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Title: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 20, 2006, 09:57:51 PM +0000
Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2 at Magny-Cours

Date: Sunday 26th February

Practice 1: 8:00pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S2
Password: Will be emailed to those that need it.

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive at least 15 minutes prior to qualifying, during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should wait till 5 minutes before end of Practice 1 before joining (8:25pm) so that they only take up genuine free spots.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=15) for general Endurance Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(5) Season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found elsewhere.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Nakano_56 on February 20, 2006, 11:35:49 PM +0000
might want to take the snow chains! http://www.weather.com/activities/travel/businesstraveler/weather/weekend.html?locid=FRXX0164&from=search


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 22, 2006, 07:43:27 AM +0000
A few notes and reminders are needed about the car pack and connection settings before this race as the result of the problems we had last weekend.

The lobby issue is out of our control and is an ongoing problem with GTR. Without knowing how it works underneath I can't be sure but my gut instinct backed up by over two decades of experience is that 1.4 and 1.5 would be no different in this respect.

The one question mark for me in the 1.4/1.5 debate is whether there's a correlation between those having 1 FPS and other issues and those who backed out a 1.5 installation to 1.4. I've had no problems but I've never had 1.5 installed. Could well be coincidence though.

On the subject of the car pack, we believe that the "no sound" issues are to do with cars from the previous versions of the pack which have not been properly removed before the installation of the new pack. Rich is writing a guide to removing them to be published ASAP.

There could be a similar issue with drivings taking cars which had to be altered for the pack, eg. those not using the UKnnn number scheme. It's very important that the version they use is the one from the pack, and not their own, incorrectly numbered one.

And, of course, everyone must remember that they must have the pack installed even if they are not themselves driving a skinned car.

Finally, on the subject of 1 FPS, stuttering, and poor FPS, drivers are reminded that the following steps are all known to have a positive effect on GTR's performance:
  • selecting "ISDN" as the connection type in the lobby screen, even if you have broadband; and
  • turning replays off.

We have a fair number of new drivers in Endurance this season so I felt after the opening round's problems that we needed to reiterate these things.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 22, 2006, 01:36:44 PM +0000
Okay, here's Rich's text about uninstalling and reinstalling the car pack:

Firstly, open GTRManager and uninstall SimRacing.org.uk carpack. If it is installed then it will be in the green list. Put a tick in the tick box on left in line with carpack and now in top right click the 'Uninstal!' option. Don't click Uninstall all !!!

Once uninstalled delete carpack from addons folder, e.g. C:\Program Files\GTRManager\addons_GTR\UKGTR ES2.zip .. now download latest carpack from here (http://www.ukgtr.org/downloads/carpack_UE2.zip). Put this downloaded carpack v1.3 into C:\Program Files\GTRManager\addons_GTR.

Now got to C:\Program Files\GTR\GameData\Teams. Look in the following folders for any UKGTR ES2 folders and delete them.

24H/Mosler
24H/Porsche 996 Turbo
GT/Ferrari_550
GT/Lister
GT/Porsche993GT2
nGT/Ferrari_360
nGT/Porsche996GT3
nGT/Morgan

Once you've deleted any remaining UKGTR ES2 cars, open GTRManager and install the latest v1.3 carpack as explained here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.0).

This may seem a pain to do but it's actually quite simple. I know if I install v1.3 and then straight away uninstall it works - removing every single file. If things get tampered with, things can get left in installation and affect installations made later on.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jamera on February 22, 2006, 01:59:01 PM +0000
Dave, re sound issues, completeley remove GTR and all addons, then cleaned registry as well with regcleaner, still got 2 instances of no sound on my car during praccy / quall. Race was fine though


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2006, 02:50:34 PM +0000
May I make a request re: car parks. Somewhere in the pack, the readme for instance, should be some version information. I am only aware of 2 versions of the pack yet Rich's/Dave's instuctructions refer to version v1.3  ???



Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 22, 2006, 03:00:14 PM +0000
May I make a request re: car parks. Somewhere in the pack, the readme for instance, should be some version information. I am only aware of 2 versions of the pack yet Rich's/Dave's instuctructions refer to version v1.3  ???

It shows the version number next to the addon within GTR Manager.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 22, 2006, 04:13:57 PM +0000
It shows the version number next to the addon within GTR Manager.

Does it, I wonder where that little gem is hidden then (non GTR-Manager user)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 22, 2006, 04:50:22 PM +0000
Does it, I wonder where that little gem is hidden then (non GTR-Manager user)

In the UI it's in the Addon Manager page, in the zip file itself it's probably within the binary addon file within the GTR Manager addon zip file.

My Team Shark cars have all been versioned, quite handy so you know what you have got installed and not installed. GTR Manager is the easiest way to install/uninstall all the addons for sure.



Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: BMMRZ3Roadster on February 23, 2006, 08:01:42 PM +0000
1 FPS bug and stutters.

I ran into this little gem with rFactor. I found by stopping the antivirus services after disabling Panda AV helped.

I run a small network, beleive it or not, the computer browser service was causing some gitters also. I also disabled auto update service.

I have never had a jitter since.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jakob_Schmidt on February 24, 2006, 10:42:44 AM +0000
It shows the version number next to the addon within GTR Manager.

Does it, I wonder where that little gem is hidden then (non GTR-Manager user)

I believe GTR-manager creates a small bat file with the package information inside the .zip file. You should be able to see it there.

Jakob


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on February 24, 2006, 05:47:34 PM +0000
1 FPS bug and stutters.

I ran into this little gem with rFactor. I found by stopping the antivirus services after disabling Panda AV helped.

I run a small network, beleive it or not, the computer browser service was causing some gitters also. I also disabled auto update service.

I have never had a jitter since.

