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Title: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 05, 2015, 11:14:01 PM +0100
(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Donington_etcc_zps9uh7hn7c.jpg)

Booking: From 19:15 (BST) (60 mins)
Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qual: 20:30 (15 mins)
Race: 20:45 (22 Laps, approx 30 mins)

Cars allowed:
BMW E30 Grp A

Track: Track: Donnington Park GP http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/donington-park.3031/
Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=97
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=25
SESSION_TRANSFER=60

Damage: 70%

Server: simracing.org.uk
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

All drivers must be booked in to race before booking closes at 20:15 UK time.

IMPORTANT:
-The PLP app VERSION 1.5 (http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/a-pit-lane-penalty-app-for-repeated-track-cutting-1-2.17852/) is required. The file is an attachment on the first message, download and install as it is.The string that is posted in chat when you join should read: "PLP:running version 1.2,3-50-3-True-1.3-0.9-3" - if it doesn't, then you will be excluded from the results.

-BMW E30 skin pack required (You don't have to install but everyone else will be In stock skins from where you sit)


Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct Assetto Corsa 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 05, 2015, 11:51:20 PM +0100
Race banner for insertion above if you can Tony/Pete.
http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Donington_etcc_zps9uh7hn7c.jpg

Link to my 16 car skin pack. Not quite sure how we assign skins to drivers yet but I figured if we all install this skin pack at least we all get given random good racing skins rather than stock plain road car themes.  :) Assuming our SROUK guys don't mind putting this on the server?  All tested and all work, been used online and off without problems, and all available in public domain.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j0ji91eagq7vro0/BMW%20E30%20grpA%20skins.rar?dl=0

unzip to your:-
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\content\cars\bmw_m3_e30_gra\skins





Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Sutol on October 06, 2015, 07:00:48 AM +0100
Nice one guys!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 07:26:06 AM +0100
There are no skins as such on the server (which for me is a good thing) and cars are only allocated by the server during pickup races. Come race night the skin someone drives is chosen by the driver based on what they have locally. Sorry but I don't intend to install skin packs on my work PC just so pickup races can have a skin outside of the core AC pack.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 07:58:13 AM +0100
im not sure how the skin thing works. Does it have to be on the server? Or if we have the skin pack installed on our own pc's won't that mean we all get to see the different skins? Problem is your not prepared to put any skins on the server is we are doomed to lame looking same car grids as most of the stock skins are plain road cars  :( it's only 45mb and all are installed in my own sim without problems.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 08:12:42 AM +0100
You've missed my point, there are no skins on the server, none, diddly squat, not even the default ones. You can only see a skin if you've got it locally, if someone races a car with a skin you don't have you get a white car (you don't download skins from the server).


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on October 06, 2015, 08:44:08 AM +0100
Will download the skinpack then. ;D

Better check if you got the latest version V1.11 of Doni if you did race there before with the GT2 race as I believe it could be still v1.10 on your pc then.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 09:02:57 AM +0100
I'm not simply being pedantic here but I doubt anyone will believe me......

Link to my 16 car skin pack. .......... and all available in public domain.
Well not really your skin pack, it's a skin pack compiled from other's work whom you've not credited.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 09:27:24 AM +0100
I never once implied it was my work and I wouldn't dare take credit for creating them. I spent over two hours trawling mod sites downloading them, testing them in races and uploading them in a pack for the benefit of us all to make the racing look good. So no need to get p*ssy about it.  >:( Did you spend a whole evening trying to put a series together for us all? I flipping did.

But thanks for clarifying in the server skins thing, that's all I wanted to know. Let's leave it to the racers to decide if they want a nice looking grid.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 09:37:23 AM +0100
I knew you'd take that the wrong way.... however I expect each of the skin producers took well over 1 evening to produce each skin yet get no credit for that. See where I'm going?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 09:53:04 AM +0100
Yes I get where your coming from. But they produce skins to release to the public and no doubt get their enjoyment from seeing them used in races by people, not sat on someone hard drive unused. Same for track creators and any other mod creators. I got all the skins from public mod forums, not swiped from official racing sites.
If you want I will retrace my steps and list every skin creator I can find the details of and list them with thanks, but some I've had on my pc since the early days of AC. But it seems unnecessary. Do we normally list a track creators mod with gratitude when we use it? No.
Why the brick walls? Thought I was doing something appealing for the majority but already get the feeling it's not wanted.  :-\


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 10:07:22 AM +0100
For anything hosted by SimRacing.org.uk we've traditionally got permission from the author to host the files which they've always freely given generally only asking we credit their work. Credit where credit is due and all that. I'm sure, like others, we're grateful you've put this skin pack together for us as it will provide a more visual racing experience.

