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Practice: 19:45 BST (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 ~ 30 Mins

Cars allowed: BMW M1 Procar
Track: Hockenheim GP
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  OFF
Pit-stops: None required

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Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

Hey Gents

So after this race the season is over. Are you guys going to start another championship season?

Ant

Definitely (I think/hope)

It's actually down to how much free time Matt has.

I will at least be extending this one for another 8 events.
I could create a new series if required, but I have never been able to do that (as in I don't seem to have the privs)
So I have to ask Tony to help out.
As there are now some more people than there were when we started, a new one would give everyone chance to
start scoring points rather than play catch up. I was waiting to see what feedback I got on my questions about
whether people wanted different cars or not before I did it.

Matt, I've created an E2 and a E2H so your covered for whichever way you chose to go.

Thanks Tony. E2H is the default. I can always change cars etc afterwards.

Ah, That would be great. This game has great content. Thanx gents.

So what's the bare minimum I have to buy to compete in this race as a trial run to see if it cuts the mustard for me?  :) or if I'm better off buying a certain track/car pack?

love these cars  8)

This track http://game.raceroom.com/store/tracks/all/hockenheimring

One of these cars http://game.raceroom.com/store/pack/bmw-m1-procar

If you download the sim (free) you can test drive any car (free). You don't need to buy a whole car pack, you can just buy one car to compete online in.

Well you could just buy a single M1 car and Hockenheimring. Best way to find out cost is to go to the ingame store and go through the purchase procedure.......it'll tell you how much is in your cart before you check out but I'd guess around a fiver from your steam wallet.

If you buy more content (which you will  ;)) such as the European Track pack you'll get a discount for already owning Hockenheimring so you won't pay for it twice.

If you decide to go for it make sure you give it a bit of time MJ as it requires a bit of setting up, check out my tips....

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13168.0

Buying a pack is much cheaper than buying individual items and keeping an eye out for discounted packs is worthwhile.

So is this the final round of series 1 then? I think it will be easier to promote a new series than an extension of this one especially for the prospect of new drivers joining us.

Sorry, been away. Yes this is the final round of this series. Tony has created Season 2, I just need to enter some car/tracks

I've tried many versions of Hockemheim and the one in this game seems to be somewhat narrow. Am I the only one who thinks so??

I find it hard to get a good setup for the the M1, any tips out there?



Stig

PS. I Wonder if the real-life M1 could brake as good as this sim-version

Not run the M1 here yet. At other tracks it seems to understeer into corners a lot, but if I cure it
then it starts to get too loose for my limited talents. I just get something I can drive and go for it.

Hey Gents

Whats a good lap time?

Ant

Probably about ten secs better than I can do

Tony, Your a legend, your not that slow.

I managed a 1.45 323 today, but the aces will go a lot faster.

Have a look or try to follow one of them:

http://game.raceroom.com/leaderboard/?track=1693&car_class=2339&driving_model=2

Stig

I need to get some practise in.....got too distracted by Spa over the weekend  ::)

Wot like some kind of massage thing?

Goldtop, yip me too, I did a raced with the adac GTM I got a 2:18:5 in race trim at spa, but the guys are super fast around there. I think 2:15...s Thats just insanely quick around spa for a GT3. So yip, I know spa is fun..

See ya soon

I bought the M1 pack and the track today  :) so will give it a run tonight to see how it feels. Hopefully will join you all on Thursday.

I hope so MJ  8)

Ran it for half hour earlier. All seemed okay but I wasn't blown away by it like I was running AC the first time, tbh.

Steering still feels a bit woolly though better than it did in the test drives. Not easy to tell with an old brute like the M1, so could also be setup. Graphically it just looks like a polished GTL to me though it did look good when other cars nearby on track. Love the rear view through the wing. Sounds are very good.

I was slowest out of 11 AI cars  :-[ more laps needed!  Any setup tips for the M1? It's a bit understeery on default.

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If you haven't already done it, try adjusting the 'Speed Sensitive Steering' . You'll find it in Control settings\ advanced settings.

Stig

This is the last event of our inaugural 1st series for R3E
Season 2 starts next week with a battle at Mt Panorama (Bathurst) please make sure you have purchased that track  ::)
Reinhard is looking good for this championship, perhaps others may challenge him in season 2  ;D

1:47 is about as low as I can get at the moment.

