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Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 7 at Anderstorp

Date: Sunday 9th April

Practice 1: 8:00pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S2
Password: Will be emailed to those that need it.

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive at least 15 minutes prior to qualifying, during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should wait till 5 minutes before end of Practice 1 before joining (8:25pm) so that they only take up genuine free spots.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=15) for general Endurance Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(5) Season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found elsewhere.

Light snow predicted. Is this a rainy race?

Oh pants :( I'll be getting a wet setup sorted tomorrow then! :wheelchair:

I think i'll be taking the  :scooter:

LOL @ sig whit! :D

:punk:

T

P.S. :P

I think patchy rain is classed as dry, not sure about light rain, I assume wet.
Gizmo?

Without guidence I'm with Shark, but I see the detailed forcast shows light cloud for Sunday night. Might be a hard one to call ;)

If the description of conditions is such that there's continuous precipitation (light rain or light snow would seem to fall into these categories) then it should be wet.

Is heavy snow, monsoon then?

I guess so. :taz:

Will anyone join me for a few laps tonight?  :)

What time ;D

Now.  ;D

It's same as Spa last week, drizzle on and off.. so looking like a dry one. :thumbup2:

Well my pedals are ok again for now since my last problems, with the extra tape in them, until the next time. Unfortunately, was having some sideways action in GTL and crunch, my Momo wheel broke!

 :oops:

The screws that hold the big cog on have snapped out of their plastic holes. Have glued the big cog into place, but it's making horrible clunks as the wheel goes round. Not sure it's useable like that.

Going to try some practice this morning with it but I don't hold out much hope that it will last 80 mins racing. Have the cover off in case it needs emergency repairs during racing. I may have to resort to using my old Logitech Formula Force GP wheel and the Momo pedals until I get a replacement. Whichever, certainly not going to do my lap times any good, so don't be suprised to be seeing me further down than normal tonight.

Have ordered a DFP from Ebuyer (£60! - Cheaper than a Momo! Bizarre). Should arrive on Thursday so will be without a proper wheel for Sprint on Tuesday (although I'm only a reserve) as well.

Not a good weekend so far, as my digital camera has died on me too! Canon Powershot S1 IS, gets E18 error, the lense doesn't come out. Completely useless, apparently a very very common error on Canons of all types, so will be avoiding them like the plague now.

Rough luck there  :'( And for us, the way everyone goes on about DFP wheels I expect you to be even faster soon  ::)

Why do you guys order things over the net (ebuyer)? Doesn't a local computer store have wheels available on a shelf?

I know I wouldn't wait a week if I can get it asap!  :)

Cause I don't want to spend £90 when I can get it for £60.

I can wait 4 days for something if it saves me £30. Also I have my spare Logitech FF GP wheel for such occasions to keep me going till I get the DFP.

Ok, seems logitech, ehm, logical.  :)

Unlucky Shark, bummer about your camera too :(

Good price on the DFP though - bargain!

Yeah! I can only think the DFPs are cheaper than the Momos because they are meant for PS2 rather than PC and they don't expect people to pay as much for PS2 peripherals as they do for PC peripherals?

Sorry to hear that Shark, surely  the customer service or warranty should sort that out for you?
I have been using Canon camera gear for years and have never had any problems. Since going digital and buying the Canon G1 back in 2000 it's still going strong and has taken upwards of 10 000 pics. Digital video format I use a Canon MVX20i which has been just as reliable. Maybe I have just been lucky

It's more than a year old so out of warranty.

Haven't decided what I'll do about the camera yet tbh.

Hi Simon
    Have you had a look at this?

http://blogs.yucs.org/~dwallach/2004/08/canon_e18_error_repair_instruc.html

Some people seem to fix the problem quite simply - the TV connection one sounds wierd but it owuld be nice if it fixed it for you.

Whatever, sounds like Canon are acting in a rather silly way. I can't see this winning them many customers.

Paul

Yes tried that already thanks.

Doesn't do anything.

Apologies to Truetom for the early tap on the main straight, went to the inside and got on the grass and clipped you - my bad sorry.

Apart from that spent most of the race dodging the leaders, determined not to come last on track, and thought I had managed it when I got back past Gerald, but fuel ran out with 1 lap left.

Not too bad for my first 80min endurance race, but still a noob at this, hopefully will spend a lot more time in GTR2 world.

