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Season 29 - CHAMPIONSHIP 69X  : ROUND 3 - SILVERSTONE (Papy track)

For Round 3 we return to Silverstone, the Home of British Motorsport. Silverstone hosted the very first Formula 1 Grand Prix in 1950 and although the circuit layout has changed over the years, the variant of the track we will race on tonight is practically the same as the original 1950 layout. The only real difference is the pit lane. In fact the track was used in this form until 1975.  Silverstone witnessed dozens of spectacular races during this period not only Formula 1 but also sports cars and motorcycles.


After 2 races, Tim is leading the championship followed by Andreas and Axel. …but we are waiting for Rouen race moderation.
The race will be run under INT rules and you can do one Shift+r  (only one) followed by a stop and go in the pits (Stop and Go must be taken within two laps of the incident unless on the last lap when a time penalty will be added).

We will use the patch : 60fpsV1 (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/60fps/).

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP Address	=	look at IGOR
Race date	=	08-11-2015
Qualification Time	=	~21:00  UK time -> 30min
Race Time	=	race starts at 21:30 UK time
Track	=	SILVERSTONE (standard papy)
Variant	=	69X
60fps patch used	=	60fpsV1
Damage Model	=	INT
Race length	=	34 laps
Replay	=	you will get here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season29/69Xtra/)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only, including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=509&theme=6)

and remember :

Drivers will have a free car choice
BUT
Each car can be driven only once in this season!

Moderation : no more red zone, only reported incidents will be moderated.

Have FUN !

Racers should not use the following cars (already used) :

Driver                    SPA                   ROUEN

Ronnie Peterson     Ferrari 312

Andreas Gebhardt   Matra MS80         Matra MS84

FullMetalGasket      McLaren M9A       BRM P126

Doni Yourth           Lotus 49b            BRM P126

Axel Cookie           Lotus 49b            Ferrari 312

Dean Logan           Matra MS80         Lotus 49b

Samb                   McLaren M9A       Matra MS80

Rainier                  McLaren M9A      BRM P126

Marco Mercaldo      McLaren M9A       Brabham BT26

philippe GIRARD     Ferrari 312          Lotus 63

Ronnie Nilsson       Lotus 49              Lotus 49b

dave curtis            Lotus 49             Matra MS84

bernie                  Brabham BT24     Brabham BT26

GregT                  Ferrari 312          Matra MS10

bagrupp               Lotus 49b            Brabham BT26

Baab                    McLaren M9A

Piero Mercaldo      McLaren M9A       Brabham BT26

Tom Van Ostade                            BRM P126

Francesco Molteni                          Mc Laren M7

Evil Clive                                      BRM P126

OK, I know that you'll be not wanting to help me drive better in the race, but does anyone have any good setups?  I can't d/l them from the track database (dunno why), and I can't find a driveable setup with more than 8 / 10 degrees wing.   ::)

Nice chart, Dave.  Helps keep track of things.

Here are all setups I have. Some I haven't tried in quite a while though, so use at your own risk :D .


http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverBrab.bb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverBrm.br1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverFez.fe1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverLoty49.lo1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverLoty63.co1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverMatra%20zandy%20diff.mu1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverMatra.mu1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/BasicSilverMcLaren.ea1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil_LongGP.bb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil_LongGP.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil_LongGP_BT24.bd1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil12535.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil12651.bb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH_Sil12651_BT24.bd1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2%20Sil%2012533%20FFon.fe1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2%20Sil12468%20FFon.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2%20Sil12471%20FFon.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2_Sil_12lapGP_FF.bb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2_Sil_12lapGP_FF_BT24.bd1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2_Sil_40lapGP_FF.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2_Sil12492.lp1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/GH2_Sil12589_FF_T1F.eb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/MicSilverbrab69.bb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/MicSilverbrm69.br1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/MicSilverFer69.fe1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO%20MicSilverbrm69.br1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO%20MicZandyMatra.mu1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO_GH_Sil12651_BT24.bd1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO_GH2%20Sil%2012533%20FFon.fe1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO_GH2_Sil12589_FF_T1F.eb1
http://www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/silver/TvO_NoWng_MicSilverbrm69.br1

Thanks Tom - you're a legend!  8)

A GPLegend  ;D

Training server is up

PW = 60fpsV1  (to prevent 36fps to join)


Shame MM, viva Vale! Grats Jorge ;)

The fact that Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez were Booed on Valencia podium says it all. Sad day for genuine MotoGP fans everywhere.