Got some laps in this eve, getting to grips with the car/sim a bit more. Got into the low 1:46's so finding a bit of pace  :)
Car can be a handful, as it should be, but manageable.

Know I'm new round here  ;) but how about improving the grid look by pre selecting your colour schemes to avoid a grid full of same colour cars?
I will be in the BASF car as that was the flame spitting noisy demon I loved watching so much at the Nurburg Oldtimer last year  8)

hi mark j,
i am not sure, what skin i will have,
as i did not buy the m1 carpack, i did buy only 1 car any time ago (perhaps if there was a discount??, did forgot) or i have buy other carpack, where this car is in too, realy did forgot, but i did not have buy complete carpack, as i am ok to have not all skins.

i did any laps in this leaderboard challenge, and the cars are faster in leaderboard as it is in offline practise, probably more grip, same as in GTR2, where P2 have more grip as P1 for example, and the hotlapping/time trial?? (do forgot name) have most grip in GTR2, similar it looks like in R3E game.

i like this car and i like hockenheim too.

servus

People generally choose a different skin a lot of the time anyway I think. Having to pre book your skins
is a nice idea, but I like this sim because I don't have to do much work.  :whistling:
I have been running in a black one.

Oh I didn't mean anything official, just stating your intent so that we get a nice varied grid rather than 10 'Art' cars  ;)

I think I usually choose the red and blue car #67 but I'm not fussed. There are enough skins with most of these cars that we rarely get duplicates and at least we don't have to worry about downloading endless skinpacks or seeing lots of white cars on the grid.

I'm 1:42s following Reinhard around on leaderboard and 43s muscling it around in practise mode but I'm a bit lost with setup around Hock tbh  ???

How do you follow someone on leaderboard?
Where do you choose fuel? I couldn't see it anywhere in setup  ???
Do I need to know anything special to join the race tonight? (Not even looked at multiplayer aspect of it yet!)
How do you enable virtual mirror? Tried 9 and f9 but nothing happened.

Multiplayer is still in Alpha phase of development so a load of features are either poorly implemented or not available at all. Fuel is one thing that's not fleshed out yet so don't worry about it. Type T to chat (no pre-defined messages as yet). I've avoided using virtual mirror as I find the in cockpit view mirrors are very good.

Click on the "Challenge" button in the leaderboard and their ghost car will appear in your game to follow around (I think - not tried it myself, but I think that's how it works.


You can't (yet).


Not really. You can only chat when in car, which is not ideal. Can't think of anything else..


After getting put on the grid with no mirrors last week I now know that the top row number key "1" toggles virtual mirror on and off. However I can't remember if that's the default key or if I changed it, so check under Options/Controls to be sure.

Tried the M1 last night and I think this is the first time in RRE I'm not really feeling at one with the car. Untidy lap gets me low 44s but it feels like there is a lot more grip and potential to unlock.. Should be fun though.

I got the M1 in the Hillclimb pack, so I've only got 3 skins to choose from - I'll be in the #105 car (white with blue/red/orange stripes).

The car with a danish driver is MINE  ????

Stig

Not sure when I last raced with the M1, I think it might have been Hungary, but I find them serious fun
a bit too understeery into corners, but with a little setup time you can get nice power slides going  :D
Roubd here, the only places I find awkward are the 2nd corner and the next to last.
But then I am doing 47s so not so fast.

I'll take the Brown No. 90 car

Being Cornish, I've have default purchase No. 1!  :rockon:

Heads up - Suzuka circuit currently 30% off. (£2.54, 3.48 euros)

(Anyone know if you can get the euro symbol on an UK keyboard?)

Suzuka will be in Season 2, so get it cheap while you can

I wish they would do an Asia/Australasia trackpack (Suzuka + Shanghai + Macau + Bathurst) to go with the Euro and US packs.. They are good value.

Thanks for replies. No fuel?  And no tyre pressures! Honestly?  ::) just don't get how these released racing sims have such fundamental items missing and think it's acceptable  ??? (AC has similar foibles!)

Seems I need to up my pace a tad! Didn't know about the leaderboard challenge thing and had no benchmarks to aim for plus I was destroying the Ai pace wise, led me into a false sense of security  :P

Yes enjoyed power sliding these out of t2 hairpin complex  :) doesn't give as good feedback through my fanatec wheel as AC though, steering in general is still a bit wooden for my liking but hey ho.