As for walls, I think I've knocked down a couple for you this morning; I've explained how the entry system works and why I believe it's not required plus I've upgraded the server with the new version of Donington and started the practice server ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 10:19:33 AM +0100
Thanks Pete, think we are all on the same side...eventually  ;)
Shouldn't have 'discussions' pre morning coffee anyway, too grouchy  ;D

Back to the race. 1:43's for me so far with medium tyres, 22 laps of fuel and a track surface set to 'fast' (not optimum) Believe Erik is on similar pace but just test laps so far to get a feel for the car and see how good the skins looked.  :)
Hard braking is an issue in these cars with their old school brakes, so don't stomp on the stop pedal or you will lock up and flat spot them.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 11:34:14 AM +0100
Race advert posted at the Kunos site, will do No-grip later if allowed. Maybe if one or two of you could create some 'chatter/intention to race' in there it can create some interest. I always think an empty thread isn't too stimulating to others sitting on the fence.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 06, 2015, 11:52:59 AM +0100
I'll have the Jagermeister car pls  ;D.

These things are bloody hard to be consistent in. After exiting turn 1, I already have to turn in for the old hairpin, that is how understeery they are  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 01:41:42 PM +0100
Ooh that's my fave looking paint job on a Beemer or porka  8) beat me to it  ;)
I'm intending to take the Bastos car. Though sounds like we get random skins assigned to us anyway.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 06, 2015, 02:41:30 PM +0100
Ooh that's my fave looking paint job on a Beemer or porka  8) beat me to it  ;)
I'm intending to take the Bastos car. Though sounds like we get random skins assigned to us anyway.

Oh you can have it, reward for the hard work  ;). I just picked it because it was orange  :P. I might take the bright green/back Hungarian racing one  ;D (if I can get select it)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 02:46:37 PM +0100
Though sounds like we get random skins assigned to us anyway.
For the umpteenth time when we race you pick what skin you like from those you have installed. It's only during pre-event practice where I have to preallocate the cars on the server and then I just randomly pick some from the selection for the race. The reason there is a booking period is so Assetto knows the full list of cars when practice starts. Pickup races car list is in the entry_list.ini file, for non-pickup races we let Assetto get the car list from the drivers selection.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jester on October 06, 2015, 02:57:31 PM +0100
Ooh that's my fave looking paint job on a Beemer or porka  8) beat me to it  ;)
I'm intending to take the Bastos car. Though sounds like we get random skins assigned to us anyway.

Skins work like this  ;D
Server in pick-up mode: you get the skin, set in the entry.list, in order of joining.
Server in booking mode: you get the skin you selected in your game, no matter in what order you join.
Server in guid mode: you get the skin as set in the entry.list, no matter in what order you join.

All provided you have the skin in your game.
Edit: Picnic beat me to it  8)

Oh you can have it, reward for the hard work  ;). I just picked it because it was orange  :P. I might take the bright green/back Hungarian racing one  ;D (if I can get select it)
You can't just take an orange car, because you're Dutch  :D that's my colour  :taz:
That said, I'll go for the Sega one  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 06, 2015, 03:03:38 PM +0100
Edit: Picnic beat me to it  8)
But you wrote it more eloquently :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 03:51:39 PM +0100
Ah cool thanks for explaining it so clearly Erik  :) could tell Petes patience was wearing thin  :laugh: Cut me some slack I've never done this before! Got no idea of the server side of things   :-[
So that's great as long as we pre pick our skins on our own pc all should be good.

