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Title: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 01, 2006, 10:22:57 PM +0000
Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3 at Enna Pergusa

Date: Sunday 5th March

Practice 1: 8:00pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S2
Password: Will be emailed to those that need it.

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive at least 15 minutes prior to qualifying, during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should wait till 5 minutes before end of Practice 1 before joining (8:25pm) so that they only take up genuine free spots.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=15) for general Endurance Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(5) Season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found elsewhere.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 03, 2006, 03:57:53 PM +0000
Shall we have a sweepstake on how many cars manage to finish?  :D

I say less than 5....


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 03, 2006, 04:05:14 PM +0000
I'm optomistic, I say 13, after many limps round to the pits for repairs.  :-\


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 03, 2006, 04:13:37 PM +0000
I reckon I might just pit after the first lap.... and stay there for the duration.

I can then nip to the pub and enjoy a few pints while you lot sweat yer nuts off bombing round here.

Bet I'd still pick up a few points :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: picnic on March 03, 2006, 04:16:45 PM +0000
At least the weather looks like it will be dry  8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 03, 2006, 04:34:43 PM +0000
I've already written off around 20 nice new KC 911's during just one hours practice. Got a new pb though  :-*. Those tyre walls have a strange hypnotic hold over me.

Can't be scarier than driving the Beamer around there with the NGT/GT boys, like I did last year. I reckon 50% will finish. 


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on March 03, 2006, 05:28:51 PM +0000
I really like the track. I think alot more people finished last time then we expected then as well. Rain would be awesom imo! :D

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 03, 2006, 06:22:34 PM +0000
yeah, Enna is really not too bad IMO, and good thing is a season can often be won or lost there, since its often the place that one rival will survive and the other/s may not  :P


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: LEUVEN on March 03, 2006, 06:48:31 PM +0000
This track makes me wish I registered for endurance now :'(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 03, 2006, 07:35:52 PM +0000
I like the track but the gt2 a real handfull over the kurbs, catch one wrong and it pitchs the car in all sorts of directions. I can see myself lasting 4 laps maybe 5 before i end up in the barrier. my PB is 1.37.7  :-[ only 7 sec of the pace. beware of a slow moving gt2 at every kerb


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 03, 2006, 11:07:24 PM +0000
I like the track but the gt2 a real handfull over the kurbs, catch one wrong and it pitchs the car in all sorts of directions. I can see myself lasting 4 laps maybe 5 before i end up in the barrier. my PB is 1.37.7  :-[ only 7 sec of the pace. beware of a slow moving gt2 at every kerb

Despite the high speed nature of the track, I always run high ground clearance to make sure the car clears the curbs properly. Have you tried that on the GT2?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 04, 2006, 12:07:51 AM +0000
There's no avoiding the curbs here. :) This means not so strong fast dampers which means car can hit curbs and absorb energy but takes an age to settle afterwards. Got to use some packers and fairly high front ride height which also adds to resettling time plus less downforce from ground effect!!

I'm not too quick at Enna but if you can keep on the brakes into curbs with Porsche, should give a better ride - cause the trick is with curbs is to get as close to neutral weight bias as possible. Then it will ride the curbs like they ain't there.. but if you try accelerating over curb, specially in Porsche [rear engine] the rear will bunny hop like crazy and front won't steer.

And not too easy getting tyre temps up cause there's no fast third gear type bends, all ikky fanikitty .. if tyres linger around 70 - 80 this will not be using all potential grip.



Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 04, 2006, 10:11:28 AM +0000
I tryed the lot over the last few  months, normally i get the porker to handle consistently, not fast, but predicable. but hitting the last set of kerbs is a lottery as were the car will go. My plan is to change my lines aliitle and not push to hard at the last set of circanes and bring it home, slow and steady. With the nature of the track a few people will crash out on the tyres walls. maybe the tortoise will win lol. To go fast you need a low rear wing setting but the gt2 doesn't allow for that over 80 minutes


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 04, 2006, 01:18:05 PM +0000
Greg has given up his full time sport in GT; Mo requested to move into it from NGT so I've said he can do so effective immediately.

I expect I'll announce a new full time NGT runner shortly.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 04, 2006, 11:10:54 PM +0000
Been on server tonight, there was strange instance of lag.. we quit and I hosted my mini server. Might have been lobby or maybe some server actvity, was about 9.30pm? Lobby is acting wierd again, had two 'Lost connection with lobby'!! But thankfully no sign of problem with my connection according to router..


