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Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 9 at Estoril

Date: Sunday 23rd April

Practice 1: 8:00pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S2
Password: Will be emailed to those that need it.

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive at least 15 minutes prior to qualifying, during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should wait till 5 minutes before end of Practice 1 before joining (8:25pm) so that they only take up genuine free spots.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=15) for general Endurance Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(5) Season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found elsewhere.

The server is up for practice. I'll probably be on it between 3 and 5pm today having a wee practice.

I might pop alone for a few laps. I need to work on my damping for the bumpy turms there.

Ok, popping in now for some practice.

There are 3 cogs, 12 screws, 2 bearings and a few circuit boards in a momo wheel.
Hoped I'd figure out how it all goes back together before the race :oops:

Hope you guys have fun.....GLA

Denied :(
Lost connection. Hope it didn't affect anybody behind us. Sorry if it did. I guess it's better to lose connection at the start rather than on the last lap. Oh well...
Hope you'll had a good race ;)

Entering the odd race just to get back into the feel of these, and obviously very different to a Nascar!!

Not sure I have my wheel just right yet, but at least I knocked a couple of seconds off my PB.

Jon if you were in the Lister then it stopped right on the exit of the last turn, which caused a bit of smoke and bumping, sorry to Picnic here obviously not one of those things you expect - but hardly Jon's fault if the connection goes.

Good battle with Jamera for a few laps but I seem to suddenly lose it and then guess the tyres go all screwy.

Cheers

Nick

LOL. I spent the last few days trying to GTL work and stop it CTD, At last i got it to work, Now GTR does it. I cant win :D

What a tough but fantastic race !

Had great qualy battle with SBG, and he pipped me by about a 100th of a second, so i was 3rd NGT with a new PB on grid behind the Shark man who pulled out a flyer.

Race started great, saw i was able to be later on the brakes than SBG and shark in front. Waited behind SBG a couple of laps then got close enough in the last corner to get a great draft behind him on the back straight and take the inside line into T1. Then spent a few laps chasing Shark and then managed to do the same to him and gain P1 NGT  :o 
Shark then kept a watching brief behind me for the first 45 minutes always between 1 to 3 seconds behind and i was chuffed to bits to still be leading all the way upto mid race distance.
Then saw that Shark pitted whilst 3 secs behind me and so i continued to cane it for a lap or two more and pitted on 45 minutes, thinking that with less fuel to put in, i should come out in front of Shark with a shorter stop.....well that was the plan ::), bastard pit crew took 43 seconds and i came out 16 seconds behind Shark  >:(
Dont know why ???  it really p*ssed me off and ruined the race really as i would never make up that difference unless Shark made a mistake....and he never!

I'm still very happy with 2nd place NGT and 4th overall in the race, but i would oh so have loved to fought to the end on the track and hoped to get my first class win,

great racing, loved it. 8)  Well done Sharky boy and Nakano for the class wins.....buggers ;)  hehe.

Tough old race again!
Tired tracking down Picnic the whole race, everytime I got close I made some silly error. I was Sure he was going to crack as he's not so used to driving Enduro, but he didn't., great driving.
Not sure how you nGT boys drive so quick, I felt I was on the limit the whole time? ;)
All in all a great challenge and grats to all on the podium and finishers alike.

Large NGT turnout, not so large for GT, only 6 and only 3 finished I think.

Congratulations to Shark for, I believe, another championship  :D

I didn't notice a tap Nick, probably too worried about the one I gave TT. Didn't expect a parked car there and I saw it late as it obscured by other cars  :o

Quite pleased with that effort, and for me 80 mins are an effort  :-[ Only one half spun on the penultimate lap being the only minor discretion. That was one stable setup Shark. Thanks again. Mind you still can't fathom how you can go about 2 secs quicker using it  >:(

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Estoril%20-%20Endurance%20S2%20230406.zip) and provisional results are available

Enough to give us both a bit of damage front and back accordingly - but glad you did not notice LOL!

What a race  ;D. Summed up the season.

