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Title: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 01, 2006, 10:32:23 PM +0000
Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5 at Donington Park

Date: Sunday 19th March

Practice 1: 8:00pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S2
Password: Will be emailed to those that need it.

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive at least 15 minutes prior to qualifying, during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should wait till 5 minutes before end of Practice 1 before joining (8:25pm) so that they only take up genuine free spots.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=15) for general Endurance Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(5) Season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found elsewhere.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: popabawa on March 17, 2006, 09:55:42 AM +0000
I won't be here for this one :(

Have a great race guys :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Jakob_Schmidt on March 19, 2006, 05:39:04 PM +0000
While work has been keeping me away, I am now undergoing physio for an old shoulder injury which makes me unable to spend any sustained periods of time with the the steering wheel, so I will have to withdraw (go to reserve status) for the remainder of  this season :(

Jakob


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 19, 2006, 05:52:09 PM +0000
While work has been keeping me away, I am now undergoing physio for an old shoulder injury which makes me unable to spend any sustained periods of time with the the steering wheel, so I will have to withdraw (go to reserve status) for the remainder of  this season :(

Bummer. :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: whitham69 on March 19, 2006, 07:06:18 PM +0000
I wont be there tonight i have a msvc71.dll missing on my comp and it keeps crashing


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 19, 2006, 09:58:33 PM +0000
Great race. Ruined by fecking game  >:(.

For no reason whatsever, in pits the game decided TV cam would be good a good idea and I was twatted. Sorry Whits, I was all over the place in pits and should have quit sooner, but I didn't know wtf was going on. Might have something to do with Gerald's aggro in pits, someone was already in his box and I was right behind them  ???.

I need to lie down.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Mark J on March 19, 2006, 10:43:13 PM +0000
What a race !!...fantastic, think i might have sweated my cold out by the end :P

Qualied 5th NGT with a PB of 1:33.7 right behind mr Ginsters. Race start was excellent with the top 5-6 NGTS nose to tail for about the first 5-10 minutes. Then i picked off SBG when he ran a little wide at turn 1 and stuck close to Truetom and Dan and shark. Gradually they each made a mistake and i soon found myself in the giddy heights of 1st place NGT :o I then had the privilege of leading the class for something like 20-25 minutes until i pitted at 42 minute mark.
I'd had real trouble getting temp into my front meds so changed them for softs for second stint and they were great, wish i'd used them in first stint now ::).
Came out pits and rounded the lap only to find Shark and Dan in front of me and presumed they hadnt yet pitted so kept a steady quick pace trying to save my tyres and wait for them to pit....it never happened :'( Thought they must have been on a one stop so set about closing them down. I eventually caught Dan with a several minutes to go, despite losing time letting lapping GT cars through (who were great and patient by the way! 8))
With a few laps to go i closed to within a second of Dan and we had an awesome last few laps but on the very last lap , i gave it a little too much welly and lost the back end, thereby ending a classic photo finish with our two Porsches.

Fantastic racing 8)   Well Done to Claus and Shark on their class wins.

I'm well pleased with a podium NGT finish considering the cack state i'm in :P :-*


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: JonM_uk on March 19, 2006, 10:44:47 PM +0000
First race back was a bit rusty..Well, more like rusty bullet hole :D  Had a nice enough time but cocked up me pitstop. I put 100l in but decided to pit after I spun at halfway point, not thinking about that mighty 30L I'd order before the race, I forgot to change it in the pits so was left short and had to pit again :( Didn't cost me anything in the end because I powered past Nakano on the home straight to finish 5th  :D Unlucky dude. to run out of fuel with 70m left must be a reet bugger :( Grats to claus and Truetom on their fine victories....AWKKK! Opps, I mean shark on his fine victory ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: maverick on March 19, 2006, 10:46:28 PM +0000
I just want to say I'm sorry to the too drivers I bump in to, I really don't no what append in the last laps.
 I just don't seem to be able to stop the car from spinning.
 I was driving the same Way i drove the all race and soddenly e just start spinning at,almost, all curves-
 Well, I'm really sorry7 to the ones involved