LA-LA-LA-LA! I can't hear you!
Can't watch it live since it went from Eurosport;   will have to watch it tomorrow on ITV4 highlights show...   Just hope I don't see the result anywhere in the meantime  :)

See you all at the next crash-fest folks.

I dont think this driver will be bothering  >:(

I don't think I've driven much worse than tonight.  I was over 0.6 seconds slower than my PB in qualy, ending up 13th.  Arrived at the crash scene and gently bumped into the side of a BRM, then was obliterated by two cars from behind - smoke / flames.  Reset, took my S&G at the end of the lap, and somehow ended up 18th.. ?  Ploughed the usual lonely furrow, kept spinning off.  Hopeless.  >:(

Stupid faulty 69X mod makes double #12 for Philipe and me....
Cost me an extra hour to fix the files for the import ::)

My race was fun, as long as it lasted til my engine blew :o

Shame there was another :devil: T1 melee :devil:

After the incident ,stop &go and than the race was not bad until,behind Girard,i done a strange spin.After this,to do track at the leader,i go on the green  but with an overturning.

So... who wants to do the honours this time?

sorry again guys for the chaos(second time) at the start, I am very sorry that my accident has affected the performance of other drivers.After a good qualifying, I thought only to be prudent and to maintain the position.Piero is not a good start ,I continually looking to the left , I found myself  at T1 first position , with the best path, I made the curve being inside, but  when I was accelerating , nearly save, I flew away   triggering the usual chaos. I can not say what happened to my brother, I think he's come long at T1,  and he did not have full control, possibly due to a slight touched on grass ,and surely a big wrap (min 1.00.00) because his car jumps to the right, and  he touched me.

Apologies Dave  :oops:

Not a very nice race for me.

At the start, when i saw a struggeling car i hit the brakes coming to a complete stop (although I hit a car with slow speed) and got bumped from behind even a bit harder.

I didn't watch the rpy yet but later in the race one of the meracaldos hit me out in the first corner, later Doni crossed my line when overtaking so we had wheel contact and later pushed me out as well.

Thats my feeling before watching the rpy - didn't have time yet. maybe i correct my Pov later in the evening.

Sorry mate, that was me.  :(  I, in turn, got hit from behind a second later.

np....a chain reaction again.

No !  I'm Sparticus  :)

Well, what do you know, it's someone else's fault again.  ::)

To be fair to many peoples view Pieros' car would have jumped - he either put a wheel on the grass or simply stood on the throttle too quick for cold tires when exiting T1, which did result in him slewing to the right slightly before regaining control.
I just got lucky this time as I was close enough to both see it happening and avoid it, and as luck would have it was even between them in effect when they hit.

A shame, I did some work on last seasons Ferrari setup which clearly worked as I appeared to have the fastest car in the race - I'd have rather worked for the win though. :(

Congrats go to Andreas and Ronnie for filling the podium and all of the survivors  :)

I'm not trying excuses, at Rouen I confirmed my mistake and I apologized and I have not blamed anyone, I just expressed my point of view, I do not understand what Logan has (sorry for the terms but it is he who insists)to break my balls...................lets you work the moderators  and  think of your ........ business. If u had not understood Piero it s my brother , you want to say that I want to blame him?????

You confirmed ONE of your mistakes (the being in neutral for eight full seconds). The moderators have determined that it was not worthy of a penalty. I even agreed to that, though I think the dispensation should have a limit (maybe two or three seconds, tops). Anyone who does not realize that their car is not moving for that amount of time HAS to bear some responsibility for the carnage that followed.

It's what happened after that that I have a serious problem with. Though the rules specifically state that any car rejoining the track MUST stay out of the way of other traffic, you didn't. You drove straight into the middle of the track, SLOWLY, and Bastian tried his best to get around you (as is his right). There was contact which I believe was mostly your fault, not Bastian's.


And that's EXACTLY what I'm doing here. DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?


ROFL. Hope you never deal with me in real life.  ;D


The moderators WANT to hear different people's views. If you have a problem with the way things work here, find a different league.


Piero was blameless in both situations. He was well clear of the shenanigans at Rouen, and may well have recovered his half-spin at Silverstone IF YOU HADN'T DECIDED THAT YOU DESERVE 80% OF THE TRACK, and anyone who dares to use more than the 20% left over, well, "his car jumped to the right AND HE HIT ME BOOOOOO HOOOOOO".

(http://www.paolinsrl.com/scp/02.jpg)
(http://www.paolinsrl.com/scp/03.jpg)

For better explain what I meant , these are two consecutive frames of my replay.I repeat that I did not want to make excuses,I just made assumptions based on my replay.

Without stepping on the moderators' toes, IMO Marco could/should have given more room on the outside. But Piero also slightly loses control on the outside, corrrecting and then touching with Marco.