Got pushed back to 3rd when mark did me into T1, great move mate. Then chasing Shark for a bit until we both spun around Dan (I think), sorry whoever it was, must have scared the crap out of you and it was entirely our fault. That put me back just in front of TT with tyres going very wobbly. He managed to do me in the pits as well, German efficiency my ass  :-\, but I caught him on cold tyres and stuck it past him on T1. Then, not for the first time this season, caught in stupid incident which put me 15 second behind TT again :taz:. Bit snakey now, caught TT hand over fist and caught him with 2 laps to go. Unfortunately we caught Tyf at the same time. Knew he wasn't going to do me any favours, like a good team mate should, and TT gained just enougth to pip me. Great stuff, interrupted by silly things. Summed up season.

Doh, Mark thought you done him this time. Congrats to Shark  :).

Wow, quite a race.

Qualified on pole (just). Just shaded my PB by a few thousands and only just ahead of SBG and Mark Jonzo (about 0.2 of a second). Great times guys. There was a big NGT field and the qualifying times were really good. Very slim GT field (only 6) with Krueger, Boyd, CeeJay and Mo not there, which was a shame but it did mean I was only lapped once by one driver the entire race which was a wierd change. After JonM's unfortunate disco at the end of the warmup lap (gutted for you Jon after your pole) GTs were down to 5 and then 4 and they kept dropping. Don't know what happened to Rich (saw him go off once in front of me), another disco eventually? Just Nakano and SpaceFox at the end in GT.

I had chosen a quick stop strategy by plonking in a race's worth of fuel at the start and having practiced tirelessly on my pit stops working out exactly where to brake coming in and accelerating coming out I had it down to a fine art. Knew i could pick up up to 5 seconds just from my well drilled pit stop so as long as I was in contention come pit stops I could make up a bunch in the pits with not having to take any fuel too.

My early race pace was a bit off and Mark took me down the main straight and into the braking for T1 (nice move Mark). He pulled out a small gap of about 3 seconds which I gradually closed down to 1. Was having to work the car much harder than I wanted (and it wanted). The extra weight in the car was slowing me a little and was really shredding the tyres more than I had expected. Had a moment coming towards the really slow chicane when i clipped the preceding corner's curb and span it. Great driving from SBG and the driver I had just lapped as I did a 360 degree spin and carried on in the right direction without losing a place and only 2 or 3 seconds to Mark. That was my one stroke of luck for the race and after my heart stopped racing I settled down again.

As we approached middle distance I was keeping the gap to Mark at around 2 - 3 seconds, but my tyres had had it. My spin and my extra weight were making it like driving on ice. Had a few little moments and come the pit stops I had lost ground to Mark who was now 4 - 5 seconds in the lead.

Not to worry I thought. Hopefully my fuel strategy will pay off. Came in for my pit stop, not quite perfect on entry could have braked a fraction later but was ok. In the pits, hit RETURN immediately the board came up, turned off the engine and waited. It was a little chilly when I started racing as we've had the windows open whilst we painted in the house, but I was boiled come the pit stops so whipped off my jumper and downed half a pint of water. Just tyres, not fuel and as soon as my crew had finised their job, I turned the engine back on and blasted out of the pits. Perfect exit and knew I had to put in some (Schumacher style) stonker laps after the pit stops.

Mark came in one or two laps after I had and I was ecstatic as I fizzed down the main straight past his refueling car in the pits. When he came out he was 15 seconds behind, but with the fresh rubber and already lighter fuel load my car felt good and I banged in lap after lap of fast ones adding another 4 or 5 seconds to my lead in the early stages of the second half.

Mark didn't seem to have any answer to my extra second half pace with my car lighter and better rubber I had it in the bag. Just had to keep my concentration and the win (and my second successive endurance championship title) was mine.

Great racing Mark, really enjoyed that and it felt like a true and proper endurance race. Was the full 80 mins and pit stop strategy playing a part as well as changing car speeds with the fuel load, marble build up and tyre wear.

