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Title: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Robert Fleurke on May 04, 2015, 08:47:58 PM +0100
Season 28 Privateers Trophy - Round 5 - Carthage

For Round 5 the Privateers will visit Tunisia, Northern Africa, to race at the dusty Carthage Street Circuit. It is a very fast 7.816 mile triangular highway circuit at the Tunisian coast line. We will use the 1935 version of Carthage (carta35).

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 10-05-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = carta35 (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Carthage)
Race length = 16 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30 minutes

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season28/Grads_Privs/)

Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=476&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for Lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of Soukra on the first lap. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=476&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Cookie on May 09, 2015, 02:22:35 PM +0100
UKGPL_8 is waiting at IGOR for Privateers to practice the braking into the corners after the long straights!

Make shure your car has a stable straight line and avoid zigzagging...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bagrupp on May 10, 2015, 10:23:05 PM +0100
two laps of quali are very low training ;)

It worked quite well until my concentration went away.

thx for Bernie for the fair fights and thx for the orga.

Grats to the finishers.

cya next time !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: francesco on May 10, 2015, 10:58:50 PM +0100
Sorry Bernie for the touch,happy to have seen no big consequence for your race.
This week is the second time,but this time is less serious for you not for me .....others  P.P. :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: dave curtis on May 11, 2015, 02:35:22 PM +0100
I thought I may have been here before;   but from jumping on the practice server on Saturday - apparently not!
It became clear fairly quickly that I'd be lucky to get to 50% distance;  so decided to not waste any more tokens than the Honda.
Thanks for he company on Saturday Axel;  it did highlight how fast I wasn't...

Not sporting, but I would be relying on misfortune elsewhere for the main event.

For qually, was pleased to have finally managed to string together an outlap & a timed lap.

For the race,  I managed to make up a couple of places [that misfortune elsewhere thing] & circulate in 2nd for quite a while;  although Axel just continued to pull away quickly.
He must have had an issue at  one point because I was not that far behind;  but again he just romped ahead.

I was all too aware of cars getting nearer behind;  but presumably issues behind.
Then in the closing stages;   DaveR was quickly closing  up & I knew he'd be past within a couple of laps;   but it still looked hopeful for a potential 3rd place.

About 3 laps to go;  just went off at that hairpin & got a wheel stuck in the hedge/bales/cardboard boxes.  So a quick reset & Philippe was then very close & that was before my S&G.
I could have done without the spin in the pitlane & ending up pointing at the garages.  Eventually got going the right way,  but Philippe was long gone.

Just a case of trying to take it easy/no drama for the last lap or so. All in all,  very happy with 4th.


Still could not work out why there is a concrete chicane/bollards  in the middle of a desert.   I tip-toed through there every lap;   figured much quicker than hitting it....


Cheers all,  congrats podium.
Dave.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Cookie on May 11, 2015, 03:14:44 PM +0100
He must have had an issue at  one point because I was not that far behind;  but again he just romped ahead.
...
Still could not work out why there is a concrete chicane/bollards  in the middle of a desert.   I tip-toed through there every lap;   figured much quicker than hitting it....


Yeah Dave, that was just the place where I had my spin...

But the 10sec lead was just enough to reverse the car and keep it in front ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bernie on May 11, 2015, 04:07:15 PM +0100
With not much hope of surviving for the distance I was going to take the BRM here but decided i wouldnt be able to tolerate the H16 noise for 16 laps Tried the ferrari and found it a pleasant chassis to drive ( never drove the thing much at all before today ) so decided to chuck 17 valuable points into the GPL kitty , on reflection I would have done better driving the whale and retiring it as soon as the noise got too much .
The problem was big time understeer having to lift in corners that should have been flat in 5th , noticed the tyre temps never got out of the ice cold blue range which might be a factor ?
Race wise I enjoyed the chicken run down to T1 with Dave R's BRM alongside , guess who was the chicken . A bit of racing with fellow fez pilot Bagrup helped to pass the time on what is really a monotonous track we swapped places a few times mostly by giving each other dancing lessons . too many offs trying to hard seems the way of things lately in spite of Fran doing his best to help me along the way .