Using AVG free edition AV and never had problems with that running. Then again, I got an AMD with ATi card and am obviously a super guru pc Penguin, hence I never EVAH run into troubles with pcs... ;)

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 24, 2006, 06:33:51 PM +0000
I used AVG Network Edition (yes I did pay for it!) across my home LAN, never caused me any grief like Norton and other such shite products.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Haiku on February 25, 2006, 05:10:32 AM +0000
Would you like the TPG Racing server for overflow? I would like to log another race for testing purposes.  Plus I have at least one other TPG driver that would want to participate.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 25, 2006, 08:56:10 AM +0000
I'm sure we would appreciate a 2nd server, but I wasn't going to ask after the low numbers last week. If you want to invite TGP members I would suggest you used a different password as we don't want the effort of having to change the official one each week.

Perhaps a standard password of "overflow" would do for servers fulfilling this roll.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on February 25, 2006, 12:20:53 PM +0000
Anyone interested in some practice tonight? I will put my mini server up if so.. do some dry then some wet. Btw when it's wet, what setting does SimRacing.org.uk use?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 25, 2006, 01:04:58 PM +0000
Btw when it's wet, what setting does SimRacing.org.uk use?

Plain "Raining"


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Haiku on February 25, 2006, 01:20:28 PM +0000
Yeah that is fine for the password.  I will let the TPG Racers know and any peeps you can't handle you can send over.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Clarey on February 25, 2006, 02:37:46 PM +0000
Haiku, dont bother passwording it, most people run v1.5 anyway and you use direct IP for connecting.  If you did get any unwanted peeps, just vote and kick them.

Can't make either main or overflow races this sunday, as i'm going to be stuck in a travelodge all week from sunday.......bah!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Haiku on February 25, 2006, 04:11:10 PM +0000
I have to password protect it...it's part of my server contract :/


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 26, 2006, 11:20:50 AM +0000
My home server is up with the car pack installed for the rest of the day hopefully if anyone wants to practice online.

SimRacing.org.uk (Shark) with usual practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on February 26, 2006, 11:56:15 AM +0000
Cool, got some shopping to do then will be on for a few laps later.. thnx. :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 26, 2006, 12:05:11 PM +0000
Just restarting it with the DX version (forgot I could do that at home as I have 2 discs) so should eliminate 1FPS problem at least for praccy on my little server.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Truetom on February 26, 2006, 08:35:09 PM +0000
PHA! Had to fix the wheel, now its FULL"  :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: enz13_gt on February 26, 2006, 08:52:39 PM +0000
same here,i was in and there were 3/4 reserves in  :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Truetom on February 26, 2006, 08:57:27 PM +0000
Heh, 1st one I missed 'cause of my hardware problems and the 2nd 'cause my wheel problems.  >:(

I'll go kill some in BF2 now.  :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: maverick on February 26, 2006, 09:17:58 PM +0000
got 1 fps bug in qual and have to leave and can't not rejoin again


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 26, 2006, 09:30:58 PM +0000
PHA! Had to fix the wheel, now its FULL"  :(

Were there reserves going in before 8:25 or were you just unlucky?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: enz13_gt on February 26, 2006, 09:31:25 PM +0000
lol ended up from spinning behind wall tried to reverse out got dq


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Mark J on February 26, 2006, 09:58:48 PM +0000
Shite! >:(

Was running 3rd NGT for first half of race, go to make a pitstop, all fine, but then as i go to pull out of pitbox, the car is now under AI control  :o >:(...it wouldnt let me have control back !..got half way round the lap seeing if it would switch back when i crossed the line but then got punted off by an impatient GT car anyway. Decided to quit in case the AI did anything stupid to others racers.

Don was that you who came in behind me and was trying to park in the same pitbox?

Gutted as a top 3 NGT was on the cards and the car was running well. :'(
Had weird stuff all eve with shared garage constantly in praccy & qualy.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 26, 2006, 10:18:46 PM +0000
Don was that you who came in behind me and was trying to park in the same pitbox?
Had weird stuff all eve with shared garage constantly in praccy & qualy.

Is that the carpack effect? ???


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Truetom on February 26, 2006, 10:20:22 PM +0000
PHA! Had to fix the wheel, now its FULL"  :(

Were there reserves going in before 8:25 or were you just unlucky?

Nah, couldn't join until Q2 was in progress - I joined practice, but had no FF. Fixed it, but it was about 8.45 when I tried to rejoin. It was rightfuly full, but another no-race for me. Must have used all my luck someplace else today  ::)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Mark J on February 26, 2006, 10:28:29 PM +0000
Dont know Dave to be honest. It could just be a bad sync thing when i joined later as a reserve it may have coincided with someone else joining and got its simbin wires crossed ::)

Have seen it twice before where its dumped another car ontop of me in the grid or garages, so dont think its the carpack.

The AI taking over was a first mind you ! :P :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 26, 2006, 10:34:38 PM +0000
that was me Mark, sorry, looked like you were going offline then came back, tried to sneak around but I guess I tapped you :-\


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: silver53 on February 26, 2006, 10:36:25 PM +0000
that was better a bit slow but at least no damage.cheers gerald


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on February 26, 2006, 10:37:31 PM +0000
You must have switched it on Jonzo maybe, it's in controller settings.. but i'm surprised it works in multiplayer tbh. Think there's setting in server .plr that allows or disallows it.

I've seen cars sharing garage in normal GTR. It's the poor netcode that causes it, server gets confused when lots of joining and leaving going on.

Can't believe I spun out. Made my usual slow start which I think caused a few problems behind. :) Then I put too much power on and did a big old fish tail into an HSBC sign, no bonnet, no splitter and a punture - end of race. ::)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: greg130 on February 26, 2006, 10:46:47 PM +0000
Well that was by far my worst effort for a long time.
Grats to the podium guys, well fast.