Well done to my team mates, excellent Team Shark precense and top draw 4th position Picnic. Also congratulations to Nakano for the GT win.

The NGT championship has been very close this season, the pace at the front has been really challenging and hats off to everyone on that. One round to go and my lead can't be taken now. Tempted to take GT next race (if that's allowed) to bump up the GT numbers, but I'd like to do NGT from start to finish really, be a shame to not compete with the NGT drivers in the last round.

Congrats to Shark, and NGT Legends, for wrapping up titles tonight. Worthy winners indeed. Not forgetting Naks excellent first win of the season.


Please don't Shark, I think everyone is desperate for another chance to beat you  ;).

Ah, but just think of beating Shark 's GT in your little old NGT  ;D The glory  ;)

Still 2 knackered to read all that Shark typed, lol!

Feels like I ran a bloody marathon! :P :P :P

LOOOL!

Real shame JonM, would have stood a good chance I think.
Ginsters m8, I wasn't going to hold u up (2 long ;)), but I think Rich was in between us as well and I believe u let him pass, leaving me in doubt whether I should let u go by or not!? Only 1 lap to go anyways (again I think :)).
Took the Morgan, but never again. Race against the clock in the end, trying to catch up Clarey (sp?), was 2nds a lap faster, but everytim e he/she/it ;) got in sight, I spun 1/2 or full (90 degrees up to 720 I think ;)). Completely knackered, wasted, pissed off, etc in the end, but at least I finished, hehe and luckily for me loads of others didn't :D.

Long live GTL!

LOL!

:punk:

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NGT Legends grab the NGT team Championship !!!.....yayyyy  8)...whohoo. Champers all round lads...'cept those lazy bugger mechanics, they can practise their pitstops ! ;)

Wish i could have been challenging SBG in the last round for second place, but missing those two races on the trot have left the gap too big to close.
Fantastic season with some really great close fought battles along the way, have really enjoyed them.

Well done on the drivers championship Shark, top driving mate, you deserved it !!  8)

Quallied 5th NGT I think, managed to gain 1 place and was trying to stay close to SBG in case he made a mistake. But he didn't. He pitted at about a half race and as I was losing my tyres so I also pitted 'cause he would pull away otherwise. Came outta pit beside SBG, was hearing him and predicted he was close. As he wasn't in front I didn't wanna just let go, so I managed to get in front of him. Very polite SBG, thanks.  ;) Well, he got me on s/f line anyway. Back to following, he kept me at about 2-3 seconds behind, our pace was quite low, we were both saving tyres. Then Rich went off in front, deconcentrated SBG and he spun. Came back 15 seconds behind me and kept gaining a second per lap. As this was at about 20 minutes before end I tried to go a bit faster. Managed to maintain the same diff at about 8 seconds. Then I passed Maverick (I think), lost about 2 seconds in that and SBG came to about 5 seconds. My tyres were out, he came closer and closer. Tyres smoked on every braking, temps were, oh. la la!  ;D  Couldn't hold him  any longer. On the last I would lose if Nakano wouldn't lap us. SBG had to let him pass and I saw he let go.  :-\ Yes, SBG, from the replay I don't think it was Tyf's fault, though I had need of every help.  ;D (Thanks, Tyf!).

Nakano is not to blame, he was in no positon to know it. But this is an example of how lapping by GT disrupts NGT racing. You have to let him pass or you get stop&go in the pit. Really bad luck, SBG. St00pid rules (but neccessary I guess).  :(

Btw, nice kick, Tyf!  ;D

All in all an undeserved third NGT.  :)

Cheers SBG. Everyone has pushed each other to great pace this season. I've set a few more PBs this season and more so developed my setups to an even better degree now as I'm sure (and know) the rest of you have too and without the intense competition that wouldn't happen. The pressure has been really strong this season as my pace has hit a plateau really (just tenths here or there at circuits, although I have better race pace than last season) and the rest of the pack has caught up. Although to be fair I'm not the fastest NGT driver by any means. Fortunately for me the really quick guys chose GT this season.  :P :laugh:

Yes, well done to NGT Legends on the NGT team championship title. Hadn't done my maths right, but you're right they can't be beaten now. Very good team effort from the OLD boys there.  :P :) Looks like Team Shark still have a job to do to take that 2nd spot.


