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Title: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 22, 2015, 03:54:05 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=493&theme=5)

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Track: Zeltweg (Osterreichring '79) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_osring79)

Cars allowed: BMW M1 Procar  Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmw_m1_procar), Required wheel fix Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/15g2qvay9m3fnb9/PROCAR_M1_WHEELS.GTL) and overwrite the original file found at GameData/Teams/GTC-TC-76/BMW M1 Procar.

Car choice restrictions: Championship Positions (CP) 1 to 5 - Procar, CP 6 to 10 - Procar or Gr.4., CP 11 and above, and new drivers - Free choice.

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (28 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
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No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 23, 2015, 02:08:20 PM +0000
Drivers are advised to install the advanced setup mod. This will enable wing angle to be modified. Get the mod here http://www.mediafire.com/download/3hufvlu3k93egh3/Advanced_Setup.zip

Install three files (Game.dic, GTLOptions1.gtl and gtlui.mnu) into your folder called UIdata.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: SpecialKS on August 09, 2016, 07:21:46 PM +0100
Not sure whether I can make this one. Won (!) a weekend ticket for the Oldtimer GrandPrix at the Nuerburgring next weekend ;D
and possibly will return from a prolonged weekend not before Monday evening.

Will be a challenge as I'm bothered by massive back and sciatic pain for about 8 weeks now  :( but I hope having finally started with the right therapy.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 11, 2016, 08:30:41 AM +0100
Not sure whether I can make this one. Won (!) a weekend ticket for the Oldtimer GrandPrix at the Nuerburgring next weekend ;D
and possibly will return from a prolonged weekend not before Monday evening.

Will be a challenge as I'm bothered by massive back and sciatic pain for about 8 weeks now  :( but I hope having finally started with the right therapy.

Grats on winning the tickets Kurt  :)  I visited the Oldtimer GrandPrix many many years ago, and it was an absolute blast for a car nut like me  :)

Sorry to hear about your back; hope you'll get better soon.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 12, 2016, 12:05:31 AM +0100
Hmmm, whoever put a blind entry, high-curb chicane at the crest of a hill, after a terminal velocity straight, must have been a sadist, or at least had a very twisted sense of humor...  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Geoffers on August 12, 2016, 12:36:13 PM +0100
Hmmm, whoever put a blind entry, high-curb chicane at the crest of a hill, after a terminal velocity straight, must have been a sadist, or at least had a very twisted sense of humor...  ;)

Oh its that version of the track. I don't think I have ever finished a race on this one, always end up getting launched off the kerbs into the barriers!  :o


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 12, 2016, 02:16:34 PM +0100
Hmmm, whoever put a blind entry, high-curb chicane at the crest of a hill, after a terminal velocity straight, must have been a sadist, or at least had a very twisted sense of humor...  ;)

Oh its that version of the track. I don't think I have ever finished a race on this one, always end up getting launched off the kerbs into the barriers!  :o

Ah of course - the lap records at the top is from the version without this chicane.  Was looking at them with a sinking feeling, compared to what I've been able to do in my practice so far  :D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: EvilClive on August 15, 2016, 01:30:31 PM +0100
This does not sound very promising.
Posts about car killing kerbs, and tails of difficult tracks in cars that I have never felt comfortable with, do not inspire me with confidence.

I was away for a friends birthday party over the weekend, which is when I would normally d/load and at least do a few laps to learn the track...this has not happened yet. No download or laps.

On the way to the birthday on Friday, I must have had a "dodgy" sandwich which did nothing good for my digestive system. Still suffering, so I consider myself a doubtful for tonight's race, or at best a back row starter.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 15, 2016, 02:45:44 PM +0100
This does not sound very promising.
Posts about car killing kerbs, and tails of difficult tracks in cars that I have never felt comfortable with, do not inspire me with confidence.

I was away for a friends birthday party over the weekend, which is when I would normally d/load and at least do a few laps to learn the track...this has not happened yet. No download or laps.

