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Title: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 03:18:03 PM +0000 This is a long story so bear with me
I ordered new Asrock m/b AMD cpu & 450W p/s for my upgrade (as per Cookies spec in Brands Race thread ) . It all arrived Monday , So set to work and removed my old asus m/b and Intel cpu from the tower and after finding out how it all went together I fitted the new stuff only to find the ddr2 ram wouldn't fit the new board so had to order new ddr3 ram , after fitting that ( wed ) I powered up expecting the best ! The problem I have is that on power up the post runs OK afaict . Windows starts to load but wont go past the "starting windows "screen when it drops back to boot up . It seems the problem is the hdd is not being read , not sure but it may be because the Win7 OS was installed on the original computer ? I have tried booting from the Win7 disk on dvd drive , the computer wont read that either , nor will it read the Asrock installation disk I have tried everyway I know to get it to run but had no luck so far , just hope one of you bright sparks out there might have some suggestions before I tear the rest of my hair out ! Could this be a driver issue or thinking is it possible I have trashed the cpu when screwing it all together I have tried my hdd in another PC and its OK on boot up there is a message flashes up "" cant find device"" before the Asrock bios set up screen appears , not sure what this means ? Spec is Asrock 960GM/U3S3 FX m/b AMD FX 4300 8gigs Corsair vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1866C9R WD 10EARX SATA HDD Win7 home edition Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 22, 2015, 03:23:04 PM +0000 You may have to tell your MB that you have a hard drive installed. Use the BIOS. You will have to press a key on boot up. Messages on screen should tell you which key.
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 04:10:56 PM +0000 :) Bernie,
as long your new PC shows you something on the monitor(screen) in your case some Bios messages and then up to Windows starting logo , your CPU is alive !!! I just downloaded the fitting manuals for your new motherboard and will have a look right now. But as quick shot: check inside BIOS if ya HDD and optical drives are recognized.. quickguide: after you powered on your PC push&hold the delete key till the BIOS menu is up ( could be a different key, should explained at the buttom of screen after you start the PC ) Mostley information for hdd and optical drives are stored in 2nd left menu. just have a look .its selfexplaining. brb after studying the manual good luck so far Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 04:13:20 PM +0000 Nothing to worry about Bernie, just keep calm ;)
If you get a screen the hardware is ok! You have to hit the "del" button before the W7 start screen shows, or when the lights on the keyboard begin to flash. Read the manual first and look for the bios settings. Of course you must tell your bios wich device to start first. I will download the manual to be able to understand your mobo ;) PS Nicky was faster.... Download this AMD all in one driver pack (http://ftp://europe.asrock.com/drivers/AMD/AllIn1/AllIn1_Win7-64_Win7_Vista64_Vista(8.631_W7_logo).zip) from Asrock! Is your Win7 32bit version? Here (http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/960GMU3S3%20FX/?cat=Download&os=Win7) you get all your drivers or they are on the CD shipped with the mobo Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 04:45:05 PM +0000 inside BIOS under the rider `Advanced`your hdd and optical drives should be listed.
If not: always good at the very beginning of setting up a new system is to load BIOS safe default settings , hit F9 key once your inside BIOS, then F10key for save & exit. then have a look again under Advanced to check ya drives are listed. _____ if they listed but PC still hang on Win startup screen, reboot and then hold F8 key, that should lead to a menu , where you asked for how to start Windows. like `repair, safe mode , and so on. As my memory dont serve me any good atm for that specific way , myabe Cookie knows more exactly... ____ bloody question: your OS Windows, does it come from an `ready to start`built PC by a company ? If yes , you may be unlucky and these Windows is limitted to run only on that old PC. That kind of circumstances are forbidden by law in Germany , but I am unsure about UK... ??? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 04:48:23 PM +0000 Hi Axel thought you might be along , I have tried all that stuff and messed around with the bios settings till I'm blue in the face , both hdd and dvd are shown in there , I have tried various combinations of boot order , the pc will start to boot but gets to the windows loading screen and then jumps back to the post , it does this repeatedly , the only thing is it asks weather to do windows repair or start windows normally , neither option works . the windows repair function gives some error codes but doubt they would help me , ive searched the net for solutions but found nothing except a case of having to make a win7 start up disk using an ISO file , I have tried to make one of these and put it on USB stick but I cold't understand the instructions and gave it up after about 2 hours messing around ! maybe this is the only solution other than complete format of the hdd and re install windows which I want to avoid if poss as I have load of personal stuff on there .
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 04:49:53 PM +0000 Nicky the old System was a HP
(http://picload.org/image/cclrlao/bernie.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 04:55:15 PM +0000 Do you have a Windows 7 CD/DVD including SP1 in original?
I did not make a W7 repair install yet, but from XP I know that it does not touch or delete the installed applications and data Have you tried this? http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 05:04:26 PM +0000 Yes it was HP but I changed the HDD and installed Windows 7 along with another hdd with my GPL on it .
Nicky I have tried all the bios stuff you mentioned thanks ! You guys might not know it but my working life was in electronics , just so you know I have city & guilds and BTEC qualifications in electronics , though that doesn't help me to configure a PC . things have changed a bit since my days when we had to use DOS and write batch files to load programmes . I do know how a PC's internal architecture works but other than that my IT knowledge is crap . I can probably post some pictures of the various Bios screens if it helps Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 05:16:35 PM +0000 I have the manual and can see the bios,
but if it boots correct and wants to start W7 everything seems ok for the hardware! You now have to get W7 to boot! Have you tried the F8 key and boot in secure mode? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 05:17:46 PM +0000 Do you have a Windows 7 CD/DVD including SP1 in original? I did not make a W7 repair install yet, but from XP I know that it does not touch or delete the installed applications and data Have you tried this? http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html Yes I have the original OEM Win7 SP1 disk , the problem is it wont run even though the PC recognises it in BIOS , (I have changed the boot order to DVD) as said in my o.p. I have tried to make an ISO file disk on USB but messed up , I d/l this from the Microsoft help , it seems you are only allowed to make one copy of the files ? I will try again with your suggestion from sevenforums.com , this looks promising just maybe I can get it fixed , Quote You can only do a repair install with the same edition Windows 7 installation disc for the same edition of Windows 7 that you have installed. You cannot use a OEM Windows 7 "Factory" Restore/Recovery type of installation disc that came with or created from a store bought computer to do a repair install with. These can only be used do a clean install instead. You can do a repair install on a factory OEM installation with the latest official Windows 7 with SP1 ISO file here: Microsoft: Windows 7 Direct Download Links, and use Windows 7 USB-DVD Download Tool to create a bootable DVD or USB flash drive with the ISO to do the repair install from within Windows 7. You can use a retail OEM Windows 7 installation disc to do a repair install with. You can use a retail (full or upgrade) Windows 7 installation disc to do a repair install with. You cannot do a repair install with a System Repair Disc. A System Repair Disc is not a installation disc, and will only boot to the System Recovery Options screen. If you have a 32-bit (x86) Windows 7 currently installed, then you must use a 32-bit Windows 7 installation disc to be able to do a repair install with. If you have a 64-bit (x64) Windows 7 currently installed, then you must use a 64-bit Windows 7 installation disc to be able to do a repair install with. You can use a retail Windows 7 SP1 installation disc (ex: Technet (available), MSDN (available), or retail (when available)) to do a repair install with on a currently installed Windows 7 SP1. You can use a Windows 7 SP1 installation disc (ex: Technet (available), MSDN (available), or retail (when available)) to do a repair install with on a currently installed slipstream Windows 7 SP1. You cannot use a slipstream Windows 7 installation disc to do a repair install with on a currently installed Windows 7 SP1. You cannot use a slipstream Windows 7 installation disc to do a repair install with on a currently installed slipstream Windows 7 SP1. You can only do a repair install from within Windows 7. You cannot do a repair install at boot or in Safe Mode. You must be logged into Windows 7 in a administrator account to be able to do a repair install. You must have at least 8.87 GB + what is currently being used of free space (more if you have a larger installation) on the hard drive/partition Windows 7 is installed on to do a repair install. If you changed the default location of a user account's profile folder, then you will need to change it back to the default C:\Users location first. If you moved the default location of a user folder, then you will need to change it back to the default C:\Users\(user-name) location first. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 05:21:28 PM +0000 you do have 2 hdd connected ?
Then make sure they are connected exactly the same way&order( Sata/ide slot number) to the mb as in the old system ! ______________ did you tried without the hdd with gpl on ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 05:27:47 PM +0000 Before doing the big repair install, try to use the F8 secure mode first!
this helps W7 to find the right things sometimes! Maybe better to just use the sytem HDD and not connect a second before the system runs fine... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 05:34:37 PM +0000 if nothings helps/works:
do you have enough space left on the Hdd, where win7 is on, to create a new partition to install an new WIN 7 ? make sure your BIOS does support dual boot... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 05:41:35 PM +0000 The board has 2 different sorts of SATA connectors!
