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Title: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Cookie on April 29, 2015, 11:25:29 AM +0100
Season 28 – Round 4 - 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco

For round 4 we visit Monaco.  :o

Circuit de Monaco is a street circuit laid out on the city streets of Monte Carlo and La Condamine around the harbour of the principality of Monaco. It is commonly referred to as "Monte Carlo" because it is largely inside the Monte Carlo neighbourhood of Monaco.
A very challenging tight twisty circuit, few opportunities for passing but plenty of chances to hit the scenery.
You’ve heard this before but please take care, especially on Lap 1!  :nono:


69X use the 60fpsV1 (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/60fps/) patch.

The race will be run under INT rules and you have a free car choice.
You can do 1 shift+r with a consecutive stop and go in the pits !

Handicapping
Drivers will have a free car choice
BUT
For the Light drivers: Each car can be driven only once in this season!

Driver lists and explicit rules can be found on the championship page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=480&theme=6)


Race List =   IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 03-05-2015
Qualification Time   = ~20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Track = Monaco
Variant = 69X
Damage Model = INT
Race length = ~50 min -> 33 laps
Replay = you will get here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season28/69Xtra/)

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the Casino righthander on the first lap. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 30 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 25 mins of qualifying left.  


GLA

WE WILL USE a PASSWORD for the TRAINING SERVER! = 60fpsV1


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 30, 2015, 06:05:14 PM +0100
I won't make this one....hope it isn't the crash-fest everyone worries it will be....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: FullMetalGasket on April 30, 2015, 06:49:18 PM +0100
Probably the best way to avoid a crash fest is to worry too much it will be and then start on the normal GPL grid  ;)  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Cookie on April 30, 2015, 08:47:44 PM +0100
Probably the best way to avoid a crash fest is to worry too much it will be and then start on the normal GPL grid  ;)  ;D

Exactly what I was thinking...  >:D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Cookie on May 02, 2015, 05:43:41 PM +0100
Please make shure before the race that you can use the full ugraded track with 60 fps!

I give the advice to use the pure papy track from the CD if you have any stutters,
I do this online for security even with a decent GPU!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: BadBlood on May 03, 2015, 09:01:01 PM +0100
Been away for a while for various reasons. Groaned when I saw Monaco - this is NOT the track to re-learn on :( bailed out before I killed somebody (figuratively speaking). Did manage to blow Sam up in the pits though.... ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Cookie on May 03, 2015, 09:36:50 PM +0100
After the second turnover in lap1 I had to retire...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Ronniepeterson on May 03, 2015, 09:46:48 PM +0100
Good luck to everyone still running especially Andreas (I think) who I made contact with. I waited to let you go but you did look a bit smokey. I hope your good to go.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Iestyn Davies on May 03, 2015, 10:01:54 PM +0100
Hmm a lap 1 crash is not very surprising ;D. I wanted to join but still have the problem where GPL hangs after 'channel opened' when it does the final handshake, or when in normal GPL you click the green button to move into track selection screen. With Paul and I, I think we would have had a full grid! 8)

Edit: How many more for us have enough entries to hold a 'best/worst ukgpl Monaco start/crash' poll? We could include the grid with cars starting at the tunnel exit, if we need to fill it.. held in the off-season perhaps? :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 03, 2015, 11:00:59 PM +0100
I'll start by apologising to everyone just to be on the safe side, not for the T2 bombsite as that wasn't me (I just joined in!) but to whoever got involved in the accident at the chicane later on the same lap - I was already fully committed exiting the tunnel when the yellow flag came out ahead just as I crested the brow of the hill. I had no way to slow from that speed in time so just aimed at clear bits of track and hope.
Somehow I made it through in one piece but am pretty sure I clobbered a few people in the process  :ninja:

After my narrow scrape with disaster I then continued as hard as I could to try and regain position, and passed a lot of people in doing so (Hopefully I wasn't too aggressive) until on about lap 12/13 I saw a pit in message from Greg and remembered that I should have stopped for a stop and go due to the L1 carnage and my reset :censored:

Carried on anyway after a quick SnG - I was determined to see where I could finish in case I was remembering the rules wrong (plus I was enjoying myself) and after about 5 years I came in in what I thought was 3rd, only to find it was 2nd as Greg had pulled off.

