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Season 29 Historic Trophy - Round 1 – Monza

The first round of the season will be at Monza in Italy, one of the most famous circuits on the Formula 1 calendar.  An iconic track, it has been used in every Formula 1 season apart from 1980 when the circuit was undergoing refurbishment (the Italian Grand Prix was held at Imola that year). Renowned as a high speed circuit, slipstreaming is paramount here and it usually produces very close racing.

There have been ten variations in track layout over the years.  The variants which don't use the famous banking are called the road circuits. For this race we will be using the 3rd variation of the Road Circuit which was used between 1955 and 1973.  With no chicanes this is the fastest variant of the road circuit.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

All races will be run at 60 frames per second – please use this patch 60fpsV2newmod (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/60fps/).

Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.

This race is for cars with 3 Litre engines.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = look in iGOR
Race date = Tuesday 06-10-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 34 laps (50 Minutes)
Variant = 1966 3L
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season29/Historics/)

Driver lists and rules (please note the rules for the Historics are different this season) can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=512&theme=6)

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.

New rules this season gents.  Remember there are five 3 Litre races:

06/10/2015	Monza
03/11/2015	Spa 67
01/12/2015	Rouen
26/01/2016	Sachsenring 1967
23/02/2016	Bremgarten

You must pick at least 1 car from each group.  So that means if you do 3 or more of the 3 Litre rounds you must have used at least one of the Group 1 cars (Mclaren M2B Ford or T1G Eagle Weslake) and at least one of the Group 2 cars (BRM P83 or Lotus 43 BRM) in addition to any of the Group 3 cars (Honda RA273, Cooper T81, Brabham BT19 or Ferrari 312).

So pick your chassis for Monza carefully.

I think I may have found the problem with UKGPL4 and fixed it.

Praccy server up on IGOR please test your connections.

Please note UKGPL4 is only a backup, the intention is to use UKGPL8 for the league race tomorrow.

Things deepen.. This time, as soon as I was on the grid, all cars disappeared, Q bar rising.. last time it was only once I moved from the grid slot/pit box. ::)

But then, even stranger - my car was stuck to the slot! This replicates a problem Lorenzo had in oAo! :o

That means I don't even get the 2x better 3 lt groups to take the challenge to Mark in the races I can hopefully start :P

Unlucky Iestyn.  I didn't fair much better.  Bogged down at the start and then got in a tangle with Evil at parabolica on Lap 2.  Sorry mate when you bounced off Axel into my path I had nowhere to go :(

You have to laugh  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No really you have to laugh  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

By the way is it obligatory to drive with your eyes closed this season  :laugh: :laugh:  :laugh:

See you all at the next banger race  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ai,ai Axel,this time with your spin you have started a big carnage:Entering the parabolica i was convinced that the yellow flag was for the car in the send(so not slow) but behind the curve i have found the track full of car.
Is a shame ,Monza is one of my prefered for the races.

Sorry Ronnie, I think I destroyed your race (and your car) at the end of lap2.
There was a big crash at the exit of Parabolica, I spun  two times due to other cars before our incident.
Maybe, you and Bastian had too much speed and were not enough cautious when you were seeing this crash.
Just before, I had a look but could see no coming car...

For the final result, the server lost 3 cars : Mark (the winner), Philippe (6°) and another (Tim ?).

 

Yup - Me :(
Do you want an incident report for it or will you sort anyway?

Good race other than the server forgetting I was there  ;D

Yes sorry for the spin, could not push esc fast enough to avoid this, SORRY

Tim wich position you had crossing the line?

I try to sort it out with the replays last lap crossing the line, but the times do not match the reports :o

MB crossed the line 53:15 and 54:48
DL crossed the line 53:45
PG crossed the line 53:58
DR crossed the line 54:14
TM crossed the line 54:19 and 56:03
SB crossed the line 55:14
DY crossed the line 55:18

I'm pretty sure Phillipe and David were a lap down, so order should be Mark, myself, Tim, then Sam and Doni.

edit: replay for download has size of 0 bytes?? re-edit: rpy's working now, thanks

May not help much,  but I've certainly found loading replay into GPL.tv client helps as it show the track & driver labels moving around. However, I guess that's all good if the replay is correct...

