SimRacing.org.uk

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (28 laps)

Cars allowed: F1 1967 car set Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_f1_1967)

Track: Donington Park GP. NOTE: Please patch your Donington install with this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/r6mjw7s1ygcdrr3/iDonington.zip) and brighten up Donny.

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk F1 67 Test
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

The server will be set to this event directly after we have run the GTL Christmas Special.

Please ensure that you have followed the install instructions here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13388.msg241534#msg241534)

Tony, any chance you could change the date of this as it clashes with the final P&G Inter-league event & I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to do both!  ;)

Sure, no probs.

Thanks Tony, much appreciated.

Tried the Brabham BT24 at Donny last night, these cars sure are quick. Best lap was 1.30.6 but the AI are 2s faster so obviously more time to be found.

My best time is in the Eagle T1G but it's at least 3-4 secs of Geoffers pace. Love the way each car feels so different and drives/sounds. BTW Hate the BRM.

I did a few laps online on my own in the McLaren. Best time 1m34s. I could knock a few seconds off this with a sorted out setup. I think the brake balance fix may have helped. Now all I need is a memory fix to remind me to brake so that I don’t spend so much time in the sand or on the grass. When I get the mod up and running my target will be to try to get under 1m30s. :whistling:

I have just done a few laps of Donnington GP online, got down to 1m32s but have a bit of a problem with the light. I feel I need headlights. It looks very dull on my P C.  Like it is set up for the shortest day of the year and the weather is very overcast. Even so the sun seems much too low in the sky for the time of day. On one corner I get blinded by the sun and have to guess when to turn.

Goodwood on the other hand is a joy. I like Donnington but… I am wondering if it’s me or my monitor. Has anyone else found this to be a problem?

It's not you Mark. Ever since I can remember Donny is in permanent dusk/dawn for praccy/qualy. Seems to brighten up for races tho.

just when you thought that everything was working fine with the 67GP cars.... ???

It's OK, the cars are fine.  ;D
 But, I have a small issue with the circuits on the new install. Normally the circuit list is in a grey font and all tracks are selectable. But on the 67GP install I have several tracks in a black font and these cannot be loaded ( Donington being one of them).
It looks like it is all of the standard GTL circuits that are unavailable, and all of the added tracks that work?

Suggestions?

Clive go to locations select track name that is in black, open track folder, then open .gdb file with notepad in notepad delete line (Access Level = and number) then save.
I had to do this with several tracks i had installed which would show up as black in GPl track list and not load.

Or you can download the Unlock everything cheat, (TG2001 DYN), paste into GTL GP 1967 Folder. Then set up your Driver again. You will have redo all your controls. You should then have all cars and tracks. I’m sure that’s what I did. ;)

Thanks Roger, I'll try that  ;)

There is an update for the Honda's. Go here for link to update please. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13388.msg241534#msg241534

EDIT: Post revised

First brief try since the brake update, definitely an improvement. Down to 1.29.6 in the Brabham BT24, 1.28s possible with some more setup experimentation. One other slight setup problem is not being able to get the tyre pressures low enough to get a good temp spread across the tyres, centre is always too hot. That was with the soft compound tyres, not tried the hards yet.

Can you let us know how the hards behave please?

Roguk has found a fix for the dark Donington. Follow the following instructions.

Hi this might help some drivers with practise or qually sessions off line at Donington, my eyesight is not that good so for me its almost impossible to praccy at Donni with the dark track and bad lighting, so this fix makes the track look the same as when race.

BACK UP YOUR DONINGTON TRACK FOLDER

Go to GTL/GameData/Locations/Donington, open track then open iDonington.gdb scroll down to RaceEvents and you will see this

  RaceEvents
  {
  }
  }
  Weather
  {
    Practice1
    {
      Conditions = Nice
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 20
      TrackTemp = 26
    }
    Practice2
    {
      Conditions = Overcast
      TrackWetness = Damp
      AmbientTemp = 20
      TrackTemp = 21
    }
    Qualify1
    {
      Conditions = Fine
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 18
      TrackTemp = 24
    }
    Qualify2
    {
      Conditions = Clear
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 18
      TrackTemp = 25
    }
    Warmup
    {
      Conditions = Clear
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 22
      TrackTemp = 27
    }
    Race
    {
      Conditions = Best
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 23
      TrackTemp = 32

Change the practice1 and any of the others to the same as Race ie

    Conditions = Best
      TrackWetness = Dry
      AmbientTemp = 23
      TrackTemp = 32

then save.