On the way to the birthday on Friday, I must have had a "dodgy" sandwich which did nothing good for my digestive system. Still suffering, so I consider myself a doubtful for tonight's race, or at best a back row starter.


Hope your stomach is feeling better tonight Clive.  On the track, you just have to get your braking at the end of the start/finish straight done in time; then you can tiptoe through the chicane - it's when cresting the hill while still braking, realising you have to turn in NOW, that tends to make things messy..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Geoffers on August 15, 2016, 04:18:12 PM +0100
Having tried a few laps last night, I can confirm what Erling has said. If you attack the chicane it will bite you, don't try risking it on the brakes & take it easy & you will be fine. Rest of the track is pretty straightforward although a little bumpy in places which can unsettle the car a little. Being smooth is the key here, attacking the course usually means a slower laptime.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 15, 2016, 05:24:34 PM +0100
attacking the course usually means a slower laptime.

And what sort of laptime might that be ?  ;D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on August 15, 2016, 06:28:06 PM +0100
attacking the course usually means a slower laptime.

And what sort of laptime might that be ?  ;D

Cheers,
Erling

The right laptime for get pole and win  (http://www.vocinelweb.it/faccine/biggrin/22.gif)



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Geoffers on August 15, 2016, 09:23:22 PM +0100
Yep, kerbs got me!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on August 15, 2016, 09:35:28 PM +0100
No possible drive with one arm just after 5 laps !!!!!!!!!!!!!  I m very sad and frustrated I can t goo head so with this arm !!!!!!!!!!! Sorry !!!

Grats Erling !


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 15, 2016, 09:46:20 PM +0100
No possible drive with one arm just after 5 laps !!!!!!!!!!!!!  I m very sad and frustrated I can t goo head so with this arm !!!!!!!!!!! Sorry !!!

Grats Erling !


Thanks Ziu, but very sorry to hear it was your arm that gave you trouble again  :(



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Jeep on August 16, 2016, 12:42:40 AM +0100
Well, 2nd!! How the hell did that happen. I know the answer of course, Ziu had reoccurring problems with his arm. (Really sorry to hear that Ziu, I really hope you can get something sorted). Geoffers was caught out by the kerbs and I would like to think I pressured Clive into an uncharacteristic error (But he probably just over cooked it).

I really enjoyed my 1st foray in these beasties, I find them a little to point and shoot for my brain which has trouble keeping up with them. I didn't actually expect to manage to make any of the Procar races and didn't even turn a wheel until the weekend so was really surprised to better my PB by over 2 seconds during Q and find myself so high up the grid in 4th.

Got a blistering start but had to get out of the throttle just as quickly as Erling I think was a bit slow out of the blocks. This allowed Clive to sneak through to 4th, Matt also tried his arm but I hung onto 5th as we hurtled down to that stupid chicane, Settled into the race and just about stayed with Clive and actually kept all the front runners in sight while the tyres came up to temp. Actually felt very comfortable. I had gone for a very soft, high clearance set up with a docile coast side to the diff. This seemed to allow me to catch any wayward rear end antics under braking and and was a bit more forgiving if I caught 1 of the kerbs which seemed quite fierce here. After a few laps this gave me plenty of confidence as I set about harassing Clive. Over the 1st 10 or so laps he extended to around 2 seconds a few times but generally I was close to or within a second and trying to make myself large in his mirrors and forcing him into a mistake I could capitalise on. Eventually some time around lap 10-12 I got my chance as he spun in the long left hander after the Bosch Curve and I was through. I fully expected him to eat into any advantage I might have gained but I saw the gap slowly reduce only to increase by a few seconds as presumably he tried just that bit too hard to recover his momentum.

The rest of the race was quite lonely as I watched Clive drop further behind and Ziu and Erling extend there advantage each lap. Came around to lap Bill on about lap 20? Bill, you are far too polite, no need to point it at the scenery simply lifting would have been sufficient. I was quite happy to wait until a suitable moment before pulling past.