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 04, 2006, 11:16:37 PM +0000
me and nak56 got problems to. password and name error. had to reboot then all was fine must of been 9.30 ish


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 04, 2006, 11:45:52 PM +0000
I got disco'd twice tonight from lobby


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on March 05, 2006, 12:35:38 AM +0000
I had no disconnections tonight!

Then again... I didn't race at all! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Gd game Simbin ;) :D :P

8)

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Don on March 05, 2006, 10:01:05 AM +0000
(http://www.marcgoossens.com/www/images/Formula_3000/1996_astromega/1996_EnnaPergusa01.jpg)

Taking a bit of kerb at Enna ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 11:47:56 AM +0000
I can't get into the lobby today at all.

Anyone tried getting in with 1.5? I've not got it installed at all, so can't try it.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 11:50:20 AM +0000
Hmmm, Not got 1.5 to try. This doesn't bode well for the race tonight though does it, unless we go over to direct I.P. not sure if that still needs to go through the server though?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 11:50:58 AM +0000
Direct IP isn't going to help as it still needs the lobby (how F***ing stupid is that?!).


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 11:58:09 AM +0000
Fingers crossed that it is sorted out by tonight then. Last night was strange, just got disco'd from the lobby twice, no warning just came up with a lost connection message. The ukgtr server got very laggy for a bit as well with a lot of warping, wondered if it was my connection til Rich said he was suffering too. Strange thing was that Rich then hosted and we had no problems at all


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Don on March 05, 2006, 11:58:35 AM +0000
I got in this morning, all the servers were in the backup lobby ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 11:59:48 AM +0000
Is there a way to force entry to the back up lobby?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 05, 2006, 12:41:46 PM +0000
There used to be a way but better to try for main imo..

Not sure if this is still valid but i've done it.. http://www.gtr-game.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2158

This is what my host.ics looks like

# Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
#
# For example:
#
#      102.54.94.97     rhino.acme.com          # source server
#       38.25.63.10     x.acme.com              # x client host

127.0.0.1    localhost
83.138.128.205 www.simbin.net


Maybe worth a shot for the server and clients. Also in .plr there is a timeout option before going to backup, try making it longer.

i.e Lobby Login Timeout="50" // Time allowed (in seconds) before Login to the internet lobby will timeout


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 12:59:13 PM +0000
We shall see what happens tonight I guess. I just got into the backup lobby, but it's going to be a nightmare if some are in the backup and some are in the main and the server will be in one or the other. I thought all these problems went away with 1.3 but I wonder if they are testing GTR2 or something.  ;D

Anyway, offline practice, I just did a 1:36.7 in the Ferrari 360. A new PB for me. Really flying, quite literally on a couple of occasions thanks to Mr and Mrs tyre chicane.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Don on March 05, 2006, 01:18:23 PM +0000

Anyway, offline practice, I just did a 1:36.7 in the Ferrari 360. A new PB for me. Really flying, quite literally on a couple of occasions thanks to Mr and Mrs tyre chicane.

Are we driving at the same track ??? And I thought a 1.40 was ok :-[


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 05, 2006, 01:18:37 PM +0000
Might I suggest making sure server is in main as it's impossible to get in backup intentionally. Maybe you could start server now with the right settings for tonight then leave it running as is. When it's 8.00pm only got to vote next event.. not sure if it can be done this way but probably easier now to get in main rather than later.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 05, 2006, 01:42:04 PM +0000
I expect I'll announce a new full time NGT runner shortly.

As expected ;) Mark Jonzo is taking over the extra full time spot in NGT.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: picnic on March 05, 2006, 01:47:31 PM +0000
Might I suggest making sure server is in main as it's impossible to get in backup intentionally. Maybe you could start server now with the right settings for tonight then leave it running as is. When it's 8.00pm only got to vote next event.. not sure if it can be done this way but probably easier now to get in main rather than later.

Just tried a couple of times but the server is at the mercy of the system as much as the clients and keeps ending up in the backup lobby :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 02:08:19 PM +0000
If you are a full-time driver and can't get into the server tonight because of lobby problems please post here so we know.