If you wait until tonight I'll produce a download file for the above, then we will all have the same settings

Just tried this, it helps me. Thanks Roger and Tony.  :thumbup1: :thumbup1: :thumbup1:

Link to download for Donny brightness http://www.mediafire.com/download/r6mjw7s1ygcdrr3/iDonington.zip

Copy both files into your Donington folder and allow to overwrite. One is the changed file, the other is the original for safe keeping.  ;)

The server will also receive this patch.

Just had my first outing at Donington in the mighty Waza ( Honda RA300 to those who are not aware of  UKGPL history).
With my fundoshi adjusted and my white headband over my eyes ( waza drivers drive by sense of smell ), I was once again dreaming of the glory days when Mrs Fujikawa ran the all conquering Waza Team with her iron fist.......................... :notworthy: :notworthy:


I guess I have done about 12-15 laps, the first 5 or so were discovering how bad the default setup was and finding ways to make the car actually turn in!!

First complete lap was 1:39, but as I grew used to the GTL handling the seconds dropped off ...1:35........1:34......1:33.5...1:32.3........1:30.3.
Final lap before the fun warden caught me was a 1:29.8 on race fuel and hard tyres. I had the same problem as Geoffers in that the tyres refuse to get warm, so I'm not sure that I got the max grip from them??

These cars are different from the GPL version, in fact for me they are a new car to learn. I guess that is down to the physics engines in the different software.

Note to Clive Loynes if he reads this..

On my first attempt I did manage a half lap straight out of the pits before the car tried to kill me, so maybe these are more benign than the GPL version.

As I say above, based on the Honda as it is the only car I have driven in GTL thus far.  These cars are quick, in fact they seem faster than their GPL counterparts. Once I had played with the setup parameters a little the car became more stable. The biggest issue I have is the reluctance to turn in under braking, but that goes for most GTL cars. I like to run into the apex with the brakes on and then release the brakes and get on the gas, but with these cars I find that I am coating into the apex at the moment. If I can persuade the Honda to allow me to turn in whilst still braking, there is time to be gained.

I have not driven against AI or anyone else yet but I suspect that "incidents" will be common. These cars are very quick and a small mistake in close quarter racing might have serious consequences for many innocent bystanders.
Also we are running without the damage model that GPL has for the various cars so mechanical explosions are not going to reduce the field if the cars are abused.

For me, these cars are something new and it is probably unfair to compare them with GPL. They are similar, but different, and I think that they will generate some intense open wheel racing. It is too early to say how the various chassis will compare to each other over time. I hope we don't end up with all Lotus/Brabham races and that drivers try to tame the less attractive cars.

Thanks for the feedback Clive. I had been waiting to read your views on this mod. If your able to tell us what changes you made to the default setup I think that would be helpful to those of us not as experienced with this type of car.
I will pass your comments on to the developers. They might provide some info about the tyres, braking etc?

Donny brightness download revised with improved times of day for practice, qually and race. If you used the first download it is advised to overwrite your files with the later download. All links updated.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/r6mjw7s1ygcdrr3/iDonington.zip

Please can you remind me how to do the brake fix? I have downloaded everything I can see, and I still get the
front lock ups on this machine.

I still had to turn the brake pressure right down in car setup & also brake sensitivity in controller setup & put bias well to the rear to reduce the front lock up but it still does it sometimes. If like me, you have a pedal with very little 'feel' it is not easy.

Geeez!! no pressure then. Just give your views to the developers??!!  :scared:

A few of my personal thoughts....

TBH   I think the developers need to think about what they want to produce here, and what GTL F1 users expect to get.

None of we sim racers ( whether GPL or GTL ) really have a clue what it was like to drive any 1967 Grand Prix car, we only have a a notion of that sensation.

If you are trying to make the GTL F1 cars drive like GPL cars, I have to ask the question "Why?, We already have cars like that in GPL, so why bother?"

If on the other hand you are using the framework of GTL, along with its software and more up to date graphics capability, to try and produce a simulation of those cars and how it would be to drive them, then I think you have done a pretty good job.
These GTL cars do feel very fast ( as they should) and I can see that they will need some very precise driving to extract the maximum performance. Which I would like to think is representative of the real thing.

I cannot comment as to how "realistic" they are because I just don't know. What I can say is that I think they will be great fun to race.