Congrats to Erling and Clive for the other podium places and to everyone who finished.

Really enjoyed it as usual and even managed to keep it clean tonight and not take anyone out (That I'm aware of) with my usual 1st lap ineptitude.

TTFN
John.

A few screenies of the Jeep, Clive tussle well into the race probably around lap 9-11

(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t660/Fokkit/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-29-39-42_zpszp6cuny2.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/Fokkit/media/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-29-39-42_zpszp6cuny2.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t660/Fokkit/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-32-17-15_zpsxxs32ptd.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/Fokkit/media/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-32-17-15_zpsxxs32ptd.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t660/Fokkit/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-31-25-95_zpsuny9r7ze.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/Fokkit/media/GTL%202016-08-15%2022-31-25-95_zpsuny9r7ze.jpg.html)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Erling G-P on August 16, 2016, 09:43:02 AM +0100
Yesterday's race was a tough one for me. Can't complain about the end result, but it was not the way I wanted it to happen.

In offline praccy, a fast lap for me was a low 1:50. Only once did I dip into the 1:49s, so pleased with a new pb in qual.  As John says, he got quicker off the block than me, but I did seem to have good traction, once I got going. That and the fact that 2nd on the grid actually had the better line into the chicane, helped me snatch the lead  :o

Held it for a few laps, until Ziu muscled through at the double lefthander.  Brief contact slowed me and Geoffers got real close. He shadowed me for little over a lap, before he suddenly vanished at the chicane. I expected the 'Kerbs from Hell' had ambushed him.  Thus I could concentrate on chasing Ziu.  Couldn't tell if we were racing for real, of if he was just playing with me, controlling the gap at will.  At times it seemed like he could just speed up and increase the gap, but then, would he let me get as close as I did several times ?

This went on for many laps, until lap 17 I think, when Ziu's driving became more erratic. Puzzled me to see him on the brink of losing control down the start/finish straight. He then overshot at the chicane, which allowed me to slip into the lead again.  Held it for a few laps, until Ziu retook it with a successful move at the end of the back straight.  Chased him again for several more laps and with a bit of slipstreaming I got ahead before the chicane. I bounced over the kerbs, lost momentum and was hit by Ziu, sending me up against the armco.  In most gentlemanly fashion he waited and let me past - truly more than called for, as it was partially my own fault we touched.  Again held the lead for a couple of laps, until Ziu made it past in the same place as before.

As the final lap started, we were side by side down the straight and having a brake duel before the chicane.  Ziu won - or lost depending on view, as he overshot into the gravel. He got off light though, emerging ahead of me, but then he slowed and next disappeared, leaving the victory to me.  Want to win of course, but not in that way. Would much rather have finished 2nd and seen Ziu make the finish  :(    If he had just made a mistake, I would happily profit from it, as it's all part of the game, but kicking an injured man just seems wrong.  Ziu, hope your arm can get sufficiently better for you to race with us as before.

Grats to John & Clive for the other podiums, and commiserations to Ziu of course, and to those that became kerb victims.

Apologies to Bill for not flashing a 'thank you' when he let me past; it took all my concentration to brake and enter the corner, so wouldn't risk fumbling for the light button.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: phspok on August 16, 2016, 09:45:48 AM +0100
Was late getting home, had to D/L the track, and do a very quick setup, which didn't work well
spun a couple of times, and was getting frustrated with it so went off and did some work  :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: BillThomas on August 16, 2016, 11:56:12 AM +0100
Well, 2nd!! How the hell did that happen. I know the answer of course, Ziu had reoccurring problems with his arm. (Really sorry to hear that Ziu, I really hope you can get something sorted). Geoffers was caught out by the kerbs and I would like to think I pressured Clive into an uncharacteristic error (But he probably just over cooked it).