Well Monza is your best shot. I hate the place. Not particularly quick there and have not really had good results at Monza. The low downforce configuration doesn't suit me and 911s just have the edge down the straights on top speed.

As Team Shark need that 2nd spot in the team championship I will stick with NGT for definate in the last race, don't want you Kerb Krawlers or those pesky Penguins nicking it off us at the last moment.  :D :2guns:

Jon you're at new house, new ADSL line right? Could be poor line stats.. luckily I already typed this https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1146.0

Great new quali record 1m34.4. Narrowly missed you Jon when you got disconnected but got by ok and had flying start pulling 19 seconds on second. But I put some grease on cog wheels which caused a blob of grease to go on the optics metal guage. It made the wheel be 90 degrees in one direction for center sometimes when the grease occasionally blocked the magnetism. So good tip is not to use any grease or oil on cogs!! Hopefully I can clean it up and have it working np for tomorrow night practice. Will be on CBFR server for nGT sprint practice. But sorry if I put anyone off with my crazy wheel antics, won't happen again for sure - think I put you off SBG but I kept clean line on outside but very slow, apologies for that. By put off I mean concentration not physically.

Grats to you Shark for nGT Championship and NGT Legends for Constructors. :)

Not at all TT :). I wasn't moaning about the ending, there was an earlier thing that peed me off, it was great drama. Everyone did the right thing and the rules have always worked well for me.

Well that was a different race! don't think I have ever seen so few GT's in a race ;et alone at the finish!!. I think Jon was unlucky to get disconnected as it would have been a easy win for him. When I noticed there were so few GT's I just stuck it in cruise mode TBH thought to myself that as long as I kept it on the track there was a podium there with minimal effort. Just wanted to keep the gap to space fox under 5 seconds in case he made a mistake.


TT I saw that you and SBG were having a dice for position and was holding back to let you guys sort it out for yourself as I had a 50ish second lead at that point but SBG made a mistake at the hairpin and ran off the track so I had to pass, then I thought I may as well save you having to do another lap as SBG had dissapeared from my rear view and by lapping you it would have no affect on the positional battle.

Thanks to the NGT guys you were all wonderful and a joy to race with ;D

OI! I was in a G2 class car!

 ;) :P :-* :angel-wings: :clap: :lol: :w00t: :yes: :turned:

:punk:

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Not sure I've said it before but well done to CeeJay where-ever you are. Won the GT class a while ago (amazingly fast driving, really outstanding) as did his team GTN, so congratulations to both.

Looks like 2nd and 3rd spot is still up for grabs in GT in both drivers and team championships though so still some good fights to come at the final round in Monza.

Thanks, Nakano!  ;) Good move!  ;D

Btw, Picnic, a tap didn't influence the cars performance at all, it was me who ruined the tyres.  ;D Forgot all about it until I pitted when I had to quickly convince the crew not to repair it. Otherwise SBG would go ahead.  :)

Too bad for Jon.  :(

Tyres! :D I remember my left front had 32 'wear', rest was lower but still 24 minimum I think. Used med/hard as well, lol! Guess all that hotlapping doesn't help preserve tyres!? Only pitted after 50 mins of racing though :D

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Wow! NGT team title wrapped up with a week to go. That was a top team effort :)

Great win Shark, we're making it as difficult as possible for you though! I see you're having to resort to 'cheating' (i.e. practicing pit-stop's ;)) to pull it out of the bag. Let's see if one of us can finally do the impossible at Monza  :yes:

Too bad you weren't there, Popa. You could mix some threads at the top. On the other hand, it's good as I couldn't hold another Piggie, ehm, Porsche, behind.  ;) Enjoy racing with you guys, and talking after also.  8)

SBG, you left so quickly after the race, I thought you were pi$$ed. You could be, but I'm glad that you're not.  :)

As for Monza, maybe we could make a contest who bangs Shark more times. Even better if drives a GT, we'll be seeing him more often.  :P

 ;D

I was a little, but not with you cause are enjoyed all of our battle immensely. Rich has explained his difficulties and I'm over it now .