Did I score some Team Points though? ;D ;D

Gutted to miss this race this evening as the competition has been fantastic for the last few races  :'(, hope you guys all had a good 'un.
Damn and shark wasnt there too, so i could have nicked some extra points ;)  :stupid:

Argh!  :censored: game!!!!

One hell of a qualifying session. Top NGT covered by a whisker, something like 0.1. Great stuff guys. The entire GT grid was just 2 seconds apart, totally amazing!

Pops and I then got down to business in the race. We were seperated by about, oh, a second for the first 40 minutes till the pit stops. I led the first 25 minutes, then made a tiny error which Pops seized upon and then I proceeded to follow him about very closely. Was turning into a great fight for the NGT win and was looking forward to the second half. Knew I was good in the pits and hoped to jump him in the pit stops. Pops pitted first and then a lap later I came in.

 :censored: :cursing: :censored: :cursing: :censored: :cursing: :censored:  :cursing:

No arrow showing me where to pit!!!! I had to drive straight through and totally fuming! Tried again next lap and this time it was there. By that time the damage was done though. I lost 15 seconds in the first stop.

After that I proceeded to chase Pops down. With about 20 minutes to go I was catching him at about a second a lap. It was looking like it was going to be a grandstand finish, had the gap down to 8 seconds. Unfortunately like most things Italian, my engine decided it didn't want to carry on. With 16 minutes left it started smoking. I can't really see why, I had opened the vent miles for the race and although i was revving it to the maximum trying to catch pops the temperature was fine as far as I knew. I had no warnings from the pit guy. Anyway, it didn't end there! The engine didn't give up straight away, just smoked, so I backed right off as I still wanted to finish well and was a long way ahead from the next driver (Don?). For 10 minutes I managed to driver slowly but surely around with my engine smoking, was sure it was going to hold out, but with one final gasp and 5 minutes left on the clock it spluttered out and it was over.

Congratulations Popabowa, great win. I'm really dissapointed the pit stops didn't work and robbed us of a great battle though.

My trusty Logitech FF GP wheel held up well along with my Momo pedals, so pleased about that. Some nice setup tweaks saw me get a new PB in qualifying even with the wierd wheel and pedals combo. My car was fantastic, really safe and driveable whilst still being quick. Can't wait to get the DFP though. The FFGP doens't have enough buttons for starters. Had no look left or right tonight as well as a few other controls I had to move to the "not in the middle of a race" keyboard.

I had that as well. Congrats to Pops  :yes:

My race, best I make no comment here  :taz:

I had a shocker of a race after a good quali, went straight off at the end of the straight on lap 1 and struggled the rest of the race with braking.   had a good dice trying to pass Krueger for a while but dropped off both in traffic and running out of road into T4.  Pitted and came out 9th, made slow progress towards the guys infront but after getting the 'tyers worn' message with 8 mins left I knew I couldn't make up any more ground.  And just for good measure, end of the main straight brakes just locked and I went bundling off (again!)  after going to the controller screen and seeing about 5% brake on and max braking at less than 100% I may need new pedals :( I hope the controller thing isn't some sort of Team Shark curse! :P ;)

Wow. That was a hell of a race.

Qualified in 2nd with virtually nothing between me, Shark and SBG.

Spent the first half of the race just about managing to stay with Shark until he clipped the kerb and I squeeezed through. Then spent a horrible 10 mnutes or so with him glued to my tail with me praying not to make a mistake.

Thankfully I had a smooth pitstop and expected to see Shark sneak out ahead of me but the stupid game ruined that by screwing up Shark's pit-stop >:(

I was about 18s up on Shark when I seemed to hit the worst traffic of the race and saw my lead coming down by more than 1s per lap until it was about 8s. Then Shark just disappeared and I saw him in the pits. Unlucky Shark, I think you would have had me but I'm not that disappointed I didn't get to find out  :P

I thought I was cruising to the NGT win when on the last lap I ran into the aftermath of an acident ahead of me and lost my splitter and got a puncture, then got moored on a kerb unable to move, I hit 'escape' in utter dispair but I think the game placed me 1st anyway as I'd lapped the other NGT's. Fingers crossed!  :-\

Well done to Don on his 2nd place, an NGTL 1-2, that's not going to happen again soon!  :euro:

[EDIT] Well, the results are uploaded and it looks like Don won it and I was 2nd.

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Anderstorp%20-%20Endurance%20S2%20090406.zip) and provisional results are up :)

Appolgies for the mess starting the server, now I wonder which window I typed that password into  :-[ Obviously the wrong one!