- 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors by ASMedia ASM1061, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions - 4 x SATA2 3.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10 and JBOD), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions So plug the DVD and HDD into a SATA2 3.0 Gb/s connector = blue try if it starts there As the SATA3 needs a driver: ASMedia SATA3 Driver ver:1.1.9 (http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/960GMU3S3%20FX/?cat=Download&os=Win764) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 07:00:46 PM +0000 have tried F8 secure mode
have only 1 HDD connected atm Hdd is 1gig so think there is space for partition if only I could HDD and DVD are in Blue headers I can access command promt from f8 can see/change directories , read /open files , have noticed HDD is allocated as :X drive , this was the title C drive on original ,maybe the puter like its owner doesn't know where to look for the OS . can use safe mode and see drivers being loaded in so would assume the basic drivers are installed . Is it possible to make a boot disk from the win7 CD ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 07:15:04 PM +0000 The Win7 CD must be bootable!
It should be possible to make an ISO from CD (http://www.freeisoburner.com/)... But you can download a W7 iso from MS direct (http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-58997.iso)! Than get this (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) and write it on an USB-stick (bottom of the list is W7!) close your antivir when writing on USB as it does not allow the autorun.inf file here ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 07:25:23 PM +0000 I am bit confused now, Bernie.
understand your new PC can catch basic drivers under F8 command,however did you set optical drive to 1th boot device inside BIOS ? ( you must ! ) If yes it should lead you to the Win7 cd ( of course bootable ) ,then choose new install !! now a message should tell you `there is allready an OS WIN7 `... does your new PC let you go so far to this point ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 07:29:28 PM +0000 Quote close your antivir when writing on USB as it does not allow the autorun.inf file here Roll Eyes Ah! perhaps that is where I went wrong ! will give it a go later . I am away tomorrow until Sunday PM so have to get stuff packed tonight , (someone has to go help keep the landlords in Wales pubs solvent ) thanks for the tips will let you know how it goes though deep down I have a feeling I will be re building my old PC back into working order and chucking the new stuff in the trash can ;D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 07:36:22 PM +0000 I am bit confused now, Bernie. understand your new PC can catch basic drivers under F8 command,however did you set optical drive to 1th boot device inside BIOS ? ( you must ! ) If yes it should lead you to the Win7 cd ( of course bootable ) ,then choose new install !! now a message should tell you `there is allready an OS WIN7 `... does your new PC let you go so far to this point ? No Nicky , that is the problem , it wont read the win7 disk or the installation disk I got with the mb and it will not read the hdd . I have tried all the boot options I can think of in BIOS set up . cant think its anything to do with the anti virus programme as it isn't loaded , neither are any other program . still head scratching here , Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 07:37:53 PM +0000 Bernie, have a good time in the landlords pub !!!
__ well, have a look at wikipedia searchin OEM software !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wont be surprised if , in fact, the WIN7 CD you have is limited . I am afraid but think you have to by an socalled `selfbuilder OS WIN7 CD `.. hope I am wrong Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on January 22, 2015, 07:40:00 PM +0000 antivirus programm isnt loaded ( active) before OS is allready boot up afaik, you right Bernie
edit: jesus, I can`t read proper it seams. Cookie was talking of closing the antivirus on that PC you try to make this ISO stuff tu usb stick.... however, outa backstage of my memory: I gues I once tried to install an microsoft OS from recovery CD to an new system without success, as it was limited/restricted to only work on the original `Siemens PC `... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 08:29:59 PM +0000 Bernie your PC reads the HD properly but Win7 has a problem with the new hardware! from intel to AMD, CPU and chipset!
CDs and DVDs can get bad after a while, maybe laying too long in the sun... So download the MS W7 linked, and write it on USB will cost half an hour to repair. Be aware you will need to install some new drivers (http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/960GMU3S3%20FX/?cat=Download&os=Win764) for - AMD chipset - etron USB3 - Realtek high definition audio driver - ASMedia SATA3 Driver - Realtek Lan driver - Onboard HDMI HD audio driver Now keep the landlords in Wales pubs solvent and enjoy the weekend. PS Hey have you tried on both grapics connectors? Maybe it switches to the onboard... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Turkey Machine on January 22, 2015, 08:57:57 PM +0000 This is a long story so bear with me I ordered new Asrock m/b AMD cpu & 450W p/s for my upgrade (as per Cookies spec in Brands Race thread ) . It all arrived Monday , So set to work and removed my old asus m/b and Intel cpu from the tower and after finding out how it all went together I fitted the new stuff only to find the ddr2 ram wouldn't fit the new board so had to order new ddr3 ram , after fitting that ( wed ) I powered up expecting the best ! The problem I have is that on power up the post runs OK afaict . Windows starts to load but wont go past the "starting windows "screen when it drops back to boot up . It seems the problem is the hdd is not being read , not sure but it may be because the Win7 OS was installed on the original computer ? I have tried booting from the Win7 disk on dvd drive , the computer wont read that either , nor will it read the Asrock installation disk I have tried everyway I know to get it to run but had no luck so far , just hope one of you bright sparks out there might have some suggestions before I tear the rest of my hair out ! Could this be a driver issue or thinking is it possible I have trashed the cpu when screwing it all together I have tried my hdd in another PC and its OK on boot up there is a message flashes up "" cant find device"" before the Asrock bios set up screen appears , not sure what this means ? Spec is Asrock 960GM/U3S3 FX m/b AMD FX 4300 8gigs Corsair vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1866C9R WD 10EARX SATA HDD Win7 home edition If Windows on the hard disk gets as far as the initial loading screen then either stops or reboots, it's missing something to be able to load the rest of the OS, possibly drivers for the updated components. When booting, F8 to start in safe mode, that should at least try and get you the screen to be able to rescue and install drivers necessary. As for not reading the disc, as strange as it may sound try unplugging the data (am guessing SATA disc drive? I own many computers but all are IDE/oldskool drives, no SATA optical drives..yet) cable serving the DVD drive and flushly installing it (most have a clip to hold it in), make sure the drive is in the boot order. If it skips the optical drive most motherboards have a F-key button to press in order to specify which device to boot. If it's not in the list something else is a-miss that's a bit beyond my immediate expertise. Shame I'm 250 miles away! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 22, 2015, 09:01:22 PM +0000 Thanks Axel , all the drivers for the board are on the Asrock CD came with the m/b .
I need to get both DVD drive and HDD to run with the m/b OK ! agreed ! I would assume the MS d/l will have basic drivers enough to start the system rolling IF I can get the ISO file onto a USB stick I stand a chance of success , BUT I have already d/l the programme "windows 7 USB DV ISO download tool" but when I run this programme it asks for the ISO file which I cant find and don't know where to look ? Don't know where I'm going wrong , where to find this file ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Ronniepeterson on January 22, 2015, 09:15:24 PM +0000 The board has 2 different sorts of SATA connectors! - 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors by ASMedia ASM1061, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions - 4 x SATA2 3.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10 and JBOD), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions So plug the DVD and HDD into a SATA2 3.0 Gb/s connector = blue try if it starts there As the SATA3 needs a driver: ASMedia SATA3 Driver ver:1.1.9 (http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/960GMU3S3%20FX/?cat=Download&os=Win764) Further to the info provided here by Axel. For what its worth just check that whatever SATA connectors on the motherboard you have used for the HDD and Optical drive, are not DATA only connectors. If they are, the drives will be recognised in the BIOS but not bootable. It is not uncommon for some of the SATA connectors to be DATA only as opposed to OS and DATA compatible. The info should be in your motherboard manual. Its a long shot but easy enough to eliminate before doing anything drastic. You said you were able to check the HDD was okay in another system? Well make sure you back up the drive on here before putting it back in you new system and trying out anything. If it comes to reloading Windows 7 I'm confident you will be able to do this even if it does require some assistance from your fellow drivers. I have been down this road myself and have the Windows 7 USB/DVD download tool on my desktop as a reminder! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 22, 2015, 09:52:58 PM +0000 Quote But you can download a W7 iso from MS direct (http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-58997.iso)! This is the download of your W7 home premium 64! nothing else needed! write it on USB with the beforementioned tool (I prefer pendrivelinux...) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 27, 2015, 08:52:28 PM +0000 Well i tried everything to get this up and running to no avail , have spoken to the tech guy at CCL compute
Bad news is it "could " be up to 28 days if it has to go away to Asrock for repair ( never knew they could repair mb's ) In the meantime got my old faithful Pentium back in service , thanks to all for the help , most appreciated :) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 27, 2015, 11:50:38 PM +0000 Oh no!