A vid to set the mood
http://youtu.be/yxHh18koHO0

http://youtu.be/xZEoLgCtQUs




Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on October 06, 2015, 05:08:02 PM +0100
busy tread.. :P


tnx for putting this together so quickly MJ & all involved  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 08:05:20 PM +0100
Got adverts on Kunos, No-grip and Core racings sites now. Lets see if it brings more drivers.  :)

Jumping on the server in a minute for some practise if anyone wants to join in.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 06, 2015, 09:34:15 PM +0100
Seems the rear wing setting has a high impact on your top speed in these cars.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 06, 2015, 10:31:51 PM +0100
Good to see some old faces on the server this eve for practise. Thank you to Jeff for sharing some setup info.  :)
I spent ages trying different gear and Spring combos without gaining any time lol. Couldn't get near my offline pb, 2 secs off in the 45's online with race fuel but think I've at least got something I can race with. Noticed my tyres were staying perhaps too cool.

Downshifts unsettle this car so a good tip is to run as higher gear as you can to turn into the medium to high speed corners without losing momentum or under steering off. ie use 4th instead of 3rd. Also if you can blip the throttle when down shifting, that helps too.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on October 07, 2015, 08:24:35 AM +0100
Thanks for these setup tips. Haven;t been able to turn a wheel with this car yet, but looking forward to racing them.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 10:33:51 AM +0100
Thanks for these setup tips. Haven;t been able to turn a wheel with this car yet, but looking forward to racing them.

Did MJ give you setup tips? If they were the tips I gave him, I can put a setup online somewhere for people to download after the race. It was a test setup which surprisingly worked out, but I have no idea what it is going to do in a race, so I'm gonna wait till after the race, before people blame me for falling off the track  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: frex on October 07, 2015, 10:37:11 AM +0100
Thanks to MJ and everyone for putting this together, I'll try and be there.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 10:38:39 AM +0100
Yes Jeff see two posts above where I thanked you for the setup advice!  ;)

Though the gear in med corners was my own work after I tried every gear combo!  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 10:47:41 AM +0100
Yes Jeff see two posts above where I thanked you for the setup advice!  ;)

Lol yeah, I saw that, but I don't know what you did after I left, so maybe you found something and shared that. In which case...gimme gimme gimme  ;D.

Though the gear in med corners was my own work after I tried every gear combo!  :P

Gears are tricky, car doesn't have a lot of torque, so a higher gear kills the engine. Especially the chicane is difficult, 3rd is too short, 4th makes the car turn in very badly and very bad acceleration. Maybe I need to tweak around a bit with the ratios to get that right. I see the red engine damage thingy flashing a bit too often  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: frex on October 07, 2015, 11:19:32 AM +0100
Also to add to the gearing issue - there are 2 gear sets to choose from, apart from the different ratios and final drives. I found gear set 2 much easier as although top speed is the same, the ratios are more closely spaced. Heel/toe throttle blipping is still required to prevent the rears locking, but it's a little more forgiving on downshifts, and a little easier to keep in the powerband.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 11:40:59 AM +0100
Gear2 is much better for stability during the race for sure but you will get jumped off the start line by every car using gear set 1. I know from bitter experience!  :P of course half those cars in set1 may fall off due to dodgy downshifts!  ;D but you may find you have a lot of cars to get back past in your smoother set2. Both options are a compromise. Gs2 is the safer option overall.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 11:52:46 AM +0100
I need to test set 2 then, I think I was on 1-42 or something.

I expect to lose places at the start, as the starting system in AC is retarded. No way to use handbrake starts to get an advantage.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 07, 2015, 12:46:41 PM +0100
Drivers, remember to check what the RACE PASSWORD is.  ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 07, 2015, 02:23:03 PM +0100
Drivers, remember to check what the RACE PASSWORD is.  ;)
And the server setter-upper-er  :o


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM +0100
Just a thought but happy to leave as-is if it causes problems, but is it worth dropping the penalty app for this series? I don't want people's races ruined by getting unnecessary cut penalties through errant car control under braking rather than blatant cutting. I'd rather guys focus on the racing than get an annoying cut warning.
I can watch the race replay and hit any repeat deliberate cutters with a time penalty or points dock if necessary. :devil:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 07, 2015, 04:11:39 PM +0100
I've fallen out of love with PLP especially as it gave me a cut warning each time I existed the pits at the last race I did. I'm happy to run it as it gives pointers as to who's 'cutting' but we should ignore its penalties IMHO. We could go back to the good old ways of letting drivers report others, be it contact incidents or cutting ones.

