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Cars allowed: Pelle B's Mini Carset Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/eb71h2b84huc5cz/Org_GTL_DK_Cooper_S_8Pack_v12.zip), Skoda 130RS Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_skoda_130rs), Abarth 1000TC

Pelle has provided his Mini car setup here (http://www.mediafire.com/download/m5ryedecvcg9fpb/Pelle_B%27s_Mini_setup.zip)

Race 1 car choice restrictions

Championship Positions 1 - 3, Abarth 1000TC.

Championship Positions 4 - 10, Abarth 1000TC or Skoda 130RS

Championship Positions 11 - 19 (and first timers), Free choice.

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins)
Race 1: 20:30 (15 laps)

Race 2 No car choice restrictions

Practice (Car change if wanted): ~20:50 (10 mins)
Qualifying: ~21:00 (10 mins)
Race 2: ~21:10 (15 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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sorry to be a right P.I.A BUT,

I would really like to race this group of cars, but I cannot run the minis, even off line. The SKAD mini is not a problem and I know that is not eligible for this series.

It is the 970 mini Cooper S that is screwing me up.


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I can run the Fiat Abarth as that is a standard car, I can run the Skoda.....no probs  but if I opt for a mini..I get a crash to black screen.

I have these folders in my GTL install with minis ........

1)  D:\GT Legends\GameData\Teams\TC-65\1964-1968 Mini Cooper 970S (cars 1,2,20,30,41,138,143.)

2)  D:\GT Legends\GameData\Teams\TC-65\Mini Cooper S ( cars 24,25,26,27,28,29,40,62 )

3)  D:\GT Legends\GameData\Teams\TC-76\1969 Mini Cooper 970S   ( cars 135, 261 )

4)  D:\GT Legends\GameData\Teams\New Folder\Mini Cooper S KAD Works  ( cars 1,2,3,8,10,11,39,40, 52,55,58,f1206 ?, and f1280? )


I am suspecting that one ( or more ) of these folders is either corrupted or incorrect????

Hi Clive,
 I only have 1 Mini Folder. (GameData/Teams/TC-65/Mini Cooper S)

This contains the following cars..... 24,25,26,27,28,29,40, 62, 590, 592, 593-594, 595, 597.

I have no other Mini packs. I think Pele's are the ones numbered 590 onwards?

TTFN
John.

The Mini Cooper 970 S is used in the NoGrip ETCC 65 Series that Geoffers and I am driving in - guess you've downloaded in error.  ::)

Cars ' 24 to 40 are Pelle's Minis. They belong into the original Mini folder ((GameData/Teams/TC-65/Mini Cooper S)).
Haven't tried the Mini's yet because I want to stick with the Skoda although it is not competitive, But I'll try tonight.

2) is the folder containing the cars we are using. Pelle's cars are No's 24-40. There is also a 62 car but we are not using it. As you haven't mentioned the presence of cars No's 590 to 597 (the original Mini's) I'm guessing that's where your problem may be. Essentially Pelle's cars are just "skins", albeit with a bit more than a simple re-painting. To run they need all the original files associated with the original cars to run. Therefore they should co-exist with the original Mini's in the TC-65/Mini Cooper S folder.

OK, as I suspected there was a problem with the overpopulation of the Minis.

So.............................. can I just delete folders 1&3, as I guess I should retain the SKAD Mini.?? 

We are currently not running the SKAD Mini nor are there any plans to next season, so yes I would delete that folder.

I'm sure Clive would have created a new install for this Non-UKGTL series, wouldn't he?  ::)

Clive, if all else fails I can zip up the mini folder and give you a link for a download. Just shout if you need this.

uummmmmmmm ::) ..........not neccessarily :whistling:

sending this from my laptop whilst I a supposed to be doing something else. Hopefully I can get at my gaming PC later and delete all of those pesky minis that I don't need. I suspect that they were clogging up the system and causing the mismatch whenever I tried to join a race on the server.

If I get no joy Tony, I might take you up on the offer of a "proper Mini file". But hang fire as I might just be able to do this  ;D

I'm off out now so here's a link if you need it or not. http://www.mediafire.com/download/egvu15v1w1vkj6g/Mini_Cooper_S.zip

 :offtopic: If you have RRE then check this out https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13889.msg250851#msg250851 Matt has organised another event featuring the mighty NSU Prinz, this time at Sachsenring. Would be great to see some GTL boys there.

Thanks Tony, now have minis working ( off line ). Still cannot drive the ruddy things although they are plainly the faster car. Currently have the Skoda and the Abarth at around 1:20 with the mini showing a 1:18 if I hold it together. But I cannot string even 2 decent laps together with front wheel drive handling!!!!