Bernieee All works fine IMO! The problem is not the Hardware! The problem is the W7 CD not booting! The HDD does boot as you said. Download any Linux live system put it on a USB or CD and look if this works. Try Lubuntu (http://lubuntu.net/) and burn it on USB or CD with pendrivelinux this shows you if there are any HW related problems ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 28, 2015, 10:45:35 AM +0000 hi Axel
Not sure of why windows didn't boot from the HDD , does the "loading window" screen mean the mb and cpu are all OK ? , the DVD rom definately did not boot with the windows 7 disk loaded in . I made the USB .ISO tried that and got exactly the same thing as if i had loaded an Win7 boot CD in , after trying to fix things with the USB to many times to remember I gave that up , phoned the dealer and it was he who said to send the mb back for test . He couldnt suggest any other ideas to fix my problem , so I suppose he suspects the mb is faulty for that reason . will have to wait for his reply , must say i'm not impressed with the aftermarket service when it comes to computer stuff ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on January 28, 2015, 12:12:22 PM +0000 Just got this email from Asrock support , I honestly think ive tried tried all of this stuff apart from a fresh windows install , looks like that is the only option left .
what do we think ? Quote Hello, If you can see the Windows logo then it looks like the HDD is found. If the system stops booting with “Device not found” then it looks like no Windows installation or bootable medium was found. So this seems contradicting. Let’s try a few things. During bootup please press F11 (repeatedly). This should open a boot menu. If the HDD is shown in the boot menu then the HDD is detected during bootup. The motherboard has four SATA2 ports (blue) and two SATA3 ports (white). Please test with the HDD connected to both types of ports. Use the F11 boot menu to see if it is detected. For the performance it makes no difference if the HDD is connected via SATA2 or SATA3. If the HDD is never detected then please check if you can feel any vibrations in the disk when you start the system. If you cannot feel anything then it could be related to (the connection to) the PSU. If the HDD is shown in the F11 boot menu then please try to boot from it. If it shows the Windows logo but then restarts then it could be related to a different SATA mode compared to your old system, or to drivers. Please try other settings for: BIOS > Advanced > Storage Configuration > SATA Operation Mode > IDE or AHCI (if the HDD is connected to a blue SATA2 port) BIOS > Advanced > Storage Configuration > Onboard SATA3 Operation Mode > IDE or AHCI (if the HDD is connected to a white SATA3 port) Please try starting Windows in safe mode. If that works then it might be related to drivers. Please uninstall all drivers, and then try to start Windows in normal mode and install the new motherboard drivers. If the HDD is detected but you cannot find a way to start Windows then please try a fresh Windows installation. Intel and AMD platforms are quite different, so a fresh Windows installation is advisable and may in some cases even be required. Thanks, ASRock Support ASRock Europe B.V. Bijsterhuizen 1111 6546AR Nijmegen The Netherlands Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on January 28, 2015, 12:55:15 PM +0000 "does the "loading window" screen mean the mb and cpu are all OK ?"
Yes, definately! Have you tried to let run any other booting CD or USB device? Have you tested if the W7 cd boots in your other PC? (Just abort any installation! But if it goes such far, the CD/DVD is ok) Do as I suggested, with a small Linux live system that will show you if there are any HW problems. I have an old 1GB stick and a CD with it allways in reserve, to proof any PC's HW is working correct as it will start every Computer. PS Just saw your Asrock answer... It's just what I say. Don't set the SATA to AHCI, set to IDE mode! The F11 should help to boot the W7 CD/DVD ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 01, 2015, 12:29:36 PM +0000 What a marathon that was !
Gave up with all the other options , bought a new hdd , and was able to get up and running with a new install of Win7 . had to use USB stick to load windows (thanks Axel) as the win7 disk refused to run . ( I found since that the dvd drive was ok for music disks but wouldn't run up to the higher speeds neccesary for data transfer ! Now hope to transfer my files ( GPL , GPL secrets etc ) to the new hdd , not sure what is the best way to do this ? thinking perhaps using a new partition for GPL files , disk size 1TB what do you think ? answers on a postcard please :) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 01, 2015, 05:29:40 PM +0000 That's how I do it with a fresh Windows, if you have W7 installed and made 2 partitions:
Do not connect any old HDD while installing W7 just the new one! To keep the C: and D: partion names fixed! Make c:\ ~ 100GB for W7 and a d:\ with the rest for the data After installing W7 just install all the drivers I mentioned above, then connect to the net and let W7 install all updates! Install GEM+ into C:\GPLSecrets copy GPL into d:\GPL Quote from: SRMZ-G.Spinning wrote There is no reason why GPL should not work in your new system. I installed, or passed GPL from one PC to another many times. This is what I do : 1) A fresh installation of GEM+ (must), if I install GPL for the first time in a new PC 2) A fresh installation of GPL with the latest installer, directly in the main driver :C/Sierra. (Not strictly necessary. I could also just copy my GPL folder from one PC to another) 3) Replace installer's tracks, cars, sounds or other folders with my preffered ones 4) Install new mod 5) Launch GEM+ and point to the rigth directory of (GEM) GPL! If I need to install GEM+ for a second time, I make sure to have deleted or renamed my previos GPLSecrets folder and there are no other sgem.ini file somewhere else. Btw, while writing I am thinking that there is the GPL installation step by step guide, prepared by Stephan explaing in detail some if not all, of the above points. Good luck. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 01, 2015, 09:51:30 PM +0000 OK I just d/l GEM but when I try to run the .exe my Norton av says its unsafe and has deleted it ::)
Also what is the best way to copy my GPL folder from the old hdd to my new hdd Thanks Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 01, 2015, 11:08:40 PM +0000 Switch off the real time scanner,
or just uninstall any Norton kraken. There are less restrictive free antivir softwares that have better scan results. ;) In those days the Norton Commander was a good tool ;D First you have to have a complete and updated W7, than connect your old HDD and copy the GPL folder to D:\ GPL Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 03, 2015, 09:44:41 PM +0000 Hi Axel
You say I should download and install GEM into my gpl secrets folder , I have copied gpl secrets from my old hdd and it has GEM & Igor in there Do I delete the existing GEM and install the NEW GEM or is it OK to overwrite the OLD GEM with NEW GEM ? Also how to get the desktop shortcuts for GPL GEM etc. ? sorry for the numpty questions and very glad you can help / advise :) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 04, 2015, 12:13:39 AM +0000 GEM needs a fresh install! Do it into C:\GPLSecrets
It makes big troubles if you copy it to the new W7 C:\ !!! Delete the copied folder and all files copied. With the installation you will get the shortcuts of GEM and IGOR on your desktop. Put the 60fpsxx.xml files into the C:\GPLSecrets\GEM\options folder and the ffb2.xml if you use forcefeedback. GEM indexes the GPL files to handle them. It's not a big deal to show GEM the installed GPL. Then activate the mods you use and set the graphics etc. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 04, 2015, 05:15:41 PM +0000 Bernie reading here about the GEM+ installation may help ;)
http://gplworld.org/easy-installation-guide.html Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 05, 2015, 03:16:01 PM +0000 Luck of the Devil ? My new HDD I spent hours configuring has died , fired her up and got the clickety click of death , on its way back to the maker for a replacement ::)
More than a bit cheesed off with this lot , thought it was just going to be a case of fitting the new cpu & mb in place of the old one , instead its turned into a marathon sized nightmare >:( >:( >:( Wish I'd left things as they were , unbroken ??? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 05, 2015, 03:24:23 PM +0000 Should I load logitech G25 drivers up before I run GEM
Do I connect my G25 before or after installing GEM , I mean does it make any difference ? ( chicken or egg syndrome ) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 05, 2015, 03:52:44 PM +0000 Bernie reading here about the GEM+ installation may help ;) http://gplworld.org/easy-installation-guide.html Reading that I'm thinking it might be better to do a complete new install ??? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 05, 2015, 03:56:24 PM +0000 Yes Bernie, before GEM install
- W7 complete with all HW drivers (incl G25) and all MS W7 updates - DX9 update (http://www.chip.de/downloads/c1_downloads_hs_getfile_v1_16091344.html?t=1423150941&v=3600&s=9f7da8643f7b53fb46c2a528d071e7fe) to have all MS DirectX files for older DX software - now GEM+ ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 05, 2015, 04:13:53 PM +0000 Yes Bernie,
I myself prefer to do a fresh GPL install first on a new PC with the 1.07 installer. Then GEM+ and if this works, I copy the "old" GPL besides the new folder and rename the new to GPLxx Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 07, 2015, 03:41:03 PM +0000 Cant get G25 wingman software to run , have run setup.exe and wingman shortcut is present in programes but when I click on it to set up the wheel .... NADA
Oh what fun ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 07, 2015, 04:16:40 PM +0000 Here you get the lgs510_x64.exe (http://support.logitech.com/product/g27-racing-wheel#download) this should work. First try other USB connector, not the blue USB3! Quote Answer to a customer of Logitech 1. Uninstall LGS from your computer. 2. Download LGS from the G25/27 Downloads Page and save the file. 3. Access the System Configuration Utility and go to selective startup mode. (FAQ 228) 4. Install LGS from the file that you have previously saved. 5. Check the settings and verify that the are all working properly. 6. Restore your system. (FAQ 228) 7. Launch LGS and check to see if the issue persists. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 08, 2015, 12:53:25 PM +0000 Thanks Axel can see the profiler now , no idea what to do with it mind but its good to know the puter can see the thing and its not totally blind like me :D
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 08, 2015, 01:24:26 PM +0000 You are right Bernie,
this profiler is pretty useless for GPL... BUT it prevents you from allways having to recallibrate the wheel when starting GPL! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 08, 2015, 03:04:40 PM +0000 I always did that anyway ::)
Jusst about ready to do the new install , the only thing I'm unsure of is have I the correct dx version installed ? wish me luck ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 08, 2015, 03:56:22 PM +0000 I just ran the Beta 1.07 installer as its the latest one ?