No worries Phil, just like Axel I was pounding the escape key as soon as my front wheel vanished. :o

 But as always in these multiple shunts, if the car is being kept moving by impacts you cannot escape and that invites further chaos!!!   :-\

Hi Dave,

i was seeing Axel sliding around inside the track, upside down. I went to the outside track as much as i could when you (?) suddenly came from blind spot behind the armco, no chance to avoid. I was then uncontrollable and hit another car.

A shame becaue after a horror quali i found a setup which was working somehow for me....

Hard luck to those that retired early on. I just about managed to avoid the carnage (probably to do with being so far down the field) and immediately lost the tow to the front runners afterwards.

But, that set the scene for a brilliant race long battle with Doni that went right down to the wire on the last lap. Haven't had that much fun in a race for a long time  :).

Technically, both me and Doni were lapped by Mark which means we finished our race on lap 33? I crossed the line in-front on lap 34, but I'm not sure who was in-front the lap before (I do remember it being very close!)

Anyway, a massive thanks to Doni for that hard fought but fair battle.

Was lucky to avoid all the chaos in the beginning, settle on a fine fourth spot for the first laps. The temps of the motor began to get slighty high, so I shifted earlier. But then 1 piston gave up and the other 15 wouldn´t work anymore...
Congratulations to all who had more luck!

Congratulations to Mark on a stunning win!  And in the BRM no less!  BRM shares rising sharply on the LSE this morning.  :)

Great job by Deaner to score P2 aboard the Ferrari and Tim for a P3 also in the BRM.

Apologies to Mark for not making way when you were lapping me but due to the scoring error in GPL, I had no idea that this BRM that suddenly showed in my mirrors was the leader coming through.  I saw no blue flags and thought it might have been for position.  Thought it might have been Sam, in fact.  I didn't see you coming and was taken utterly by surprise.

Indeed, Sam, our race was epic but thanks only to the generous slipstream provided in the '66 mod.  Without a tow, you had me covered nicely, I'm sure.  Grats on that P4 finish and a super drive.  We were, in fact, lapped so our race did end on Lap33.  Checking in GPLRA, that lap ended with you passing me for position accelerating off the Parabolica and hitting the line 0.018 ahead of me.  Grrr...  I thought it was the final lap and was surprised to find no checker being waved.  On our final 'bogus' lap, I tried my best to make a pass stick on the outside of the Para but bungled it and skipped through the kitty litter to spoil my chances.  Great fun nonetheless!  :)

Edit: Gosh!  So sorry to see so many eliminated in that Lap02 business.  I stood on the brakes and went right down to 1st gear hoping to miss all the broken cars and flying wheels.  Lucked in.

No problem Dave and I'm certainly not blaming anyone for any incidents at the start or at the Parabolica as these things can and do happen. But two races into S29  I am finding it all very amusing  :laugh:

Grats to the podium when it gets sorted out.

Should be 3rd by my reckoning as I neither passed or got passed by anyone after the server stopped counting me  :)

I did an extra lap after receiving the flag just to be certain - hence the two times you have to choose from - I was taking no chances when it had all gone a bit weird  ;D

Yes, surely, I finish 6th !
thanks

Thanks gents.  I'll download the replay and reconstruct the results from that.  I should be able to corroborate everyone's comments.

OK race result corrected.  See table above and workings below.