Looks like I should be able to interfere in Monday's race  ;D

Brake hard before turn then use power thru turn. I can only get 1:19 in the mini  ???

Tried the Mini for the first time - 1:20.3 atm, Skoda 1:22.5 still with a - sometimes and never projectable - bizarre driving behaviour.
BTW - don't really like this track  ::)

After solving my "mini" issues thanks to Tony's help, I did not have too long to practice yesterday.

I feel that there is at least another second ( maybe more ) in the Skoda, but I would have to cure the tendency for the car to react to early gas with the tail slewing around. I think the rear springs and the diff might need some attaention to control that...................if I have time brfore the race.

The Fiat Abarth is great fun to drive and although more predictable than the Skoda, it just seemed to lack top speed. If I keep things tidy and smooth there might be some time to find, possibly sub 1:20 in my clumsy hands.

Thanks for the tip on driving that pesky mini. I had sort of found that style as a solution, but years of driving rear wheel drive cars and braking deep into corners and using the power to correct oversteer is instinctive. I am therefore going to try and re-programme my brain if I find time before the race as I feel there couldbe a sub 1:16 in that mini if I could only avoid fighting terminal understeer through every corner!! I did try Pelle's setups initially, but I just could not hook up with them so started tweaking things to try and make the car do what I wanted. I might go back and adjust my driving style instead of the setup.

We will all know if I am right ( or wrong!!) at around 9:30 this evening!! lol  ::)

Not turned a wheel here yet, although I have raced here before, so it will be turn up & hope for me tonight!  :o

just baffled and fed up! >:(

Initial attempts to join showed the circuit opening OK. Then the various drivers loading...except the same names started to repeat and behind I could see the cars being loaded on the timing screen. My GTL appeared to think that some drivers were using a Chevy Camaro 66!!!

OK.............I'll fix that and remove that car from wherever it is hiding..... tracked it down and removed it.
Rejoined server and now some guys were using Shelby Mustang??!!...........OK....we'll remove the Muscle Car folder. In fact I removed all folders except the TC -65 containing the Minis,Fiat and Skoda.

Rejoined server............."car not present on server", at which point after 45minutes of cursing swearing and file deleting, the race started.

It is just too hot here to bother with this now, so I am going outside with a beer! :-\

Time for another fresh install Clive. Honestly I don't know what you do to your GTL to stuff it up so often and so comprehensively. Gutted for you Mate  :(

Results now posted. The replays will be published ASAP but are currently delayed to to technical difficulties. Sorry.

I had similar trouble after going to WIn10 Clive. may not be WIn10 related, but I reinstalled WIn7 and did yet another Steam GTL install
and so far everything has worked fine.

Apologies Erling, for spoiling your second race, hitting once was bad enough but twice was unforgivable!  :oops: :ban:

Apart from that I had a good nights racing with Kurt, with PBs all around. Ended up a couple of seconds faster than my best pre-race lap and I wasn't lapped.  ;)

Yesterday afternoon i had the nice idea to go on the beach for the pause lunch and i had the nice idea to sleep 2 hours while i got the sun care..........what happened ? That when i back home after shower my skin begin to become red more and more  and burn also too, so you can imagine how i was in the evening when i sit in front my monitor holding my g27 between my hands. Drive so it has been a torture !!!!!

In race 1 not bad with Abarth i get second time in qualy and when start race start also  my battle with Geoffers ( with who could be then ?), Geoffers was in front to me when he mistake on the last corner so i passed him. After we did some laps very closed, Geoffers tried to pass me on the start straight until when i dont see more him in my mirror, so i drove avoiding to not make mistakes also because Bob and Matt were very closed to me. And i did mistake at 2 laps to go on the last corner so Matt start to be very closed to me in the last lap but not enough for try to pass me and I win.

In race 2 with me i wronged totally my setup every time i touched the brake perdal it was as i touched the hand brake so i ran a bad race. MaiPor hit me in the first lap (not problem Mai it can happen) i lost three places but with this setup it was very difficult to think a recover. At least i passed these race in good company with Erling and Tony  and i finished 7th.

But honestly i have say that yesterday i was impossible beat Geoffers. I won race 1 but i didnt beat him, Race 2 i could be close to him just with the fantasy.
It confirm that Geoffers is an ace with little cars (he is an ace also with power car), and that Ziu is a donkey when he drives Mini. Grats Geoffers !!!!
I have say also that is  period where i m some tired, it will the hot summer effect, i dont know. I m driving few time on practice.

I m very happy for Bob, yestarday he was very strong and in Race 2 he got a podium very important for our team. Grats Bob !!!!!!

Grats Matt !!!! You drove very well Skoda and you got a great lap time with it. It not was easy drive Skoda here so this is a Double Grats Matt !!!!!