Mark, assuming you have your wheel calibrated and setup correctly (I'm sure you do), you could try adjusting the Steering lock to improve steering feel. This is the first thing I do in RRE before touching any other car settings.

In garage, go to Car setup, then Steering setup, where you will see options to adjust Wheel Range and Steering Lock. Raising Steering lock value makes the steering more responsive (too much and it soon gets very twitchy), and lowering it makes it feel dead and unresponsive. Depending on what you are used to, a higher value here may help.

You should also be aware (if you didn't already know) that slowdown penalties are active for these races - cut the track too many times and you'll wonder why you're not going anywhere..

EDIT: Oh yes, and don't use manual clutch - it's not working properly at the moment and you'll probably break your gearbox within a few laps with it enabled.

Hi Guys i would like to join you tonight if home in time, will be in the 111 car, prob at the back as nearly 10 secs down on you fast drivers.

Hey Gents

R3E is down, error 503 can anyone test to see if you have access?

Ant

I'm getting Error 503 too  >:(

I just read on the forums they doing some upgrades

Check http://game.raceroom.com/

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I hope it does not take too long

"planned" my arse. If it were they would have announced it in advance, wouldn't they?

I'll try again later then

I suggest that all the ace drivers go drink, say 4 pints of strong beer while we're waiting for RRE to get updated.

The rest of us stay sober, and then we kick their buts at Hockenheim later on :-))


Stig

Hahaa, your pretty quick yourself Champ ;D

We are up and running, now I can add to my limited practice..

Is working now, I will start the server at 19:45

Huu ...... never seen so much lagging in any sim before. I just tested my conn. speed it's 35 MB dl and 28MB ul. Still all the cars kept disappearing  >:( and I quit in order not to ram anybody-

How did it work for you guys?

Furthermore the quali was very strange. According to the game, I did a 20.500 first split which is of course all wrong.

The on-line part of this game doesn't look very promising.

I can't help but wonder why nobody seems to be able to make the on-line facilities work as well they have managed to do it in LFS.


Stig

Hey Gents

I got kicked, man what a bad one. I was kicked 3 times in the practice and then In quali all was good, The 12 minutes towards the end I was out. Man this is the first time this has happened to me. I have a really good line, at lest 10mb upload, but maybe it is just the server. Man man man, was dropped buy Berger was being caught buy Morris because I was sleeping, then I picked up the gap again to about 3 seconds and bang. Oh well. Can't cry over spilt milk now can we.

See you in season 2

Ant :boat:

@Hotkeys: it must be there server

That was the dogs, only saw (or didn't see) one car disappearing. Race was so good, I didn't even see I was approaching the flag. Absolutely laid one, as the ai took over... lol.

Grats to Reinhard, Tudor and Dieter or vice versa... I was focused on Jims' rear end (No tittering please)

Once again gents, a hearty thankyou.

I didn't see you Anty, but Stig was warping like mad on lap 1, then disapeared. We had someone warping last week
though I saw none, and I ran close this week with Tony/Roger and was following MJ for a while and he looked solid.
seems a bit sensitive to variable latency. It's not about how fast your con is, it's whether it drops any data or not.
Hopefully they will improve it.

Reinhard wins Season one  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Season 2 starts next week at Bathurst, please make sure you have checked for any updates, and aquired the DTM92 cars
(or the one you want) and also the track.

All seemed very stable and solid from where I was sitting.....until suddenly poor Anty disappeared in front of me.

I managed to accidentally delete my setup in practise but had it more or less back to what it was by race time. I ran low wings and as a result the car was a bit of a handful in the stadium section but good fun. Had a great race long battle with Frex until I made a mistake and he slipped through.....no need to have waited for me m8, that was all my own doing but thanks anyway  :thumbup1:

Really enjoyed this first series and have had some fantastic racing with you all. Great to see new members like Anty and Jim joining us as well as the regulars and hope to see you all next season. Well done to Reinhard for a convincing series win and to Matt for organising all this for us even though he couldn't make many of the races himself  :thumbup1: :thumbup1:

Well that was good fun  :)

Only finished 6th and about 30+ secs behind the top 5 but will take some positives in that I didn't hit anyone or anything, didn't spin and generally had fun other than the odd untidy lap, which considering my lack of track time with RR, I'm quite happy.
Got to say the cars sound superb! Had it cranked up loud through my 5.1 setup and it felt like I was in the car   :thumbup1:they also look impressive on track together.