I really enjoyed my 1st foray in these beasties, I find them a little to point and shoot for my brain which has trouble keeping up with them. I didn't actually expect to manage to make any of the Procar races and didn't even turn a wheel until the weekend so was really surprised to better my PB by over 2 seconds during Q and find myself so high up the grid in 4th.

Got a blistering start but had to get out of the throttle just as quickly as Erling I think was a bit slow out of the blocks. This allowed Clive to sneak through to 4th, Matt also tried his arm but I hung onto 5th as we hurtled down to that stupid chicane, Settled into the race and just about stayed with Clive and actually kept all the front runners in sight while the tyres came up to temp. Actually felt very comfortable. I had gone for a very soft, high clearance set up with a docile coast side to the diff. This seemed to allow me to catch any wayward rear end antics under braking and and was a bit more forgiving if I caught 1 of the kerbs which seemed quite fierce here. After a few laps this gave me plenty of confidence as I set about harassing Clive. Over the 1st 10 or so laps he extended to around 2 seconds a few times but generally I was close to or within a second and trying to make myself large in his mirrors and forcing him into a mistake I could capitalise on. Eventually some time around lap 10-12 I got my chance as he spun in the long left hander after the Bosch Curve and I was through. I fully expected him to eat into any advantage I might have gained but I saw the gap slowly reduce only to increase by a few seconds as presumably he tried just that bit too hard to recover his momentum.

The rest of the race was quite lonely as I watched Clive drop further behind and Ziu and Erling extend there advantage each lap. Came around to lap Bill on about lap 20? Bill, you are far too polite, no need to point it at the scenery simply lifting would have been sufficient. I was quite happy to wait until a suitable moment before pulling past.

Congrats to Erling and Clive for the other podium places and to everyone who finished.

Really enjoyed it as usual and even managed to keep it clean tonight and not take anyone out (That I'm aware of) with my usual 1st lap ineptitude.

TTFN
John.


It wasn't a deliberate trip into the scenery, just poor driving.  ::) When I'm last with no hope of passing anybody I like to get out of the way in case you're battling with someone and me baulking you makes you lose a hard fought for place. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 16, 2016, 12:48:12 PM +0100
Always love driving this circuit although it's spoilt by that darn chicane at Hella-Licht. The remainder of the circuit has nice sweeping turns that challenge you to take as near flat out as possible. First lap I was alongside Bill as we approached Bosche-Kurve. Throttled back to allow him through first but he lost it in the turn and clouted the RH barrier. I was right behind him and simply could not predict where his car was going next. Consequence was I clouted him full on, sorry Bill simply could not of avoided you. Went on to reel in Matt catching him this time at B-K where he was having a spin. I span in sympathy but I did a better 180 degree turn and hence was now facing the wrong way with no idea when Bill might be approaching. Did a quick recovery spin and set of but now I was hopelessly far behind the pack. After Matt and then Geoffers quit out I was trailing Bob by about 25 secs. No matter how fast I went the gap pretty much remained constant. So spent many, many laps trying to reel him in. With about four laps to go XD told me that things were amiss in Iowa as the gap dropped dramatically. Then spent the remaining laps concentrating hard on getting him within passing distance. Could only get the gap down to about 4.5 secs before we both reached the finish flag. Most enjoyable but sorry to learn that Ziu was suffering. Hope the arm is better today mate.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: EvilClive on August 16, 2016, 06:14:38 PM +0100
Grats to Erling and Jeep, but huge commiserations to Ziu. May I add my wishes for an early recovery.

My 3rd place on the podium was only because other drivers dropped out. I sort of knew the circuit from GPL


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 16, 2016, 06:46:36 PM +0100
Nice screenshots John  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: BillThomas on August 16, 2016, 08:18:22 PM +0100
Yesterday's race was a tough one for me. Can't complain about the end result, but it was not the way I wanted it to happen.