Is there a way locally to force AC to save replays without having to click the save button? I usually click past it and then you've lost the chance.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Sutol on October 07, 2015, 04:12:19 PM +0100
Drivers, remember to check what the RACE PASSWORD is.  ;)
noted thx


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Sutol on October 07, 2015, 04:15:08 PM +0100
I've fallen out of love with PLP especially as it gave me a cut warning each time I existed the pits at the last race I did. I'm happy to run it as it gives pointers as to who's 'cutting' but we should ignore its penalties IMHO. We could go back to the good old ways of letting drivers report others, be it contact incidents or cutting ones.

Is there a way locally to force AC to save replays without having to click the save button? I usually click past it and then you've lost the chance.
if you open the replays folder in assetto corsa there is the last race stored under a file called 'cr'. just rename and there you go.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 07, 2015, 07:07:06 PM +0100
Ah the cr file - I had forgotten that one  :-[ Ta


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 07:20:14 PM +0100
I've fallen out of love with PLP especially as it gave me a cut warning each time I existed the pits at the last race I did. I'm happy to run it as it gives pointers as to who's 'cutting' but we should ignore its penalties IMHO. We could go back to the good old ways of letting drivers report others, be it contact incidents or cutting ones.

Agreed, better way forward for these sort of cars. I think the cut app has its uses and suits the modern good handling cars, especially at tracks like Monza where time can be gained cutting.

So if you get a cut warning this eve ignore any penalties but if you see someone repeat cutting...dob him in to me or Picnic   ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 07, 2015, 07:29:45 PM +0100
doh - me and my big mouth ;)

Server is up as well


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Bob on October 07, 2015, 07:34:22 PM +0100
 :( Not given up, will be back as soon as health permits, have some good racing.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jester on October 07, 2015, 09:37:41 PM +0100
UKAC ETCC season 1 replays (https://mega.nz/#F!qhABSIqL!D6sCRv46ItcKUIco4sYDQQ)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 09:41:28 PM +0100
Server was set up with a bit more grip than before I think, so was able to improve my laptimes, in combination with the other and better gearing.

That meant I had a bad start, but wel all did  :P. Erik got off the line better, but was able to fend him off in T1.

After that I was being very careful not to fall off in lap 1 with cold tyres, before I gently started to aim for mid 42's. Saw Ed went for hards, which worried me, does he know something I don't about these tyres (which is easy, as I knew nothing  :P).

Around lap 10 I started to think about the amount of laps. 22 Laps of around 1:42 each. That sounds like a whole lot more than 30 minutes  ;D. That made me more worried about tyres.
Surprisingly I could get in or close to 42's till few laps before the end. So they would be fine for a 30 mintue race, but risky for something longer.

Right front tyre was dark orange due to flatspotting, which became worst and worst. I vibrated half the race I think  :jumpjoy: .Think this is the perfect time to get the wives to simrace  :angel: .

Thanks MJ for getting this arranged so quickly, turnout was okay for such short notice and seeing previous amounts. With a bit more advertising and maybe the PM-ing, we could get a few more.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: picnic on October 07, 2015, 09:48:29 PM +0100
Here's a treat for you :)



                      >>>>> LAP Charts <<<<< (http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/doningtonpark 07_10_2015.htm)

(http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/doningtonpark 07_10_2015.png)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 09:58:30 PM +0100
First up:-

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/winner_zpsulk20aeo.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/winner_zpsulk20aeo.jpg.html)

thats Jeff, AnimalEd and Erik standing on the podium for this one  :)  Congrats to all 3 :notworthy:

Big thankyou to those that turned up and raced to the end  :thumbup1:  had hoped for more but guess it was short notice, so 9 of us raced. There were a few names on the praccy server that didn't make the race so hopefully they make the next round.

I beat my PB in qually trying hard to overhaul Erik in 3rd, with a 1:42 so happy with that.