My final apology is to Piero for the rear-ending into the last corner on the last lap, you braked so much earlier than you had previously I was totally unprepared - glad the crumpled fireball on my screen managed to pull away again and cross the line still  :)

Congrats to all the finishers and whoever stole 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc off me  :'(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: GregT on May 04, 2015, 05:18:42 AM +0100
Congrats Piero, Tim, Clive!

I instigated the lap 1 demolition derby this time. :( I'm sorry Clive and I apologize to everyone else who got caught up in all the mess at Massanet. It all started when I overshot Saint Devote. I scrubbed along the wall for bit with the pedal down. With all the commotion. I couldn't locate Piero so I was off the LR corner of Clive's waiting to lift and move right. I had my eye on you Clive expecting you to move left soon. I wouldn't have been so close but I still wasn't sure where Piero was. It looks like you tried to leave me room by hitting the curb. I braked earlier than I normally would and then I tried to go left to avoid you, instead hitting the curb bounced me to the right. I'm an arse, punting the other driver who is mostly likely to beat me.

That was rather embarrassing. It's disappointing to screw up others' races so much. It may have spoiled a lot of my fun too. I thought I could beat Piero and Tim but I had no idea about Clive. I was hoping to get clean lap 1 and see if Clive could keep up with me. I thought I could keep up with him, so I was ready to follow Clive the entire race if necessary.

I drove a decent race after Massanet. I caught Piero pretty quickly. I spun once behind Piero when it felt like I lost downforce when I swept across behind him. I don't know how or if I can pass here. I was looking for a mistake to pass. After several laps I saw smoke coming from Piero's engine. If it had to happen, at least it happened in front of the pits. :) After that, the big highlights were hitting the guard rail two or three more times and giving the lapped cars another car to see.

I was hoping I might set a faster lap in the race than qualifying. I'm kind of stupid to think I could get near the finish with a pristine car, light on fuel at Monaco. :) There's always hope.

It was still fun even though I played a big part in diminishing everybody's fun. I think we all thought it was likely there could be a spectacular pile up at Monaco. I was hoping to get out in front of it, not cause it. :(

I couldn't bring myself to take the win. Too dirty for me to win by punting my closest competition. So I stopped after 32.99 laps to wait for Clive to pass me. Since I missed two races there's little chance I could be champion so the points weren't very important.

Take care guys.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: bagrupp on May 04, 2015, 08:01:52 AM +0100
First of all, thx to Axel for the setup.

I found kind of speed but many little errors, i managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos.
Sorry to anyone i could not let pass instantly and who was handicapped by my car standing on the track.

Thanks for racing and Orga and cya next time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: dave curtis on May 04, 2015, 10:04:35 AM +0100
I managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos..

That was lucky,   2x S/R would have meant DQ!


I downloaded a setup & jumped on the practice server on Saturday, along with Martin as it turned out.
Despite being outclassed in our mini session,  it certainly helped come the race; although could not better the time I'd managed in pre-event practice.

With the attending group, was surprised to not have started from the back row.  So there were a couple if snarl ups, but I've seen worse.

I'm sure the car was handling better once it had taken damage & further damage. It certainly didn't seem to feel any different,  although maybe it helped with a couple of big spins at the hairpin.   Was also lucky not losing a wheel at a few clips at the chicane.

Tried to let lapping cars through fairly easily and also the on a mission teamie Tim, on his charge through from the back.  Apologies if there were any hold ups out there, but it hard to see how quick you fast guys are coming up & best placement, particularly here with few running wide opportunities. 

In the later stages I was surrounded in pribluda by red names, although Bastian was not far enough back,  so was trying not to lose more time than required.

It still didn't really flow for me, but happy to have made it to the finish (without a reset)  and potential top 10, although that was just due to misfortune elsewhere.

Cheers all,
Dave.









Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: EvilClive on May 04, 2015, 12:59:26 PM +0100
hmmmm. I do like Monaco as it always gives some epic races.

Just looked at the replay after reading Greg's report. IMHO this was a similar situation to the Montjuice mega fest, and I was involved again !! :-\ Apologies to all those who got snarled up, but at Monaco ( as at Montjuice ) there is nowhere to go when it all kicks off ahead.