I badly need some setup advice for the M1 though, it was understeer City and I also couldn't get the power down early out of the tight corners like others were. What wing did you guys run? I was on 2-7

Hey Mark

I ran a 2-11 default wing

BTW servers are down again, error 103 S3 needs to look into this

Ant

This was my problem, I'm not very good at setting up cars. Didn't expect to be competive but within about 10 seconds of pole.  Is there any site with decent setups?

Bad lag and disconnection for me last week, but no sign of that this time and easily running close to GT with no problems. Cracking race too, really enjoyed it, thanks GT.

With numbers steadily growing this has turned into a worthy Thursday night series imho, although I do miss the greater variety of cars in P&G. I have no desire to drive the more modern cars available in RRE though, they are just not my cup of Ovaltine. I'd be happy to stick with what we've been running so far, they are all excellent fun, just need the development of the game to continue. Although I also think it's worth keeping an eye on the other sims available.

Congrats to Reinhard, thanks to Matt for putting it all together, and roll on next season..

Be nice if some of the faster guys could pass on some hints about what they change from the default setups  :-*

For setup I ran I - 3 wing which on reflection was a bit extreme  ::) I also prefer the cars a bit stiffer than default as it helps them to be more agile.

There are adjustable traction control settings in the setup options for the M1 which helps get out of the tight corners. I configure the settings in 15% steps and map up/down buttons to my wheel. Don't overdo the % though as it can actually make you slower but is useful in longer races as you can gradually increase to compensate for tyre wear. Don't think the other cars in this series have TC which I suppose is in line with RL.

Interestingly there seem to be some more GTO class cars on the way to run with the Audi and add to the historic content of RR  8)

Need to learn a lot more, before i race again, was so slow compared to most of you, got lots of cut warnings and slow downs, second half of race car lost power and no use going into 5th gear. As above help required on car setup and how to protect engine, had twice cars suddenly appear next to me maybe my connection.

Grats to Reinhard on win

Grats to Podium

That's very different to my setup..  :)

I increased front Toe Out to give better turn in (less understeer), and also increased rear Toe In to give better traction on corner exit. I didn't use any Traction Control.
Braking strength increased to 100%, and brake balance pushed fully to the rear (50:50 ratio).
I think I softened springs by a notch or two at the rear, and ARBs were default. Wings at 2:10.
Reduced gearing slightly so I was running out of revs at the end of the long straight, just before the hairpin. For me this was quicker over the rest of the lap.

Reinhard is probably the best person to ask though, as he was way out in front. Although he'll probably say he was running default setup..  :)

I had a good time as well.  ;D  had no visible warping from the people I was running with.
We used to have intermittent warp/disco issues in P&G. it tended to be the same people
but anyone could suffer at times.

I will be using only these older cars for this series.
If there are more to come in the GTO class they will probably get an event in the series too.
I thought the GTO Audi was horrible to drive until I realised that there was no coast diff set as default
as soon as I gave it 50% coast it became drivable.

I had thought of combining the DTM92 and Touring Classics as they are similar pace, but that would be
too many car choices to justify it IMHO. I like 3 or 4 car choices, it's what I used to try to do in P&G

I also miss the wide choice of cars and tracks from P&G, though even in that I struggled at times
to find a good car/track combo. One thing that appeals to me about this sim is that the car sets are already
fairly well balanced, and more a question of personal preference than one car being an obvious winner.

Roger and any other people not sure about it... it suits my plan for world domination  ::)  if people stick at it, rather than give up to practice (which may or may not happen)
as always the more people turn up the more will turn up. You were running pretty well when I saw you, not sure why
you think you are off the pace, I am mid field at best in these cars, so welcome as many people to play with as possible.

Slow downs are  results of many cut tracks, so keep off the grass  ;D
the use of manual gears seems pants in this so far, auto clutch is highly recommended to save the engine/gearbox
I had not used the traction control, I didn't know how to, I should perhaps have set them presets to buttons.
Don't like those sort of aids anyway, but if it keeps me on the track I would do it.