Race one I was surprised to still see Ziu not far in front. I think Bob and I were slowly catching as well  :o
The Skoda is a dog. It would be more useable if it had a bit more power to make up for the nasty handling
I had to cut off it's spheroids to tame it, and even then it wanted to spin into and out of corners.
I did a very aggressive setup, and once I was used to it, and drove around it's little pecadillos it was fun.
I could have taken the Mini both races, and might have won Race 1 with it judging by the times
But in prac my times in the Czech doggy were close enough that it looked a good race, so I took it.

Had another great chase with Bob in race 2, though I couldn't quite get a consistent laps I managed to
keep him (and Geoffers for a while) in sight. For the mini I set the brake bias well forward, which
stopped the spin on braking, but too far forward the thing goes straight on in nasty way as well.

Looking at some history, the 130R in rally trim was up to 140BHP and later models had 5 gears
this one is slower on the straights than the little 1 litre Fiat! and the slightly more powerful mini
leaves it for dead. Shame, as it makes a good alternative car.

Thanks Matt  :thumbup1:

Replays are also now in the replay folder.

After an evening of frustration and desk pounding, I pondered on exactly why I might continuously be getting these issues.

I recalled that when I first started dabbling in GTL, I did not fully understand the way in which cars are added to the game and GTL uses them. Maybe because I had spent so many years in GPL, where cars have to be placed in the same place/folder in order for the game to function.
So when we were asked to install cars for upcoming series, I would download the car file and place it in the same folder as the other cars to be used in the upcoming events.
 Force of habit, in GPL, also had me moving some cars from other folders into the same grouping so that everything was neat and tidy ( I thought!!).

Later I came to understand how the installation of a new GAMEDATA folder, which only updates (and did not fully replace, which I had originally feared) and now just point the new GAMEDATA folder at the G.TL install and let it do its thing.

Is it possible ( in fact probable) that the early fiddling with where cars were added and moved is corrupting the game? The thing that I don't understand is that everything works fine offline, so the game is finding all the relevant cars to run a race. When I go online and I am the only person on the server it all works OK, but when I attempt to join a race with other drivers they show as being in random cars, even though those cars no longer exists in any of my car folders??!

My hard disk is not big enough to have multiple installs of GTL each with different car sets ( I have managed to squeeze in the F1 as a separate install), so I simply overwrite the gamedata as normal and add the new cars to an ever growing stable of selectable machinery. I find it difficult to believe that this large collection of cars is causing problems as surely the game is designed to cope with many cars. But maybe there are a couple of mis-filed cars from the early days.

Either way I am going to try a fresh download. So a few questions first, just so that I understand things correctly.

1) the new install is left as just that, "a completely intact virgin install"
2) and any new cars are added via the overwriting of the gamedata folder, which will only add the new cars ( in the correct folders) and not delete existing content.
3) Cars to be used in a particular series do not need to all be in the same folder in order for GTL to use them correctly? The overwriting of the gamedata folder does all the placement.
4) There is no problem with adding, and retaining, numerous cars in the gamedata  folder and this does not impact upon the game . Assuming that all of the cars have been placed by the overwriting?
5) Alternatively, I try what many of you guys do, and have a fresh install for each series which is deleted after a series is completed?
6) is it possible to have multiple GAMEDATA folders that are swapped in and out of the GTL root folder for each class?

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) If you want to. You could have every car for every race series in one GTL install. The advantage of seperate installs is for Practise etc. You have the right cars for that series and no interlopers.
6) In theory Yes, but I've never tried it.

Tracks and cars downloaded from this site come in their own installer which will put the contents in the right place. All you need to do is specify where your GTL folder is located and what it's called e.g. e:/GTL Fifties

No worries Bill; these things happen.

Alas, can't seem to catch a break in this series; something goes wrong in every race.  Had a splitting headache, which didn't exactly help either - possibly why I couldn't quite match my practice pb in each car.

1st Race:
Picked the Skoda over the Abarth, as the former was just a tad quicker in my hands.  Surprised to be 4th on grid.  Start went ok, as it's difficult to do wrong in the Skoda.  An insistent Matt squeezed past through the first corners.  Had to brake for a very wobbly Abarth and avoid over the grass. As a thank you, I received a cut track warning and a tap from a hapless Maipor behind be, who probably didn't expect me to slow and change course.  It sent me over the grass and down to 9th.  Regained a couple of places later same lap, when others had moments.  Found myself behind John (Jeep), fighting for 6th over several laps.  Surprised to be outdragged down the straight by his Abarth, but could go faster in other places; particularly before the final corner.  Eventually got past and built a gap.  Ahead was Tony, but not much I could do about his Mini, so had to settle for 6th.