I have 2 GPL icons on my desktop , one points to GPL.exe the other to GPLC.exe Neither of these will load GPL , clicking on them I get a window with large icons (as if in safe mode ) , have to do cnt alt del and task manager to get back to normal desktop ! Not added GEM yet but thought GPL should run without this ? am I wrong here ? thought I would try it out before going further ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 08, 2015, 04:44:52 PM +0000 1.07 is the latest.
Read this: http://gplworld.org/easy-installation-guide.html and follow step by step. Have you updated the DirectX (http://www.chip.de/downloads/c1_downloads_hs_getfile_v1_16091344.html?t=1423150941&v=3600&s=9f7da8643f7b53fb46c2a528d071e7fe) as mentioned? Now test your "old" GPL by connecting the old HDD to the SATA3 and just start the gplc67.exe, if there are any problems just call. PS Don't follow Stefan's advice re the FFB settings!!! Just use the FFB2 patch of brr and set it the way the readme says. The linearity slider has to be full linear, nothing else. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 11:05:12 AM +0000 Axel
I did download the easy instalation guide , printed it off and followed the instructions DirectX is DX11 , I have ran DXdiag to check , all OK with no problems there . Not tried the old gpl hdd yet will give that a go thanks Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 11:23:28 AM +0000 This DirectX update is to support older versions than DX11 and GPL uses DX7 ;)
If you still get this error message window, please make a snapshot with alt+print and post it here (mouse click first on the window to make it active) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 11:52:48 AM +0000 This the one you mean ?
(http://picload.org/image/ciwdpco/untitled.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 11:55:26 AM +0000 have tried my other hdd the same result , funny thing there is no GPLc67 file but tried GPL.exe and all other exes same thing
could Norton AV be stopping the run ? how do i kill norton ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 12:21:57 PM +0000 OK , disabled Norton and no difference , dunno what else to try , just feel like giving the whole thing up , really fed up , going for a lie down might feel better tomorrow or next month
sorry , thanks for the help Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 12:25:06 PM +0000 No Bernie,
I want the error message when you start any GPLxx.exe ;) Have you tried to run it as admin? right click on the .exe and run as admin. In System configuration you should be able to uninstall Norton. ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 12:42:44 PM +0000 Axel there is no error message .
when I click gpl instead of loading the programe it goes to "windows desktop screen" the icons are all very large (like the graphics resolution is at the lowest setting 240x480 ? ) , nothing will work from here as the screen is frozen , the only way to get out is to use control-alt-del to run "task manager" close papyrus window and GPL from there and that will return me to normal desktop screen . cntrl print will not work from the frozen desktop screen hope this makes sense Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 01:08:46 PM +0000 (http://picload.org/image/ciwagdp/freeze.png)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 01:11:57 PM +0000 Axel
I have tried running GPL from my original papyrus CD It does exactly the same as if trying from the hdd must be a driver issue ? but where ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 01:12:44 PM +0000 Ah ok.
Wich graphics driver is installed? CatalystControlCenter version? So there is no problem with starting it but a graphic issue. The GPU has wrong info of GPL Can you edit the core.ini to Quote [RasterV2] Device=0 TossBiggestMips=0 MaxMipSize=0 MirrorSize= 0 DirectMirrorRendering= 0 DrawMethod= 1 ZBufferType= 1 AnisotropicFiltering= 4 TrilinearFiltering= 1 LODBias= -75 32Bit=1 Width= 1920 ; your monitors res Height= 1080 ; your monitors res FogDensity=1000 VSync= 1 and the app.ini Quote [ Graphics ] lastRasterizerDLL = ROGLV2.DLL ; Last rasterizer DLL selected Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 01:18:24 PM +0000 (http://picload.org/view/ciwarll/freeze2.png.html)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 01:19:48 PM +0000 (http://picload.org/view/ciwarpp/desktop.png.html)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 01:21:36 PM +0000 Ah ok. Wich graphics driver is installed? CatalystControlCenter version? So there is no problem with starting it but a graphic issue. The GPU has wrong info of GPL Can you edit the core.ini to Quote [RasterV2] Device=0 TossBiggestMips=0 MaxMipSize=0 MirrorSize= 0 DirectMirrorRendering= 0 DrawMethod= 1 ZBufferType= 1 AnisotropicFiltering= 4 TrilinearFiltering= 1 LODBias= -75 32Bit=1 Width= 1920 ; your monitors res Height= 1080 ; your monitors res FogDensity=1000 VSync= 1 and the app.ini Quote [ Graphics ] lastRasterizerDLL = ROGLV2.DLL ; Last rasterizer DLL selected Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 01:36:50 PM +0000 This should be the last ATI driver supporting your GPU!
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/legacy/13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 02:59:28 PM +0000 :jumpjoy:
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 03:00:33 PM +0000 Just need to sort GEM out now hope its an easier journey
Thanks Axel ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 05:01:21 PM +0000 Grats!
Was it the .ini or the GPU driver? For your little GPU you should not use Aero of W7, right click on desktop and on bottom choose the W7 basic design! Then download CCleaner (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner) and remove all unnecessary software installed by the mobo CD. In "extras" deactivate all unnecessary startups leave only the really needed programs. - antivir -CCC for GPU - sounddriver - logitech profiler Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 09, 2015, 09:32:38 PM +0000 Twas the driver ( I think ) what I did was go to control panel / device manager , click on video adapter , driver , update driver , let it do a web search where it came back with latest Gforce drivers .
Result !! to be honest I had been using the "on board" graphics assuming they were better than my "old" GForce 9500 GT which is a bit antique nowadays , I had assumed the new drivers came with the disk supplied by Asrock so was discounting them for being the trouble . still not sure if the onboard Intergrated Radion H3000 is best ? Do I delete GPL secrets before running GEMpackage installer ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 10:37:41 PM +0000 :o didn't you use a HD4650 :o the HWinfo pic says that...
The onboard graphics can be used as a backup but not for GPL ;) W7 aero is the high res windows design with see through frames, I see it in your last pic. ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 09, 2015, 10:41:24 PM +0000 Do I delete GPL secrets before running GEMpackage installer ? If it is on the old HDD not, you can keep it as backup, but if you have allready tried on the new one you must uninstall it and delete the folder. The GForce 9500 GT is one generation older and worse than the Radeon HD4650 (http://picload.org/image/cclrlao/bernie.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 10, 2015, 10:19:54 AM +0000 Quote If it is on the old HDD not, you can keep it as backup, but if you have allready tried on the new one you must uninstall it and delete the folder. These are the folders copied over from my "old" hdd I have re named GEM to OLDGEM the GPL secrets folder still exists as I copied it over from my old hdd , I thought this contains all my personal settings , can I still use this file in the new install or will it mess things up if I overwrite it ? Thanks for the reminder for the GPU . its a brain fade thing , I am in dire need of a transplant but I don't have the means as yet to do one ::) As you know , I struggle enough already with "computer brains" Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 10, 2015, 11:44:40 AM +0000 GEM+ needs a fresh install, as it makes the Windows indices of the GPL files, and those are written in the W7 registry!
So your old GEM install will never work! It will mess things up if you overwrite it! The GEM folder contains no settings as all personal stuff is stored in the core and app.ini. Keep it on your old HDD and just copy the GEM\options folder to the new install (let it overwrite), this contains the 60fps files needed. The only folder to save in the secrets is the GPLSetupManager if you use the actual version 2.20. Can you please make another snapshot of HWinfo64 summary so I can see that everything is working as it should. ::) (activate the HWInfo window by just clicking on it, use right alt+print to copy it then open paint and paste it, save as .jpeg and load it to http://picload.org/ ) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 10, 2015, 12:53:04 PM +0000 Axel
Please note I changed the gpu and since this my g25 wheel will not work ! i did search for latest gpu driver and installed that , matbe this has caused the problem ? (http://picload.org/image/cpggadp/untitled.png) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 10, 2015, 01:44:25 PM +0000 This is the direct download for this GPU!
