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Track: Zolder '75 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg203765#post_zandvoort1975)

Cars allowed: BMW M1 Procar  Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmw_m1_procar)

Free car choice for this race.

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (30 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

Updated download is now available. Use the link in the first post. Make sure that your version is 1.7 and not 1.2 or less.

Drivers are advised to install the advanced setup mod. This will enable wing angle to be modified. Get the mod here http://www.mediafire.com/download/3hufvlu3k93egh3/Advanced_Setup.zip

Install three files (Game.dic, GTLOptions1.gtl and gtlui.mnu) into your folder called UIdata.

Mood setter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPC2JayDCf4

Nice. good to have some nice footage before the weekend kicks in.  8)

Spent a little free time at Zolder yesterday and have the "moving wall of trees" in the background.  Someone last season had a problem with this  someplace but can't remember the cure.  Any ideas?  I messed with the setting's a little but no luck.  Can live with if I have to but just a little distracting.

Thanks
Bob M.

I'm getting this too. Tried various things but no luck so far. I have asked at another site if anyone there knows a fix.

It appears to be a problem within the track itself which cannot be fixed by changing anything within GTL.

Thanks Tony

I too tried to change options to no avail.  Also looked all over the various site's for a fix and could find nothing.  Will just learn to live with it.  Not a major problem.......

Bob M.

I could get in touch with the track author but there is no chance it would be ready in time so I think I'll keep it as is.

Just to get the ball rolling............1:40 ish in angry race trim  :tank:

Just wondering if there is a patch for windows 7 for the starforce code??

There is a fix but I've never used it. Others here may have more info? You can go to steam and enter your online code and get a free digital download that works on Windows 7, 8 & 10.

Thanks..

Hi Tony just for clarification for me are we using just the M1 Procar or also the M1 GR4 and M1 GTO?

Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rVkY8oA3RlE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rVkY8oA3RlE)

Anyone you like Roger. Next race in this series will see handicapping (of sorts).

Heyho. Got a problem connecting to servers. Is there a change in lobby adress of some sort?

Yep, see if this works for you https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13595.msg244611#msg244611

Oke thanks Tony. Will it be sufficient to edit these parameters in the Local IP Lobby txt then?

Yep, that should do it

I was allowed some play time last night so thought I would try the Procars around Zolder as they are a bit modern and unfamiliar to me.

Tony was kind enough to post a target lap time, so I thought I would try and get myself up to that sort of speed. Well....... after about 10 laps of messing up and running wide at various corners, getting the braking point too early or ( usually) far too late I completed a flying lap and posted a 1:48 lap??!!

Apparently 8 secs off the pace that Tony has set?? I was definitely not maxed out and there was time to be gained, but 8 seconds??!!! After several more laps I squeezed down to 1:46, but I was riding kerbs and risking everything on the brakes??!!
How the heck was Tony getting down to 1:40????

Then I had a brainwave and made one critical change. the next flying lap I clocked a 1:39!!!  ;D

I loaded the correct version of Zolder without the tight chicanes!!

 :oops: :lol: :thumbup2:

Sure it's the right version? There is one chicane................

Just watched this with headphones on, great sound

Yep! :rockon:

Hi Tony .... like Evil i can only do about 1.46 but with the cut got 1.40 is this going to be legal?

What cut  ???

If you read Evils post CLOSELY  :eek: you will see he was on the wrong version of Zolder

Roger,
It sounds like you made the same error that I did and jumped on the "Zolder" circuit that is in the default GTL circuits folder right at the bottom of the list.

You need to download the circuit in the link in the race announcement and then be sure to click on the new download   1975 Zolder This will appear before the "A"s on the circuit list. "75 Zolder" or something like that.
It does have one chicane, but even that is a little less vicious than the default circuit. Trust me, it makes a difference  ::)

Thanks for reply Clive, yes my bad was using Zolder bottom of track list, never thought to look elsewhere. 

I'm practicing offline at the moment and notice I can only set a max of 15 laps. Is this ok, or am I overlooking something obvious? I'm racing on the 75 Zolder from the above download ???