Qualification was very tight, but vitally important at Monaco because passing other cars, even if they are slower than you, is almost impossible.
Greg's WR time ( afaik ) in the Brab was awesome and although prib was promising me a sub 1:20 lap I could not quite hook it up....but my pace was on race fuel, so I knew I should be able to match Greg's pace in the race. However Piero's time had dropped me to the 2nd row with about 15 mins to go. In my mind the 2nd row at Monaco is nowhere, unless it is a full length 67 GP race where attrition and fatigue will present opportunities. So I kept hammering around tantalisingly a few tenths off that front row, either because I made a mistake or came across other cars on their quali lap that was just not quite fast enough for my purposes. Always an issue around somewhere like Monaco, where finding space for a clear banzai lap is difficult.

Just in time I hooked up a 98% lap with no traffic and slipped onto the front row alongside Greg's Brabham...it looked all set for quite a battle  ;D

We could argue that the extended grid did its job and we all got through T1 ( well 99.5% did). Greg's unexpected attempt to test the armco that early in the race, left me with a huge dilemma that required some instant decision making.
My entry into St Devote gave me a clear view of the track through the apex and up the hill. Greg was obviously compromised against the barrier and would have lost some pace, but maybe not that much. I also knew that Piero and Tim would be at full attack right behind and expecting to give their cars the full wellie up the hill.
If I slowed and played it safe ( which at any other track I might have considered!),  I would have been alongside Greg and the 2 of us would create a rolling road block. I reckon that there was a 70% chance that somewhere in the chasing pack the sudden slowing of cars in front would trigger contact and chaos.
 At Monaco, from a driver's perspective, track position is everything because it is so impossible to pass, so you have to take any chance that presents itself to make a place. I could not pass up this golden opportunity and hope that I would get a better chance later in the race.
 I nailed the gas and hoped that the cold rear tyres would yield at least some assistance ( how the heck do you get the tyres even remotely warm in the 69x cars???!!) I was also aware that Greg might detach himself from the barrier and bounce out into the centre of the track. So I used the pavement area to the right and aimed straight up the hill through Massanet to the crest, hoping that any bouncing over kerbs did not damage the suspension.

It almost worked!
In commom with the Montjuice "incident", this scrap fest was more to do with the lack of peripheral visibility and less to do with the close proximity of cars off the grid. Greg seems to have been more concerned with where Piero was, or was not, and attempted to keep to the left. This compromised his line into Casino and the rest is history as they say.
From that point on and after completing a somewhat bungled SnG where I managed to stop the Brabham with its nose buried in the piwall at 90 deg to the track, the race was one of damage limitation. I could see on Prib that Tim was steaming through the field and I was stuck behind a couple of cars that were not circulating quite as quickly as I wanted to  :-\. It takes a lot of time and concentration to fashion a safe pass around Monaco, and I hate having to take the smallest opportunity and force the issue when racing for position. The smallest error by either driver will end in tears. A couple of cars ran wide or made big mistakes, but by then Tim was rubbing the paint off my gearbox!!. We had a few laps of fast racing until I made a small mistake and Tim took the chance. Then his progress was slowed by Sam ( I think) and I was back on his tail.
When Tim made his move to pass Sam I thought I was going to lose touch with him but unfortunately for Sam he was momentarily baulked by a car out of Casino Square and I was able to squirt my Brab down the outside and keep Tim in sight.
Our pace was carrying us closer to the front cars and I was hopeful of fighting for a podium spot after all of the problems.
But my setup in the Brab had been built on full race fuel and it seemed that as the fuel load got lighter the handling became less predictatble ( or maybe it was several "kisses" of the armco?? ). Anyway a half spin dropped me back and the harder I pushed the more ragged I became, until I forced myself to concentrate on making it to the flag, rather than risking it all on tatsing champagne.

Grats to Piero, Tim and Greg on great pace.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: bagrupp on May 04, 2015, 01:40:39 PM +0100
I managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos..

That was lucky,   2x S/R would have meant DQ!


Yes, i know :D Wouldn't have done it twice, but lucky not even a need to do so. only small impacts.
good speed Dave !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Samb on May 04, 2015, 02:33:24 PM +0100
Well, after all my escapades this race I can conclude the BRM is made of granite. I think I had the most spectacular crash in the lap 1 shenanigans  ;D. Amazingly the car was still drivable and landed in the direction I intended to travel which promoted me to an undeserved 3rd. A couple more errors and a general lack of pace meant Tim and Clive passed me by half race distance, demoting me to 5th. That became 4th after Greg's generosity.