You wouldn't hear me complaining if we started a new Enduro season the week after next with the same excellent crowd. Its been the best yet (I know I say that every time ;) ).

Perhaps we can up it to 3 hour races.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
(Well maybe GTR2 where we'll definately get online driver changes  :laugh: ;))

This has prolly been discussed endlessly before, but could we try a team enduro race (pinching an idea from some other league  :whistling:). Teams of two, one to quali and race stint and then 2nd member joins in right order via chat room, no quali, the week after. Two stints each? Add times together to work out how much team KC wins by. I would have thought Spa 24 would be ideally suited for it.

Like I said, sure it been discussed before and rightly dismissed. However it did work quite well elsewhere (there were some problems though) and would nicely fill the gap till season 3.

Awww, Truetom, I didn't know you and Shark had that kind of relationship! :wub:

 :helpsmilie:

We can discuss that before any potential season 3 starts (be it with GTR or GTR2). I would like to also enforce mandatory pit stops in all classes and maybe a few other tweaks to the format too. Let's finish this season first though.  ;D

 :devil: :devil: :devil:

So THAT'S whan banging means!   ;D

hehehe, top drawer Pops, nice one  ;D :tt1:   NGT Team Champions and razor wit too  :P

Seems a bit cumbersum. I'd prefer 1h30min races, this will certainly force a pitstop for all cars. Would also like to see max drivers per team, I think four is plenty then there can be team A, team B ect..  also would like pre-season qualifying where one track is used, simply submit saved hotlap - it's judged for corner cutting and no excessive bottoming out. Qaulifying is accepted if within 105% of fastest time submitted. Only thing that can't be done here is check for tyre wear and fuel consumption, have to make that clear and hope everyone follows it. Discussion for another thread though. Also GTR2 out soon enough so maybe a few fun races is more on the menu, maybe some endurance events with Lemans or another addon track.

Dude no offence but 1 fast lap doesn't mean people have any idea about racing also Ive not experienced a problem with slower drivers . There are also many other flaws with such a system such as if it was a track that CJ was particularly strong at the only quailfires would be CJ, Boyd , Jon M and Kruger because I mean no offence to anyone by saying this but none of us are anywhere his pace. On 105% would give you a second maybe second and a half to get in, also hot lap pace means nothing in race trim, and I don't know if you noticed last night but it was a very poorly supported race by the GT cars and by running such a draconian system would only shrink our number of drivers!!!!!! so maybe we would be looking at a max grid size of 10 for both classes.

Oh and one more thing but I consider passing slower drivers as a integral pat of racing with out it we would have been robbed of some classic racing.

There are no kamikaze drivers in the league so why the need for pre-qualifying?  No-one's running anyone off the road either by obvious and consistent bad driving or out of anger, and the racing tends to be fine wherever you end up in the grid.

Seen as we may be moving to a 36-car server there wont be a space issue.

People get faster with every race they run, so someone may not be on the pace initially but would be better after a couple of rounds.  The 'hotlap' track used for pre-quali would suit some and not others, some people like twistier tracks like Brno and others the fast tracks like Monza, some people would have hours to spare hotlapping a good time whereas others have better things to do!

Just because someone's 3 secs off the pace it doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to race.

But that's all for next time, grats to the race/championship winners! :clap:

Don't feel the need to comment on the rest, buttah this 1 I couldn't let go!

WHAT!? ??? >:( :ban:

Better things to do than hotlapping!? WOT WHERE! :scared: :eek: :stupid: :wacko: :1eye:

 :jumpjoy:

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I hear you, all it takes though is a hotlap from any session submitted for confirmation. I don't mind viewing a few replays np.

105% is perfect. For 1m30 track that's 90 seconds, 90 x 1.05 = 94.5 seconds. That's more than acceptable.