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Minton on March 19, 2006, 10:47:16 PM +0000
Great race, beggining of the race was class with Jonzo, Shark , truetom, Ginsters and myself . Made a couple of silly mistakes as the tryes went off a little, Big sorry to Gerald for hitting you at goddards wasn't intentiona mate.  Managed to get past Jonzo on the pitstop ( i think)  but couldnt stay with Shark who was to consinstant after his pitstop.
Jonzo caught me up towards the end and got a tow down the back straight on the last but i managed to hold him off to get second in class. Really enjoyed that Mark but dont do it again  :P ;D
Grats to Claus and Shark on their wins.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 19, 2006, 10:49:35 PM +0000
Great race!

Went for my usual pit stop strategy of filling it full to the brim and stopping with about 30 minutes left.  Full fuel load meant the car was really hard work for the first 50 minutes though.

First lap was interesting, argy bargy ahead of me and I nipped through into the lead. Pulled out a few seconds and then drove smooth. Unfortunately this meant not particularly quick as Dan soon caught me in his 996. Some way in and I made my first big error of the season and lock up my rear spinning into the slow chicane. This let most of my fellow competitors through.

Rejoined behind SBG and pushed him hard, but there was no way by. Be interested to hear what wing setting SBG was using cause the 996 just power easily away down the straights, even in the slipstream the F360 couldn't hang on. It meant I had no chance under braking however as I'd lose ground under braking.

After quite a few laps SBG unfortunately came across Dan's spun 996 into Melbourne loop? and had no chance to avoid. This let me nip back through past them with Mark Jonzo having taken the lead.

Dan sat behind me a couple seconds back for the next part as I ummed and arrred about doing a no stopper, but eventually deciding no it was stupid the tyres felt like crap after driving on full fuel for so long. Saw Mark pit around 40mins and I went for another 10 minutes before stopping at 30 mins. Dan still hadn't come in and I was worried he had been brave enough to do a no stopper. Thankfully not as he pitted even later.

My car was totally different after the stop, with a  much lighter fuel load and new tyres the car gripped and gave me so much more confidence. Was really putting in the lap times. Might make me change my strategy next week as the car was so much better on half a tank of fuel, but you do save time not refueling in the pits, just getting tyres.

I find Donington really challenging, it has a really hard set of corners of all varieties. Was really pushed to my limit that race. Good stuff and great racing.

Being lapped was quite scarey it has to be said. So many times the GT cars would somehow catch you on the most awkward parts of the circuits. Going down craner curves and then up the hill out of the old hairpin is not easy to be lapped there. Going off line you're scared of catching the marbles and it's so tight trying to let someone by. It's easy to run a bit wide or whatever through that section and that can be mistaken for "go through now" when it isn't. Very good driving though from the GT cars though, thanks for the patience.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: picnic on March 19, 2006, 10:50:51 PM +0000
Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Donington%20-%20Endurance%20S2%20190306.zip) and provisional results are available  :)

I think that was the longest race I've ever done online. My arse has gone to sleep as has my left foot. Think I'll find a cushion for my foot for next race :D

I actually really enjoyed that. I've been finding motivation a bit of a problem recently but I felt like a race tonight and this was the only option ;) Joined qual with about 15 mins to go so did the session with the race setup so as to get in the grove a bit. The last NGT sprint race I did, Monza for those with short memories  :P, I never had anyone to race after about 5 laps. Here I was dicing with peopl for almost the first hour, mainly Maverick but with several others too. Finally managed to stay infront with about 20 to go and once Maverick had had an off it was settle down and not mess up. Had 2 full spins and one half spin. If anyone wondered why I was pitting after 20 misn it was cos I ended up in the pits having half spun in the last hairpin ;D

Good etiqutte by everyone who lapped me, most multiple times :(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Truetom on March 19, 2006, 11:38:17 PM +0000
Eh, all that was good was my quali time!  :)