I was truly gifted 2nd NGt with Shark and SBG retirements. I was a lap down to their pace and never would of had a chance to threaten for a top spot, but luck was my Lady tonight :o ;D and I will take it(almost) anyway I can get it.

Great drive from Pops and a long over due 1st.
(ps, an apology to jon for not moving over sooner, sry)

Not sure. Wasn't going to be easy to overtake as we were very evenly matched. I was more miffed that we didn't get to battle it out more than losing out on a potential win.


I decided to watch you till the end. Couldn't believe it when you ploughed into a big accident. However, I saw that CJ had already finished and i was dieing to type into the chat window "you can press ESC and still win Pops" as you were a lap ahead of anyone else from the timings. Don't think Don did win it, might be something wrong with the timings from the exports as I'm fairly sure Don was a lap behind, but might be wrong. Certainly he was an extra + lap on the timings in the monitor, but that might have been cause CJ had gone past him an extra time but not you, but that would mean that he had to have finished a lap behind you. Oh not sure, pretty sure you won Pops. Need to closely look at the results as you were still listed at the top of the NGT finishers in the monitor even after Don had finished.

Me too! :o

Perhaps it's the gods telling us to buy Speed7 pedals to get the advantage back from all those peeps that have them and have caught up.  :angel-wings:

 
Mmmm maybe I should listen! ;D :punk:

Np Nick, though I was surprised you went in the inside as I left plenty of room on the outside - I saw you were faster in a mosler, so I didn't wanna hold you back. Well... :-\

Anyway, made a mess outta race, spinned 3 times I think before the pitstop. Even managed to put Jon out (not a happy Penguin day  :-[ ) for a second but luckily he managed to climb outta sand and race on. After pitstop Bernie had 43 seconds lead but I think he went non-stop (Bernie?) and was losing 2 seconds per lap which I was able to use to clamber ahead of him two laps before end. Sorry Bernie, you should have pitted (right Mark?  :P ).

I was lapped a lot of times by GTs (and once by NGT Shark which I clumsily botched, sorry. I just now see a big difference between lapping GTs and NGTs - not used to be lapped by NGT). I think I was lapped by Spacefox more times than by Claus. It seemed every time Spacefox lapped me he went into the sand - and I don't think it was my fault.  ::)
My point is, I really lost a load of time by having to let GTs by. 2, 3 or more seconds per lap. Really ruins a direct duel (or it makes it more exciting, depends on the personal view I guess). Ah, the joy of dynamic racing.
I was very surprised to have a third place, totaly undeserved - too bad Shark and SBG.
Grats to Don and/or Popabawa  :jumpjoy: and, of course, Mr. Claus  :rockon:

Yeah fair point Truetom, but guess a lack of experience made me go that way.

Has anyone tried the replacement Logitech Formula Force GP wheel/pedals?
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/GB/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11066
(Logitech Formula Force EX)

Has a lot more buttons than the old one and it's still dirt cheap. The pedals on the old one didn't have anything like enough travel in them to make them really good for precise pedal controller, don't know which pedals they are using for the new one.

The old wheel still to this day is working for me (and I've had it for a very long time, although for the past couple of years as a backup). It doesn't have quite as much lock as the Momo, but it's pretty smooth, very small, ok force feedback (again not as good as Momo) and still feels solid. No creaking and clunking like the Momo has.

Well that was awful for me. choose to run the lambo which i used allot in the past lol. Had a small spill of track on first lap caught up with the pop/shark battle and was a little nervous about overtaking them both. Did it show guys ;). Got past in the end and manage to drop the gap to the next car from 37sec to 15 then got beached on the kerb for what felt like a week, nearly quit but just managed to get it back on track using 6th gear flat out, then had tyre warning at next corner. Had to do the next 15 with shagged tyres until I emptied the tank enough to do a one stopper. was in 16th catching the NGT slowly until I hit SBG on turn one sry mate :-[. had to do a drive through and had to try to pass the NGT cars again. Got caught up in 2 incident which caused a 3 car pill up, by that point all I could was laugh and hope the timer would reach zero.

For those that won well done.  :)

Hey Don,
 No worries mate, I don't think you should've moved over before anyway. I just got the the car in the wrong place and lost control :( so was my own fault ;D
Big Apologies to Bernie Lomax mind. I got confused on lapping and thought Bernie was going to move one way but didn't. Sorry Bernie :(
Damn work's calling now. Full report on my many spins to follow. Grats to Don and CJ on Victory!!!