To me this is no simple black/white incident, but to me both have some responsibility here...Marco arguably more than Piero, since he is the one that tries to make a move...

The real issue here is how the hell did Tim get through that gap unscathed  :o :o :o

Hey, you guys wanna see something really funny/sad? This was waiting for me today:

(https://i.imgur.com/HYIi8Gw.png)

 :D ;D ::)

The thread seems to be matching the race - collision central ;).

On that note, Burt was practising on his own, as the server was full; he'd just re-installed GPL, and wasn't signed up, but might wish to in future? He joined the 65s this week, after setting up 60 fps etc. :P

Dean - if you have some time to review incidents and can assess it fairly from each driver's POV, then no doubt you'll make a good moderator.

Someone wrote a duplicated Reko investigation for the start ?

Moderation posted. Thanks to other moderators for their help.

Moderation published :  Opinion required when penalty will not fix the problem.  Incorrect stop & go was 30 seconds - now 5.  With this, you will have to check every driver, every race. 

A reset in the pit happens in every League.  It needs a big discouragement.  When a driver of many years does this, there is an advantage.  5 seconds only is an advantage.  Bring back 30 seconds, or cause a wheel to fall off, for an extra stop.  :P

We already check pitstops for every driver and every races.

In Rouen, Marco didn't really stop and he had 30 seconds.
In Silverstone, it was not so clear for Clive, and for Greg he made the pitstop but before the reset, and before that he joins the pits at slow speed, I cannot see where is the advantage.
   
 
Greg is not a driver of many years in UKGPL. I did exactly the same mistake during my first (or 2nd) season here.
By the way, I could even give him a penalty of 4 laps if you prefer but it will not change anything.

No-one likes penalties.  It would be good if one penalty, stops the next penalty.  When they are good, they might be needed less. 8)

Really? See all that wonderfully clear, open, and SAFE space for Marco to be (like on the OTHER HALF OF THE TRACK)? Yeah, that's HIS screenshot, btw.  ::)

(http://www.paolinsrl.com/scp/03.jpg)

Doesn't the etiquette guide say that when you don't know exactly where the other guy is, to leave AT LEAST half the track width for them (which Piero did), until you're sure that it's safe? Wouldn't that have been a good idea, especially right at the start of the race when you know that any small incident can have MAJOR repercussions? Isn't that even up to the "bad decision which affects other's races" standard?

How many more races am I going to have to start lap 2 at the back of the field, 30 seconds or a minute behind the leaders (and my shift-r already spent on something I had nothing to do with), because "nobody did anything even the slightest bit wrong"?

Reconsidering my involvement with this championship, because recovery drives are not fun, and IMO moderations like that make the results meaningless, and only invite further carnage, and arguing, and "why am I getting penalized when X took out the entire field TWICE IN A ROW" pissing contests.

 >:(

Hi Dean, I've sent you a PM.  Please have a read at your earliest convenience.

Nothing in my inbox?

That is a bit odd.  I've resent.  There should be something in your "my messages" page

Oh, it's the one from last week you're talking about.

I've been kind of waiting to see how this plays out, and as much as I'd like to offer what help I can (and still will, regardless), frankly, I'm not anxious to be associated with decisions like this (or Rouen). I'm at a loss to understand how there is "no clear fault" here, and would be completely unable to describe to anyone asking how this somehow promotes clean, fun racing, which is what I thought we were all here for.

mhh not so agreeing with the decisions,
but life goes on....in Monza !

Dean, every moderator has his "own style", and how much we try to be consistent with UKGPL Rules, there will always be different views and interpretations.

There was consensus about the start incident between Marco and Piero. We felt both could/should have given eachother more room, and/or be more cautious. Marco understeered/slid to the outside, and Piero slightly lost control at the exit (oversteer). Both cars moved to eachother. Therefore it was decided to be a contested side-by-side contact, racing incident...this was not a black/white incident with only one driver having responsibility...

I know it's off topic, but
what is the Vmax is 69x mod with the Matra MS80, to Monza , for example?
I have a lot of difficulty to properly set my box   :P

It will depend on wings, tire pressures, gearing, and draft, but for an example, with (iirc) wings at 3 deg front/3.5 deg rear and tires at 23psi cold, I was getting 304kph at the end of the straights the last time I ran the MS80 in a race there.

Oh...I have work !
I am in 196 at the end of the straight line !

Is that km/h or mph?

Are you sure you picked "Grand Prix", and not one of the trainer cars?

sorry, no 196, but 296 km. !!!

thank you for your help