That's fine. You can edit one of the track files to increase the lap no's but if you forget to set it back to 15 you will get online miss match messages.

Ah, could that be why there are some who always seems to generate mismatch messages ?  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

I won’t be able to make the race this evening. I had other commitments for today so did not bother to download the car set this week.

My plans have now been cancelled but I still will not be able to practice until just before the race. Previous experience has shown me that it is not a good idea to race without practice, it takes me some time to learn a car and a track.

I hope all enjoy their race and I look forward to the Muscle Cars and the Mini v Skoda races.

I will probably spend a bit of time this evening practicing bouncing  off barriers at Monaco in a 67 F1 car.  :eek:  :oops:

That's an event that is going to absorb all of my practice time too!

At first I thought that once a month would leave me at a loose end but nope!  Plenty of things to hit and I'm not even sure that I will have time to hit them with all of the cars!

It's a very simple track to learn and you can always race us ne'er-do-wells at the rear

Thanks for putting my mind at rest, Tony. I''ll avoid amending files in case I do forget to change them back, or change the wrong one. I'll do my usual of filling up with 30 lapsworth though, plus a bit extra to avoid doing a Clive (Evil)  ;)

80 litres of go juice should get you to the finish line (barring any excursions)

Not home in time tonight. You lot have fun though.

I think the only sight I would have of you Tony would be on Lap1 as you disappear into the distance.  ;D

Hey Guys I'm having a bizarre problem, once ccstevecc joined the practice session GTL freezed and I had to restart the game, and when I'm joining the track it starts to load the drivers and when it  comes to ccstevecc the game crashes

did it happen before with anyone ?

Its impossible for me to join the track


any clues ???

I guess I'm gonna miss the race tonight !!!  :censored:


I'm not being able to join the track !!!! it's crashing !!!!

Same here - had a CTD when leaving the track and cannot rejoin.

Trace says "Error loading mesh file PROCAR_M1_WHEEL_LF_B_STYLE4.GMT to memory"

Game crashes whenever I come to ccstevecc's car during the join process. Doesn't matter which car I choose.
Which car does/did he drive?

Looks like this will be another miss for me - this year is beginning really promising  :(

I guess we both have the same problem, I was in the pits when he joined the track, I dunno which car he's driving, I tried several cars and the result is the same !!!

I hope we can sort it out for next race !!!!

So some offline racing or maybe the P&G public servier is online.

CU next time.

Have a good eve, I'm gonna watch some DVD for tonight !!!

Hope to c u on the track next week

Cheers

Same for me.  When he joined I crashed to Desktop, when I try to load as soon as I see his name it crashes.  Did a CP restart and same thing,  weird!!

Bob M.

Was having some brill racing with Tony then he dropped back, half a lap on xd went potty showed Tony ahead? then i was discoed from race with some weird gobbledygook top of screen?

Hope the rest of you had a good race. :(

I'm sorry you guys had trouble with me. I chose the black pro car number 41. There was no sign here of any issues. Obviously difficult to communicate when this happens, but I wonder if it would have helped if I had changed my car. I was the only one driving number 41, but it was loaded straight from Tony's download.

Good race, got a wheel up the inside and spun in T1 giving someone room, then whacked Bill up the bum when he lifted
unexpectedly, got going and played catch up for a while, had Clive in sight towards the end, but tyres were too shot
to do any heroics, and understeered off at T1 on the last lap. I had no prob with any other cars joining. One thing
that I do have on this system ( not the one with all the cd key issues) is that all the cars are black. So I chose
a black one anyway  ;D

Wahooo!! finished the race carrying about a zillion gallons of spare fuel........but I made goddam sure sure this time buddy!!!  ;)

I was watching Matt and the gap, which was actually counter productive, because every time I concentrated on where he was I missed a braking point and ran wide!! So I just focused on keeping it smooth for the last 10 laps and being gentle on the tyres and only allowed myself a glance at the gap as I crossed the S/F line.