Claus is not way out of my league or quite a handful of drivers here at SROU, nobody is so super human and can't be beaten. I've driven with Claus a couple of times and in some turn i'm plain faster but of course most turns he finds more speed. It's not that important, all that's important is good attitude and willingness to learn. I've been racing ISI engine since GTR2002 and haven't stoped since, still learning alot and have met some great drivers along the way.

Now, say for example someone set rediculous time of 2m07 at Spa, although I don't think that's possible unless no fuel or tyre wear. That's 127 seconds, 127 x 1.05 = 133.35 which is 2m13.35 .. more realistic is at most 2m08.5 which would make 2m14.9. There will be some drivers that will struggle to get there but most drivers here would be able to ge that np. If this pre-season qualifying takes place then it shows a certain amount of preparation and dedication both from SROU and the drivers. If you know anything about cars then all it takes is a couple of thirty min practice sessions and you're done. This pre-season qualifying will make it a better league, it will show to new members that not just any old Joe can join and that everyone is up to a certain standard. Also it will make those on the cusp work a little harder to find enough speed. If someone is struggling to find speed then they can ask about the car they're driving here and everyone will be more than willing to help.

It's so basic, there's deadline for submitting hotlap replay. The replay must be named as follows for example Estoril HOT LAP [Player name][Time].VCR i.e Estoril HOT LAP Rich_A 1m35.919.VCR  ...you are allowed to submit a maximum of three hotlaps. The reason for this is because the results will be updated daily and you can see if your time is within 105%. If it isn't then have to try for faster lap time.

I can make email address specially for this np. It's very straight forward and imo is habbit worth getting into! 

Dude i really dont think you are reading too well today but I also think you are slightly deluded in the fact that you think you are as fast as CJ. Point one:- hot lap pace is irrelevant to race pace just coz some one can put in on good lap doesnt mean they are inherrently a good racer, there will always be people who take the view that by setting the fastest lap they are the best but then they tend to crash alot...
Point two:- We dont have a very large active user base for GTR so imposing such a system would further alienate new members.
Point three:- putting laps on slower cars or passing a slower car that has managed to get ahead of you is a SKILL as show by the late great Ayrton Senna so removing the slower cars would take some of the fun away from racing.

The systems you talk about all the time are implemented by the likes of COMET league where the pace is ALOT faster than it is here, I know they dont do GTR anymore but maybe if you are looking for such a system then maybe you should try racing the likes of Hutu and see how far you get?

Looking at NGT qualifying times from most recent Estoril Endurance as example. Fastest time is 90.459 by Don.. multiply by 0.95 = 85.936mph. If you look at mph some drivers slower than this. If there is a pre-season 105% rule then drivers have to put in a little bit of effort. What's the saying, you only get out of something as much as you put into it.

Rich none of that addresses why it's needed?  If it aint broke dont fix it!  If there's no problem with people running off the pace there's no need for such a system surely?  There aren't enough drivers for 2 divisions so unless you plan to tell the slower guys to speed up, (which is pretty rude and against what UKGTR should be about), or go away, then you can't implement a 105% rule anyway.

Someone could be running 10% off the pace and it wouldn't bother me.



Well for starters, there's those excellent Dutch 'coffee' houses... ;) :P ;D :balloon:

Its a game people play games for fun, also people have family's and friends and "shock" maybe even a life away from their computer screens!!!

Ask him, i'm plain faster on some turns. Albeit maybe only one or two but still that's something I have enjoyed learning. And of course no one is immune from making the odd mistake unless you are a robot lol!! But believe me, I raced him, I was faster on some turns and he can be beaten as can anyone! He said he only uses crappy Logitech pedals too so i'm sure given a decent set of pedals he'd be even faster! It's pointless argument cause when the pace is that fast there's no point trying to overtake, you only slow each other down.

Hotlap is reflective of race pace. It the same as a qualifying setup i.e soft soft tyres, if you can make good time with quali setup then no doubt you know how to make good race setup.  