I would also therefore suggest that full-timers get to practice 1 early in case they need a few attempts to get in etc.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Aagramn on March 05, 2006, 02:10:30 PM +0000
Are we driving at the same track ??? And I thought a 1.40 was ok :-[

It's possible to carry silly speeds into the tyre chicanes in qualifying, not so easy in the race where one twitch and you are out. Looking at the S2 NGT Sprint results only 3 drivers managed under 1:40 in the race. You might want to check your aero settings as well, think I run something like 1 & 5 at Enna.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 05, 2006, 02:12:16 PM +0000
I cant get on still, tryed new reg but failed i try again later, What the rule concerning this will it rescheduled or be tough luck for the people that cant get in.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 02:12:25 PM +0000
Are we driving at the same track ??? And I thought a 1.40 was ok :-[

For endurance racing, race pace of 1:39 / 1:40 should be top 3.

In qualifying it all hangs out and every conceivable risk is taken through the tyre chicanes.  :) Have a look at the Sprint race times from this season...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=59

My new PB would have taken pole by 0.4 of a second in the Sprint. Of course getting the car to go as fast twice is the challenge!  ;D 8)

EDITED - My new new PB would have taken pole by a shade under a second in the Sprint race. 1:36.1 now in the Ferrari 360. I am at one with my car! Bet I wont reproduce this pace tonight! Should push quite a few GT boys though.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 03:33:08 PM +0000
So 1:41xxx in race trim on meds 40mins fuel should  be ok then?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 05, 2006, 03:46:06 PM +0000
Quote
For endurance racing, race pace of 1:39 / 1:40 should be top 3.

If anyone (other than you Shark) can do that pace for 80 mins in an NGT then they will be 2nd by a loooong way!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 04:08:33 PM +0000
Quote
For endurance racing, race pace of 1:39 / 1:40 should be top 3.

If anyone (other than you Shark) can do that pace for 80 mins in an NGT then they will be 2nd by a loooong way!

We'll see. I usually get too scared at Enna in the race to go remotely near my ultimate pace. My race pace in practice is around 1:39. It's unlike any other circuit in terms of qualifying times being anything near race times.  :D After 60 mins I can see lots more accidents happening through tiredness. Although this race wont be 80 mins as you will cover the distance faster than the 80 mins. I suspect it will be 70-75 mins in reality.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on March 05, 2006, 04:46:58 PM +0000
Anyone quicker than this: Enna (5)    PORSCHE 911 BI-TURBO    GT    01:39.976

Please stop posting times, lol, it's demoralising and I already have a hangover, rofl! :D ;D :P

8)

T


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Truetom on March 05, 2006, 05:45:26 PM +0000
Lobby success at about 3 p.m.: 3 x unsuccessful, 1 x successful.  :-\


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 06:32:38 PM +0000
So 1:41xxx in race trim on meds 40mins fuel should  be ok then?

Lol, guess I should point out that's in an F360 and not a GT :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 05, 2006, 06:47:10 PM +0000
Anyone quicker than this: Enna (5)    PORSCHE 911 BI-TURBO    GT    01:39.976

Please stop posting times, lol, it's demoralising and I already have a hangover, rofl! :D ;D :P

8)

T

Hmm, looks like I did a 34.8 and CJ did a 33.3 in the turbo there, but then again CJ is pretty much king of the turbo ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 05, 2006, 06:50:47 PM +0000
just got into main loby no prob


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 05, 2006, 07:23:21 PM +0000
just got into main loby no prob

Me too, no problem. Fingers crossed!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 05, 2006, 07:32:44 PM +0000
no problems here now 8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 05, 2006, 09:13:21 PM +0000
AAARGH! Got onto the grid, tried to put it into 1st gear and... nothing happened.

Unable to change gears so I had to retire....  >:(

Stupid game.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 05, 2006, 09:18:28 PM +0000
Bugger, 2nd or 3rd lap 1st chicane just clipped the right hand one and launched skywards. Don't you just love/hate this track  >:(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: mo on March 05, 2006, 09:54:53 PM +0000
Bugger, 2nd or 3rd lap 1st chicane just clipped the right hand one and launched skywards. Don't you just love/hate this track  >:(

I did exactly the same.
Too tired after driving across the country with a hangover, 2 secs of my pb so I'm off to bed....good luck all.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Minton on March 05, 2006, 10:19:28 PM +0000
Was driving a cautious race , 18 mins to go and i clip a tyre wall , race over, gutted!!!!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 05, 2006, 10:28:16 PM +0000
AAARGH! Got onto the grid, tried to put it into 1st gear and... nothing happened.