Made a bit of a mess of the start, although Ziu had an even worse one, and I ended up in 3rd having been jumped by Erling !! Oh the shame of being passed off the grid by Erling of all people!!! :'( :'( 

Ati was his usual alien self and set a cracking pace out front. Erling was quick and I was just about holding on to him and keeping Geoffers at bay.
I cannot get the feel of the brakes in these cars and I struggle at every heavy braking zone to keep the car a) straight and b) actually anywhere near the apex!!
So pushing too hard to catch Erling was not a good idea and I lost it under braking allowing him to escape. Then I tried too hard to make up the ground and let Ziu through... and the red mist blinded me for yet another mistake and Maipor sailed past. Maybe I had better get my act together and drive like I intend to finish the race? I thought.

Still not sure about these cars with loads of grip and dodgy brakes...well they were on my car!! lol

Grats to the podium and all those who finished and thanks to Tony for organising...off to hunt down some F1 cars... :detective:

Replay and results now posted

@ Evil one - I had my brake balance at 58F 42R and that seemed fine for hard braking. It's going fast I have trouble with  ::)

With regards to Steve's chosen car (No.41 Black Procar). Steve also ran this car at the Christmas special at Fuji, but none of tonight's affected drivers were present at that one.

There was a patch released to fix a wheel problem when drivers ran using less than high graphics (CTD fix - happens when in medium display settings, lod b files of wheels #4 are missing), but it is my understanding that our install included this fix.

Can the affected drivers please let me know what graphics setting they used when joining tonight's race?

Hey Steve, stuff happens, not on you, just a quirk I guess........Got a bad cold so not racing was no big deal.

Did a little detective work.  #1 The Replay crashes as the track is being loaded.  #2  I then downloaded the car pack again and over wrote, no help still crashes  #3  I drove the Blue #41 and no problems, but when I tried the Black #41, game crashes. Don't understand why??  Other guys who it effected might try the Black 41 and see if that will solve the problem if we boot it out of the field.....

Bob M.

What graphics setting are you using? e.g. low. medium, high or full?

My video settings:

Detail--custom
Player veh.--High
Other Veh--High
Circuit--Full
Spec Effects--med
Shadows--Off
Draw--Very Far
Headlights--Low

Good Luck
Bob M.

Usually my graphics settings are at full, but will check them once home tonight !!!!

I'll check this tonight (possibly my bad - maybe I still have the "old" version without the fix installed).

Was no big problem for me as I really don't like the Zolder track. My pb was 1:40.7 in a M1 Gr. 4 - far from "alien" pace as usual. So don't worry Steve.

I'll post info tonight together with the results.

 :)

 :lol:  Well, I'll admit to having a bit of a giggle as I roared past you...  ;D

Quite liked the track, once I had spotted the hard to see brake markers - those before the chicane tended to disappear in the background clutter in my early practice. Mentally confusing this track with Zandvoort doesn't help either; on my first outing, I was desperately looking for something - anything - I could recognize..  ::)

Was 1-2 tenths off my pb in qual.  Could have gotten ahead of Clive if I had matched it, but jumping him was much more fun!  ;D   Do believe I was 5th on the grid originally, but someone must have dropped out just before the start, advancing me to 4th.

Ended up 2nd after the start. Couldn't match Ati's pace of course, so he disappeared quickly.  Behind me, I had Clive in my mirrors over the early laps.  Drove as fast as I could, which seemed to hold, or maybe stretch the gap a little.  Then suddenly he vanished from view. Probably meant he had gone off.  Not good at all, as I depended on him holding Ziu at bay.  Unless of course the two gents had taken each other out - that would be excellent on the other hand  ;D

Alas, my 5-sec gap soon started to dwindle, and Ziu's white car showed up in my mirrors.  Still took him quite a few laps to reel me completely in.  Once he did, he quickly squeezed past at T1.  Gave chase as hard as I could, and later that lap, we came upon Roger's stationary car, in the process of a CTD.  I barely avoided it, and it looked like Ziu steered clear too. However, just after this, his car started putting down a heavy smoke screen. I wondered if he hit Roger after all.  On the following lap, Ziu ground to a halt, as his engine gave in, and I sailed into 2nd again.