As I understand it the GTL version does not have the relative random fragility of each chassis built into the software like GPL does? In terms of realism  ( or as real as we can get) I personally think that is important. One of the big attractions for many who drive GPL is getting your car to the finish and protecting the engine. Some cars are more sensitive to over revving than others, so you have to gear and drive them accordingly whilst still being as fast as you can.
The big advantage that GTL does have is the ability to mimic tyre wear/brake wear etc and to have proper pitstops, so I see that as a plus.

I genuinely feel that if you are trying to make these cars realistic, they should be challenging to drive at anywhere near 100%, just like they must have been in real life. They were after all the fastest cars driven by the most talented drivers. They were over powered and lacking in grip. Mashing the throttle in these beasts should not be an option, if you hope to remain on the track.

As for setups. That is a minefield.

I have far more experience in GPL and relatively little in GTL . Plus, the way I set a car up, or to put it a better way, the way I want my car to respond is unlikely to suit another driver. just ask anyone in GPL who has tried one of my setups!! Most find them almost undriveable and far too twitchy, yet I can extract resectable lap times from them. Likewise I have tried some World Record setups and they just do not work for me.

FWIW. My Honda RA300 setup for Donington. It may be wrong, but I was using my GPL knowledge to modify this setup.

 I greatly reduced the camber to get even temps across the tyres.
 Reduced toe in/toe out
moved the brake balance back to 47/53
reduced the diff settings to around 40/10
Brought the roll bar settings closer together
stiffened the bump /rebound front and rear, and brought the values closer together.

I would not claim that this has in any way perfected the Honda for this track, but that it was merely a start.

The aim was to get a car that would rotate easily into the corner as I lfted off the brakes, without losing the rear end, and one that would accept the power from that awesome V12 without snapping around.
Gearing was set to max out at 95% full revs at the fastest point ( old GPL habits die hard. I get worried about hitting the rev limiter!!).
I feel that these cars should feel like driving a missile, which is what they were. You need to thread these cars through corners using as much grip and power as you can, and there is always more power than grip.


Like I said, these are just my views and feelings about what I think the 67 cars were like and how they should drive in a sim racing situation.

I am by no means the fastest guy in UKGPL, never was, never will be. But I do enjoy the challenge of these older cars and the developers have caught a good dollop of the magic with this release.

Decided to give this a miss only driving home from High Wycombe on the 29 Dec.

Still struggling with XD on my 2 GTL Installs at my house, unzip XD, copy the dx9.dll file
game starts fine, no xd. Works on my other computer, also running win10.
I might have it set to run dx7 in GTL setup perhaps. No keys bring up a display that I can see.

If I remember correctly (big 'IF'  :D), you need to go into your GTL folder & find the setup file, this will bring up the display where you input your graphic settings. Your dx setting is probably set to auto, I think you need to change it to dx9.

On the other hand I could be totally wrong!  ???

Tyre pressure fix now available. Download is item 6 here. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13388.msg241534#msg241534

Thanks Tony for organising GTL over the year, looking forward to Season 16.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  :rockon:

Can anybody recommend a car for a less experienced driver ?  ::) ???

Your most welcome Bill and back at ya mate

I think we are all in the same boat Kurt. Should be fun  :-\

For Kurt and others if it helps..

I notice that this group of cars was developed from the GPL version , but I am not sure how much GPL DNA is included.

If the characteristics of the cars are broadly as GPL ( and real life in 1967) then we should expect to see something like the descriptions below. GPL models reliability, which we are not using in the GTL version, so you can ignore any mention of fragility in the following info, but it might come into play if that element is introduced later.

All of these cars are basically bathtubs with a 3 litre engine strapped on the back, they have a great tendency to become pendulums if not treated with respect..some more than others!

Lotus....Just about the fastest car in the group. Very nimble and quick with that Cosworth engine in the back. The down side is that it takes a LOT of driving to extract the max laptimes AND the engine is very delicate. It breaks easily if over revved.

Eagle....About the only car that can beat the Lotus for outright speed, its longer wheelbase makes it stable on fast flowing circuits but it lacks the agility of the Lotus. Engine is suspect if abused.

Brabham...About the best all round car in the group, solid, dependable and although not as fast a some other cars it handles well and has tremendous grunt out of corners. Strong engine

Ferarri........Another car like the Eagle, which works really well on some tracks. If you can get the setup right this car should be a challenger

Cooper.......In GPL the Cooper was modelled to reflect the fact that Cooper had a reputation for producing brilliant chassis and handling. This car has great handling but is compromised by having a monster v12 Maserati engine strapped on the back. In the right hands this car is a giant killer

BRM......6 speeed gearbox, and an engine with a very narrow torque band which takes some mastering. Getting the ratios right so that you don't bog down out of corners is key to maximising this performance.