I started the race in two minds as to wheather I really wanted to drive, after about 20 mins I'd had enough.  Ive asked Dave to allocate my full time slot to a more enthusiastic driver, sorry guys but I'm just not motivated towards GTR endurance at the moment.  As a result I'm driving like a knob, well off my normal pace and making lots of silly mistakes, best if I retire now and let someone else take my place.

On the bright side the cars all looked good to me, no sound, pit or fps issues.

Have a good season fellas.
Bring on GTR 2  :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 26, 2006, 10:47:27 PM +0000
That was a really tough race. Well done to all the finishers and to Mo and Claus who were in a complete class of their own for pace. 2nd place for me and a good start to my campaign after not being able to attend Barcelona.

I was taking it easy all race (that and starting on a full fuel load to reduce the pit stop time, in fact I put so much in they didn't need to put any in at the stop, just gave me tyres! :o), really not pushing it too hard as 80 mins is more about finishing with no mistakes than driving on the limit and I knew I had no chance to catch Mo no matter how hard I raced so I settled for second before the race even began. Popabawa stayed with me for the first 20-25 minutes or so, but he seemed to lose more time in the traffic than me and eventually he disapeared. After the pit stop it was miles to Mo infront and even further to Popabawa behind, but it doesn't really make it any easier, such hard work keeping the concentration and the marbles, oooh, the marbles :-\.

After an hour I really started to flag, so hot, and my hands and neck were stiff, started making little errors. The last 20 minutes seemed to take forever, watching the counter tick down, started to pull over in advance of GT cars lapping as I was just feeling really wary of getting tangled because of being tired at the end. I've always thought the marbles at Magny-Cours were over the top and with 80 minutes racing it was like ice off the racing line, making any wandering off the line tricky especially to let cars by and so forth. Was really hard trying to watch where you were going and check in the mirrors all the time and not get caught on the marbles. I think the Simbin algorithms for the live-track stuff are not quite right, they lay too many marbles too quickly.

Server seemed to hold up well for me, no lag or anything tonight.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 26, 2006, 10:50:00 PM +0000
Phew. Hard work that!

Qualified in NGT 3rd with 0.5s off my PB  :o

Really chuffed with my NGT 3rd place ;D

I even managed to stay on Sharky's tailfin for about 10 laps until the traffic hit us and his experience meant he was losing far less time that me.

After the pitspot I had a decent lead on 4th so decided to play it cool and not push it too hard!

Grats to Mo, simply amazing again.

GT boys were superb whilst overtaking, best ever  8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on February 26, 2006, 11:05:29 PM +0000
GT boys were superb whilst overtaking, best ever  8)

Since negative remarks are not allowed please skip these remarks, rofl. Blood still boiling and reading that doesn't really help tbh... If u check last moderator report for Endurance at Barca and look at the replay for this one... I think u will disagree with it as well m8!
We never had such a low standard in last season imo. Well... Muorali... Maybe someone can check to see if his IP is back...

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on February 26, 2006, 11:06:57 PM +0000
grats to Claus and Mo,great pace Claus, paid the price for a bad qualifying session ,rammed off at the hairpin on the opening lap  >:(
car never felt quite right from then on.Good battle with Nakano and D Boyd for the last podium place at different times of the race but kept loosing the back end every time i pushed so ended up 5th.did find it laggy though,don't know if its just me?some cars warping and all seems a bit jittery on the graphics .
I think i was first reserve in and i joined at 8.25 off teletext only 16 in then Dave
hopefully see you all next time  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Minton on February 26, 2006, 11:08:07 PM +0000
Really enjoyable race , pb time in quali . Got the trye pressures a bit wrong and struggled a bit in the race but enjoyed driving the ngt . Chuffed with 5th in class , all i need now is some Optrex!! ;D
AVG Started to update halfway through and my game froze just before the chicane so appoligies to anyone who was messed up by that.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: whitham69 on February 26, 2006, 11:09:50 PM +0000
Well that was a good race for me in the gt2, couldn't stop laughing at the last circane as all the ngt came flying past :D,the gt2 just don't do kerbs!! good racing by all there. role on enna with even BIGGER kerbs


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: ginsters sponsored on February 26, 2006, 11:24:52 PM +0000
No technical issues for me. Just rank bad driving cost me.

Love/hate relationship with Magny continued. After OK quali began race chasing pops, only to get sloppy and make a stupid mistake. Then had a great dice with Don, Dan and Whitham. Good clean fun, with the odd bump of course (racing incidents for me), with all until I made another stupid mistake and slipped down to 19th. Decided to pit and just hope for the best, and through what seeems others misfortune I managed to make up 6 places but only overtook 1. Unsatisfactory way to gain places but I know how quickly that luck can change, I'll take it while I can.

Looks like your having the rough end of it Tyf, as those who lapped me were pretty fair. Apologies to Greg and Maurice if I slipped up as they passed me.

You have nothing to apologise for Greg. Shame to see you go but I look forward to newer battles in GTR 2.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 26, 2006, 11:27:52 PM +0000
AVG Started to update halfway through and my game froze just before the chicane so appoligies to anyone who was messed up by that.

I learnt my lesson with Virus Checkers when first racing GTR, so I now always turn it off before racing so it doesn't bugger me up with an update half way through.  :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Minton on February 26, 2006, 11:32:44 PM +0000
AVG Started to update halfway through and my game froze just before the chicane so appoligies to anyone who was messed up by that.

I learnt my lesson with Virus Checkers when first racing GTR, so I now always turn it off before racing so it doesn't bugger me up with an update half way through.  :)

Defantly be turning it of from now on,  Got me propa stessing!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Minton on February 26, 2006, 11:39:14 PM +0000
GT boys were superb whilst overtaking, best ever  8)

Since negative remarks are not allowed please skip these remarks, rofl. Blood still boiling and reading that doesn't really help tbh... If u check last moderator report for Endurance at Barca and look at the replay for this one... I think u will disagree with it as well m8!
We never had such a low standard in last season imo. Well... Muorali... Maybe someone can check to see if his IP is back...