As the HD4650 is no longer supported by the new drivers you have to use this legacy version. http://support.amd.com/de-de/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy2&os=Windows%207%20-%2064 Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 10, 2015, 02:03:40 PM +0000 Your Ram should run 933 or 800 but not 666, this must be fixed in bios!
Quote from: manual bios OC tweaker Memory Configuration Memory Clock This item can be set by the code using [Auto]. You can set one of the standard values as listed: [400MHz DDR3_800], [533MHz DDR3_1066], [667MHz DDR3_1333], [800MHz DDR3_1600] and [933MHz DDR3_1866]. DRAM Voltage Use this to select DRAM voltage. The default value is [Auto]. OC tweaker Memory Configuration Memory Clock -> 933 DRAM Voltage -> 1,5V Have you set in bios Primary Graphics Adapter -> Pcie Internal Graphics Mode -> disabled Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 10, 2015, 04:58:28 PM +0000 I haven't played with any bios settings yet , been more interested in getting GPL back up including GEM & iGOR but thanks for the tips ;)
I downloaded the catalyst drivers , cant say they have made a difference yet but they should improve overall performance Problem now is getting my G25 wheel to work , maybe try unloading logitech software and drivers , then re- installing it ? Well it looks like the wheel is kaput as the pedals are OK ??? It never rains but pours on some of us ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 10, 2015, 07:47:50 PM +0000 First try other USB slot!
Keep allways the same slot for G25. If not try just a repair install, it asks for it, starting setup ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 10, 2015, 10:33:14 PM +0000 what are all these multi entry for ?
(http://picload.org/image/cpgogoo/hid.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Turkey Machine on February 10, 2015, 11:15:36 PM +0000 Bernie, they may be as a result of Windows recognising the device in a new USB port rather than an existing point, and having to create the device in order to keep track of it.
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 10, 2015, 11:28:01 PM +0000 cheers
doesnt look like a software issue I can calibrate all the pedals and levers , gas brake gears clutch .... everything but the steering which is dead . I think the problem lies in the cable from the wheel to the usb port , maybe I have snagged it at some time , thinking back It has been a bit erratic previously Will give it a good dose of looking at tomorrow :) Thanks for the input :) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 12:26:19 AM +0000 Is this in GPL?
Than nothing is wrong!!! ;D You have to go to the menue where you assign the wheel functions and click on the steering then move it and it will work ;D You can also make settings in Windows -> Gamecontroller - the slewing range - (I use 480°) must be set! - let the game overwrite the settings (http://picload.org/image/cpgocla/wheel.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 01:00:14 PM +0000 I don't have either of those Axel
(OR I do but cant find them anywhere on my system !) Also note that Logitech gaming software 64 now refuses to launch , I tried a re - install from the Logitech disk , still no good . Have tried my wheel back on the old PC , I get the same result which is all OK except for the steering which can't be calibrated . Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 01:03:41 PM +0000 Just got this ................. the latest in the Saga !
(http://picload.org/image/cpglcow/prodkey.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 01:55:15 PM +0000 Of course you have to activate W7! Not a big deal!
W7 is a single PC license, so you must have a key for it. When you change massive HW parts on your PC, MS wants you to reactivate it. Just use the free "automated phone system" , have a pencil, paper and the serial and lots of patience... Do never connect 2 different PC's with the same W7 serial to the net!!! Once you have activated new HW the old PC has to stay offline or W7 removed! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 01:58:01 PM +0000 My problem is that all my software is in german language and I have no idea how the english names are...
Try this with connected G25 - Right click on the Logitech Profiler in the tray bar - click on the second ~ Gamecontroler - double click on G25 racing wheel - now you can see and feel if your wheel works, be carefull with the buttons! - click on settings right bottom - voila Now you can use it with GPL! You did not tell me yet if you want to calibrate the G25 in GPL... I told you to first assign the wheel functions in GPL! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 04:28:49 PM +0000 Clicking on the profiler in tray bar does nothing , nix
Clicking on Launch Logitech gaming software in start menu gives me this ........... (http://picload.org/image/cpgigrw/g25.jpg) but the wheel movement does nothing it is kaput Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 04:44:30 PM +0000 What happens when you push a button?
Does the cable has any visible damage? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 04:54:08 PM +0000 All cables are OK with no damage as far as I can see
24v supply is OK push buttons work paddle shift works pedals work when I turn the wheel I can feel some resistance from the FF but it does nothing in game calibration screen or to the logi controller Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 05:02:18 PM +0000 Using windows troubleshoot device from control panel gave this , looks interesting !
1000:1 thats not the problem though :P (http://picload.org/image/cpgirda/troubleshooter.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 05:32:17 PM +0000 OMG
sometimes is better to not make panic uninstalls and overinstalls... I do not believe in a HW failure! I have good knowledge of the inside of G25... But why does it not work with other PC? You have to boot W7 into save mode! Pressing the F8 button before windows starts. You will have to give your admin PW and get a minimized W7. Let G25 be unplugged! Do uninstall all Logitech software! Reboot Now you can try again to make an install... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 06:05:14 PM +0000 thanks but I have been doing that all day , not in safe mode but uninstall / re install , tried different usb ports , tried windows restore to earlier restore point .
my other pc has fully working gpl so you would expect the wheel to be OK on that but it is not so ! everything was OK on the new pc untill I changed the GPU for the radeon 4650 and added the catalyst drivers for that . How can a change of gpu cause this problem ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 06:24:50 PM +0000 You cannot mix 2 different display drivers and expect all will work fine, Windows is a fragile capricious OS that never forgets..
By doing a windows restore to earlier restore point you get those old wrong stuff bac again! Have you removed that old NVidia drivers from that GPU in save mode? I suppose it is the same in your old PC... Go in save mode and use this DDU utility (http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html) Uninstall all AMD and Nvidia display drivers and delete the folders! Uninstall Logitech Profiler ! Reboot and start with installing the AMD legacy driver I pointed to you. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 07:37:18 PM +0000 thanks
Is Elite unzip safe to download or is there something better ? I had 7 unzip on my other PC Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 07:41:38 PM +0000 just download 7zip
The best Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 08:21:35 PM +0000 downloaded zip
try tto d/l DDU utility , Google chrome blocks the download as unsafe go to internet options , changed settings , download file 13.6.4.2 use 7 zip file manager have a load of stuff on there now which I dont understand ??? I mean I dont know which of the unzipped files to run . will post them up perhaps you can explain which one/s I need ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 11, 2015, 08:29:37 PM +0000 (http://picload.org/image/cpgipcw/863984.jpg)
On the bright side at least I know how to post pictures on here if nothing else :D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2015, 09:34:14 PM +0000 download file 13.6.4.2 gives you an [Guru3D.com]-DDUv13642.exe you have to run.. (is this your PC or goggels?)
The download is safe! let it extract to a folder of your choice. -> (C:\DDU) I have no idea what all your "super safety" software does to your PC... Seems to have deleted the "Display Driver Uninstaller.exe", its the bottom of your list file! What for do you want to use 7zip? Not needed... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2015, 11:59:04 AM +0000 Bernie can you please check if your Windows update has installed KB3004394 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12872.msg232159#new)
You will find it by right clicking on the little white flag in tray bar and "open update" then look for installed updates. This MS patch is known to cause massive troubles with GPU drivers and USB drivers! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 12, 2015, 12:45:14 PM +0000 That would be this one then but think the update was done after the trouble with the wheel ?
(http://picload.org/image/cpgwwoi/winupdate.jpg) File 13.6.4.2 was being blocked by Google Chrome ( God knows why ? maybe its corrupted in some way ! ) The next file up from that downloaded OK as it had the Guru3D.com in there , I have run that in safe mode as you suggested , thanks both files came to me with 7zip logo I assumed they were zipped files , anyway I think the drivers have been swept clean now so will go ahead re installing them as soon as you say OK Sorry I'm not on top form at the moment , have been ill for past 2 weeks with a bad cold & chest infection , I think its affected my already badly damaged brain cells . Just want you to know I really appreciate the valuable help you are giving to a grumpy old codger :) thanks ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 12, 2015, 01:05:28 PM +0000 I have manually uninstalled Logitech software
There is a program "ATI catalyst install manager ", Is this the one to use to re install drivers or do I need to delete this and d/l again ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2015, 01:16:34 PM +0000 Do get rid of this malware of MS!
Just uninstall it as of MS recommended themselves... (look for the "installed updates" right click on it -> uninstall) Have you looked into the linked pages? I got it installed yesterday too! http://www.ghacks.net/2014/12/11/how-to-remove-installed-windows-updates-and-block-them-afterwards/ http://www.anandtech.com/show/8782/win7-driver-issues-microsoft-amd-recommend-uninstalling-kb3004394 and http://www.pcworld.com/article/2859120/windows-7-users-urged-to-uninstall-broken-update-that-wreaks-havoc-on-software.html ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Now you can install first the ATI driver C:\AMD\support\13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql -> setup.exe If you have not -> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/legacy/13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe Then Logitech Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 12, 2015, 04:20:45 PM +0000 OK Axel ,Bad news finished all the tasks and guess what ............