His message about exploding engine made me check my own engine health. It was at 48%. Was much higher at the start. Had (mis)read it as 83%, but was more likely 63%. Watched it over the remaining race, where it would drop roughly 1% each lap.  Really need to watch it with these cars - or resist revving them as hard as they are tempting you to do.

After Ziu's exit, I had a fair gap down to 3rd, so if I could maintain a decent pace and avoid major screw-ups, 2nd should be in the bag.  That's how the remainder of the race panned out. Lonely, except for a few cars lapped.

Grats to Ati & Marc for the other podiums.  Commiserations to those that couldn't join;  hope the problems can be solved before the next race.  The usual thanks to Tony for organising.

Do love these cars; the outside howl they make in the replays is just spine tingling  :)

Clive: With regards to braking, I often find in GTL, that a light touch on the brake pedal is what gives me the most efficient braking - nonwithstanding that my pedal is calibrated and activation seems linear.

Cheers,
Erling

Hi my disco nothing to do with GTL, my internet went down and is still intermittent at moment hope it gets fixed soon.

Grats to Ati7 on win

Grats to Podium

My brake balance was just about the mirror of yours Tony, 45F 55R. Which allows me to rotate the car into a corner whilst still on the anchors. I think Erling is right about a featherlight foot on the brakes, my best laps certainly seemed to result from careful use of the brake pedal...need some more track time and testing/training of my left foot I think.

Interesting that Erling also noticed the fragile engine issue. After my first spin I glanced at the health indicator and was stunned to see that it had dropped from an initial 93% ( which I had checked  on the grid) to around 80% in only a few laps  :o Usually I finish a race in GTL having only lost about 2-3%.

I monitored the damage over the next few laps and worked out where it was happening. My training in GPL means that I instinctively lift for gearchanges, despite being advised to keep my right foot planted in GTL. But It seemed to me last night that premature downshifts ( i.e. using the engine for braking effect) was doing the damage. Once I delayed my downshifts and ensured that the revs did not hit maximum the decline in engine health stabilised. It took me a while to settle into the new driving pattern and regain some race pace, but gradually I adapted and kept things going.

Ati was stunningly quick and consistant up front and Erling was his usual reliable self.
I think it is the downforce and grip of these cars that I am struggling with. I know/feel that there is time to be gained, but just cannot get my driving/setup combination into the zone where it all works together. But I guess that is the joy of sim racing??

Good racing while it lasted Roger. I thought you had discoed as I drove straight threw your car  :o

Could be unrelated, but I was unable to join the Christmas race because I got dumped on loading first ATi, then Steve's cars
Ati Changed his car for me to join, but it was too late to ask Steve and I missed the race.

Last night I was in a black Gr4 car 83, and I saw no issues with others joining, though in all GTL events on that machine
now all the cars are always black, even in replays? any clues?


Erling: If you like the sound of them here, you should try them in R3E... just saying  ::)

I wonder if Ati remembers what his first car choice at Fuji was?

I do believe you need to watch the revs under acceleration too.  I'm quite sure I didn't tend to overrev it on the downshifts, as it often makes me spin. I did however flog it pretty hard when going up through the gears, so think that's where my damage occured.

Cheers,
Erling

Problem solved--I think!!!!!!!!!!

Did as you said and turned all video setting to full.  Can now drive the black #41 and the replay works also........Went back and turned the shadows down the way I like them and it still  works fine.    I have a ATI video card, maybe that is the problem, it's about 5-6 years old.

Thanks
Bob M.

That is something I had a long long time ago with the Ferrari 250 GTO add-on. Unfortunately I'm blowed if I can remember what the cause was & googling it didn't come up with any answers. Have you tried different DX settings?