Honda....Just about the most powerful engine, but it makes for a heavy car and getting the balance right is key.

Mclaren.......not available in GPL, so I am guessing that the developers extrapolated the info from the other cars to make this one.

All of the above is offered from my experience in GPL, if GP and GTL are being as true as they can be to reproducing the "feel" of these cars there should be some similarities.
I know that many of you are lapsed GPL drivers and so may already have a latent understanding of these cars, I am not trying to teach you to suck eggs, this is hopefully helpful to those new to 1967 F1 Grand Prix cars.
In the end there is no substitute for on track practice with a car, just like any other group in GTL. These cars do seem fast, as they should, so things go wrong much more quickly... and dramatically.

For those of you not used to open wheel racing, remember you cannot lean on another car in this mod...it does not end well for either of you!! ;)

Another great post Clive which I'm sure many newbies to the open wheel formula will find valuable, me included.

If I can finish this race it will be a result.

Thanks Clive - that can help. I'm down to 1:37.8   ::) in the Eagle T1F (but I doubt this car had a V12 Climax engine  ;D ),
and I think 'll try the Brabham before tomorrow's race.

Firstly, Hi to everyone here who are about to embark on this journey back through time to drive and race the incredible Grand Prix machines of 1967......once more except this time in GTL and not GPL as I get the impression a lot of you are ex GPL'ers, like myself.

I had the pleasure and honour to convert this mod to GTL and GTR2 from the rFactor F1Classic mod which used the GPLEA updated models from GPL as a basis for that mod. Apparently a lot of things were added and changed in the final rFactor mod so it wasn't just a straight conversion. Neither were the conversions to GTL and GTR2. Many things were changed from the rFactor source mod including completely new physics files. Even though rFactor and GTL / GTR2 have similar DNA (they both use the gmotor engine and hence have similar-ish graphics and file structure), things work a bit differently and a straight conversion of the physics was disastrous so the physics were necessarily re-done from scratch.

We tried to be as faithful as we could to the original cars by using real world data but exact information was really hard to come by so we tried to match them (somewhat but not exactly) to the speeds of their GPL counterparts. Having done this it was noticed that some cars just weren't competitive so we did some minor leveling trying to create a more competitive mod for all cars.

Ok that was version 1.0 but I decided that a version 1.1 was necessary to fix a lot of bugs and implement improvements that I had since learned how to achieve. Incidently, this is my first mod conversion and an early physics job for deep-strike (he who did all the physics for this mod). So version 1.1 set about, among other things, to resolve some mismatches between drivers and cars and introduced the slowest bunch of cars yet to the mod, specifically the Brabham BT11, Cooper T79 and Honda RA273, although the Honda isn't too bad.
We chose to retain the accuracy of these late additions as it was too much of a stretch to boost them up to the rest of the field and if we were to do that, we may as well have not bothered creating physics for them and going through the whole exercise.

Handling was just down to me (and a friend GeeDee) giving deep-strike feedback telling him how I thought the cars should handle, drawing on my experience from driving the GPL cars. He would make some adjustments, I'd drive the cars, give feedback, so on and so forth so apart from them being the same cars and the models being the original basis for the cars in the rFactor mod and subsequently this mod, that's where the similarities end. In no way are the physics / handling directly related to the cars of GPL except in as much as our attempts to somehow 'emulate' their handling.

As to fragility of the cars, we created 3 sets of damage files for the mod - none, normal and hardcore but the damage is more about crashing into things as opposed to engine fragility but I believe you will be using the 'none' damage file ?
Probably just as well as a slight knock would see you out of the race and if your crash was hard enough your wheels would be flying off in all directions !  ;)

Having said all that, I am pleased with the results and am absolutely stoked that the mod is getting run as a muliplayer season and wish you all an awesome and enjoyable time with it !
Unfortunately I am in Australia and times are a bit out of wack with you poms otherwise I'd join in the season and race with you all.

As an addition to what Clive said about things going wrong much more quickly because the cars are fast.....the brakes are pretty bad too !!