Still no freekin wheel :o Just the same as before :'( I did notice that in GPL both axis 0 (steering) and axis 1 (use for accelerator ) are inoperative Axis 2, 3, 4, are OK ! not sure what that tells us, ive tried searching the web and have no clues :( Only conclusion I can draw is the wheel is faulty ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2015, 05:13:43 PM +0000 Does it calibrate when you start W7 or reconnect it?
Is it the same in Windoof Gamecontroler settings? Do you know somebody with a PC where you can test it, and Logitech was never installed. You need just the wheel, no pedals or shifter and a stick with the soft... or there is a local PC store... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 12, 2015, 05:44:21 PM +0000 My dear wife has a desktop pc but she is reluctant to let me use it for experiment , perhaps tomorrow when she is out i could sneek the software on and try it , then delete before she comes home ::)
we have 3 laptops one of these has win7 others with xp could try it out on those as they have never been used for gaming ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2015, 05:59:36 PM +0000 Does it Auto calibrate when you start W7 or reconnect it? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: NickyIckx on February 12, 2015, 07:00:41 PM +0000 ??? Bernie how know axes 0 = is for steering and axes 1 for throttle ????
sure you dont miss to click that golden arrow in GPL calibration menu , which let you see all axes GPL think are present ? only moving ,for example the wheel , while watching all these GPL axes will show you ,which one GPL decided to be the wheels axis. ( slider is moving ). but guess as long windows doesnt know that there is a Logitech controller around , for sure GPL wont know as well. So best to follow Axel advises & questions !!! sure you did use right Logitech software for WIN7 (64bit ? ) sorry if I double ask, its not my intention to make this all more complicated :) good luck Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 12, 2015, 08:02:26 PM +0000 Yes I checked those and new about the page 2 for calibrations .
I have now checked my wheel on Toshiba A60 laptop windowsXL the result just the same , buttons and paddle shifts OK , no action from the wheel . Looks like a faulty wheel , either connections or the pot could be nadged , It could be a mechanical fault assuming the pot is gear driven ? The USB lead is hard wired to the wheel so I could quite easily test and repair or swop this out once I get inside the thing I will be having a go at it as I am now convinced this is the culprit . Next step , to find out the best way to crack it open , off for a Google right now . :) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 13, 2015, 12:45:21 PM +0000 First check if the PSU works correct with 24V output!
I just revived my G25 to find it does the same as yours without power connected! Read that the UK PSU cable often is defect! Replace with one of a Laptop to test http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-G-Controllers/G27-wheel-not-responding-everything-else-works/td-p/419108?nobounce Here is the best disassembling thread of a G27(just a little other platine in the wheel!) -> http://www.jlvrh.de/G27_UK.htm This is the rotation angle sensor sitting under a black cap on a motor (http://picload.org/image/cprawdl/g27_17.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 13, 2015, 03:23:45 PM +0000 Hi Axel
The 24v supply is OK , I tested it using 2x 12v lamps stripping the case allowed me to measure the supply when connected to the wheel, I found it was tripping the supply out ( 24v continuously pulsing to zero ) ! I have removed everything from the main circuit board all connectors , motors etc . but it still trips the supply volts with all these out Currently I'm checking the circuit board out but can find no fault as yet , all I can say is it isn't any of the capacitor , diode or wired in resistor , they all test OK when removed so looking like one of the SMD's or the bord itself faulty . There are no visible signs of overheating or any other physical damage , just 1 resistor is reading high (5 ohms instead of 0.15 ) most likely my ohm meter reading out at very low range ! I am searching now to find a replacement circuit board or maybe its a new wheel ? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 13, 2015, 03:51:55 PM +0000 Have you looked under the black cover? For the rotation angle sensor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEe6j8KOxU Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 13, 2015, 04:51:45 PM +0000 Axel the fault is with the circuit board , no point stripping the motors as I have isolated them , the circuit board wont power up from the 24volt supply , the fault still shows even with the motors disconnected .
I'm going to change what parts I can , diodes , capacitors , if things still the same its gonna be a bin job . Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 13, 2015, 05:30:24 PM +0000 As far as I understand, there are 2 power circuits
- one is powered by the USB 5V and this are the electronic devices that work - other is powered by the PSU and is only needed to power the 2 motors for FFB IMO these two circuits come together in this rotation angle sensor board to control and steer the power to the motors. If there is no signal to let E-power pass there will be none... Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 13, 2015, 10:45:15 PM +0000 We can only guess at how the circuit works but yes the 24v will surely be for the servo motors and a 5v supply needed for the logic circuits . what we don't know without seeing any wiring diagram is if the 5v logic is derived from the 24v supply or comes direct from the USB ? or could it be a bit of both ?
I suspect the logic circuits might drain a bit too much current for USB to supply , most likely these are used solely for Data transfer Trying to trace the circuit out is impossible as the PCB is multi layered , a lot of the parts are microscopic , all seems to be run by an EPROM . I'm trying to isolate parts of it to narrow down the search to one component but its mostly a guessing game . Almost 20 years past since I did any electronics repairs , the rust has gone very deep ! I took a peek at the motor the position sensor looks fine Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 13, 2015, 11:50:45 PM +0000 The USB 5V seems enough for the logic circuits, as I testet my old G25 with no PSU just with the USB and had all functions you had too.
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 14, 2015, 10:35:10 AM +0000 Bernie look here -> https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/76589-Repair-guide-G25%3A-Wheel-not-recognised,-dim-shifter-light-%2B-PSU-working
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 14, 2015, 12:50:59 PM +0000 Yes I was looking at that and checked out the mosfets which seem to be OK as far as I can tell ,I d/l the data sheets for these to check the pin outs but most of the circuit needs a microscope to see them .
There is one part similar in appearance to a 1/4 watt resistor but a plain green colour stamped with " 3 1/2 ALF " , no idea what this is but think it must be some kind of filter (coil) as its in series with the supply Vs So far I have been unable to find any faults on the main board . Interesting what you say about testing all functions without the power connection and just USB , from what you say the power supply is all to do with FF which I never used . When I switch the PC power on , the wheel has always spun from left to right a few times during boot . Now it doesn't spin at all since the fault started ! There are 2 LED lights on the shifter ( I dont use the shifter , just the paddles ) the lh one will light up the right hand side is dead , Is this the power led ? I had another look at the positional sensor in daylight and there is a tiny crack in the disk , its a "bit" loose on the motor shaft but if I spin the motor by turning the wheel I can see the disk spins OK on the shaft . Of coarse its possible the disk has moved laterally along the motor shaft instead of being central so I am going to put things back together and test again without the power connection Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 15, 2015, 10:41:53 AM +0000 Axel do you have or know anyone with G25 wheel who can test the wheel only without power & pedals connected .
Only the USB connection to see if it works Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 15, 2015, 11:14:45 AM +0000 Bernie I still have the G25 ;)
And I testet it as you want, result is: all buttons + paddles show function but no wheel turning recognized. Only with the power connected the wheel turning is recognized. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 15, 2015, 11:30:36 AM +0000 Thanks matey , I just ordered some parts to repair the board , it looks like the MOSFETS are duff , at least one is because I have isolated that and the power has been OK without it .
Connect the power and the motors will run which is a good sign , touch wood I can get them swopped without damaging the PCB , surgeons hands needed to do the job ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 21, 2015, 10:38:50 PM +0000 Good news , After a long struggle I finally managed to get it working :)
but there are issues which need a fix ! The wheel works OK GPL BUT , when car sat in pits the wheel rotates very slowly to the right (clockwise) Can't calibrate axis 1 wheel = axis 0 gas = axis 2 brake=axis 3 clutch = axis 4 all gears , buttons are OK not sure if its wheel set up stuff or driver issues but at least I can drive :clap: Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 22, 2015, 01:09:00 AM +0000 This is caused usually by the rotation angle sensor when it is not fixed or has a crack...
What have you done to fix it? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 22, 2015, 10:35:32 AM +0000 Its fixed that was an easy job , so cant be that . the wheel is centering OK and its fine when driving .
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 22, 2015, 11:15:59 AM +0000 Fantastic ! I tried the FF settings , now GPL wont run !