T

Had no probs being lapped , all were patient and used there heads.  Getting lapped by Claus was quite funny he could catch  and pass me  before i could tell what colour his car was .  :D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on February 27, 2006, 12:36:23 AM +0000
1m33 something was it in quali 33.6?

Anyhow new record and exceptionally quick. Gonner have to get my shit together if I want to compete to be GT champion.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: greg130 on February 27, 2006, 12:47:52 AM +0000
paid the price for a bad qualifying session ,rammed off at the hairpin on the opening lap  >:(

Yep that was me, applologies couldnt miss you despite being on full brakes and trying to turn onto the grass to avoid you.  Hence the reason I pulled over and let you and Boyde sail past me on the s/f straight a lap latter.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on February 27, 2006, 02:01:30 AM +0000
no worries Greg was never going to be my race anyway  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Don on February 27, 2006, 06:20:29 AM +0000
 :-[
The first half of the race was great for me. It all started to go wrong as soon as I went in for my pit stop, My team mates car was sitting in the box being refueled etc. I sat behind for what seemed like an age waiting for his car to be serviced, then decided I couldn't lose anymore time and went back out on track and pitted back in on the next lap. No blame intended for my Teamie as there was nothing that could have been done about that situation, but it must have cost me 30sec plus.
Being really stupid and trying to make up time I started to push beyond my limits which resulted in a few spins and then a stop/go for good measure.(hopefully I will learn from this)
I would also like to say sorry to some of the GT guys (no contact) but I must have scared the shit out of some of you a few times. Thought they did a good job on the whole whilst overtaking (sorry Tyf)
Finished the race in last place which was kind of disappointing after such a good start and all the effort put in to race for 80mins. Someone has to be last I guess :-[

Funny I have been playing this game for about a year and a half and GTR has always run fairly smooth (apart from the odd 1fps) but recently I have been having graphical problems (upgraded my graphics card about 4 months ago, so it shouldn't be that), and it's not just since the addition of the carpack! Could it be that 1.4 is causing these problems?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 27, 2006, 07:18:06 AM +0000
You must have switched it on Jonzo maybe, it's in controller settings.. but i'm surprised it works in multiplayer tbh. Think there's setting in server .plr that allows or disallows it.

Just checked and the "Enable AI Control" setting is disabled!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 27, 2006, 07:26:54 AM +0000
Sorry for the delay, replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Magny-Cours%20-%20Endurance%20S2%20260206.zip) and provisional results now posted


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 27, 2006, 07:53:44 AM +0000
im confused on team points calculations?
Rules state "top 2 from each team score points towards team championship" yet we show 9 for barc when I got 10 and CJ got 4, and 15 for Magny when CJ got 15 and I got 8?? Im sure its just me being stupid but if someone could explain, sorry.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 27, 2006, 07:56:56 AM +0000
I learnt my lesson with Virus Checkers when first racing GTR, so I now always turn it off before racing so it doesn't bugger me up with an update half way through.  :)

I make sure I do an update just before starting GTR/GTL/... so it doesn't pop up whilst racing but I don't have to turn it off.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 27, 2006, 08:00:09 AM +0000
im confused on team points calculations?
Rules state "top 2 from each team score points towards team championship" yet we show 9 for barc when I got 10 and CJ got 4, and 15 for Magny when CJ got 15 and I got 8??

The team points aren't just the total of driver points, it runs as a whole different championship. If you go to that event's page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=98) and hover your mouse cursor over the race finishing positions you can see how the scoring is done. In your case CJ got 10 team points for winning and you got 6 for finishing 3rd out of the team runners.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 27, 2006, 08:41:38 AM +0000
ok makes sence Dave, thanks


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 27, 2006, 08:51:38 AM +0000
Getting lapped by Claus was quite funny he could catch  and pass me  before i could tell what colour his car was .  :D

LOL. Yes, Claus was flying, I couldn't believe the speeds he would suddenly appear in your mirror then dissapear off into the distance. Wow!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: ginsters sponsored on February 27, 2006, 09:04:21 AM +0000
By the fourth and fifth times I was getting use to it  ;). Amazing standard and so far ahead of a classy field, wow indeed.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: silver53 on February 27, 2006, 10:57:02 AM +0000
Hi once when I came onto the pit straight I am sure there was a car half in and half out of the barrier just its bum showing . Also had a car jump on top of me in the pit garage. cheers gerald


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Mark J on February 27, 2006, 12:27:39 PM +0000
Regarding my pit-stop, i certainly didnt hit any keys to activate 'AI control' so no idea why it switched over control and its disabled in my config file.

Reading my team forum posts it might be that one of my teamies didnt use the pit request or did it late (to be confirmed) so when he came in, the AI had allocated a pit box that i was already being fuelled in. ???

But like i said, it was doing odd things like dumping me ontop of another car several times in the prac & qually sesh...are there enough garages at Magny? Wondering whether the full field of 24 was stretching capacity of garage allocation?
I still think it was just a poor netcode syncronisation when i joined as a reserve at the same time as several others. I've seen it twice before in online races.

To Dave Boyd....no worries on the bump, i actually wasnt in control of the car at that point, the AI had taken over. That was my outlap from pit-stop and i was waiting to see if it would give me back control at end of lap or re-pit. But after seeing it could potentially wreck others races, i retired. :'(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Aagramn on February 27, 2006, 12:43:37 PM +0000
"Allow AI control" was enabled on the server when I checked it last night after the race. Just to confuse Picnic I turned it off and re-started the server ;) (I was thinking it should be turned off while we remembered, and that I should leave it running just in case it was needed).