Because Don finished the full race time and Pops didn't, GTR didn't record a finishing time for the latter, only a number of laps complete, so Don ends up ranked ahead. It's not the first time it's happened but I think it is the first time it's happened in a class win situation.

Can the result be reviewed Dave? I can see what's happened but it doesn't seem right.

I'd completed 50 laps and was on my 51st when I crashed. Don unlapped himself to complete his 50th lap but that still means I was half a lap ahead when the race finished and I'd already completed my 50th lap ahead of Don.

The problem I have is that the positions as stored in the exports aren't reliable (if somebody drops out before the end the position recorded is their position at the time, not the final position), so I have to use the number of laps complete and race time and work the positions out from them. I could manually enter the final race time by extrapolating it from the replay but I'm loathe to go down that route because once manual intervention slips into the process we introduce a big grey area.

I know it must seem harsh but the results have to be measured in a consistent way - and finishing races is what endurance racing is about.

OK, cheers Dave.

Thank you Whits. Livid at the time but I'll get over it, after all its "only a bloody game" [Mrs.SBG April 2006]. With everybody suffering in one way or another, the championship is shaping up nicely.   

Shark, any clues about disappearing arrow in pit lane? As far as I could see nobody had pinched my space.

Seems a little harsh when Pops was a lap up on me?

Surely this is a rare enough situation for it to be dealt with as a special case. If you make it clear that drivers need to appeal against the results if a) they are wrong and b) they finished in the last few laps, then you will probably only have to act on a handful of occasions. This has to be better than telling a driver his efforts over 80 minutes were wasted doesn't it?

We had this on TPG. We also had to make the choice. one driver was unhappy as he DNF on the last lap the other driver unhappy because they got beat by a driver who DNF. We came to the conclusion that if both drivers are on the same lap at the end the winner has to be the one still on track as the race is done lap by lap and not by position on the track during the last lap. TBH it a 50/50 call.

Sorry Pops :-[ I didn't even realise it was you until I looked at the replay, I rejoined safely enough but as soon as i dabbed the brake it spun and sat right on the line of the corner, after that I just couldn't get out of the way fast enough.

I'd say this was a game bug rather than human intervention Dave.  Pops ran the same distance as Don in a quicker time, what can matter other than that?

To quote the FIA GT championship regulations:

'The car placed first will be the one having covered the scheduled distance in the shortest time. All cars will be classified taking into account the number of complete laps they have covered, and for those that have completed the same number of laps, the order in which they cross the line.'

On this basis, Popa would be classified ahead of Don.

Pops should be ahead of Don. I think the results need editing to give Pops the win. He had completed more of the race than Don and was in the lead on an extra lap over Don when a large incident occured (which should be reviewed btw, so please someone report it officially of those involved). On the final lap he was ahead of Don by a lap therefore he won, plain and simple. GTR results are wrong cause of the special circumstances, we have to edit that so it's right.

What you could do to make it simpler is add 1 lap to Pops in the results export and re-enter them, that way you don't have to edit the code or fiddle with things.

How refreshing to read posts like these, kudos gentlemen, very sporting on someones else behalf.  8)


Still gutted i missed this race, even though i dislike Anderstorp. :'(

Perhaps we should race it again?  :P

God forbid, I'd never be 3rd again!  :lol:

Seems an awkward position, whatever is done.  :dots:

Me and Pops are fine with it,(heaven forbid I get into trouble for writing it) He won and I was second :)

Could be worth a try.

Grats to Claus and Pops ..

1m24.4 in quali is excellent, I think that pritty much wraps up the GT drivers Championship.

I wasn't too well prepared for this race, had to put new motherboard in on Saturday. Managed to roughly equal PB in quali but i'm using completely different setups from a few months back so taking some time fine tuning them and re-learning what it can and can't do on the track.

Was an interesting race, had you Darin make nice pass on me - I figured I was bit off pace so not worth fighting. Had a clean run except for an off over the bank at turn 1 which took me onto pit road exit. :) Didn't loose too much time but think it cost me perhaps third not sure.

I was testing .plr tweak .. this line

Race Stint Offset="1" // Offset each scheduled pitstop in case you want to carry extra fuel

Set to 1 means that fuel left in tank at pit stop is taken into acount from pit stop strategy. i.e if you set 56L for pit stop 1 before starting race and come into pit with 12L left in tank, then this .plr setting on 1 will fill tank up to 56L rather than 56L + 12L = 68L. So if you work out your fuel consumption manually it's possible to work out exactly how much fuel is needed for entire race.