@SpecialKS
No way !
It was a Coventry-Climax FPF 2.7 L4 in the T1F ;)

Thanks Terry  :thumbup1:
real shame that you won't be able to join in the "mayhem"  ;)

Just to clarify. The damage model we are using is the default setting which is "normal". So the cars will take moderate knocks but you can still damage suspension/steering if you hit something too hard. The engines will blow but you need to seriously miss handle them for that to happen. Just sit in the pits in neutral and apply full revs to see that happen. ::)

Hi Tony,

Yes a shame to be sure but can't be helped. I'm sure there will be mayhem a plenty for all ;)
Normal damage will definitely up the challenge factor and keep people on their toes. Jolly good.

I'll admit it has been quite a while since I scrutinised the mod closely but yes, I do recall that the engines will over-heat quite quickly if you don't get some airflow happening...by sitting still and revving the guts out of them for example !
I think with normal damage, a hard enough smash will also see the wheels fly off :D

Anyway, even though I can't join in the fun I'll still keep an ocassional eye on proceedings ;)

Good luck and best wishes for an enjoyable, exciting and hopefully competitive season for all.
:D

 

Sorry to say I won't make the F1 trial race at Donnington.  Have a commitment to race the No-Grip race so had better honor it.  Will watch the replay for sure...Have fun.

Bob M.

Many thanks for that background info Terry, it helps to understand where things are coming from.

So actually I was wrong to directly compare them to GPL cars. Terry and his group have created a new set of cars utilising  R factor and the updated GPL models as a basis.

If I read Terry's post correctly they have then tried to replicate the physics of the cars based on whatever knowledge they could find about that era. The creators of GPL and Rfactor made similar "educated guesses"
about car performance and created their own versions of '67.  I have no idea who has got the closest to reality, and I never will know. But, what I can say is that, from my point of view,  Terry and his friends have produced a very credible historic Grand Prix sim.  Well done guys, although it will take me a while to get "into" the various cars.

From a personal point of view I would not want the cars to be equalled in performance ( unless the difference was so big that it effectively ruled the car out of contention). It makes life more interesting if one car is faster in a straight line but is lacking in handling, against another car that is quick on acceleration but lacking on top end or one car is better on the brakes but lacks grunt.

The cars that are a hangover from the 66 season ( Eagle TIF, Brab BT11, Lotus 43, plus one or two others) would naturally be slower as they have less raw horespower, but hopefully they would prove easier to drive being lighter, especially on a twisty circuit where power and top speed is not such a great advantage ( thinking Monaco here).

Having a selection of cars also allows a season to be handicapped and offers the organisers a chance to reign in the aliens, by excluding them from the fastest machinery.

Thanks to Terry again, I am still getting my head around the handling of these projectiles, but initial impressions are that it works well.. just different enough from GPL to deny me any advantage! and now that you have mentioned Rfactor, I can see the influence of that sim in these cars too.

Looking forward to trying out most of these beasts in the forthcoming series, especially the "B" options like the Eagle TIF which has an awesome engine sound................and actually is very sweet to drive as there is not a huge lump of torque trying to throw you at the scenery.

Many thanks to Clive & Terry for their insights.

Am struggling with getting this to run.

Have done the following:

- Made a copy of my GTL folder with a new name
- Deleted all the stuff I figured wasn't needed - all non-standard tracks and all standard + downloaded cars
- Installed the F1 cars
- Downloaded all the updates and installed as instructed
- Set GTL.exe to run as administrator
- Started GTL and bought one of each F1 car

When I try to start a practice session, I can select track and car, but when I try to start, I get a flash of the track loading screen and GTL then crashes to desktop.

Anyone have any suggestions - do I perhaps need the standard cars too or at least the folder structure ?

Edit: Copied all the other cars back; standard + downloaded.  It didn't help.

Cheers,
Erling

Not heard of this before Erling. Can you run a trace file please?

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13381.msg241379#msg241379

Just gone on the F1 1967 Donnington track to check everything works OK still, it doesn’t, I get the message – misnoimis: misnoimis “iDonington.gdb” mismatch.  Any ideas. I thought I had installed all the updates. What were the last ones and I will try them.  ???

@Erling. I think I got something similar until I set gtl.exe to run in XP U3 (maybe U2) compatibility mode
"run as adminsitrator" is also required, but you've done that.

@Misnoimis. I get the same mismatch error. err except mine doesn;t say "misnoimis"  ;)

me too, same message but my name??

My initial guess is you have different track daylight times. Can you please install this http://www.mediafire.com/download/r6mjw7s1ygcdrr3/iDonington.zip

Meanwhile I'll check the server has the same.

Hi Tony off line have all cars and work perfect   just tried online and have orig cars to choose from but only have one 67 car, this is with a steam GTL?

i also get the mismatch errors

I also get the miss match error.