Race to forget for me, never really got the car to handle to my liking. The setup I had for Fuji was no good here as the corners were much slower & I had way too much lift-off oversteer. I got that sorted but like Clive I could not get the car to turn with the brakes on, although I didn't quite go as extreme on the brake setup as Clive did. Anyway I crashed early on & killed the engine so went & watched 'Rush' on Film4.

Congrats to the podium, cya at Sebring.

Good race good track good car.Grats Erling Marc and all.Fuji bad car; Black BMW Procar 41 race number  ;)

Thanks for the info Ati

First of all:

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_aFYxbko2ZTZINDg?ltmpl/index.html)

 8)

Concerning the CTD's I did some investigations:

There are three M1 Procar included in the mod (5PR, 082PR and the black 041PR) which use the wheel style 4 (first digit in the genstring).
I get CTD's with all three of them (trace file says: Error loading mesh file PROCAR_M1_WHEEL_LF_B_STYLE4.GMT to memory) as definitely
the file WHEEL_LF_B_STYLE4.GMT and also the files WHEEL_LR_B_STYLE4.GMT, WHEEL_RF_B_STYLE4.GMT and WHEEL_RR_B_STYLE4.GMT
are missing in the PROCAR_M1_WHEELS.GTL file.

So everyone who uses one of the three a.m. cars should get a CTD because some needed files are not available and it looks like a miracle that
Steve and Ati are able to use one of these cars without getting a CTD (downloaded and installed the complete mod again tonight and found
that my earlier installed version was the correct one).

Should that really be a bug in the mod and we are the first to detect it?

My video settings:

Detail--High
Player veh.--High
Other Veh--High
Circuit--Full
Spec Effects--med
Shadows--Medium


Does anybody have an idea ?  ???


edit: I'll contact papag21 concerning this matter  :)

Kurt:
Go to Full on them instead if high.  Worked for me.  Put the shadows to my normal low, that doesn't seem to matter..  Try it!!!!!! 

Bob m.

My video settings:

Detail--custom
Player veh.--High
Other Veh--High
Circuit--Full
Spec Effects--High
Shadows--High
Draw-- Far
Headlights--Very

Sorry guys but I couldn't arrive at home in time. Damn job  >:(

I hope see you in the next race.

Cheers!

Kurt, looking through the car showroom I would say that there are eight cars with the problem wheel. I think we should install the wheel patch as I think this will fix it. Let me know if you get a response from papag21. Comparing the patch file with the one on our server, the files are different sizes so perhaps the wheel fix didn't make it to our install?

Indeed it works - but for me it is completely not understandable  ??? I'm not at all a modder and/or skinner but I had a different understanding of matters.
It would mean that with a change of graphics to maximum you can possibly override a faulty "file structure".
Anyway thanks for help guys.  :)

@ Tony: no, there are only three cars with wheel style 4 but there is another wheel style very similar (I'm not at home, so I cannot check)

I think I'll go ahead and implement the wheel fix patch  :(

Kurt, maybe the explanation is that the game uses different files depending on the selected level of detail, and only 'Full' is working.  I work as a Systems Developer (Programmer) myself, and I can assure you it wouldn't be the first time in the history of software, that only one variant was tested, and the other ones assumed to be working too...  ;)

Would like to stress that I'm just guessing though  :)

Cheers,
Erling

Just found the patch at NG - I think that's the solution (explained in papag21's description) but it seems that this patch was not included in v1.1 of the M1 mod (I'll check tonight)

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42421 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=42421)

Looks that my view of the world is correct again  ;D

 ::) 8)

@ Erling - thanks for the explanation  :)


BTW: graphics on full look horrible with an 8 years old Nvidia 9600GT  :P

Either use the Nogrip link above or this'n http://www.mediafire.com/download/15g2qvay9m3fnb9/PROCAR_M1_WHEELS.GTL

And overwrite the original file found In GameData/Teams/GTC-TC-76/BMW M1 Procar

Installed the patch as directed and now it does not crash with the black 41 no matter what I use for video levels.  Thanks a lot!!!!

Bob M.

Works like a charms - thanks Tony!  :D