Had a (don't know the exact word, but it should mean neither good neither bad - you can fill it up) with BMWZRoadstar or something like that (sorry, can't remember all the letters). Was scared of Shark behind me and wanted to make a mess for him by overtaking a GT. Well, I made a mess for me as I came out behind Dan Minton.  :-\ Could follow him and Shark easily until I made it too much on the marble. Didn't crash but let two others through, SBG and ?. Struggled (too much), locked the brakes in the exactly wrong moment and BMWZR... hit me in the rear (not his fault) and off I went. Somehow others in front made some mistakes/pitted and for some laps I was 1st NGT, had about 20 sec lead and it was about 25 min to the end. I knew I had the only chance if I didn't pit. I had enough fuel, tyres were holding, well, not so well, but if I lost less than 1 sec per lap I could win NGT. I was doing fine until GT guys came by - the most time I was loosing was 'cause I was letting them through!   >:(

Lead came to 10 sec with 20 minutes to, so I gave up on it and decided to take soft tyres and could make quick times to the end and make the most of it. I pitted and as I don't normaly pit at all I got confused and pressed enter insted of appropriate buttons. So, the crew obeyed and put another set of mediums front/rear, repaired the damage and put another 95 litres of fuel ...  ::) Only He knows how much time I lost in the pits.  ::)

Equipped for another 80 minutes I went to race remaining less than 20 minutes and came the end full of fuel and almost untuched tyres.  ;D Well done, crew and TT, really smart move!  :P

I guess it could have been much better if I didn't push so hard. Everybody in front of me made at least one mistake, so...  ;)

Doesn't matter, it's so much beauty to look all the lovely team skins.

Congrats to winners, finishers and to those who made the most mistakes (I think I can win at least this one)  ;D

Nice to see you back, Jon.  :-*   


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Rich_A on March 20, 2006, 12:42:38 AM +0000
Was bit tired for this race after practicing prevous night.. wheel was hard work, specially having to go one handed for my Frex sequential.

An ok start but then about 20 mins in I nailed it out of Esses in lowish rpm 2nd. Let go way after exit after car had already settled. Must be tiny bump and lot of torque combo. That meant 5th, then 4th after you had a spin too Jon. Then pitted, realized I meant to do long stint first to save fuel!! Exited in 6th but then finished 4th. Not bad, almost got lapped by you CJ. Very good pace, 26.8 in race.::) Very technical track Donington and takes a while to learn but I did pick up couple of things for sure. Lister was all over my F550 under brakes but I could get strong exit most of time .. good balance on exit from F550.

Great driving by everyone from what I saw, great fun.  




Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: D Boyd on March 20, 2006, 01:19:46 AM +0000
good race, was not expecting much, as I grabbed the barc setup and did a total of about 5 laps before ducking in at 25 min into P1 like a good little reserve driver. I hadnt driven anything since last weekend but was able to settle in nice and just tick away the laps. Traffic was pretty good for most part, got tied up some but nothing too terribles and everyone was pertty predictable. A lot of guys got out of the way at a good place and thanks for those that did that. The short straights at donni make it hard to get by intime under power so any help is gratfull. got pretty boring otherwise, CJ just drove off and I was able to get a slight but steady gap to Krue. Had a bit of a scare in pit as I hit ign instead of limiter and was sure I had exceeded speed limit but somehow didnt get a stop and go, that saved my 2nd place for sure.
Anyway good fun, nice to be able to just jump in with minimal practice and have a nearly flawless race ;)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: whitham69 on March 20, 2006, 01:52:37 AM +0000
I cant belive I made the whole race with out the pc crashing was missing a dll in my agv firewall.

The race went real bad for me clipped the grass on the back straight lost into a wall and ripped off the splitter. after the pit stop I came out in last place with a 1.28 sec gap to 20th :o. Made my way up to 16th and had to pit for fuel putting back to last. i overtake a NGT and get a blue flag to let them back by that was very confusing had to keep checking the front runners were not behind me. good race by all from what I seen.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 20, 2006, 08:35:20 AM +0000
I actually really enjoyed that. I've been finding motivation a bit of a problem recently but I felt like a race tonight and this was the only option ;) Joined qual with about 15 mins to go so did the session with the race setup so as to get in the grove a bit. The last NGT sprint race I did, Monza for those with short memories  :P, I never had anyone to race after about 5 laps. Here I was dicing with peopl for almost the first hour, mainly Maverick but with several others too. Finally managed to stay infront with about 20 to go and once Maverick had had an off it was settle down and not mess up. Had 2 full spins and one half spin.