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 27, 2006, 12:49:24 PM +0000
Here's what I'm wondering regarding Mark & Don's pitting problems.

There were 3 NGT Legends drivers in the race, all our cars in the carpack are based on the same car and so are allocated to the same pit garage;

Code:
PitGroup="GTec_MotorCompeticion"

There are enough pit boxes as Magny so we should get one each but I'm wondering with three drivers whether GTR allocates two garages to the team (in this case based on the GTec_MotorCompeticion group) and shoehorns three drivers into them, thus the problems that Mark and Don saw.

OTOH, I was well out of the pits by that point so if my theory above was correct, then there still should have been 2 slots available  :-\ Maybe I got allocated one, then Don (we were in first as FT drivers) so when Mark came in as reserve GTR got confused and randomly put him in with Don?

Interesting also that Pro-Eco and ZiP (at least) had three drivers last night and presumably they didn't have the same problems. That could have been down to the timing of the pit-stop's but it would be interesting if they stopped at the same time and whether their cars are all allocated to the same PitGroup in the .car files (sorry, I can't check at the moment)

We've discussed possibly staggering our pit-stop's in future races to avoid this happening again but it would be interesting to know if this IS a carpack issue or whether is was a random GTR netcode blip.

Pops.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 27, 2006, 01:00:40 PM +0000
We've discussed possibly staggering our pit-stop's in future races to avoid this happening again but it would be interesting to know if this IS a carpack issue or whether is was a random GTR netcode blip.

Yes would be interesting to know.

I sort of also like the idea that team's only get ONE garage though, i mean how many engineers do you have changing wheels and fueling at anyone time anyway? Some of the big teams like ZiP probably have a huge entourage, but smaller teams can't possibly afford that many engineers.  ;) ;) :P :P :o :D ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 27, 2006, 01:08:20 PM +0000
Bit of extra info., Mark's saying that when he got dumped into the same garage as another driver it was a Ferrari so maybe it's nothing to do with the PitGroup.

Also, dunno if this helps but when we've done some private team practice sessions, we've never seen the garage issue even with all four of us on track.



Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: picnic on February 27, 2006, 01:14:23 PM +0000
Server's up running Estoril for praccy for tomorrow's NGT sprint race, you could pop in later as a group and all pit together to see if the same problem exists in Portugal


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Mark J on February 27, 2006, 01:23:56 PM +0000
Server's up running Estoril for praccy for tomorrow's NGT sprint race, you could pop in later as a group and all pit together to see if the same problem exists in Portugal

Just suggested that very thing on our team forum !  be good to know before the next endurance race  :P  but i still think its netcode/sync ???


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 27, 2006, 01:26:03 PM +0000
Maybe we won't see a problem unless all the other garages have been allocated though  :-\

<sigh> This is going to be a tricky one to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. It might be almost impossible to replicate.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: whitham69 on February 27, 2006, 01:37:25 PM +0000
Is the pit stop places not the same as real life with 1 spot per 2 garage slots


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jamera on February 27, 2006, 02:30:33 PM +0000
Well what can I say, decided to take the big bad Bi-Turbo out, cobbled together a driveable setup from one that Tyf sent me and seemed good. That was until the end of the S/F straight on the 2nd lap. Misjudged my downshifting  and ran wide into the wall, instant puncture in the front right and aero damage and a WHOLE BLOODY LAP to get round to get it repaired. After limping it round I was already getting lapped before I got to the pits and was desperately trying to decide what to do with my pit strategy. I decided the only sensible thing I could do was fill it right up and go for a non-stopper. Things were going well, car felt good, albeit a little heavy lol, tyres felt good after a few laps and I was closing down on the back markers. That was until BOOM, black smoke and flames everywhere, guess I pushed that turbo just too far. Oh well learnt from it, STAY ON THE BLOODY TRACK ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: ginsters sponsored on February 27, 2006, 02:43:19 PM +0000
Lol Jam, I did wonder who lit the bonfire mid race.  At least you were warm.

Is anyone going to own up to taking out ALL the markers down to the hairpin    ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: mo on February 27, 2006, 02:46:08 PM +0000
Is the pit stop places not the same as real life with 1 spot per 2 garage slots


I think this is correct - each pit box has two garages.
But the game normally has no problems allocating garages even if the entire grid choose the same car eg F550 #21.
It seems to have some way of extending that team's alocated pitboxes/garages.

I had a strange one last night too when it came to pitstop time.
I knew that it was odd that my pit crew hadn't called me for fuel by half distance, and when I looked at the meter I saw I only had 4 litres left (lap 22).
So I made a pit request but they responded with something I couldn't quite make out (it definitely wasn't the normal come on in kinda thing). So I requested a pit again and got the same muffled reply, and then I decided to go around for one more  lap(lap 23)  and hope that I'd be called in then.
Didn't happen though so I requested again and it worked this time  ???

Anyway it appears they weren't letting me pit during laps 20 to 23 for some reasson and this was nothing to do with teamie SBG who had made his stop on lap 19.
In the end I had 1 litre left when I hit the limiter so it was close.

The game doesn't seem to have a 'Box' light to let us know if the pit is busy (unless this is on the HUD which I've never used).
Anyone else get a weird response from pit crew when requesting their pit?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: mo on February 27, 2006, 02:47:07 PM +0000

Is anyone going to own up to taking out ALL the markers down to the hairpin    ;D

 :o  they were there for the whole race for me !!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Don on February 27, 2006, 02:49:31 PM +0000

Is anyone going to own up to taking out ALL the markers down to the hairpin    ;D

Oh yes, that was me ::) sorry.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 27, 2006, 02:53:31 PM +0000

Is anyone going to own up to taking out ALL the markers down to the hairpin ;D

 :o they were there for the whole race for me !!