Unable to change gears so I had to retire....  >:(

Stupid game.

Bummer Pops. I went into controller to check still working before heading into race as it keeps losing my controls nowadays. Was it just your gears or whole lot gone?


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Don on March 05, 2006, 10:31:15 PM +0000
Managed to finish the race ok ;) but drove like a Grandma :-[


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: whitham69 on March 05, 2006, 10:34:14 PM +0000
well pleased with that race got the gt2 home cant belive it :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Mark J on March 05, 2006, 10:34:49 PM +0000
Similar tales of disaster for me. :'(

Qualied about a second slower than my PB, was struggling to focus after arriving home from France about 6 minutes before i joined the session ! :o  Took me an age to finally get a sub -1:40 time.

Race was totally worse, got punted off by a GT car on lap 1 and dropped to the back of the grid. Then several laps later, had slow spin on final set of turns and got beached on the kerbing, lost about a minute going forward and backwards trying to clear the kerbs whilst all the GT cars came lapping past..already ::)
Then had some reasonable pace for quite a while and overtaking some cars, apart from the odd barrier brushing moment :P, but then left my pit stop until about 43-44 minutes, dive in and theres Tyfs car sitting in my pit slot >:(...dont know whether he was having damage repaired as i saw him stack it a lap or so earlier ??? or whether his car was just 'parked'there. I sat there for a dogs age, getting lapped yet again and lost about a minute, his car wasnt moving so i pulled out the pits and went around again. Saw his car was gone so then hit pit request again and all was dandy this time.
Got a second wind on the new tyres, despite some body damage that was overcooking my front right tyre and clawed a couple of places back near the end, but had lost so much time so it was otherwise a race i'd rather forget. :(

Top driving by the front GT cars and have to give kudos to Mr Shark who was flying in his 360. 8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Spudgun on March 05, 2006, 10:52:59 PM +0000
I didn't get chance to get on tonight.  Just as well I'm reserve.  I hope everybody had a good race!


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 05, 2006, 11:16:09 PM +0000
Didn't make one mistake, quite uneventful race. Great pace up front.. roll on Brno.:) 

Btw I apologize now for having my lights on, will make sure they're off next time!! And I bumped two nGT cars, i'm sorry.. not used to having to slow down that much. The other bump was cause I didn't slow down enough for an incident, could have been a right mess that one.. happened in an instant, difficult to judge and react at such short distance.:P


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 05, 2006, 11:22:37 PM +0000
Gutted for you pops. I have the same problem with GTL but only when I join, a rejoin normally cures it, and never between sessions. Fecking annoying.

Grats to Shark, different class, and Don, on nice podium. Big hats off to GT boys, amazing pace and very patient. Still very scary when Mr.Boyd catches you so quickly (five times  :o).

Enjoyed all to brief battle with Tyf. Once that was over had a real quite race, a minute behind Shark and a minute ahead of Don. Nothing to do but avoid the barriers. Sure we will get some better racing at Brno.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 06, 2006, 03:41:47 AM +0000
in case anyone is not aware, if you loose your controller like that in the room, you can reset it without leaving. Just go to the force feedback tab in controller settings and change the force(med to low for example) and then change it back, should be all set after that. It also works in GTL. GTL has an incar reset of just the force feedback (ALT+F) but that doesnt restore the controller if its totally gone just FF.

Anyway had a decent race, best so far in this league I guess, fortunatly 2nd was pretty easy, though 1 big mistake put me back to 5th for a while. There was never any hope of keeping up with CJ so as long as I had a good gap on 3rd, I really took it easy. N'56 pit really late which had me wondering for a while but he finally went in and just sailed home.

Had some really lucky and exciting "Incideint Avoidance" moments :P, My in car view should prove to be pretty exciting viewing on those ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Don on March 06, 2006, 07:36:41 AM +0000
Oh, Wow Did I really make it onto the Podium?
If so, I think that was more due to other peoples failures than any special driving from me ;) I will enjoy it though as it doesn't happen very often to me :D and boy it feels sweet after running out of fuel in the first race and our pit-stop fiasco at Magny last week.