The exact opposite is true. It is an attractive feature of any league and seen as this is only pre-season qualifying won't take much effort. Not like it's for every event only every season.


From what i've seen in SROU, it's no fun at all trying to second guess a slower drivers next move. It's only inexperince though - this pre-qualifying shows that all drivers have a certain amount of experience and skill. I understand the frustration of an inexperienced driver but the frustration is what causes chaos and makes a league look ugly. Less frustration more effort equals better racing for all.


I'm quite happy driving here thankyou. I'm not looking to race against the best of the best, besides which I don't have the hardware to compete at that level. But soon enough I will have the hardware and I will be able to compete! That's not the point, the point is all that's needed here at SROU is pre-season qualifying and then it will be alot more attractive to the more advanced drivers and it will show the less experienced drivers that they will be racing against a full field of skilled drivers and that they must apply a little effort to even take part.

If I was a new comer to this league and this pre-season qualifying was in place I would be attracted by the fact that I have to qualify to take part. It is like anything in life, there are ladders to climb and standards to reach why is SROU any different?

My 'quote Rich button' went on strike... So I'll just use my own words...

Very, very, very happy Rich ain't running this league!

I really do appreciate the time u put into the carpack etc, but ur ideas are in my opinion so far off from what this league is about that I'm really glad u have no say in it :D

Just wanted to mention 1 thing, cba arguing about all ur 'ideas' tbh, but GTR (& GTL as well) use different cars in the same classes... Whether ur called Huttu, Dom Duhan, CJ, Rich_A or [ZiP]Tyf (feck that sounds kewl! ;)) driving a 575 will NEVAH make u as fast as driving a Saleen. Same for a Vertigo, Mosler, Morgan against a GT3/F360...

Zac posted a good 1 as well... Why? LOL!

Why did I post this? Hmmm, dunno, k, quit! :)

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I don't feel this sort of qualifying is in the spirit of the SimRacing club exactly. We pride ourselves on having a range of speeds. Remember speed and good driving are two different things. You can be very fast and be a very bad and discourteous driver (anyone heard of Mourali?) but you can also be a slower driver and be very courteous. I know which I'd rather race with and the later does not detract from the racing.

With the bigger server coming online soon we may have enough room for everyone here anyway (to be determined). We do not want to fiddle with the format very much in future seasons as what we have works well. Minor tweaks here and there maybe, but not massive changes that are likely to disgruntle a lot more than they gruntle  ;) :o :laugh:.

We can have a seperate thread on minor tweaks to the Endurance format when this season is over. There is likely to be at least a 2 week break before a new season were to kick off anyway (at minimum) as the new server is coming early May and we need to test it's potential as well as give Dave a chance to finish the GTL stuff before inundating him with more GTR work.

I really don't know what your problem is and being faster through 1 or 2 turns in 1 lap does not constitute being faster than someone! I don't see how buying a new wheel will improve your race pace by 1.5-3 seconds a lap and i find your attitude quite pathetic. You are a medium sized fish in a small pond and with your proposed changes it would get smaller all the time, now i know if i were you i would rather finish 5th out of 12 rather than last out of 5...
 Anywho Ive had enough of reading your opinion and now I'm off to send my time in a slightly more productive way......

When I say faster in one or two turns I mean consistantly faster over many laps, time after time in the same turn!! You are being quite offensive and belittling towards me, why?

Look at crappy movement in GTR controller sliders. If you have DFP then compare wheel movement on those sliders with pedals. Wheel is much more precise as are proper pedals. With decent set of pedals i'd be at least second faster!

sorry but i find your "ideas" and the way you put them forward offensive and as for belittling maybe you should think about how the people who more towards the back feel about how you talk about them!!!!! I also find that the truth hurts.

SimRacing.org.uk is founded on the ethos of UKGPL, a group of gentleman and lady racers where sportsmanship and good on-track conduct are the driving force. Driving standards are very important to us, but outright speed is not, and I will resist any attempt to introduce laptime-based prequalifying in our leagues.