They were there for the whole race for me too!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: ginsters sponsored on February 27, 2006, 02:57:18 PM +0000
??? Were you both on the Magny National course or something, might explain your pace. It really caught me out first time around.

I had a same sort of thing in practice mo. When I requested stop all I heard was some mumbling from crew but it was drowned out by engine noise. Luckily everything was fine in race last night.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: whitham69 on February 27, 2006, 03:17:30 PM +0000
Should you make request for pit stops ??? I just drive in announced.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 27, 2006, 03:24:49 PM +0000
Should you make request for pit stops ??? I just drive in announced.

That's one of the great unanswered questions of GTR! :)

There's a rumour that if you use the 'request pit-stop' function, it's quicker because your pit-crew are then ready for you when you drive in.

However, AFAIK, it's never been proven whether this is the case or if it's just another urban legend :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: mo on February 27, 2006, 03:26:51 PM +0000
..but at least you know not to pit if they say dont acknowledge the call.

It might help avoid some of the pit problems mentioned above.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 27, 2006, 03:47:00 PM +0000
Should you make request for pit stops ??? I just drive in announced.

Why risk it? I always request pit. How else is my team going to know they need to get my special second half of the race race tyres and extra octane fuel ready for me?  ;D

I can never make out what they say over the radio so I just press my button give them most of a lap to get ready and then come in. Always works for me, never a problem. I  usually fill the tank full at the start to save time in the pits, so I never get the pit call anyway, so I have to request pit stop as my fuel would last all race.

I must admit I was tempted to do a no stopper after 40 minutes yesterday because my car felt ok, not stunning but not really bad. Glad I didn't cause in hindsight I don't think the tyres would have actually lasted as well as I would have hoped despite my smooth conservative driving.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: whitham69 on February 27, 2006, 03:49:55 PM +0000
True i never thought of that, what the possibility of them saving me 10 minutes as that the sort time i need to make up ;D.

When ever i tried to do the car to pit radio i find it very hard to hear what they say is this normal?

While were on the topic of fuel. is the gauge that show how many laps you can do correct? I seem to use more than i should. 80 minutes im having to use 130-160 liters


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Krueger on February 27, 2006, 04:24:49 PM +0000
Well , i had a uneventfull race all in all... In qualifying there was a lot of trafic and didnt get a decent lap in but got the 2nd place atleast.   In race CJ disapeared after few laps and others behind me run into some troubles , so my race was very lonely , only action i saw, was when there was cars to be lapped ahead.   Took my time to get past them as safely as possible and lost a huge amount of time compairing to CJ , but it didnt change anything , coz CJ's pace was out of this word anyway ;D.

Had one wierd incident when i was closing a red F360 (i think) in last part of the track and i was going to lap him soon , suddenly that car started to warp towards me backwards and i tried to slow down and changed to other line , but finally that car freezed in last corner and i went through it    :o . Dont know what hapend to that driver , tried to look back but never saw the car anymore , looked like a connection issue to me , but sorry anyway if i hit someone there.

Unfortunately there seem to be a slight misunderstanding on team roster and i was not racing to my team (GTNDC)  , so this effort went a bit waste , but 'stuff' hapends and i hope everything is in order before next race.


Thx for the fun and cya in next one , if there are available seats that is..   ;)

edit:  Congratulations ofcourse for Claus (GT) and Mo (nGT)  , dominating performance   8).



Title: My apologies for yesterdays endurance race
Post by: BMMRZ3Roadster on February 27, 2006, 04:50:13 PM +0000
To whomever it was I drifted into on the straight leading into the right hander that exits the pits, I formally apologize. I got a wheel or two of the track when I slowed to allow someone to pass. My bad and I am guilty as sin. I reported it for what it is worth. I did my best out there allowing those to pass. I have a long ways to go and still learning how to drive fast. My rig reset on lap 27 or so. I live in the states so I hope it was just a disconnect from the lobby. Still investigating  ???

I had a great time just the same. The experience I gained was awesome.

Thanks to all those who put up with me yesterday!!!

You guys are cool!  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 27, 2006, 04:57:18 PM +0000
While were on the topic of fuel. is the gauge that show how many laps you can do correct? I seem to use more than i should. 80 minutes im having to use 130-160 liters

Depends on the car. Most are pretty accurate, but it depends how you drive it too. It bases the value in the garage on how you've been driving in the session you look at it. So normally this means you get more out of a tank than it says as you rev it more in qualifying and less in race. I tend to only go up to the first red line on the rev counter (on the HUD display) in the race to save the engine and keep fuel consumption in "the zone".

The Lamborghini is particularly thirsty on fuel and it always seems to use more than it says whatever you do, but that might be the way I drive it.  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 27, 2006, 05:10:07 PM +0000
Unfortunately there seem to be a slight misunderstanding on team roster and i was not racing to my team (GTNDC), so this effort went a bit waste, but 'stuff' hapends and i hope everything is in order before next race.

I see you have now been invited to join GTNDC so you just need to do the join bit from this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=431.0) and you'll be sorted for the next race.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Mark J on February 27, 2006, 05:48:22 PM +0000
Quote
So I made a pit request but they responded with something I couldn't quite make out (it definitely wasn't the normal come on in kinda thing). So I requested a pit again and got the same muffled reply

I had exactly the same thing Mo, i did wonder why it was muffled and whether they had said something different but couldnt make it out and have never heard a different response to a pit request.

Do they say 'dont come into pit or go around again' if someone else has been allocated that fuel stop ?  This endurance series is my first experience of pitstops in GTR so perhaps there are more responses? Anybody know?

It all points to a sync thing or GTR not providing enough garage slots to the cars on track for simultaneous stops. :-\


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Krueger on February 27, 2006, 06:07:36 PM +0000
Unfortunately there seem to be a slight misunderstanding on team roster and i was not racing to my team (GTNDC), so this effort went a bit waste, but 'stuff' hapends and i hope everything is in order before next race.