Thanks to the GT boys great job in overtaking as usual.
D :-*


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: enz13_gt on March 06, 2006, 07:46:59 AM +0000
man what a disaster,ran a pretty uneventful race,managed to squeeze the last out of the fuel and pitted at 46mins,needed only rears pressed ok ,and it finished pit stop without changing tyres and fuel,had to exit :( good job by the ngt cars


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: picnic on March 06, 2006, 07:59:55 AM +0000
Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Enna%20Pergusa%20-%20Endurance%20S2%20050306.zip) and provisional results are available


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 06, 2006, 08:22:00 AM +0000
Right, with hindsight, I think I know what when wrong with my gears.

I use the wingman profiler thingy to map DFP buttons for gear change to the keyboard to avoid the 'double-shift' problem.

All was fine in practice and qualifying.

At some point in qualifying, I ALT+TAB'ed out to check a phone number for Mrs Pops. When I went back into the game for the last 10 min of qualifying, the buttons had lost their mapping to the keyboard, so I re-assigned directly to the DFP buttons and all was OK again.

I'm guessing that between sessions, the buttons then re-assigned themselves back to the keyboard so I then couldn't change gear while I was sitting on the grid :-\

Stupid. Only myself to blame for messing around unneccessarily >:(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 06, 2006, 09:59:46 AM +0000
Grats to Shark, different class, and Don, on nice podium. Big hats off to GT boys, amazing pace and very patient. Still very scary when Mr.Boyd catches you so quickly (five times  :o).

Enjoyed all to brief battle with Tyf. Once that was over had a real quite race, a minute behind Shark and a minute ahead of Don. Nothing to do but avoid the barriers. Sure we will get some better racing at Brno.

Thanks. Think i lapped everyone in the same class and even a GT car, which was quite suprising. I do like Enna, one of my best tracks, really suits my precision driving style, but it rarely produces very good battles. I certainly wont be that fast over everyone else at Brno which is a fabulous racing track.

Was quite hard lapping the other NGTs as I didn't have any extra power like the GT cars to power past on the straights, so very gentlemenly of everyone to let off the power so much to let me by easily. Was even harder with the GT car I lapped. Couldn't get anywhere near on the straights and therefore no chance of being anywhere near on the brakes. Had to wait for a mistake before being able to get by and then off into the distance with my extra speed through the tyre chicanes.

And I bumped two nGT cars, i'm sorry.. not used to having to slow down that much. The other bump was cause I didn't slow down enough for an incident, could have been a right mess that one.. happened in an instant, difficult to judge and react at such short distance.:P

That'll be me.  :) I slowed for the spinning Maverick (?) and never know which way a spinning car is going to go across the track so was playing it really cautious, unfortunately just caught you out with the slow down and you tapped my bottom sending me spinning. No probs as I had just lapped my nearest competitor in class so didn't afect my race and was a difficult moment for all the cars to know what to do.

I look forward to Brno, usually a good race there.

Looks like Team Shark is going to find it impossible to win either championship with only 1 driver in each class. Anyone want to defect to Team Shark to help a legendary team win the team titles?  ;D 8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 06, 2006, 10:48:13 AM +0000
At some point in qualifying, I ALT+TAB'ed out to check a phone number for Mrs Pops. When I went back into the game for the last 10 min of qualifying, the buttons had lost their mapping to the keyboard, so I re-assigned directly to the DFP buttons and all was OK again.

I'm guessing that between sessions, the buttons then re-assigned themselves back to the keyboard so I then couldn't change gear while I was sitting on the grid :-\

Ah, I've seen that one myself. Sometimes the Profiler doesn't pick them up when you first start GTR either. An Alt-Tab and back is usually all it takes to sort it out... if GTR survives and doesn't crash that is! :o ::)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 06, 2006, 11:14:24 AM +0000
Best not to alt tab at all for a race imo. I've had issues with Profiler too where FFB would go funny if i'm still driving and sesson changes.. to fix it I think starting GTR through Profiler did it rather than applying a persistant profile. Also disabling OSD and Hotkeys in ATI Tray Tools affected it.. ! So I make Logitech Profiler profile in ATI Tray tools, start Profiler with ATI Tray Tools and then start GTR through Profiler.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: popabawa on March 06, 2006, 11:21:39 AM +0000
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Best not to alt tab at all for a race imo.