GPL loads as far as the join race screen , click on green button to join race and get stupid message saying GPL has a fault , have to do control - alt - del to get back out . Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 24, 2015, 11:11:42 AM +0000 GPL wont load at all now
FSC's I hate them >:( Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 24, 2015, 12:05:30 PM +0000 Delete all gpl**.exes (except the gpl.exe) in GPL folder
Start GEM and let it rebuilt them. Look at my settings: (http://picload.org/image/cpigpci/ffb2.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 24, 2015, 02:18:24 PM +0000 Well that was fun . did as you said and still got the same results ! Went into GEM & set the graphics resolution from there , and viola ! All up and running :)
Cant believe it but my wheel is now working perfect ! only thing is the pedal axis are very strange . Brake and accelerator share the same axis 1 Accelerate (gas pedal) uses combined axis 1 & 2 . Brake pedal using combined axis 1 & 3 . Clutch pedal axis 4 not worried by this as the car drives fine and don't see a problem . Just relieved to find it all OK at last ! Now have to get the other mods installed and maybe speed up the CPU & RAM to optimum settings but that can wait for another day . looking at upgrade my GPU next and new monitor :D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 24, 2015, 03:09:42 PM +0000 In the Windows gamecontroller settings, there is a checkbox to not use combined axis ;)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 24, 2015, 10:08:28 PM +0000 I got the 65 mod installed , its good
Cant get into SRMZ for the 66 , 69 69 Xtra mods , patches ??? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 25, 2015, 01:14:36 AM +0000 Look here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/) UKGPL3 has them ;)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: EvilClive on February 25, 2015, 01:31:58 PM +0000 For those contemplating an upgrade, although after following this thread I doubt that anyone will try !!! lol
Just got this in my "inbox" this morning ::) http://www.ebuyer.com/blog/2015/02/gaming-pc-for-under-500/?event=cct&mp=6&mid=9533&tuid=502077&utm_source=2015-02-25&utm_medium=campaign_email&utm_campaign=B2C_Regular_FS Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 25, 2015, 02:36:09 PM +0000 If somebody proposes a 500W no name PSU for 20 Pound... ::)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 25, 2015, 03:27:01 PM +0000 For those contemplating an upgrade, although after following this thread I doubt that anyone will try !!! lol Just got this in my "inbox" this morning ::) http://www.ebuyer.com/blog/2015/02/gaming-pc-for-under-500/?event=cct&mp=6&mid=9533&tuid=502077&utm_source=2015-02-25&utm_medium=campaign_email&utm_campaign=B2C_Regular_FS No worries , I think I got everyone else's share of misfortune ( I'm being polite here ) but if I had to do it over again think I would have gone with Intel ! Back on TOPIC which of these do I need ? ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1966/ (http://ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1966/) ? find it very confusing though it doesnt take much to addle my brain these days ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 25, 2015, 03:29:00 PM +0000 If somebody proposes a 500W no name PSU for 20 Pound... ::) Axel I think he got those prices are from the pound shop ;D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 25, 2015, 04:13:56 PM +0000 Just take the 2 folders, install 1.1 and then patch 2.0, READ the readme!!!
Wich trouble did you have caused by AMD parts? Exept AMD saves you good money for a GPU upgrade! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 25, 2015, 11:15:28 PM +0000 Quote READ the readme!!! I did , it didnt make any sense to me . Quote Wich trouble did you have caused by AMD parts? Exept AMD saves you good money for a GPU upgrade! Typo ! I meant Asrock mb , but it leads to the same thing afaik A lot of time (too much time ) was wasted trying to get the stupid thing to read my HDD which it refused to do . The tech guys at Asrock exlplained that there were big differences between AMD & Intel platforms and that it might be necessary to do a fresh windows install to fix things which I didn't really want to do . Solved that with a new HDD bought at extra cost and more time wasted when the new hdd went tits up and had to be replaced . Add to that the driver pronblems for a new system adding confusion over weather the wheel was software or a hardware problem , if I could have simply fitted my old HDD to the new MB and PCU as planned originally and the wheel went faulty , we wouldnt have spent 2 weeks trying to fix the software having been led up the garden path ! Add to that the fact that the AMD PCU & Asrock mb package makes a very noisy machine compared to my old Intel PC , also the case fan sounds like its gonna take off its so loud and when it boots up there is a very loud BANG from the loudspeakers which I think will probably damage the cones over time . Just hoping now the effort has been worthwhile , I've certainly learned a lot from the experience Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 12:30:17 AM +0000 Quote if I could have simply fitted my old HDD to the new MB and PCU as planned originally I assure you this would have never happened! W7 is very much bound to the installed machine, so the intel drivers of your old MB would never have worked with any new intel board! It was never a problem of the MB to read your HDD! It was allways a Windows7 problem not accepting intel drivers with an AMD board! _____________________________________________________________________________ The CPU fan should be quiet, if it is connected correct with its 4pin Powermonitor This is a weird default in bios: fans set to full on! :o Set it in BIOS - H/W Monitor - CPU fan settings - to Automatic Mode! (If there are steps choose 3) The same game with the case fan, set it to manual and choose a low number! ______________________________________________________________________________ 66s install version 1.1 then delete the files suggested in the readme of 2.0 (a must!) then install patch 2.0 _________________________________________________________________________________ Can you give me 2 more pictures please, to look at the new system now. HWinfo64 -> Sensors only + Summary only This would show me if there are any necessary settings in bios left to be done ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 10:10:32 AM +0000 Quote I assure you this would have never happened! W7 is very much bound to the installed machine, so the intel drivers of your old MB would never have worked with any new intel board! It was never a problem of the MB to read your HDD! It was allways a Windows7 problem not accepting intel drivers with an AMD board! My old HDD was tried and worked fully on 2 other machines , one of those had previously win7 installed the other had win XP niether of the HDD's from these machines would work with the Asrock AMD PC which led me to believe that the mb must have been faulty , only with a new instal of win7 could the problem be solved . How can I take my NEW hdd out of this case and fit to the OLD PC Intel cpu and Asus mb and it runs fine ? Surely not all mb's have this problem , if so I would expect more cases to be reported on the subject ! I did web search and spoke to technical dept. at CCL computers (the supplier) They never mentioned it , in fact they said they thought mb was at fault and wanted me to return it which I almost did . It was only after talking to Asrock technical that I could find the problem , they were the only one to suggest a new windows install was needed and that was after they suggested trying several other options first . In any case we were led up the garden path twice and thanks to your help and input were able to sort things out . Your advice and help very much appreciated ! Again Thanks ! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 11:53:56 AM +0000 Bernie the more people you will ask for advice, the more different answers you will get...
The main problem is Windows policy to protect their software! With XP it was pretty easy to move a system HDD to a new PC. But W7 does even make troubles if you change a GPU or CPU as this parts have IDs, W7 has to register by calling MS! With W8 or W10 this will get worse! Could you solve the fan noise? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 12:16:05 PM +0000 Changed the fan settings but still very noisey , whichever number i use doesn't seem to make much difference ???
cant see how to do HWINFO64 sensors only , the start screen for this button is greyed out ! I found this and wonder if its possibly upsetting the fan ? http://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Crash-on-custom-auto-fan-setting Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 12:22:11 PM +0000 http://picload.org/image/cpiwcrl/amdsystemsummary.jpg
(http://picload.org/image/cpiwcrl/amdsystemsummary.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 01:06:27 PM +0000 Changed the fan settings but still very noisey , whichever number i use doesn't seem to make much difference ??? I can't see the bios fan settings in the manual, can you make a snapshot with a camera ?The settings will become active only after a restart, in bios mode the CPU is allways in full throttle state! cant see how to do HWINFO64 sensors only , the start screen for this button is greyed out ! You have to uncheck the summary first ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 01:16:07 PM +0000 I found this and wonder if its possibly upsetting the fan ? http://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Crash-on-custom-auto-fan-setting This is an intel board problem! Please give me the CPU temperature given in bios, this shows if the CPU cooler is correct mounted! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 05:24:22 PM +0000 Is this OK
(http://picload.org/image/cppraoa/fan01.jpg) CPU temp = 42C MB temp = 32C CPU Fan speed = 1900 Fan1 = 2486 Shows the same Fan speed regardless of setting 1-9 Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 06:21:46 PM +0000 The chassis fan is running too high if it is bigger than 8x8cm! Set it manual in lowest number.
The CPU fan is ok, regarding the full throttle 43C°, it will automatic fall down in idle mode to < 35C° 1500min Now go into Windows and let it idle for a while then make a snapshot of the HWinfo sensors with the temps, Voltage and RPMs Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 10:00:05 PM +0000 Axel The fan is set to lowest number , it does not change whichever number I set it to , the same 2486 rpm's
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 11:04:22 PM +0000 (http://picload.org/image/cpparll/sensor01.jpg)
(http://picload.org/image/cpparcd/sensor02.jpg) (http://picload.org/image/cpparci/sensor03.jpg) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 26, 2015, 11:14:54 PM +0000 Does the case fan have a 3 or a 4 pin cable ?