Really nice to see another Team Shark car. It's strange how these endurance races go. They're so long, yet there can be lots of racing somehow. I like the whole strategy thing of pitting and being lapped and so on. There seems to be a nice 2 bunches of speed per class which means most people get some sort of race with somebody else. Certainly even though I won by about 18 secs in the end I was in a race the whole way through.

If anyone wondered why I was pitting after 20 misn it was cos I ended up in the pits having half spun in the last hairpin ;D

Now that's skill!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 20, 2006, 08:44:51 AM +0000

Rejoined behind SBG and pushed him hard, but there was no way by. Be interested to hear what wing setting SBG was using cause the 996 just power easily away down the straights, even in the slipstream the F360 couldn't hang on. It meant I had no chance under braking however as I'd lose ground under braking.


I was using maximum wing (10). I'm not going to give any of Mo's secrets away    ;), but his excellent setup allowed me to get on gas quite quickly and prolly that made it very difficult for you. Great fun while it lasted though.

Just one thing, is there anything in rules about genuine overtaking under blue flags? You didn't take advantage when I slowed (virtually pulling over to make it safe) for lapping cars but I have taken advantage of them in the past   :-[.

Hope Spa sees all four of us pretty evenly matched again, with pops added to the mix, and signals a turn of luck for me.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Don on March 20, 2006, 09:55:44 AM +0000
Nice race, thought I was doing ok still managed to be lapped by the faster NGT's :o
Had a little bit of racing with Maverick and Picnic for a while, the rest of the race I was kept busy with the lapping GT monsters!
I had some huge slow downs in fps during the race (almost 1fps at times) wonder why after a year of racing GTR that is starting to happen more often? (It used to run real smooth on a 9600 pro and upgraded a bit for GTL to a 6800 and now more probs, any ideas anyone?) It's almost impossible to drive when it hits and losing a few places is getting off lightly.
I hope I can continue to run in these races :'(


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 20, 2006, 10:57:08 AM +0000
Just one thing, is there anything in rules about genuine overtaking under blue flags? You didn't take advantage when I slowed (virtually pulling over to make it safe) for lapping cars but I have taken advantage of them in the past   :-[.

Nothing in the rules. Using lapped or lapping traffic to get past someone you're racing for position is part of multiclass and endurance racing. Of course if somebody is enjoying a good dice there's nothing to stop them being sporting about it and not taking advantage of the situation and breaking up a good battle. 8)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 20, 2006, 11:03:03 AM +0000
I was using maximum wing (10). I'm not going to give any of Mo's secrets away    ;), but his excellent setup allowed me to get on gas quite quickly and prolly that made it very difficult for you. Great fun while it lasted though.

Interesting. I've always suspected the 996 was faster on the straights, had more torque than any of the other NGT cars and this proves it. I was running 9 wing, so only one less, but should have given me a bit more straight line speed. I was able to use full throttle out of many of the corners, yet even in your slip stream I could not keep with the extra grunt of the 996 down the straights. I thought in the NGT sprint season the Morgan was down on power/speed on the rest of the cars, but it seems that it's the 996 that is the fast one.

Might have to try it soon, if I can work out how to set it up. Any tips? Setups you can send me?

Just one thing, is there anything in rules about genuine overtaking under blue flags? You didn't take advantage when I slowed (virtually pulling over to make it safe) for lapping cars but I have taken advantage of them in the past   :-[.

No nothing in the rules. Yes I know, I was being kind and fair, but also with your extra apparent grunt it was difficult to try that safely. I don't take many risks in endurance racing as it's more important to not have incidents than anything else. This has shown to be true this season, I've only made one cock up in the 4 races I've done so far and that is one of the main reasons I've won 3 out of the 4.