I see you have now been invited to join GTNDC so you just need to do the join bit from this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=431.0) and you'll be sorted for the next race.

Yeah , all sorted out now...  thx :) . It was just a small misundertanding from my part as usual  ;D   .



Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 27, 2006, 06:14:12 PM +0000
Do they say 'dont come into pit or go around again' if someone else has been allocated that fuel stop ?  This endurance series is my first experience of pitstops in GTR so perhaps there are more responses? Anybody know?

Was the big red square flashing? (Dunno if you get that in the cockpit view, certainly you do from the bonnet view.) If you get a muffled response quite often you need to ask again, although with pit stops that can be a problem because you might be inadertently cancelling it! Hence the Big Red Flashing Square thing. (Try it offline and you should see what I mean.)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: aajay_uk on February 27, 2006, 07:32:31 PM +0000
Poor race from me. I just do not seem to be able to get the hang of this track and struggle to keep the car on track for more than 5/6 laps at a time, although I did manage around 20mins in last nights race. I knew I was going to be in trouble during the week, when I could not break the 1m 41 barrier in a Lister. Qually finally saw me do a 1m 40 but was still slower than the fastest N-GTs. This has got to be my worst track as I'm normally closer than this to the default time.

Race started OK, gained a place due to the spin at the hairpin, I then missed the braking point at the first quick right/left sequence and dropped a couple of places. Gained those places back over the next few laps, was soon lapped by JC and then it started to go wrong. Had a couple of spins into the gravel at various points on one lap and ended up losing more places, in trying to get them back ended up driving into a wall. Don't think the car was badly damaged but decided I was in the wrong frame of mind for racing and called it a night.

aajay_uk


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 27, 2006, 10:11:04 PM +0000
GTR quite aften gives that garbles pit request reponse, but I have yet to figure out what exaclty causes it. I always just hit the request again, this then often creates the "ok pit request is canceled" and then once more until I get the "ok pit in at the end of this lap". One way or the other it should not effect your pit process though, you can actually turn on the HUD and it shows a light if you have a pit request current. I think one thing that can mess it up is, the game will automatically generate the pit request based on the setup loaded, then if you hit the pit request button it can turn it back off.

As far as the problems guys had when pitting, some I think are normal some are bugs I guess. For sure there is only 1 pit box for every 2 cars, so if you pit at same time you will have to wait. This does not seem to be team related, but more of in the order you joined in. In some leagues I check to see which garage I share a pitbox with and check with that driver on pit strategy. If anyone noticed I pitted pretty early, and this was specifically to avoid this type of issue. (I will send you a bill for that bit of strategic intelligence :P).

I think if you have wierd stuff when joining the room though like 2 cars in same garage etc, that is a bug, and could be related to the AI taking over etc. I have rarely seen this, and especially should be rare with only 24 drivers. Its best to disconect and re-join in this case, which with the current "lottery" system of reserve drivers is a bit of a risk.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on February 28, 2006, 12:40:40 AM +0000
something weird,i had 2 moslers around me at the start one in front and one behind on the out lap,just looked at results and there were no moslers in the race  ??? also had another car in my pit garage in quals


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 28, 2006, 07:51:40 AM +0000
In some leagues I check to see which garage I share a pitbox with

How do you check that?

Thanks for the info. Useful stuff :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 28, 2006, 04:07:52 PM +0000
Just by looking at who is next to you. Sometimes you have to drive down the pits and use look left or right, but its usually easy enough to figure it out.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers" on February 28, 2006, 04:56:06 PM +0000
Just by looking at who is next to you. Sometimes you have to drive down the pits and use look left or right, but its usually easy enough to figure it out.

Lol

Im sure Pops was thinking there was a much more technical answer than that one!  :D

Cheers

Rob


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 28, 2006, 05:01:56 PM +0000
Just by looking at who is next to you. Sometimes you have to drive down the pits and use look left or right, but its usually easy enough to figure it out.

Lol

Im sure Pops was thinking there was a much more technical answer than that one!  :D

Cheers

Rob

Yeah, I was!  :D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on February 28, 2006, 05:34:09 PM +0000
 ;D
Oh ok, then type Shift+Alt+G, turn your head to the left and cough, and THEN just go look at who is next to you  :P


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on February 28, 2006, 05:53:06 PM +0000
;D
Oh ok, then type Shift+Alt+G, turn your head to the left and cough, and THEN just go look at who is next to you  :P

Ahhhh! That's MUCH better, thanks  ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on February 28, 2006, 10:54:54 PM +0000
I sort of also like the idea that team's only get ONE garage though, i mean how many engineers do you have changing wheels and fueling at anyone time anyway? Some of the big teams like ZiP probably have a huge entourage, but smaller teams can't possibly afford that many engineers.  ;) ;) :P :P :o :D ;D

Our entourage is about 3 busloads of might fine looking female Penguins! Then of course there's our FPS side of things with all their laptops for their daily need of fragging fun. They handle all the data of our cars as well in their off hours, lol! Obviously some1 needs to satisfy the needs of our groupie Penguins and this at first sight rather elaborate task is of course handed 'up' to the team captain. Hence I've missed a 'couple' of races when 'resting' ;) ;D :P!