For the race I went a bit too conservative with my gearing. I used the stable gearset2 but also had it one final ratio too long (in error) so the car was a bit tardy through craners and the chicane but at least it meant no dodgy downshifts and unbalanced car. In fact I didn't put hardly a wheel wrong the whole race, just couldn't keep up with the fast 3 ahead. I never got challenged from behind so ran my own race and kept it clean. That's why we want the bigger grids so no one gets lonely on track  :P
Hope the guys further back had some racing?  Think Frex gets honourary membership of the Donington Gardeners club for what must be a world record in grass cutting reports  ;D Having troubles there Frex? expected you to be a front runner.

Note for next time...Hard tyres!  mine were like fifty pence pieces by the end with nice glowing orange flat spots  :laugh:  Would also like to know the ideal tyre pressures for these cars  ??? mine were pretty cold most of the race, had them at 27psi cold.

thanks again for attending or taking notice, lets hope it builds.  :)  Will probably run the 2nd round in two weeks assuming ChrisR shows up for his event next week.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Sutol on October 07, 2015, 10:09:29 PM +0100
Grats to the podium BTW.

Just love this car, the way you can make it dance round the track even for the likes of me. I had red spots on the tyres after around 10 laps, I took it easy for the rest of the race, used the poor old engine. I'm going to watch the replay later to see if I was locking up, don't think I was though.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 10:32:34 PM +0100
For the race I went a bit too conservative with my gearing. I used the stable gearset2 but also had it one final ratio too long (in error) so the car was a bit tardy through craners and the chicane but at least it meant no dodgy downshifts and unbalanced car.
I only changed the set from 1 to 2, needed to select 1 gear lower than with set 1, but worked for me.

I never got challenged from behind so ran my own race and kept it clean.
Loneliest: Mark Jonzo (avg total gap in front and behind 39.59 secs) ;D

Note for next time...Hard tyres!  mine were like fifty pence pieces by the end with nice glowing orange flat spots  :laugh:  Would also like to know the ideal tyre pressures for these cars  ??? mine were pretty cold most of the race, had them at 27psi cold.
Would hards be worth it tho? Like you said, the mediums were already cold, so what would the hards be  :o? The mediums only really go off at the last few laps, I think, by that time, the hards have already lost you too much time, to make it up in the last few laps, but that is pure guessing (and track dependant).
I think the track was very tricky with braking, lots of braking zones with a slight turn.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 10:34:01 PM +0100
Action shots

The start-
(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-16-13_zps7xfhlpjc.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-16-13_zps7xfhlpjc.jpg.html)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-17-27_zpsj0yedu8h.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-17-27_zpsj0yedu8h.jpg.html)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-19-22_zpsv6zddc91.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/Screenshot_bmw_m3_e30_gra_doningtonpark_7-10-115-22-19-22_zpsv6zddc91.jpg.html)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Jeffrey on October 07, 2015, 10:42:25 PM +0100
I am surprised you found moments where Frex was actually on the track  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: frex on October 07, 2015, 10:47:27 PM +0100
Think Frex gets honourary membership of the Donington Gardeners club for what must be a world record in grass cutting reports  ;D Having troubles there Frex?

Lol, a bit of trouble yes.. I can't do understeer, and that's all I got here - armfuls of it. I was just getting slower and slower every lap, and if anyone came anywhere near me I just got right out of the way. Bit of a shame as yesterday in practice the front end felt fairly pointy and was turning in nicely. Not today though..

Should be a good series though, and hope to join in again when I can. Congrats podium.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Sutol on October 07, 2015, 10:56:34 PM +0100
For the first 4 laps you were putting me under quite a bit of pressure. Then you just fell off the radar, I couldn't understand why??


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: frex on October 07, 2015, 11:06:09 PM +0100
Yep, that's when the loss of front end grip really started to kick in. Maybe I got some damage somewhere, or maybe it was the same for everyone and I just coped with it less well than everyone else..!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2015, 11:35:13 PM +0100
Shame we couldn't muster more drivers.  :(. Just to prove how hard it is to get drivers I had over 60 views for my race advert at No-grip and over 60 at the Kunos site...not a single driver turned up from either  :(. Also had a mention over at Core but no others from there either.
Few regular faces missing from here too, Shark and Spanner etc.

