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Title: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: BadBlood on March 13, 2015, 12:02:20 PM +0000
Season 28 Historics Trophy - Round 1 - Monza

Welcome to the season opener for the Historic cars. The 66 chassis is well suited to the Autodromo Nazionale, Monza.

The race track is located near the city of Monza, north of Milan, in Italy. The circuit's biggest event is the Formula One Italian Grand Prix, which has been hosted there since the sport's inception.

The 1966 race saw the race won by Italian driver Ludovico Scarfiotti driving a Ferrari 312 in his only Grand Prix victory. Scarfiotti led home his British team mate Mike Parkes by five seconds. Parkes only just defeated New Zealand racer Denny Hulme in his Brabham BT20, the pair separated by less than half a second.

This race is for 3 LITRE cars. There is no handicapping

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_9
IP address = 37.157.48.87
Race date = 17-03-2015
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time (21:30 GMT)
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Monza - Papyrus original
Variant = 66F1
Damage Model = Pro
Race length = 33 Laps (50 minutes)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season28/Historics/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=453&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated from the start to the exit of the second Lesmo on Lap 1. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=4796)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 17, 2015, 06:53:22 PM +0000
Please note this race will now be run on UKGPL9 rather than UKGPL8.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: MagicArsouille on March 17, 2015, 09:47:24 PM +0000
well .. :-\...Tom !  .....what did you espect :nono: in the entry of the curva grande at lap 2 !??.. ???.   I help you in the qualifs whith my slip stream....not a very coool way to thanks me !....

.....so I'm very desapointed  tumbleweed


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on March 17, 2015, 09:53:26 PM +0000
Sorry to whoever got hit by me as I bounced off the fence and back onto track. A mixture of staying wide in case someone was inside me, and a grabby brake put me into the fence at T3....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: bernie on March 17, 2015, 09:56:11 PM +0000
Visitors arrived , ouldnt get shut of 'em till  9:15 .  I tried to join server with 12 mins to go but all I could get was "timed out" messages  >:(

I was a cert for the podium for this one  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: AnGex on March 17, 2015, 10:00:29 PM +0000
Sorry to whoever got hit by me as I bounced off the fence and back onto track. A mixture of staying wide in case someone was inside me, and a grabby brake put me into the fence at T3....

That was me...disappointed, too! 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: francesco on March 17, 2015, 10:21:00 PM +0000
Sorry for my error to Evilclive,but until that moment was a good battle.From the replayno big consequences for you but at my restart,after few laps,my engine left me afoot.Sorry also to Tommie for the hit,also this one without big consequences.........And the CanAm66?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Tom van Ostade on March 17, 2015, 10:41:46 PM +0000
well .. :-\...Tom !  .....what did you espect :nono: in the entry of the curva grande at lap 2 !??.. ???.   I help you in the qualifs whith my slip stream....not a very coool way to thanks me !....

.....so I'm very desapointed  tumbleweed

I'm very sorry Tristan! I have no idea what happened :( . Obviously I braked too late to avoid hitting you! This sucks. I was just surprised at your braking point. I almost avoided you but just hit your gearbox :( . I just braked at my normal braking point and was surprised to see your car get so much bigger all of a sudden!

What I do most of the time is lift off a bit before I brake when we are all bunched together, to give the people behind me a warning I'm about to brake. Like I said, I just braked at my normal braking point but was surprised to see you brake sooner :( . I would have braked sooner too but I had Axel and Dean right behind me too.

Very sorry Tristan! I'll make it up to you next time :) .


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 17, 2015, 11:08:14 PM +0000
Nothing like a close finish!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Robert Fleurke on March 17, 2015, 11:31:35 PM +0000
Grats to Ray ending his "losing streak" winning in Ronnie Peterson style!  8) Well done to Axel and Iestyn as well for such a close podium! Commiserations to the retirements...

The grid was surprisingly not as filled as the registrations would suggest. I will try to attend some 2L races if I can and when there are slots...

PS: who is this new driver Elvin?  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Iestyn Davies on March 18, 2015, 01:00:42 AM +0000
EvilClive I think? Early on he was hit after Lesmo 2, it was like the Red Sea parted right in front of me! :laugh:
I was lucky to get through that one, unless I'm thinking of someone else being hit in that situation.. maybe Basti? Hard to recall which was which!

Great race.. my start with a pribluda mini-freeze made me think of this Aleksi Elomaa start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkkRJ1ZSL0. Thankfully, Walter could avoid my spin. I then had space to the field, to avoid the inevitable cold tyre pile-ups as I caught back up. Managed to weave my way up to the second pack, with Clive re-passing me before we could pass Fran! ;D

Two blips in my race.. first I was in two minds and slid into Tommie; I was too slow to move after Ascari, inadvertently putting him onto the grass, before going too deep on the inside.. I should have yielded and re-passed like on the previous lap, but was thinking of how best we could catch Axel & Dean (looking at Tommie's Q time, maybe we could have tandem drafted). At least he could continue and battle with Doni :).