Yes. Absolutely. I won't be doing that again :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 06, 2006, 11:28:53 AM +0000
Actually what I said i'm not sure is correct. ATI Tray Tools is very odd program .. but I thnk it's safe to set persistant profile in Profiler. Delete ATT profile for Profiler and start GTR normally through ATT profile. As long as OSD and Hotkeys are disabled in ATT for racing should be ok. By disable OSD I mean in Tools & Options\OSD\ and also in GTR profile in Additional disable OSD option here too.

It might be that Profiler does need to start GTR rather than a persistant profile, i'll test it and find out for sure..


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Mark J on March 06, 2006, 12:03:59 PM +0000
Anyone got any clues on why my pitstop was ruined again. Last time it was Don who suffered as he came into pit and found my car already being attented to, this time i left it until about 44-46 minutes only to find Tyfs car sitting in my pitbox  ??? There were about 30 other empty pit slots the AI could have sent me too but chose the one where a car is already there >:(
At least it didnt switch me to AI control this time ::)

Tyf were you 'parked' there or having a normal pit stop or lengthy damage repair?

Is Legends the only team in the pack with more than two drivers?  Just trying to eliminate reasons.
Now i'm on full time status it 'might' make a difference as i wont be joining same time as other reserves. (i had a shared garage again in praccy and had to jump out and back in game again to clear it).


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 06, 2006, 02:34:37 PM +0000
At some point in qualifying, I ALT+TAB'ed out to check a phone number for Mrs Pops. When I went back into the game for the last 10 min of qualifying, the buttons had lost their mapping to the keyboard, so I re-assigned directly to the DFP buttons and all was OK again.

I'm guessing that between sessions, the buttons then re-assigned themselves back to the keyboard so I then couldn't change gear while I was sitting on the grid :-\

Ah, I've seen that one myself. Sometimes the Profiler doesn't pick them up when you first start GTR either. An Alt-Tab and back is usually all it takes to sort it out... if GTR survives and doesn't crash that is! :o ::)

I have the DFP and NEVER use profiler, had nothing but grief with it when I tried. Now I just set up each game the same so I still have a constant key set throughout


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 06, 2006, 04:38:54 PM +0000
Anyone got any clues on why my pitstop was ruined again. Last time it was Don who suffered as he came into pit and found my car already being attented to, this time i left it until about 44-46 minutes only to find Tyfs car sitting in my pitbox  ??? There were about 30 other empty pit slots the AI could have sent me too but chose the one where a car is already there >:(
At least it didnt switch me to AI control this time ::)

Tyf were you 'parked' there or having a normal pit stop or lengthy damage repair?

Is Legends the only team in the pack with more than two drivers?  Just trying to eliminate reasons.
Now i'm on full time status it 'might' make a difference as i wont be joining same time as other reserves. (i had a shared garage again in praccy and had to jump out and back in game again to clear it).

Mark,
As far as I know the only factor is that the guy you happened to share the pit space with went at the same time as you. This would be the driver in the garage next to you. Pretty unlucky deal for you for sure, especially since you waited so long.
Now that being said there could be a bug of some sort, and I think there definatly was at Magny for you, but if you re-joined and were not sharing a garage and everything else seemd "normal", I have to think it was just bad timing.

It is a good place to mention, I hope that nobody would ever sit in the pit space for an unnessary length of time, and if they are done would hit esc and go back to garage. Can't imagine someone would, but stranger things have happened, Ive had guys sit off track to watch the race causing yellow flags the whole race ::)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 06, 2006, 05:13:43 PM +0000
As one of the "new kids on the block" after a couple races under my belt I have a couple observations about the league. I hope you all will take it as constructive input and not criticism. I just point them out as somthing for the organizers, powers that be, and/or other members to think about.

One thing that is a little surprising is that a driver that DNF's still gets scored and recieves full points for whatever place he finishes in. I would think that crashing, blowing an engine, running out of fuel etc would have a bit more dire consequences. There are of course differant schools of thought on this, one being just score it like GTR places you (the way you guys are doing it I assume). Then there is no points unless you finish (real life for most series). Or some form of a compromise where you have to complete a certain percentage of the race, and/or you only get points for certain reasons that ended your race etc.