In offline praccy, a fast lap for me was a low 1:50. Only once did I dip into the 1:49s, so pleased with a new pb in qual.  As John says, he got quicker off the block than me, but I did seem to have good traction, once I got going. That and the fact that 2nd on the grid actually had the better line into the chicane, helped me snatch the lead  :o

Held it for a few laps, until Ziu muscled through at the double lefthander.  Brief contact slowed me and Geoffers got real close. He shadowed me for little over a lap, before he suddenly vanished at the chicane. I expected the 'Kerbs from Hell' had ambushed him.  Thus I could concentrate on chasing Ziu.  Couldn't tell if we were racing for real, of if he was just playing with me, controlling the gap at will.  At times it seemed like he could just speed up and increase the gap, but then, would he let me get as close as I did several times ?

This went on for many laps, until lap 17 I think, when Ziu's driving became more erratic. Puzzled me to see him on the brink of losing control down the start/finish straight. He then overshot at the chicane, which allowed me to slip into the lead again.  Held it for a few laps, until Ziu retook it with a successful move at the end of the back straight.  Chased him again for several more laps and with a bit of slipstreaming I got ahead before the chicane. I bounced over the kerbs, lost momentum and was hit by Ziu, sending me up against the armco.  In most gentlemanly fashion he waited and let me past - truly more than called for, as it was partially my own fault we touched.  Again held the lead for a couple of laps, until Ziu made it past in the same place as before.

As the final lap started, we were side by side down the straight and having a brake duel before the chicane.  Ziu won - or lost depending on view, as he overshot into the gravel. He got off light though, emerging ahead of me, but then he slowed and next disappeared, leaving the victory to me.  Want to win of course, but not in that way. Would much rather have finished 2nd and seen Ziu make the finish  :(    If he had just made a mistake, I would happily profit from it, as it's all part of the game, but kicking an injured man just seems wrong.  Ziu, hope your arm can get sufficiently better for you to race with us as before.

Grats to John & Clive for the other podiums, and commiserations to Ziu of course, and to those that became kerb victims.

Apologies to Bill for not flashing a 'thank you' when he let me past; it took all my concentration to brake and enter the corner, so wouldn't risk fumbling for the light button.

Cheers,
Erling

Sorry Erling, I tried to answer this earlier today but looks like I screwed up.  With you battling so close with Ziu and being so close to the corner I didn't expect an head light flash of thanks.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: BillThomas on August 16, 2016, 08:26:36 PM +0100
Always love driving this circuit although it's spoilt by that darn chicane at Hella-Licht. The remainder of the circuit has nice sweeping turns that challenge you to take as near flat out as possible. First lap I was alongside Bill as we approached Bosche-Kurve. Throttled back to allow him through first but he lost it in the turn and clouted the RH barrier. I was right behind him and simply could not predict where his car was going next. Consequence was I clouted him full on, sorry Bill simply could not of avoided you. Went on to reel in Matt catching him this time at B-K where he was having a spin. I span in sympathy but I did a better 180 degree turn and hence was now facing the wrong way with no idea when Bill might be approaching. Did a quick recovery spin and set of but now I was hopelessly far behind the pack. After Matt and then Geoffers quit out I was trailing Bob by about 25 secs. No matter how fast I went the gap pretty much remained constant. So spent many, many laps trying to reel him in. With about four laps to go XD told me that things were amiss in Iowa as the gap dropped dramatically. Then spent the remaining laps concentrating hard on getting him within passing distance. Could only get the gap down to about 4.5 secs before we both reached the finish flag. Most enjoyable but sorry to learn that Ziu was suffering. Hope the arm is better today mate.

Don't worry about clouting me, when you loose it with a mid engine car anything could happen  ::) - just glad I didn't wreck your car.

Had new PBs in qualifying and more in the race, a few laps before the end I put up my fast lap here with these cars.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 1979 Procar - Zeltweg - Aug 15
Post by: SpecialKS on August 17, 2016, 06:39:20 PM +0100
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