The usual grats to the podium and commiserations to all who fell by the wayside , at least I didn't get lapped this time out  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 11, 2015, 07:29:24 PM +0100
I quite like these long tracks in the Eagle. Got very close to Cookies pole time & looked good for the race. Unfortunately I put  a wheel on the kerb through one of the ess sections on lap 1. Found out the desert sand does nothing to slow you down until the car eventually stops &  you want to get back to the road. I restarted last almost a minute down. Other than a contest with Fran it was a very lonely race. Minor consolation in fastest lap but ultimately a waste of tokens.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bernie on May 11, 2015, 09:18:23 PM +0100
Yea Billy ,  My problem solved in a nutshell ..............


I just need to drive faster down the straights  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: francesco on May 11, 2015, 10:06:32 PM +0100
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Other than a contest with Fran it was a very lonely race
The same for me with the name inverted.But in your opinion i was slow in curves?On the straight i'm sure yes,you have passed me in an easy way.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 11, 2015, 11:45:04 PM +0100
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Other than a contest with Fran it was a very lonely race
The same for me with the name inverted.But in your opinion i was slow in curves?On the straight i'm sure yes,you have passed me in an easy way.
Fran - I think it was the power of the Eagle on the straights, plus some draft when I got close. Top speed was 202mph (without any draft).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: francesco on May 12, 2015, 09:20:26 AM +0100
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Top speed was 202mph (without any draft).
Clear,converted in Km/h there is a difference of 7Km/h for the Eagle.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Philippe Girard on May 12, 2015, 07:49:47 PM +0100
I am very happy to finish third. I'm not trained a lot to me. For a few laps I was in front of dave rainier, he was faster than me, but with my eagle, I was faster on the straights. Suddenly, I roll on the side, and I go in circles. I fear the worst for dave following me, but he managed to pass. Phew! My friend Dave!
Great victory cookie, and beautiful dave race. No chance for dave curtis. thank you all



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Rainier on May 13, 2015, 11:22:48 AM +0100
I choose the BRM because it was good for tokens and also because I thought Axel was unbeatable on this track.
Maybe it was an error, Axel was not so quick with the Honda and the gap was not so important at the finish.
But maybe Axel was not pushing hard as he had no real opponents, here.

My start was catastrophic, quite all the drivers overtook me on the long straight.
Moreover I lost time when two drivers, Francesco (?) and Bernie (?), had an incident.
Then I had a fun fight with Bernie, as he explained previously.

I was quickly 4th, but Dave C and Philippe were really quick. Both made a mistake (or two  ;)  ) and I could finish second.

Grats Axel, Dave and Philippe and all finishers !   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Cookie on May 13, 2015, 12:10:32 PM +0100
Thx David,
you are right, I was pushing only as much as necessary, once I had a lead of ~12sec I fell in safety mode.
The tactic payed off, when I spun in the "palm alley"  ;D

In free practice the Honda was able to do 32s, so I had some reserve to push...
The setup for the Honda for this track needed a lot of work to get the rear end agile enough ;D

This season helps me a lot to understand the 67s wich never were my favourite cars (I am more the mature GT driver like Derek Bell)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Rainier on May 13, 2015, 01:13:26 PM +0100
Yes in those years Derek Bell, Brian Redman, David Hobbs, Leo Kinnunen were great Sportscar drivers, often at the same level than Ickx, Siffert or Rodriguez  but they didn't success with F1.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Robert Fleurke on June 06, 2015, 12:58:39 AM +0100
Mod report published. Again, Fran's additional penalty for penalty points (+3 places lost) is automatically generated by the LM2 system, to be clear.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bagrupp on June 06, 2015, 07:01:37 AM +0100
Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bernie on June 06, 2015, 10:59:32 AM +0100
Nice report , thanks Robert  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Phil Thornton on June 06, 2015, 01:09:35 PM +0100
Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop
The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette).  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: maddog on June 06, 2015, 04:27:18 PM +0100
With thanks to Robert for checking Stop & go drivers.  And to Phil for making the requirements clear.  