There are 2 possible connectors on the MB - PWR_FAN1 and CHA_FAN1 Only the CHA_FAN1 can be controlled if the fan has 4 cables with PWM! Try the PWR_FAN1 as alternative for the revs. Maybe the case fan is not necessary for cooling if the PSU is mounted on top rear and it has the big fan. The CPU looks fine and is IMO over cooled by the high revs of the fan. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 11:40:26 PM +0000 its 3 wire cable to 4 pin socket ( Chassis fan connector ) but can only connect to pins 2,3,4 due to key slot on plug/socket .
options are :- chassis fan (CHA-FAN1) CPU fan ( CPU-FAN1) Power fan connector (PWR-FAN1) only cpu fan & chassis fan can be set in BIOS have tried power fan connection results same speed RPM as for chassis fan . Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 26, 2015, 11:48:11 PM +0000 Axel , look here , posts 3 & 6 look interesting ???
http://forums.tweaktown.com/motherboards/52369-chassis-fan-not-adjusting.html (http://forums.tweaktown.com/motherboards/52369-chassis-fan-not-adjusting.html) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 27, 2015, 12:18:47 AM +0000 Yes post 6 is exactly what I mean!
So you will have to leave it noisy, unplug it as not necessary or buy a fan with PWM 4cables... I just tested the stock fan of my FX 6300 on my old Asrock board and it goes down to 1500min when set to 3 in bios. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 27, 2015, 09:14:09 AM +0000 If the case fan makes no difference on both sockets and is still running full, even you set it low...
Do you leave the bios with saving the settings? F10? Maybe you should call the guy of Asrock again and ask him. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 27, 2015, 09:55:25 AM +0000 I have unplugged it for now to get some peace and quiet , surely will need it back when summer comes along and things start to get hot ::)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Billy Nobrakes on February 27, 2015, 03:45:20 PM +0000 I check on this thread every now & then to see how Lazarus (Bernie's computer) is getting on.
Hope it's all functional for the start of the season. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 27, 2015, 04:22:10 PM +0000 Lazerus is doing fine , another couple of months should see me back ::)
I am thinking selling the film rights , might even be an Oscar job ;D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 27, 2015, 04:53:03 PM +0000 "Bernie in Modern Times" ;D
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: EvilClive on February 27, 2015, 07:16:50 PM +0000 Bernie I think you are a hero mate.
If I had stumbled into the maze of problems that you and Axel have worked through, I would either have a very large pile of scrap electronic components or a permanent residence in a psychiatric establishment!!!! I sincerely hope that you are now at the correct end of a very dark tunnel. ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 27, 2015, 10:43:28 PM +0000 Thanks !
I'm awarding Axel the triple B award ( Blue Bernie Badge ) :o Wear it with pride, they are very rare ;D Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on February 27, 2015, 10:48:34 PM +0000 Which GPU ?
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/gpu-amd/1564/1552/1591/1540/1749/1559/1553/1653?utm_campaign=Scanzone+Issue+28+27%252f02%252f15&utm_source=scanshot&utm_medium=email (http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/gpu-amd/1564/1552/1591/1540/1749/1559/1553/1653?utm_campaign=Scanzone+Issue+28+27%252f02%252f15&utm_source=scanshot&utm_medium=email) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on February 27, 2015, 11:45:39 PM +0000 #3 -> LN54428 - ASUS R9270-DC2OC-2GD5
DirectCU II achieves 20% lower temps and 6X greater airflow than reference design. Should be quiet ;) But if you want to invest a little add a CPU cooler with low noise fan. I have 2 of those! (http://www.alpenföhn.de/index.php/en/cpu-cooler/panorama) It costs ~ 20€ here and beats much bigger coolers in cooling! This can be easy fixed like the stock cooler (no screws) ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 01, 2015, 10:18:26 AM +0000 OK
I started installing the mods , 65 , 66, 69, 69X, F2, everything fine d/l and install all tracks needed for mods to run . After each mod or track added I tested it to see if OK , No problems everything fine ! instal of 60 fps tested OK , dowloaded Spa 67 , tried this with F2 65 67 impressed with the frame rate ! Now 66mod wont run , it stops at the first screen , the one with with picky of Spa? pit lane with SIERRA SPORTS legend at top rhs . The only thing done since testing all ok was to download some extra tracks , I have tried rebuilding gpl66c.exe with GEM , have run patch inspector , seems OK . Head scratching but run out of ideas now ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 01, 2015, 11:07:30 AM +0000 For 66s read fester's post in the 66s registration thread ;)
Quote 66_Patch_v2.0 IMPORTANT NOTE 1 It is ESSENTIAL to remove the gpl66 folder from mods/gem+ before installing this version. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 01, 2015, 12:08:21 PM +0000 Axel I did remove that folder , all was working well with 66mod and all other mods installed ok
now it decides to go on strike ::) Will have a look for festers post , thanks Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 01, 2015, 01:17:31 PM +0000 66 strikes on Spa67 only?
With 60fps wich patch? Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 01, 2015, 08:32:44 PM +0000 66 mod went "on strike "
as in ,"it stopped working " " it downed tools " "it withdrew its labour " ;D of coarse Germans dont go on strike , its an old british disease . Almost irradicated now by large dose's of " Maggie Thatchers Strike Remedy" ;) 60fpsnewmod Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 02, 2015, 09:06:47 AM +0000 Didn't festers trick work?
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 02, 2015, 11:38:54 AM +0000 Not plucked up enough courage to try that yet !
Problem now is Windows sent message today to say my windows licence has expired , and must activate product key ! I have a genuine copy of win7 Home Premium but when I type the key in it bounces back saying it cant activate with my key . Asks me to buy another licence ! Yea thats going to happen ??? I have a black screen desktop and message in bottom rhs says "this copy of windows is not genuine " This has happened once before since I changed my HDD and loaded win7 on , I typed the key in and was OK but not this time . Will probably have to contact them about this but it doesnt look easy . Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 02, 2015, 11:49:10 AM +0000 Not a big deal!
That is normal, as I told you before, you can't use the same W7 licence on 2 PCs! You have to register it again! Just call the free phone number, have a pencil and paper and lots of patience ;) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 03, 2015, 09:33:14 PM +0000 You were right about the patience !
Festers trick was a no no still have no 66mod :'( Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 04:40:22 PM +0000 Seems like its the 60 fps patches , I deleted them and all of the mods work fine .
perhaps I had the wrong patches installed , do you know which the correct ones are ? Thanks Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 04, 2015, 04:57:39 PM +0000 As long you do not play any offline championships...
C:\GPLSecrets\GEM+\Options should have 60FPSv1.xml for 69X and Sport Cars 60fpsv2newmod.xml for 65, 66, 67 and CanAm71 ffb2.xml for the FFB Make shure that only one 60fps patch is checked in GEM for a mod! If you just drive the 65, 66 and 67s you will only need 60fpsv2newmod.xml Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 05:49:42 PM +0000 No good Axel No idea what I'm doing wrong.
Cant get 66mod to run with 60fpsv2newmod , 65 67 mod are OK its just the 66mod . (works fine with 30fps ) and I don't have can am installed Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 04, 2015, 06:00:32 PM +0000 I successfully installed as follows: Mod: existing 1966 mod installed Steps: 1) Delete directory "gpl66" from within the sierra/gpl/mods/gem+ directory (or wherever you installed GPL) 2) Run 66 patch v2.0 - if in doubt, study the readme file as it's very useful 3) Delete gplc66.exe from your sierra/gpl directory 4) Run GEM+, select your 66 player or carset, enter GPL 5) Confirm you can still get into the various tracks fullscreen 6) Exit GPL, enable 60fpsv2newmod, go back into GPL, re-test The above confirmed that 60fpsv2newmod worked successfully on my usual GPL install. Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 10:07:25 PM +0000 Fantastic , I did that Turkey machine stuff , go to try GPL now the bloody G25 wheel isn't being recognised !
So I check the logi profiler. cant get that to fix things so I delete it put the Logi CD in to do re install and now the bloody CD drive has gone tits up :helpsmilie: WTF did I do to deserve this must have walked under a fire engine or something ::) Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 10:21:31 PM +0000 OK panic over , remebered the Lgt510 file thing and ran that , fixed the wheel , now need to get the 60 fps patches installed again
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 10:59:58 PM +0000 I think we are all up and running , surprising how giving the thing a good cursing can work wonders :)
Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: Cookie on March 04, 2015, 11:01:46 PM +0000 GRATS
now keep it! Title: Re: death of a computer ? Post by: bernie on March 04, 2015, 11:32:15 PM +0000 was going to install the GT and Ca Am mods but think I will leave well alone for a while :)
Got to say thar GPL runs better than ever , brilliant graphic detail , everything turned full on and the colour is so much better than with my old PC thinking no need to upgrade the GPU now but will see how she goes , did have some stutter during road test on the tight turns of claremont ferrand although the 60 fps was solid enough with the Ai and all cars running will see how we go on line ! Cheers again Axel for the help |