8) 8) 8)

Is anyone going to own up to taking out ALL the markers down to the hairpin    ;D

I can confess I did it in praccy m8, which I noticed 2nd time around and outbreaking myself there, haha! Not the one in race though :D

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on February 28, 2006, 11:37:21 PM +0000
anyone else got Greg,Spudgun and at least 1 other person in moslers  ??? on the replay aswell


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Aagramn on March 01, 2006, 12:04:22 AM +0000
I'll take a look tomorrow Jon.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: greg130 on March 01, 2006, 12:51:18 AM +0000
anyone else got Greg,Spudgun and at least 1 other person in moslers  ??? on the replay aswell

That expalins what I was so slow.  ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on March 01, 2006, 10:55:18 AM +0000
anyone else got Greg,Spudgun and at least 1 other person in moslers  ??? on the replay aswell

Looked at replay, Greg is in Care Racing F550. So server has original and carpack files working np.. can only be maybe from installing and reverting between 1.4 and 1.5 patch. Maybe new GTR installation is good idea and making new folder for 1.5 like I do, that way 1.4 is left untampered with.

I think carpack is a success and it's safe to say when guides are followed it works. Shame about GTR pit sharing bug.. i'm surprised you didn't come across this in season 1?

Even when RS did a gdb for pitstalls in WOSEC I still found a completely random car sharing my pit slot i.e I was in F550 at Anders and when I came to pit, Jon_M's Lister was in same pit slot as me.

Maybe if someone can confirm that this happens with normal GTR cars too then this will rule out carpack as the cause. I don't see how it can be though, because it's exactly the same as if there are two lots of BMS teams! Seems like a genuine bug..

GTNDC, you were in league with default GTR cars right? Did you have pit slot share issues too there?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on March 01, 2006, 01:26:04 PM +0000
I remembered in season 1 the races were 60 min so probably not so many pit stops.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 01, 2006, 01:37:28 PM +0000
Yes it was. I don't think many of the NGTs pitted at all and some of the GTs didn't either (usually Listers). I don't think there were as many pitstops at such an obvious half way point being done.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: popabawa on March 01, 2006, 01:46:05 PM +0000
I seem to hazily remember problems with pit garage sharing back in the grim old days when I still ventured into the public servers. When you joined a game, sometimes you'd get dumped on top of another car.

I think they might have been sorted out with the 1.4 patch but I could be wrong about that.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 01, 2006, 04:59:48 PM +0000
anyone else got Greg,Spudgun and at least 1 other person in moslers  ??? on the replay aswell

Nope. Is your carpack burgered up? Have you got other 3rd-party cars installed which might be using the same numbers?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Spudgun on March 01, 2006, 09:30:05 PM +0000
I was definitely in a Lister... err.. I think..  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on March 01, 2006, 10:10:09 PM +0000
Nope. Is your carpack burgered up? Have you got other 3rd-party cars installed which might be using the same numbers?

This will be it, other addon cars with same number as GTR cars. There's list of car numbers at RSC http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=189518 .. there must be some Mosler addons with same numbers.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Spudgun on March 01, 2006, 10:18:54 PM +0000
Talkng of car pack stuff... Its no real biggie, but whenever I download a server replay and play it back, none of the cars have wheels.  You can just see the brake discs going round.  It's okay for seeing how things went in the race, but it just looks really weird.  Any ideas?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 01, 2006, 10:21:37 PM +0000
Talkng of car pack stuff... Its no real biggie, but whenever I download a server replay and play it back, none of the cars have wheels.  You can just see the brake discs going round.  It's okay for seeing how things went in the race, but it just looks really weird.  Any ideas?

That's normal. It's a bug in the noDX server. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid. Simbin didn't fix this till they released 1.1 of GTL!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Spudgun on March 01, 2006, 10:26:55 PM +0000
That's normal. It's a bug in the noDX server. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid. Simbin didn't fix this till they released 1.1 of GTL!

No prob.  Just curious. :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on March 04, 2006, 03:48:01 AM +0000
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Nope. Is your carpack burgered up? Have you got other 3rd-party cars installed which might be using the same numbers?

its a fresh install 1.4 patch then the first skin pack which i deleted and put on v 1.3 skins they were all in the skin pack mosler that came with v 1.3 should i just delete the mosler file?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on March 04, 2006, 03:49:35 AM +0000
how do you do quotes  ???  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 04, 2006, 09:50:18 AM +0000
how do you do quotes  ???  ;D

Like
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Use the Preview button to experiment.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers" on March 04, 2006, 11:58:02 AM +0000
Click the "quote" button on the top right hand side of the post that you want to quote.

Cheers

Rob


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on March 04, 2006, 01:29:03 PM +0000
cheers what about the mosler thing should i just delete the folder?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on March 04, 2006, 01:47:40 PM +0000
cheers what about the mosler thing should i just delete the folder?

Hey Jon, I think the only default GTR Moslers are Perspective Racing and Rollcentre Racing. So any other I would delete.. except for UKGTR ES2 Mosler of course.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on March 05, 2006, 07:53:18 PM +0000
thanks rich


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Jon Chadwick on March 05, 2006, 08:00:47 PM +0000
it was the ukgtr mosler i was seeing ?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: Rich_A on March 07, 2006, 10:08:30 PM +0000
That doesn't seem possible but there's always one - i'd try reinstalling GTR then carpack, can't go wrong that way.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 2, Magny-Cours - Feb 26
Post by: D Boyd on March 08, 2006, 11:24:10 PM +0000
Rich,
Having another car in your pit stall is not a bug, and I dont think the car pack has anything to do with it. As a rule there are 2 garages for every 1 pit stop space, and it seems that it doenst matter what team or car you are in, they game just slots everyone as they join. If you come into pits and the guy you happen to share that pit space with is pitting then you will have to wait. Its just like it would be in real life only not based on the team because the game throws that out in online races when the team mix gets wierd. Maybe if you did an offline race with exact default cars it may do it by team but I know it doesnt for online races.

Now that being said some of the stuff like AI taking controll or being stuffed into a 1 car garage with another car, those are bugs, and usually will be fixed by leaving and re-joining. Having someone in your pit stall is usually just bad timing, I would bet if you looked at the replay whoever ended up in your pitspot was in the garage to either side of you when the session started.