Another issue I would suggest is possibly splitting qualifying up into 2, 15 min sessions, 1 for each class. Im sure the Ngt guys dont like having us come charging up behind them, any more than we like them hindering our laps. IMO you should be able to run at least 2 good 3 laps stints in 15 minutes, and if you cant put up a good lap in that time, then you dont deserve to :P. The other thing that could help the situation if you do not want to split it would be to limit the total number of laps during the half hour to say 12. This would make for less traffic during the session as guys reach that limit and can no longer go out. I also think that guys should be encouraged to stay in garage if they have put up a lap they are happy with and dont see the order changing. Drivers should definatly not be going out during qual in thier race sets just for practice sake either, and at at least 1 race I saw a "pitting out with race fuel" message posted.  :-[

Anyway like I said, not trying to tell you how to run your league, just some food for thought ;)

All in all it has been fun so far, good organization and system, thanks for those that work hard to make it happen ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 06, 2006, 07:31:14 PM +0000
Being a NGT boy, and a lot slower than you  :'(, can I offer a different view of quali.

I think the half hour is the perfect length. I can relax, pull over for faster drivers due to the extended time, and it does take me that long to get a decent lap in (nothing to be proud of  ;)). However I appreciate, and have seen, that some pretty avoidable things go on in quali and how they can be very annoying. I would appreciate some moderation (sorry chaps) to iron out the honest mistakes that occur in quali.

I don't think major changes are necessary as the best drivers always come to the fore with current set-up.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 06, 2006, 07:55:57 PM +0000
valid points, there is always a differant view, my point was just that if you had 15 min for just the 12-14 nGT boys, you would have a better chance of getting an undistrubed good lap in than in the 30 min with all of us fighting for the same space.

again not expecting to change things, just offering food for thought. Every method of doing things comes with advantages and disadvantages and everyone will have a differant take on what defines each.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 06, 2006, 09:28:17 PM +0000
I see the mixed qualifying as a skill for all drivers. It adds some extra interest and difficulty to be able to get a good lap in whilst lots of others on track, in the same class or not there can be quite a difference in speed. This can be quite an art and also sometimes down to luck, which is no bad thing. Luck plays a part in motor racing, but also you could say you make your own luck.

I like the idea of limiting laps, but there is no inbuilt option in game to do that so it's difficult to moderate. We also have people turn up at different moments in qualifying and people that go out and come back in to the game through technical difficulties making it difficult to say how many laps anyone has done or what counts as a lap or not.

As one of those that often uses qualifying to do last minute checks on my race setup I don't see this as a problem. Because I'm on a race setup I take extra caution to get totally out of people's way if not on qualifying laps, so that shouldn't be a problem in itself as long as people are using common sense.

Completing a certain percentage of the race before getting points is a good idea in my opinion. Don't know how Gizmo feels about that and what complexities that might bring to the scoring code?

Thanks for the feedback.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 06, 2006, 10:03:02 PM +0000
I've somehow managed to not be able to force triple buffer in ATT. Seemed to happen after I directed Profiler to GTR.exe - tried many things, can't get it to force triple buffer any more so i'm reformating. Needed doing anyhow so np. I recommend not directing Profiler to GTR.exe if you use ATT and triple buffer.

I'll have to live with sometimes loosing FFB on session change.. although think there's still way to avoid it. If you have problems with Profiler, try to make mental note of time left and get back to garage before session changes. Only happens when i'm outside and session changes.. I got to use Profiler cause of it's cool key delay options for fixing double shifts and also good for assigning MoTeC, mirrors ect to button on wheel. If anyone knows of a better key delay program let me know please.

When I figure out how to make Profiler work best, i'll add it to tips thread. I'm fairly sure it worked fine when I directed Profiler to GTR.exe and then started GTR through it but this is what caused the no triple buffer situation due to both Profiler and ATT trying to tell GTR.exe what to do. So i'll probably try directing Profiler to ATT, start ATT with profiler and then start GTR through ATT profile!!

 


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 06, 2006, 10:27:13 PM +0000
Firstly, on the subject of qualifying, as Shark says I think the mixed qualifying is part of the test of skill. The next patch for rFactor will hopefully bring "private" qualifying with limited laps to the PCC but for now, with GTR we're stuck with a single mixed session with no lap limit because from a purely pragmatic point of view anything more becomes an administrative headache.