Hey Gents

I ran a default wing setup, my front and rear ride height was 7.2 and 8.4. Toe front was -0.14, I normally increase my rear bar and decrease the front, this makes the car a little oversteery. The gears on this car are very important, they are too short default (M1) so I increase my final drive and twick my 2nd and 3rd gears. I generally bring my brake pressure down, I like a balanced bias, but beware don't go to much to the rear, if you do the rear will step out under braking. Traction is on 0% all tracks all cars. I believe the less wheel spin out of corners the better, if you can control the throttle you'll improve you lap times by a lot. TC limits engine power so I find it slows me down, but that's personal preference I guess. If you have to much spin out of slow corners decrease the rear bar and springs, but this will cost you because you'll have increased body roll in mid to high speed corners, more roll slower times.

The Key to setup is change one thing at a time. Remember less is more.

PS well done to Rienhard, he is legit and a legend. I don't think he runs default setups. I do think he setups are more bold than mine. But the Dude is toooo quick  :thumbup1:

Ant

hello,

my setup was close to default i think, as i think the cars are very good in default already, with only change basic settings.

other then change the gears,

i did in front ARB 120 and rear 17  (should be not much from default i think).
in springs i am used of GTR2 where soft springs usualy good for me, so i did in front totaly soft and then +2 clicks and same in rear, but +3 clicks (probably something like 155/115 or 160/110, did forgot, only know +2 and +3 clicks from softest).

the bump, bound things i did stay orginal, think it was 6 everywhere, this i never understand and if i say correct i feel no different, at least in GTR2, GTL, rfactor so it was.

tracktion controll i did orginal, think it was 0%, as i have actual not mapped a + and - step tracktion setting on my wheel (keyboard).

wings i had 2-12 or 2-13.

the differential things i had 60/30 with 2 or 3 the other thing.
brake i did much in rear, as this car do not make dump things during brake, so i had 51-49 with 93% strong (but think more is possible in this car).

think this was it, but i have no idea if this is good or not good setting, as the car was very unstabile in push push out of slower corners and i had to correct a lot in wheel during push push out of corner (do not know name for this, so i write..push push out of corner, haha)


race was good for me, but i did again (as usual) slow start and loose my pole, but anty did mistake and i was in front again after any time (did forgot when), then later he loose connection and i did drive alone.
i did like this 1st season, cars are very good, any are easy and are not so easy and for me, it is enough cars for select, i was never a fan of p+g the so much cars for select, as they never was well balanced, this was a main reason i never (or not often) did drive p+g in GC or here in UKGTR too, the performance of cars was much different and it is not possible to set up a equal performance of the cars, i think in R3E the cars are already not much different in performance and good for online leauge use, i like it easy, without testing each cars if car is good or not against the other cars.
looking forward to next season, but perhaps i have to miss the 1st round next thursday, not sure actual.

servus


edit...the carhigh i did down , in front and rear a little bit more then lowest, if 7 in front and 8 in rear is lowest (for example), i had 7.3 and 8.5 (1.2 the different was between front and rear), and definitely lower carhigh as orginal setting it was, and
the toe (if this is name) i had -0.14 too, like anty write, it was 1 or 2 steps more -, think 0.09 is orginal??, rear toe i did stay orginal)

ED: push push out of corner = accelerate?

Another enjoyable evening trayling around at the back of the field. I liked the car and Hockenheim is an ok circuit but it seems like I'm missing a vital element as no matter what I try I'm still so slow. Still I hope as more join I'll get to race other snails. Great to see a good size grid again, well done Matt.

Been there got the teeshirt. I am slower in GTR2/AC than I am in GTL or P&G no idea why
perhaps I am better with less nimble, slower to respond cars? These are not that to me
so my pace, when I get time to do some practice is about where I should be.

Link originally posted on this site back in 2010 by MJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbkkxwzK9HE&feature=related

Watch it in HD with the sound cranked up  :o :rockon: :thumbup1: :tt1:

Saw post some where with other tracks we will use in new Season, only you get higher discount purchasing in "bulk".

Not if you already have most of them and the remainder are at full price

In touring car championships all over the world weight penalties and reversed grids are used in order to even the odds and making the races more interesting. T'would be nice if these features were added to this game.

Stig

Thanks, bought Bathurst and Gr 5 Capri got a bigger discount on Bathurst than if I bought just the track. (I think that was it.)