Can drive on track but no choice of car

Have done another install now have all cars and all cars online work.

Thanks for the suggestions guys; I'm up and running   :clap:

Tried the compatibilty settings first, but that didn't help.  Am not running my regular GTL with it either.  Next setup the tracefile as suggested by Tony.  Study of the result revealed a missing file.  I had inadvertently deleted the 'shared' folder among the tracks, when I cleared out all the downloaded ones. Copied it back and that did the trick.

Now I just need to find a car I can survive in. Tested with a Lotus and yikes..  :o

Cheers,
Erling

1) Misnoimis. I get the same mismatch error. err except mine doesn;t say "misnoimis" 2)  Me too, same message but my name?? 3) I also get the mismatch errors. 4) I also get the miss
match error.
Damn it, I thought I was unique, another dream shattered.  :laugh:

Wow, never been too keen on open wheel racing, but this could be a lot of fun !! :)

Only had time to try out one car for real; the Eagle T1F, which is apparently one of the slower ones.  Still commands huge respect though; the pendulum effect mentioned by Clive is certainly felt - once it starts rotating, it sure wants to continue.

Probably meaningless to compare laptimes so early, but still curious, if anyone wants to share. Clive posted some earlier.  My best so far in the Eagle T1F is 1:31.6.  That was with default setup, except for gearing, soft tyres and the diff settings tweaked a little, to make it more benign.

Off to try some other cars; it's getting late here in CET..  :)

Btw, such a long time since I've been on Donington GP, so on my first lap, I autopiloted on National instead, going "who put that wall there ??'..  :D

Cheers,
Erling

Phew, that one had me puzzled, glad your ok now

Hey your fixed too, that's good to know

@ Matt. Sorry, realised you had not had an answer to this. The brake fix is Step 3 in the original post about F1 '67 installation.

I may have fixed the online miss match messages. Can someone let me know if it's fixed for them please?

PS. Early as poss please, I'd like to get to the bottom of this before the race.

Just tried joining the server, all OK. :thumbup1:

Did more practice, with the Ferrari 312-66 and quickly fell in love  :wub:

It doesn't turn in or brake as willingly as the Eagle T1F, but seems to handle abuse a lot better - you can certainly get the power down sooner.  This is based on 'out of the box' setups, but experienced setuppers can probably tune them to their liking.  With setup tips provided by Matt earlier (thanks mate!), I was able to improve the turn in slightly on the Ferrari, without compromising its easy power down attitude too much. (Softened front springs slightly, hardened rear ditto, softened front slow rebound, hardened rear ditto).  It may actually be a good beginner's car  :)  After many (don't ask HOW many  ;)) practice laps, I finally dipped below 1:30, with a 1:29.9.

Didn't think I'd get ready in time, but am SO on for tonight's race  :)

Cheers,
Erling

That's the Ferrari I was testing today and seemed a good starting point. But setting one of these up is a mystery to me. With advanced setup you get slow and fast bump/rebound. Please can someone explain in simple terms what these do/are?

I just found this which seems to cover the basic idea Tony.

BUMP AND REBOUND EXPLAINED

The rules for Slow Bump/Rebound settings:
- If weight transfer is too fast which result in loss of grip, try to increase front and rear and vice versa.
- If the car under steers in corner entry and exit, increase rear OR decrease front.
- If the car over steers in cover entry and exit, decrease rear OR decrease front.

Fast Bump/Rebound settings:
- On a bumpy track where you lack grip over bumps and curbs, try to decrease front and rear.
- If the car bounces over bumps resulting in loss of grip, increase front and rear.
- If the car under steers over bumps, increase rear OR decrease front.
- If the car over steers over bumps, decrease rear OR increase front.
Lower settings (eg 1) = dampers offer less resistance so springs are pretty much free to move as they
please
Higher settings (eg 20) = dampers will "hold" or the slow springs' movement down and so stop them
reacting as fast ...

1. Fast Bump - Controls the rapid upward movement of this suspension corner following
bumps and curbs. This Bump is described as “Fast” because the damper is moving up
(compressing) in a rapid motion, usually above 100mm/sec (use telemetry). So this adjustment
controls how a tyre conforms to the road as it’s negotiating the leading edge-topeak
of a bump or road undulation. If you find the car pushing to the outside of the track
in a “skating” fashion over bumps, then soften (lower) this setting. If the car floats and
changes direction erratically, then stiffen (higher) this setting. When in doubt, go softer.