The pace yesterday was pretty even between the top 6 in NGT, although I think I had the edge after the pitstops, we were all so close for the first half of the race, was fantastic.

Hope Spa sees all four of us pretty evenly matched again, with pops added to the mix, and signals a turn of luck for me.

Yes, although I don't find Spa great for actual racing. Fabulous circuit, but I tend to find the field spreads out quite a lot at Spa and can be quite boring.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Minton on March 20, 2006, 08:31:18 PM +0000
On the topic of the straight line speed of the 360 and 996. I find all the 360's power is very hi up in the rev range so you have to keep  it in that power band to get the best out of it, the 996 as you said Shark has good torque and pulls hard from midrange which i think is why the 996 seems to be better at straightline speed but i think its just easier to drive harder out of corners therefor giving a better speed at the end of straights. For example i go can go into Coppice in 3rd and  as soon as im past the apex i change up into 4th even though i havnt really got on the cam in 3rd and the car just haules out of the corner, which is alot easier than trying to fight the car all the way out of the corner in 3rd which is what i have to do in the 360.
Maybe you guys who drive the 360's do the same thing but i defantly find the 996 better out of corners, even though i still get roasted by people driving 360's.  :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: silver53 on March 20, 2006, 09:05:36 PM +0000
Hello I nearly gave up. Was looseing seconds a lap letting gt's through . Then was launched into orbit by a gt came in for pitstop to fin a strange car in my pit. Gave the b****g*r a push but he did not get the Message . Lost loads of time then b888g88r me a porsch rear ended me. All in all a bit to exciting.gerald


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 20, 2006, 09:35:57 PM +0000
Shark I borrowed my 996 setup from online files ( GT3-Doni-Quali-s3). Seemed to work fine but not much kop driving in TV camera mode  ::). Give it time and you'll be a 996 convert like me, not sure anyone wants to see you get quicker though  ;).


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 20, 2006, 10:19:41 PM +0000
Shark I borrowed my 996 setup from online files ( GT3-Doni-Quali-s3). Seemed to work fine but not much kop driving in TV camera mode  ::). Give it time and you'll be a 996 convert like me, not sure anyone wants to see you get quicker though  ;).

LOL. I sort of want to try the Mosler properly next. Reluctant to take the 996 cause there are too many of them on the grid and I like a bit of variety. We shall see. Have done skins for both so either way.  :)


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 20, 2006, 10:42:37 PM +0000
came in for pitstop to fin a strange car in my pit. Gave the b****g*r a push but he did not get the Message .

You really ought not to have done that. See the incident at 3270s for the Barcelona (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=97) race.

This shared pit situation really is becoming a PITA (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PITA). I wonder if it really is just the tendency to pit close to have distance which has made this all too common or whether the car pack has somehow made it worse - not that I can see how.


Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Krueger on March 21, 2006, 11:37:06 AM +0000
Pretty good race all in all , car was running fine and in the 1st stint there was a good fight going on from 2nd to 5th place. Thanks for the nGT's and lapped cars , i think it went very smoothly most of the time :). 

Only had one brainfart in the race , dropped left side tires out of the track BEFORE turn 1 and went wide after that  :-[  , that cost me about 5 secs and lost the sight for Darin who was in 2nd place  . That took out some edge of the chase , but tried to push anyway to keep somekind of pressure on.  CJ ofcourse vanished early on into the horizont and went for a another smooth win  8) , but solid 3rd place was ok ... atleast i didnt get lapped this time by my own team mate  ;D and fight for the 2nd place did stay alive allmost whole race 8).

Thx for the fun again and cya in track ...  ;)




Title: Re: Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 5, Donington - Mar 19
Post by: Clarey on March 21, 2006, 07:19:21 PM +0000
Really enjoyed it too, despite another last place finish, almost achieved my target of finishing the same number of laps as the car in front of me :D
Its an improvement from my last race, so i'm pleased, just need to set up the car better, the front end must go faster than the back :D
I'm afraid its going to be someone elses turn to come last next race, as its the one-week-in-three that i have to work on sunday night.
Have fun
Phil.