FFB let you feel this probably more as without FFB ::)

But in our case we have the author and this could be healed  ;)

No problem Dean, you don't get close racing without the occasional contact (that is not an invitation for everyone to clobber me but hopefully you know what I mean). Thanks to yourself, Dave and Arf for some great racing.

Congrats to the podium of Hristo (great to see you back on track with us), Rob and Iestyn.

But the biggest thanks are for Fran. A great track which provided some excellent racing throughout the field. I thought the uneven surface added to the challenge. I for one hope the issues of screen freezes and a permanent fix for the flagman can be resolved because it would be a shame not to use this track again. Great work Fran.

So...  This track features traces throughout the racing surface?  No wonder my ride was acting like a bucking bronco.  I found it near-impossible to cope with.  Reminded me of the final corner at Bridgehampton.  YUK!  :(

I didn't notice that so much as that the car felt quite strange in a few corners (T1 esp.), had to be extremely gentle on the throttle or it was opposite lock time (or worse, hunting between oppo and normal). Is that also the traces or just lower grip asphalt or what, because I was using a Brands setup that normally will just drift all the day long with very easy and predictable transitions, but here there was no relaxing at all.

I fear it may make the track too easy if the surface is made perfectly smooth. It's interesting at the moment because you can't just use the whole track width and push to the limit, making it feel like there are puddles, mud, holes etc. on the road, which you have to avoid or be careful going over them. Maybe cure T1 only.  ;D

It's the same as Bridgehampton as Doni just mentioned. I guess it's a problem in some cars, can't really judge it having only driven in the BT11 yesterday.

don't know...you were the only one I got close to racing for more than a few corners, so perhaps I was reasonably strong into there.  I was surprised you braked earlier, but then I had the optimal line.

After praccy I knew where to look for the flag man and managed to navigate most of the carnage with only a small tap to Tris (I think) and headed off down the road behind another Brab.  I was please that it was Arf that I was following, a couple of corners later I was through and started to build a lead.  Sorry to say it but it was somewhat comforting for a while to see the Aliens several positions further behind ;).  By the time I saw H had taken 2nd on prib I had a 13 second lead and for a lap or two I reckoned this may have been enough.  However, I made a few small errors running wide onto the grass which saw my gap shrink to about 9 secs, then I spun.  Rejoining slightly in-front of H he challenged me at the end of the back straight but I manged to hold him off.  However, I knew this couldn't last and after a brief battle I spun again and rejoined 4th.  Had fun though!

I found the tramlining a bit tricky to begin with but got used to it as the race went on so that I barely noticed it at the end!  Thanks for the track Fran.

Bob.

Had it in Honda too ::)

If you try it with GT40 MK4 it gets worse...

Can someone upload a replay, forgot to save mine

Should be a server replay in the first post Bob. :)

There isn't.

Server replay is here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season28/FunRaces/).

Whoops, thanks for covering me! ::)

Thanks Rob and...ahem Jethro!

Dean...

No, there is no alteration in the grip levels.  The standard 'tarmac' mapping texture(dark grey)is used throughout.  I ran a test lap through GPLRA before the race and noticed no changes in texture.  I've just run another lap through GPLRA again from the server replay to confirm.  Use of the slippery 'concrete' texture(light grey)would have been easily apparent.  Load up a lap of LeMans Bugatti in GPLRA to see what I mean and note the colour change starting and finishing the Bugatti variation.  That colour change indicates a switch from tarmac to concrete and vice versa.  The rock & roll at Killarney is strictly due to variations in side-to-side elevation changes which, to my knowledge, can only be achieved by using traces(they run parallel to the centreline of the track)within the track boundaries.  This is not recommended in the literature I've read unless the author is looking to achieve a particular result(ie, the Karussel at the Nurb).  Perhaps Fran could confirm here the use of traces within the track boundaries as it would explain much.

A lack of perceived traction in T1 could also be the result of a little negative camber dialed into the build.

The numpty bit first - from the track directory I downloaded the Killarne.ZIP & installed from there - ignoring the "gpltrackinstalkillarney" file. As per Cookie' post I also install the 3 add on files (copied them into the track folder - although didn't really notice much difference).
From the start I could see a flagman - but he didn't have a flag. Not a major problem as I got away without losing a place.

Generally I quite like the track - no problem to race here again. No screen freeze at any stage. The grip did seem a bit lacking in some corners but it was the same for everyone. No complaints there.
I had expected a 1.24 to be reasonably competitive for the Ams but had to pull out all the stops with a 1.23.8 in qually to avoid the back row. About as good as it got as the field was gradually pulling away from me through the race.

Been quite a fun series, with races in quick succession.  Will get the final results published - fairly soon.

OK Axel i can ask to Ginetto if there is something to do.I never had freezing problem with this track(until now)anyway i ask to the expert.
For sure is not a work of few days, also  because i have forgotten all about track development.Aftre the work on the canam66 cars and Surfer Paradise,i have done nothing.About the tarmac "grip"I can confirm that is not determined by the color  but by a number used for the grip and i have used always the same number.The green have a very low grip,so when the curve is failed the car go anyway.Maybe could be possible to change the grip of the green immediately near to the tarmac but i don't know if this is a good thing.
About FFB.I don't feel the effect that you say but i use FFB2.The effect of the "tramway" or little jump is intentional in Sebring.I feel nothing also in Sebring but Ginetto say that is due to the use of FFB2.

I use FFB2 too Fran.  ;)
As there is no better FFB...

(http://picload.org/image/ciaglga/ffb2.jpg)

About the tramway effect,
I succeeded in reducing it making the steering more direct by less toe-in/out on the front axle ;)

Hi, Fran.  Thanks for that post.

My reference to the 'colour' of the roadway is just how it's graphically rendered in either GPLRA or the track building programme, GPLTrk.  I understand that surface #1 is tarmac(normal grip; shown as dark grey); surface #2 is concrete(less so; shown as light grey).

Could you confirm or dismiss my belief that there are traces inside the track/roadway boundaries and that they have been set to generate what Axel refers to as the 'tramway' effect?  Thanks, again.

I'm 100% sure it's the traces and not the surface changing grip in any way. Seen it on too many tracks by now, plus I've done it myself when I was doing some track editing long ago. It's easy to fix, but tedious and slow. As it is at the moment, it adds a nice extra challenge for the driver and the setup of the car, so if you smoothen it out, it may kill the track's character. The traces may be responsible for some of the screen freeze, if a track section doesn't connect on the same level to adjacent ones, so perhaps it's worth to check that as well.

Give me time to check because i done this track 6 years ago,now i'm a little "rusty",as we say in Italian.I remeber only a little misalignment after the third curve and nothig else.I don't have this "tramway" effect and also Axel say that if you change some parameter this effect desappear.
Anyway i check what could be improved but for sure need time.
About the freezing i'm not convinced that is due to the track,anyway ,also in this field,i will follow the suggestion of Ginetto.

Not disappearing, but get better to handle!

This track was an absolute joy to race on. Screen freezing issues for some apart, please don't change the nature and flow of its current form Fran. 

I agree!
this track has great potential and is in revised version for shure in our favourites for track selection!

I have found my old work on this track and ,after a check,i can say that there is no longitudinal gap on the straight.Ther is only a gap of -1(0,05mm) on the last bend.I think that is acceptable this little gap.I must check for the altitude but this is a longer work.

Great track ! I really enjoyed the race ...until my steering wheel felt down from the table  :(