Combined with the race stint offset setting enabled it works very well. I had 5L left after this race.

NGT is much less complicated for 80 min race.  ;)

Well , another difficult race with F575 behind ... Tried to be consistent coz it's the only way to get any results with this car , but after 50 laps work , a small misunderstanding with an NGT car in turn 2 ment that it was all over again.  Havent really been enjoying my season with 575 sofar , but it's definetely a challenge , that's for sure... ::)

Cya in 2 weeks , cant join the next one , since i have other duties when next UKGTR race is driven.

Thx for the race , cya...

Thanks for the support guys :) Especially to Don, you are a gent! :euro:

Obviously I was pretty disappointed (to say the least!) not to finish the race. If I'd been thinking a bit more clearly I'd have crawled round to complete the last lap instead of getting inadvertently beached through trying to do it as fast as possible - idiot :blink:

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.

True indeed, the Nascar fraternity could learn a lot from the way things happen here.

Most refreshing :) :) :)

:offtopic:  I wonder, is there any change in my :yawn:  Nostradamus prediction Yet  :ban:

Interesting day for sure, but much better than the self-destruction I suffered at Spa last week.

Qual was a bitter-sweet, did 2 quick laps and put up a 25.4 right away so just figured I would see what happened. Looked like CJ was only one that was going to beat it so I loaded race set and did a few laps to get the feel of that. Of course JonM ends up sneaking under me by like .0XX with only 3 min left so I was resigned to 3rd.

Race started pretty good, CJ, Jon and me seemed to be able to pull away from mo and Rich by enough that I didnt have to watch my mirrors and I could go to work on Jon. After a couple laps of pressure I was able to get the drive on Jon out of 1 and draft by enough to make a clean move going into 2. Jon got a bit better drive coming out of 2 and made a move heading into 3 and gave me a slight tap that sent me into the grass, which put me back to 6th just behind my m8 Krueger.

Went to work on getting it back and Krue let me by without much fuss, but I think I had a small off and had to start over. Took a few laps in traffic to run Rich down and he defonatly made it easy on me. Set out after mo and Jon and they were a bit harder to catch but slowly was reeling them in with traffic. Jon must have made a bobble as I noticed I was now chasing a lister, then he lost it in last corner and I snuck inside and set out for mo. Planned an early pit to avoid issues and so went in on 26 about 2-3 seconds adrift of mo. After the pits sorted out only Nakano was left between me and CJ as he had not pit. Got passed Nakano, promptly lost it and had to reel him in again but finally ended up in a comfortable 2nd.

Pretty much auto pilot for last 1/3 of the race until the last lap  that is. Trying to sneak past Bernie?? going into T1 it seemed he was letting me through inside but then turned in, jumped on brakes hard but too late and gave him a bit of a bump, sorry m8 was not intentional. Then in T3 all the sudden there was (i think) shark 550 out of controll, had to come to complete stop to keep from hitting him, think it may have been the infamous pops race ending Zacari. Anyway managed to get passed and by this point wondered if I would ever make it home but all worked out and sailed home to 2nd.

OK, I give up :surrender: ???

 :helpsmilie: :surrender: I give up what does that mean??

ROFL great minds think a like Pops??  :P

Great minds think alike.....

...and fools seldom differ!  ;D  :lol:

They had both completed 50 laps - the same distance. Only complete laps count - you have to have a yardstick somewhere.

I'm not going to add 1 or Pop's number of laps because the data would just be plain wrong then.


I'm not the FIA. :P

I spent years correcting GPL's dodgy exports by hand and I'm determined not to end up going down the same route, and like most leagues the rule (currently unwritten, but I'm going to fix that) is that (except in the event of an actual error in the results export - something I've not seen for a long time) the results as shown in the export are final - in this case a DNF for Pops.

I've seen the incident on the replay and it's a harsh outcome - Pops is very unlucky - but to 'fiddle' the results in this one case isn't fair to all the other drivers over the past few seasons who have crashed out in the last few laps of a race and been classified behind those a lap behind who take the flag.

I feel for Pops of course but racing is harsh. Watched the Nascar at Bristol and 2 guys in top 4 got punted off in the last lap, still the result stands I think:(. This was a 1/4 mile track btw, 15 secs a lap, so the #1 lost 3 places 12 secs or so before end of race!?  :-\

T

Walkerism time..

"Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does."

Classic. ;D

Although I do think there are far too many incidents which can only be improved by using some kind of pre-season qualifying. Something to consider in future anyhow.. but quite tricky to accomplish.

If there was full course yellow, this would reduce incidents cause no one likes loads of pace car laps. Was like that in Nascar league I did - maybe GTR2 proper pace car.

Surely this is an error in the results export?  In the replay Pops is 10th, Whitham 11th and Don 12th and the replay isn't wrong ???

Cant there be a rule that if the results export is in doubt then the finishing order should be cross-checked with the replay by the race report moderator.  If they aren't the same then either 1) the replay-specified finishing order is used rather than the export or 2) the individual lap times for the specific cars in question is calculated and used to modify the results if necessary.  I'll happily volunteer to do the calculations myself if it's too much extra work, it just seems bad to accept the exported results even when they're wrong.

In your calculations do you tot up the lap times, wouldn't Pop's have a lower 50 laps completed time and thus get the win?

I could be wrong, but the issue I think is that modifying the exported results is a pain for Dave, so he's saying that it's easier to in effect change the rules so that drivers who don't cross the finish line are classified as DNF and will place behind all the finishers, regardless of how many laps they were behind.

Can't say I like this, and from what I can see most here think the same, but then I don't have to mess around with websites and exports. If there was a simple way to frig the export to make this work, would you change your mind Dave?

But that could mean that I could be 10 laps down and finish and beat the leader who crashes out on an extra lap over everyone else. That's just not right. It shouldn't matter whether I am 10 laps or 1 lap down I shouldn't be able to beat someone who has completed the race faster than me.

This is a bug in the GTR exports.

If only Pops hadn't beached his very broken Porsche on the curbs in this such rare situation of circumstance. I think he was just trying to highlight a loophole in the game exports. Very clever, but maybe it backfired on him.  :P >:D ;) LOL.

I don't think so, Pops only lost one place because Don completed the same number of laps, drivers several laps down weren't placed above him. Agree it's a bug in the exports though.

It's a shame the exports from the game can't be relied upon.  :( I'd also be in favour of amending the results manually on the rare occasions it goes wrong, but then I don't have to maintain the results database & importer code, which I appreciate is a lot of work. If it would help, I could review replays and fiddle exports if we could come up with a procedure for doing so when driver appeal. If it's too much work to mess around with I don't see a big problem with a "DNF on the last lap loses you a lap of positions" rule for future races. It's a bit harsh, and doesn't match real-world racing rules, but we have to make compromises due to the limitations of GTR. The Pops & Don situation is awkward because we weren't aware of the problem before the race.

OK - I see what you mean. If that's the case then I'd also like to see the occasional anomoly corrected (I don't remember this being an issue before?) but if that's not possible then a last lap dnf rule is ok.

That's absolutely not what I've done. What I've said is that if two drivers complete the same number of laps, but one DNFs and one takes the flag, the one who takes the flag is classified ahead. That's because the total race time in the export is only listed for drivers who actually finish, otherwise it's shown as "DNF". If Don had been two laps behind instead of just one, Pops would've won in NGT.


If I were writing the importer again, I know exactly how I'd do it, but I'm not, and this isn't the first occaision that this issue has been highlighted, just the first time it's happened so far up the finishing order. When GTR2 comes out I'll look at it again (and maybe also for GTL and rFactor).

BTW, adding up all the lap times for each driver in the exports doesn't help because they aren't measured from a single consistent point in time. It is (in theory) possible to look at the start time and lap time for each lap for each driver and work out who crossed the line at the end of what lap and when, but it makes the importer much more complicated. :(

I'm now thoroughly confuzed.

From the text file that's with the replay:

Driver=whitham69, Lap=(49, 4837.013, 1:53.750)
Driver=Don1, Lap=(49, 4871.370, 1:37.670)
Driver=popabawa, Lap=(49, 4740.676, 1:35.390)

So why cant the game realise Pops finished ahead rather than behind those two?

Sorry Dave - the bit that confused me was saying that Pops DNFed. This to me implied he must be behind the other finishers.

The game does. But it does not record a total race time for Pops, only a DNF. If I had written the importer to ignore the total race times, and/or record those individual laps above, then things would be different, but I didn't so there you go.

I remember now why I couldn't use those individual lap times - it's because GTR (and GTL and rFactor, at least at present) simply doesn't record them if the lap is marked 'invalid' by GTR, usually because a chicane was cut.