The "pit out race fuel" is to a certain extant a holdover from GPL, which didn't have a warmup session available, but as long as those doing a final pre-race shakedown are careful to stay out of the way of those who are still qualifying it shouldn't be a major problem.



Now, onto the grant of points being concomitant on finishing a certain percentage of race distance. There's no particular technical problem with implementing this (multiple classes are always fun of course ;) ) but whatever percentage you pick will be arbitrary, and a driver who goes out 1% short of the mark because they are unfortunate enough to be taken out by somebody else's accident will feel justifiably aggrieved - especially in endurance where they might've raced for 50+ minutes and end up with nothing to show for it.

It's also worth pointing out that when I wrote the FILSCA GTR parser a year or so back, not one of the leagues was using the percentage feature (it was never implemented because nobody actually asked for it).



ps. Thanks for the thanks. ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: D Boyd on March 06, 2006, 11:11:12 PM +0000
Good feedback, yeah, I ran MoG at FILSCA and as far as I can tell you got no points for a DNF no matter what the reason. (I honestly think this is the way it should be) The one exception was when Marko ran out of fuel on the last lap from the lead, Christoph manually put him in since he had completed more laps than like the 4th place driver that officially finished.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Paul968 on March 06, 2006, 11:22:10 PM +0000
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Now, onto the grant of points being concomitant on finishing a certain percentage of race distance.

Concomitant? Are you OK Dave?  ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Jamera on March 07, 2006, 09:04:51 AM +0000
n. & a. accompanying (thing or circumstance). concomitance  ;D


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: [ZiP]Tyf on March 07, 2006, 04:45:20 PM +0000
Lo peeps,

Had a rather eventful race, but an enjoyable one this time. Managed a decent start, drove behind Gins for a while, thinking I'd take it easy , since it's an 80 mins race etc. Dunno how many laps in but after some 10-15 I made a slight error and had spin #1.
15000 Laps in GTR or so and still a rookie ;) I spun again soon after, not thinking I had prolly overheated the tires. Then a bunch of reasonably steady laps, woohoo ;).
Until at I think 40 mins into the game, there was either a hitch in the game, cause I saw a couple more peeps crashing at the same time or I just lost my Bi-T-touch ;) (guessing it's that ;)) and crashed hard into the barrier in the corner AFTER the 1st tire chicane! :D
Engine out, rear wing had decided to take a holiday at exactly the spot where I hit the guard rail (how funny is that ;) :P) and some more damage to suspension as well, haha! Floored the throttle and nothing happened... Rammed my ignition and starter key several times and looooooooooooooooooooooo and behold!? German engineering, haha! My LUVVVerly Bi-T started again, loool!
Limped back to pit and had to do a 220 secs pit stop!!! Longest I've ever seen I think, hehe. Hence Jonzo had to wait his turn I guess ;). Nothing much I could do about that, flashed my lights a bit for entertainment value, lol! But he went out for another round after a while.  ??? :o ;)
Car fixed, felt great after that, dunno why!? Great bunch of laps in, all very steady. Managed to 'gain' 20 secs on whoever was in front of me at the time and opened a lead of 20 secs on the 1 behind me.
Not realising there wasn't a lot of time left for the leaders to finish, I kept semi-pushing it and managed to hit the tire chicane at a speed that even for German engineering was a bit too much (only just ;)) LOL!
3 Laps later... the race was finished, haha. 4 Places lost (3 in class I think), but still enjoyed it tbh.

T

P.S. Gutted for Popa btw, thought u had that wheel problem at first, which I sort of had at Barca :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Krueger on March 07, 2006, 06:03:51 PM +0000
Hello

Sad race all in all , had all kind of troubles in last corners and ruined my race pretty much in there... Hit the right side wall once , went to kittylitter on left once  etc...  Tried to gain some time on pits and took only fuel , continuing with same set of tires and it worked pretty good , car was drivable through the race and got the 3rd place after all , but beeing lapped was not in the game plan   :P.  Thx 4 the race and congrats to winners...  Untouchable pace , well done...

Next one should be good , hopefully theres room again to join...  cya there  :)


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Krueger


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 3, Enna - Mar 5
Post by: Rich_A on March 07, 2006, 10:57:06 PM +0000
I wondered how you made up that distance cause it was me then Mo then you for a while, a few hundred meters between us each then after pit stops you were 15 seconds ahead! I was closing but not enough time left.. agh well nice strategy work Kru.