This race I was seriously lacking in pace. I even practiced a bit for this event  :-\. Seems I still haven't quite unlocked the driving style required to get the most out of these cars. Pleased to have finished the race at least. Congrats to all finishers  :).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Piero Mercaldo on May 04, 2015, 06:36:30 PM +0100


All right this time! I was terrified of causing an accident altrp that regularly occurred. :o

As always I left hoping to get to the end and once again in the last corner I almost did not see the checkered flag.

I was convinced to have reached 2, instead I won!

How lucky!

Hello and thanks to all


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Baab on May 04, 2015, 08:59:09 PM +0100
Some cracking times set up front at this one, I was in the mix but not with the first four, qualifying 5th, a second behind Tim...but I only started practicing half an hour before qual, so couldn't be too disappointed.

Unfortunately whilst I could see the T2 carnage I didn't manage to avoid it.  This was probably impossible with almost a full grid bearing down, had I have slowed more I'd have been shunted for sure so aimed for a gap instead which disappeared!!  I reset then had to bulldoze through to carry on.  I was the one that clipped the chicane later on on L1, sorry for that, sent me spinning then others collected me.  I think I got going dead last after that but had some fun overtaking others.  At one point I challenged Dave Curtis after the chicane and was surprised how late you braked, but then you lost it and collected me, no worries though.

I carried on until I caught Bastian who caught me off guard by slowing quite a bit for the chicane, obliging me to lift as my car crested the rise and went light.  The car then drifted right and I ended up stuck in the straw bales.  Quite a soft way to end.  Had some fun though.

Cheers,

Bob


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 05, 2015, 07:05:45 PM +0100
About to submit my incident(s) reports, mostly appertaining to my belated SnG but also to the snowplough incident at the chicane on L1 where I couldn't stop/slow anywhere near enough on time, so a few of you will probably get notifications caused by that one.

Quote from: Piero
As always I left hoping to get to the end and once again in the last corner I almost did not see the checkered flag.
I haven't submitted a report on this one but can if you would like - this is partly because you were able to continue and finish ahead after I waited, and secondly because I hit you after you changed your braking point on the final lap by the distance of two trees before the bridge (I checked to make sure I hadn't imagined it) compared to the previous 10 laps I'd been following you; It was unexpected and I had no-where to go. As I said earlier I'm sorry for hitting you but certainly from my client replay I wasn't left much choice.

Glad you were able to finish :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Phil Thornton on May 05, 2015, 11:24:57 PM +0100
How lucky!l
I wouldn't say lucky, you drove a great race Piero.  Steady start and kept out of trouble.  The secret at Monaco is to qualify well, just as in real life.  You did just that.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: GregT on May 11, 2015, 06:07:43 PM +0100
I haven't responded to the incident report or do I want to. I'd prefer to respond here where everybody can read it.

First, I apologize again. Second, there is little if any defense for what I did. I do have an excuse though. :) I couldn't watch three things at once like I needed. I was never able to look back or at Prib to determine where Piero was. I was too busy looking at the wall on my left and Clive ahead on the right. I braked a little earlier than I usually would but waited as long as I thought was possible. I could have and should have slowed sooner but I thought Piero might be closer than he was. Had Clive not clipped the curb on the right and made a sloppy entrance into the left hander we may have avoided the collision but ultimately the responsibility was mine to prevent the collision. I'm a bit disappointed I got overwhelmed by too many things to do at once.

I felt bad about what I did to Clive immediately. I didn't realize the true extent of the damage I had done until well after the race. I was tempted to immediately slow until Clive could pass me but then I thought that could possibly cause more incidents so I should just drive and see if I can take the lead from Piero. I kept my eye out for Clive hoping he could move back into 2nd. Once he did I had every intention of giving him the lead again and see if I could take it legitimately.

I penalized myself by stopping before the checkered flag but if it's deemed necessary to punish me further, so be it.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: Walter Conn on June 13, 2015, 06:43:23 PM +0100
Moderation Published. Thanks to other moderators for always offering answers to my questions.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco - May 3
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 14, 2015, 11:45:11 AM +0100
*Cries into beer*