Hey ho, I enjoyed it  :) Looking forward to racing them at Zandvoort  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on October 08, 2015, 08:40:52 AM +0100
Well, that was a steep learning curve having not turned a wheel in these cars. Did use the mentioned setup tips, altough my final drive seemed just one click to much, which really hurts with these cars. And the braking... how sensitive are these?! Can't imagine it being that bad in real life. After the race i adjusted my brake gamma to cope with it for the next outing. At least i have a base setup now, so i can hit the ground running for the Zandvoort round.

Nine drivers on this short notice is not bad MJ. It looks like a very nice series and i am sure if we keep promoting it, it will surely attracted more drivers.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Animal Ed on October 08, 2015, 11:38:32 AM +0100
Someone asked last night about tires pressure and temperatures so here it is: optimal pressure is 39 psi and temperature between 80 and 100 ...

First of all thank you Mark for putting this up.  :thumbup1:
With those kind of cars it is never boring.
Even when you have dull race and noone to fight with, there is always a car with interesting ways of putting your nerves on test (not now Kato!!!!!) so your race can be enjoyable or frustrating but never boring.

And to explain my tire choice - before this, I had only 2 races on public servers with this car and in both of them medium tires last for half a distance.
No brainer!  ;D
Or is it?  ???
I was really surprised when I saw other drivers choice, and even more with Jeffrey`s pace after 15 laps.  :blink:

Plan was not to push too much at the beginning and wait for medium tires to drop off but it just didn't happen.
Ok, lets pick up the pace - result was mistake in Foggy Esses and pure luck not hitting the barriers.  :taz:
Ok, ditch the plan and bring it safely home.

During the whole race, my tires was stone cold (left side 70 max and right side 10 below) and I`m not sure what to do with this.
Lower tire pressure will bring more heat but how will affect car behavior as you must go for higher camber?
Need more testing.

And one more problem that I have on tracks like this - I have 24 inch single display and 26 FOV so Melbourne and Goddards are nightmare as I can`t see my exit point.
It took almost whole race to figure out those two - according to lap time sheet, last 4 laps were OK.

Looking forward for next race.

btw - my skin is from DTM car but not sure is it original or from SBB as I use their autoupdater so here it is:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwjSkCqTw1UGQjlQRVlKbVlad1E/view?usp=sharing


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 09, 2015, 12:31:34 PM +0100
Few regular faces missing from here too, Shark and Spanner etc.
Been out of the country for nearly 2 weeks (got stuck abroad cause my son had chicken pox so we weren't allowed to fly home) and only got back Wednesday night. Only just had a chance to look on here to discover I missed an AC race!

Next time...I'll be back.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 09, 2015, 02:25:33 PM +0100
Welcome back Sharky  :)

Ed, does that Dtm skin work on the group A car?

Be interesting to see how the E30's feel with the new tyre model and physics update. Zandvoort is also a really bumpy track so good damper and Spring settings will make a difference.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Animal Ed on October 09, 2015, 03:58:52 PM +0100
Yes it works.

Considering new tire model - same pressure, same temperature range, and if you have cold tires lap time suffer a lot.

One more thing - old tire model, 21 degree ambient temperature, fast track = easy 1:52 with hard tires and race fuel.
New tire model - same environment, optimal grip = hard work to go under 1:55 with medium tires ...


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 09, 2015, 04:23:20 PM +0100
Surprised nothing needs changing on the Dtm skin. I tried one in my testing and it appeared stock in the test race but will give yours a go when I get a chance.

Interesting in the much slower tyres, think they need to wipe the Rsr leaderboard clean and start again. That'll upset the hot lap heroes  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 ETCC - Donington Park - Oct 7
Post by: Mark J on October 09, 2015, 11:26:21 PM +0100
Can confirm Eds Dtm skin works fine, just extract it to your e30/group a/skins directory as normal. I'll add it to the skin pack on my Dropbox for any future racers who join.  :)

Tried the E30 at Zandvoort tonight, sure is a bumpy roller coaster ride! Good fun in these though. 2.00 lap times with 48L on 'fast' track at 23 degs temp.
I tried 3 different psi settings to try and get heat in the tyres but other than the odd degree temp it made no odds to improving my times except lowest I tried lost me time on the straights. Tried 24,26 & 28 psi cold.
Medium tyres were still stone cold after 3 laps, so not sure what the answer is  :-\. Maxing out the camber to generate more heat? Harder springs to force them into the Tarmac?