Slow Bump - Controls the mild UPWARD movement of this suspension corner caused
by a driver input (steering, braking, throttle). This Bump is described as “Slow” because
the damper is moving up (compressing) in a slow motion, usually below 70mm/sec
damper speed (use telemetry). Used to affect chassis balance while we are transitioning
into, and out, of the corners. Decreasing this number will speed up how quickly a corner
accepts weight transfer while we are transitioning. Increasing will slow it down.

Fast Rebound - Controls the rapid DOWNWARD movement of this suspension corner
following bumps and curbs. This Rebound is described as “Fast” because this damper is
moving down (extending) in a rapid motion, usually above 100mm/sec (use telemetry).
So this adjustment controls how a tyre conforms to the road as it’s negotiating the peaktotrailing
edge of a bump or road undulation. If the fast bump setting has been changed,
then it’s usually a good idea to change fast rebound in a similar manner.

Slow Rebound - Controls the mild DOWNWARD movement of this suspension corner
caused by a driver input (steering, braking, throttle). This Rebound is described as “Slow”
because the damper is moving down (extending) in a slow motion, usually below 70mm/
sec damper speed (use telemetry). Used to affect chassis balance while transitioning
into, and out, of the corners. Decreasing this number will speed up how quickly this
corner gives up - or “sheds” - weight transfer while we are transitioning. Increasing this
setting will slow it down.

Thank you, I'm now slightly wiser  :wacko:

Doing better than me then.  ;D ???

Game running fine online with me. Hoping to see the chequered flag in tonights race.
Still cruising around 1:35.5 in good laps.  :P

Just checked online before going out. I still get the miss match message.  :(

I still get the mismatch. I had the 1.1, and maybe 1.2 files in the wrong place, I had unzipped them into the gamedata folder, and it had created
a new gamedata folder inside gamedata. I have now unzipped them over the existing gamedata, so it ads the files within it.
I am hoping the brakes balance will be better now, I couldn' get anything to turn in last night with the fronts locking.

Those still getting a miss match message should perhaps use the Donny daylight patch I made. I think this is what is causing the miss match (not having it that is).

If you already have this patch in place, I'm stumped.

The link to the daylight patch is contained within the race announcement.

Providing the lap times look sensible these miss match messages aren't that much of a problem.

Last line should read:

- If the car over steers in cover entry and exit, decrease rear OR increase front.

Have you tried decreasing the overall brake pressure in car setup, and/or decreasing brake sensitivity in controller setup?

The problem was that I had unzipped the 1.2 files to the wrong place, and was getting the original daft brake balance issue
All is working fine now I have the proper update in place  ::) 46 front seems to be a good starting point for brake balance.

I was on line with ATi earlier, and I tried one of his online setups. It looks "unconventional" (To me anyway) but was a much nicer drive than mine, although
I had to learn to be more gentle with the right foot. I like the Eagle, Honda 300,m and the MacLaren so far, my best times are in the Mac so far
with a high 27. ATi managed to just dip into the high 26  :o
These cars are a wild ride, and i will need a LOT of practice to be able to lap consistently

No mismatch error after doing the Sunny Donny fix

I have just reinstalled the updates and still get a miss match,  :cursing: everything looked OK to me, could not find any folders within folders or anything. I get a sunny Donny. A bit confused about Matts mention of v1.2 files. Did he mean v1.12 update? Will try to join anyway if I can.

Yes please join in.

Matt meant 1.12. Matt's brain is losing cells at a fast rate these days... ::)

Although it didn't last long I really enjoyed these cars. Brabham handles well but is a bit down on acceleration & straight line speed.

Had a few laps battling first with Ziu & then Clive, until Clive ran a little wide going down Craners & lifted off. I braked to avoid him, just touched him I think but the car went off into the barriers bending the steering. Made it back to the pits but could not get the pitboard to come up to make repairs, so sadly retired.

Happy New Year all, cya at East London.

Replay available now, results will follow (a few glasses of Vino)

ooooh! sorry about that Geoffers.
I wondered why my car lurched a little, but I confess that i did not notice you go off at that point. It only dawned on me that I was alone at the end of the lap and I ran wide again looking in my mirrors for you.

Great fun and grats to the podium and Ati was carrying some awesome pace....I think we mortals have some serious homework to do if we are going to bother him!!

Thanks Tony, I think.  

I started moonlighting at GTL just to try something different from open wheel racing over at GPL..................................................???!!! ::)

A very short race for me. I still have my mismatch problem. Will see if I have it at the next track.