I was quite forceful at times when re-passing Ray in the middle part of the race, as I saw that we could catch up to Axel/Dean with me in front doing high 32s/low 33s while they battled. One move, which was a re-pass straight into Lesmo 1, would be very hard to top, not sure I've done many passes as good as that! But it worked out in the end, as Dean tried to up the pace with Axel to stay ahead; sadly Dean ended up in the Grande barrier, ending his race :(.

Ray went off at Parabolica, like Clive, but my second blip was rear-ending Axel out of Parabolica near the end. That was a shame, as it was looking like we could have a dead heat finish, but then Ray came back into contention, and the last lap was suddenly a UKGPL66 version of the 5th Aussie Championship race at Monza, with Stewart, McLean and Wintrip battling in the Lotus! Which lap were we 3 wide into Grande?! :o

Also, a 3 wide finish 8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Walter Conn on March 18, 2015, 02:42:39 AM +0000
This race was a good start for my season. Something strange happened with my FPS in this race though. On each of my out laps in practice, and on my first lap in the race, I only had 30 FPS until after the 2nd Lesmo Corner. Then the FPS returned to 60 in a blink of an eye each time, and everything worked great. *I remember having a similar experience in the qualify session of our 66' F1 Fun Race at Suzuka. Since this is the second time for me to experience it with the 66 mod, I might try some experiments to see if it continues...

I played the role of the tortoise for this race. Although I did enjoy following in Doni's slip stream for a few laps. He helped me set my fast lap, and things were looking positive until I spun in the Curve Grande. After that, I tried to improve my lap times on my own, but struggled to get into the 1:35's. I may have made changes to my car in Qually that slowed me down. Near the end of the race, I just had to decide how to let the leaders past as I could not quite stay on the lead lap. I had fun. It was nice to race again since it has been a busy week.  



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Cookie on March 18, 2015, 10:39:53 AM +0000
Another big Monza slipstream battle...  :thumbup2:

When Tris and Tom had their CG incident in L2, I had a save distance to avoid contact and got the lead.
22 great laps with Dean, until he tried to pass me inside CG where our crashboxes collided and destroyed his car,
this made me loose the gap to Iestyn and Ray.  

After Ray went off at Parabolica we did fast laps and could have been save to the finish,
but Iestyns Para blip brought Ray back into the game for the last lap...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: MagicArsouille on March 18, 2015, 11:08:49 AM +0000
OK Tom,.... but don't forget that your normal break point is not the same in qualif whith empty tank and hot tires and alone on track ....than the full grid whith full tank and cold tires in a champoinship race...and specialy the slip stream who change your bracking point :o...... I break at the right point if I count cold tires + full tank and no slip stream for me .....and the carefull needing at this race instant.......


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: bagrupp on March 18, 2015, 12:20:16 PM +0000
I had a wheel touch at the start, somehow came to close, my opponnent spun.
sorry, i could avoid lesmo 1 accident but touched the hedge outside lesmo 2 and got hit then.
I hope everybody survived this - i'm not sure - if it is that what Iestyn said.

I had a bit lack of topspeed with the ferrari i think. 292 Km/h without slipstream. Already drove a 1:32.9 but
yestersday only 1:33.5

thx for racing and orga - happily survivrd Monza.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Ronniepeterson on March 18, 2015, 05:30:05 PM +0000
Some great racing last night, so a big thank you to anyone scraping around me at any stage of the race. I thought I had thrown away a good finish when I downshifted into the wrong gear and spun into the sand, but got that bit of luck we all need to be given a chance to compete in the slipstream finale. Having had a look at the replay the highlight for me is Iestyn's start. It just has to be seen.  Grats to the podium; apparently I was up there!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Tom van Ostade on March 18, 2015, 08:59:17 PM +0000
OK Tom,.... but don't forget that your normal break point is not the same in qualif whith empty tank and hot tires and alone on track ....than the full grid whith full tank and cold tires in a champoinship race...and specialy the slip stream who change your bracking point :o...... I break at the right point if I count cold tires + full tank and no slip stream for me .....and the carefull needing at this race instant.......

Yeah you are right, perhaps I braked a bit late, I would have made the corner on my own but with the concertina effect I was just too close to you all of a sudden :-\ . Lesson learned.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: Iestyn Davies on March 19, 2015, 02:18:05 PM +0000
(http://s13.postimg.org/z0ys684j7/monza_66_3_wide_finish.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/z0ys684j7/) Photo Finish ;D. I needed a better apex/exit to pip it through the middle!

Looking at the replay.. Clive's start was even more spectacular than mine! Watching mine back now with no stutter, I only start counter-steering when the car is half way around! :laugh:

Also I can see that after almost chopping Tommie, I clung too far to the inside before braking. But also that he was getting on a huge tankslapper!

Lap 1, Lesmo 2 was Doni and Basti.. I was right on Doni's tail and then both were colliding right in front of me and disappeared!

3 wide into Grande.. last lap, but also about 7? laps before sometime in the mid-20s!

PS. It definitely took us both about half of the race to fully tame the BRM H16!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Historic Trophy (66) - Monza - Mar 17
Post by: BadBlood on March 31, 2015, 12:09:17 AM +0100
Mod published. Nice race. Pleasure to review.