I raised this subject after a pre-Season funrace, where an important pitstop was performed some distance from a pitstall, with a race win in the balance.  This seemed unrealistic, and sometimes gives a big advantage to the driver who stops the furthest from his mechanics.

Casual viewing suggests this is an area where some drivers, repeatedly choose to reset alongside the pits, and count that as a combined reset/stop & go.  The risk has to be greater than the reward to stop such behaviour.  It's not specifically a UKGPL problem, but seems widespread.  I hope combined efforts help to kill such for awhile. :2guns:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: bernie on June 06, 2015, 11:56:02 PM +0100
Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop
The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette).  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.

Good idea , but , it seems to me that ruling is mostly relevant to the old handicap system when a variable timed pit stop was used . Depending on chassis choice using a longer stationary time for the faster chassis , e.g. If driving the Lotus you had to creep forward slowly as being stationary for too long (30 secs?)  would result in GPL automatically kicking you off into retirement , pit stops were much more interesting in tho "old" days  :o 

As such its a bit out of date wouldn't you say !

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: Phil Thornton on June 07, 2015, 08:06:19 AM +0100
Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop
The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette).  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.

Good idea , but , it seems to me that ruling is mostly relevant to the old handicap system when a variable timed pit stop was used . Depending on chassis choice using a longer stationary time for the faster chassis , e.g. If driving the Lotus you had to creep forward slowly as being stationary for too long (30 secs?)  would result in GPL automatically kicking you off into retirement , pit stops were much more interesting in tho "old" days  :o 

As such its a bit out of date wouldn't you say !
The old Pit Stop rules are still there but we choose not to use them for any of our current championships.  You can still find them on the rules pages (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/intro) under Structure where it talks about handicapping and chassis levelling.

You are right about relevancy.  Why keep referring to rules that we don't currently use?  Well, just to be consistent and to stop "re-inventing the wheel".  The Pit Stop rules try to be authentic within the constraints of the game and the restrictions of racing on-line so why carry on using them?  The more experienced moderators and drivers always have, it is just the newcomers who weren't around in the Pit Stop days who are not familiar with the Pit Stop conventions.

Serving a S&G in your Pit Box is the most authentic and it is current, Alonso had to serve a 5 second time penalty at Monaco last month. He didn't stop out on track to do it.  So if the current rules are a bit confusing we can re-phrase them to explicitly describe how to do a S&G as opposed to a Pit Stop of zero seconds but the description would be identical.

BTW I agree Pit Stops in the old days were much more interesting but not everyone's cup of tea (let's not go there  :whistling: )


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10
Post by: DLogan on June 07, 2015, 08:04:24 PM +0100
I think the rule that stops must be done in a pit stall and not the "traffic lane" is obsolete, and not suitable with the new 0-second S&Gs.

Under the old system, you'd have cars sitting in the pit lane for extended periods, and for different time lengths, so you'd have cars going by each other in the pit lane. If people were allowed to just stop willy-nilly, of course you'd have blockages and chaos.

But now, no one's sitting. As soon as you fully stop, you go. If someone's following you into the pits to also serve a S&G, they just stop behind you, and go when you've gone, so no overtaking necessary, so no blockage to worry about.

Plus, many newer tracks have people standing around in the pit boxes, which brings up visibility issues using the pit stalls.

I don't think many were aware of the exact wording of that section (me included), and I well admit that I haven't aimed specifically at the pit boxes when doing S&Gs. I've done my stops in the pitlane, but anywhere I'd consider safe to stop.