I kept getting engine condition in the red when I tried joining the starting grid. I was all over the place on lap one, just couldn’t find any rhythm. Then on lap two I must have accelerated a fraction early before a straight (or a virtual half shaft broke) for the car swerved off the track into a tyre barrier. End of race for me.  :'(
 
Nothing about the race felt right to me tonight but I am still looking forward to the next race.

Grats to winner, podiums and all.  :clap:

Enjoyed that very much.  ;D  Took the Mac because it was the one I done most practice in, and thought i might make it to the end

I Like the Honda 300 as well, but had very little practice time in it. Tried the Locusts, but didn't get on with either of them, though they are
probably very fast, I struggled with them, I used to drive ferri and Eagle in GPL, because i didn't enjoy the Locusts in that either.

Race went well, had some close racing with Ziu, he got past twice, and I managed to repass, and then pulled out a gap which I mostly
held on to up to the end. COuld not match the pace of ATi (not surprisingly)  ::) he was faster in the Cooper than I was in the Mac
so him in a Mac was a given. :)  My tyres were down to about 40% by the end, maybe the rears were slightly worse than the fronts
I will give it a bit more rear grip for future events to give more chance of keeping it on the track.

That was different but great!  :)

Only got the installation made and running late last night, so no time to explore more than a couple of cars.  Settled for the Ferrari 312-66, as it was a wonderful drive.

Qualified in the low midfield.  At the start, it was for once me jumping Clive and not the other way round, as usual.  Hope we can make a habit of that..  ;D   At T1, the wily buggar took back 5th however, with a cheeky move on the inside.

Quickly looked to be a lonely race, as gaps extended both front and behind.  Gained a place when Geoffers went off.  After some laps, I could glimpse Clive up ahead, without really gaining on him though - until he lost it under braking, allowing me to slip past.  He chased me over the following laps, gap seesawing a bit depending on who slipped up a little. Overall though, he was drawing closer, until he lost it under braking again and hit my car.  Mine seemed unaffected, but sadly ended our scrap, as something was damaged on Clive's.

Race now turned lonely, until I caught Roger with a lap late in the race.  Caught me out when he braked to let me past, and I swerved onto grass and gravel. Thus took long to get up to speed again and pass him - sorry about that Roger.  With no lights to flash as thank you, I instead hit the button where I thought I had put my 'thank you' message. Instead of this, my gear display jumped from right to left corner of the screen.  Momentary panic attack and concentration thrown, but thankfully nothing more happened  :)

Grats to the podium and commiserations to those that met with misfortune in the race.

Thanks to Tony for making this happen - and a huge big thank you to Terry and his mates for making this mod and sharing it with us all.  Cars look amazing with all the engine, exhaust and suspension details. Fascinating to see the suspension working in the replays.  Can't wait to explore the rest of the cars  :)

Cheers,
Erling

Results posted but I need to get the Brabham BT11 and Ferrari 312-66 put into the same class so the records shown are not correct.

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_bERra1RFTFNnb28?ltmpl/index.html)

 8)

Happy new year to you all, guys.

Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

I hadn't tested a lot of the hardware available but decided to take one of the "slower" cars. Chose the baby Brabham and it was a treat to chuck around and behaved impeccably. Nothing changed to the default setup except for lowering the tyres pressures a lot to get even temps across the tyre and a couple of clicks to balance the brakes towards the rear. Ran on soft's and they felt like they could of done another race (didn't change at pitstop, just repaired suspension damage). Tyre temps were odd tho. Fronts went to green eventualy but the rears stayed cool.
Actually I've never much liked Donny but in this car I would happily do another race there.
Thanks to everyone who turned out to help the test which I think on the whole went quite well.

Bring on Kyalami!

Spoil t for choice of car but practiced in 3 of them  Eagle/Fez and Lotus, had faster lap times with Lotus  but not so easy to drive for me and over 28 laps decided to go with Eagle tig preferred the engine sound more than the Fez. Enjoyed race  but a lonely one apart from seeing Erling a couple of times. Super cars a great mod Thank you Modders and Thanks Tony for running this mod.

Grats Ati7 on win

Grats to Podium

And a Happy New Year to Everyone

Hi Guys,

Glad to see that the practice race went smoothly (relatively speaking) and that you are enjoying the mod. Looks like you have an exciting season ahead. ;)
Thank you for the thanks too BTW. I appreciate it and will pass it along to the others.
Good luck chaps and have fun !!

Terry
:D