Race Started at replay time 0h0m41s

The replay time is when the driver crosses the finish line on the replay (estimated from observing replay - not exact but close enough)

Driver	Replay Time	Replay Laps	Net Race Time	Actual Race Laps
Mark Barresi	0:53:15	20	0:52:34	34
Dean Logan	0:53:45	34	0:53:04	34
Tim Muttram	0:54:19	19	0:53:38	34
Sam Blood	0:55:14	34	0:54:33	34
Doni Yourth	0:55:48	34	0:55:07	34
Philippe Girard	0:53:58	19	0:53:17	33
David Rainier	0:54:14	33	0:53:33	33

no need to apologize Dony, I understand that you do not see blue flags.

@Phil: I think Tim finished third ...

Thanks for pointing that out Mark (Cookie noticed it too).  It was getting a bit late and I was getting GPL Replay Fatigue  ::).  Anyway fixed now.

Whilst reconstructing the results I've noticed a few incidents and reported them.  As Ronnie so eloquently put it I don't want to see this series degenerate into a banger race.  If you have been reported please pass on your version of events if you feel so inclined.

Moderation published.

Thank you for your replies to the incident reports, understanding the drivers point of view always helps to make the moderation easier.  We've published this report promptly as there are some issues that need to be raised before the next race.  Please read the moderation report, most of the carnage could have been avoided if everyone had driven a little more carefully. 

1.  When rejoining a race your first thought must be to do it safely.  How quick you can get back into the race must be secondary.

2.  Please slow for yellow flags (see rules at the bottom of this page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette) for advice).  The flags will be flying for a reason and if you exercise caution you may be able to avoid contributing to an accident ahead.

3.  Please be aware of other drivers even if they are not in you mirrors.  Fran, I know you think Ronnie was responsible for the incident after the start but how can that be?  He was accelerating as hard as possible, how could he make his car jump ahead to hit yours?  Ronnie kept a perfectly straight line whereas you moved over.  Please have a look at these pages (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/overlap) which try to explain how to determine when it is safe to move over.  You must be able to see the car behind BEFORE you move over.  I did a test race with Axel to check the connection to my server (UKGPL4) and we managed to do 6 laps in very close company without hitting each other once.  In fact we were side by side through many corners without being able to see each other, we did not make contact and we overtook each other plenty of times on the straights.  Please have a look at this replay (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4Y5yeIvfzZvQ1h2S3hTQTlfOVU) and you will see what I mean (there are a lot more examples of overtaking in this replay than there would be in a normal race).

Lap 2 - Parabolica - David Rainier and Bastian Grupp
David Rainier is recovering from a spin having made contact with the wreckage strewn across the track on the exit of the Parabolica. David had hardly moved before he was hit by Bastian Grupp, so it cannot be said that he moved into Bastian's path, Bastian would have hit him anyway. Bastian's car is wrecked and he is out of the race, David can continue.

Bastian was unlucky but he didn't back off when the yellow flags were being waved. In effect he contributed to his own downfall. If he had slowed instead of accelerating at normal racing speeds he may have been able to take avoiding action.
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Yes. I was concentrating too much on Axel and didn't think about anyone else, i was sure to pass him safely.

I dont know if I have to change my settings. in the rpy i see the cars earlier, in the live action they seem to appear quite late, is that possible ?

The server replay is different but as far as I know what you see in your client replay should be consistent with the live action you experienced.  The number of cars visible ahead and behind depends on your bandwidth settings.  The number of cars you can see in your client replay is determined by your bandwidth settings.  The server replay gives no indication of your bandwidth.

The live action may appear to be different to the replay but I suspect that is psychological, well I think that is true for me.  Without the pressure of the live action it is easy to notice something in the replay that was overlooked in the race.

The server allways overwrites the clients BW settings, all drivers have the same ;)
So the number of cars visible ahead and behind depends on the servers bandwidth settings.

But in the replay you will see all cars, allways.

Also I think all the servers have all cars visible now. The only one I've seen recently without this is the LBGPL server.

ok, I think Phil is right then with the psychological aspect; in the live action I'm under pressure and personal overview is just bad