2nd Race:
Again 4th on the grid, now in Mini, but dreaded the start.  Seems just about anybody and his grandmother can get faster off the line in the Mini than me.  No matter what I try, I always bog down when shifting from 1st to 2nd, and cars stream past left & right.  How do you guys do it ? Is there a secret 1½ gear I don't know about ?

Thus down 3 places already before the first corner. Then caught a gaggle of cars around a sideways Ziu and had to slow, losing more places (and gaining 1 or 2 from others who slowed).  Next at the tight hairpin, as Bill mentions above, he hit me - very hard indeed, sending me far off the track.  Rejoined 9th, as Bill waited, but was 9 secs behind the 8th place car.  Eventually caught Kurt and found a way past.  Some lonely laps ensued until I caught a rejoining and uncharacteristically slow Ziu - surprised to find him down among us bottom dwellers. Raced him to the end, but wasn't faster and could only hope he would make another mistake, which didn't happen - not big enough at least.  Thus finished a disappointing 8th.  Would probably have enjoyed the racing, if not for earlier events and my head positively killing me at this point.

Grats to the podiums in each race, and thanks to Tony for the organising.

Clive: A very important point Tony raises about the track/car install procedure:  Just pick your GTL install folder (the top most one) and let the installer do its work - you don't have to worry about which subfolder(s) the tracks & cars are to be installed in.

Cheers,
Erling

First, bad luck Clive, I'm sure you will eventually sort out the problem. I can only guess that you have some files in the wrong place.


Nah, just lots of experience in Minis after several seasons in the GC Mini League trying to keep up with the really fast guys. Not sure how I have got the Abarth going so quick. Before the Nordschliefe race I had always struggled with it & steered clear of using it. Setup is still not perfect as it understeers too much on the power, as my 'off' at the final turn proved! Later 'off' was due to getting a wheel on the grass & overcorrecting the slide. Still it was a good evenings racing if rather hot, was sweating buckets even with the windows wide open.

Congrats to the podiums, cya all next week.  ;)

I know what you mean Erling, done that many times. You are probably giving it too much throttle in 1st & spinning the wheels too much, then thinking you are on the limiter in 1st you change to 2nd, the wheels grip & you bog down because you are going too slow. You need to rev it to about 1000rpm below max on the line, as you let the clutch out give it a little more throttle but don't floor it! If you get it right it will grip straight away then you can floor it & you will shoot off the line. Its easier said than done, just needs some practice.

You know your having a good evening's racing when you get so engrossed in the action that you find yourself actually leaning hard in your chair to get the car to go around the turns a bit quicker. Really enjoyed both races and the track matched these cars very well (IMO). Had many many laps either chasing someone and never able to make the pass or keeping someone else just far enough behind. Please to see that the Skoda finally made a goodish match with the other cars but I was not to suprised to see a full Mini grid for the 2nd race.

The planets and stars must have been in perfect alignment for me to get 2 podiums in one day. Unbelievable!!  Had a lot of fun racing Matt both times.  In R1 my setup in the Abarth was great for the first 9-10 laps and then it started understeering on exit as the tires wore and the fuel went away  like Geoff states also.  Maybe too much differential power??, or maybe just the track. Anyway Matt took 2nd away from me with the growling Skoda on one of the later laps.  In R2 I was sandwiched between Geoff and Matt.  Geoff was pulling away and I was able to keep Matt at bay.  Had a little advantage as I have raced this track several times.  Over at G-Cribbs we had several Scandinavian drivers so was a favorite home track in both the old Mini series and the GTC series.
Next up is the Trans Am series at Donnybrooke raceway, which I believe is a new mod of this old Drag/Roadcourse  track.  Kind of like Greenvalley we raced earlier but has a more open feeling to it.  See you all there.

Bob M.

Thanks Geoffers; I must practice some more and see if I can make it work.

Cheers,
Erling

Results_Race1 (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_Q3BsazFoMDc5WjQ?ltmpl/index.html)

Results_Race2 (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_Z09zZjJUYmtleXM?ltmpl/index.html)

 8)

Two races a bit disappointing for me with two last places :-[ on the other hand two finishes and some laps of nice racing but too many own mistakes.

CU next week.

Thanks as always Kurt  :thumbup1:

I had a mental block leading up to this one and thought I was outside the top 11 and got a free car choice for race 1 so had done all my practising in the Mini. 15 minutes before joining the server I noticed I was limited to the Fiat or the Skoda so went for the Fiat.

Qualy reveals more understeer than I would like so went for a random set up change just before the race. (It was me lurching around like a demented bluebottle on lap 1). I over did the adjustment and had great difficulty not swapping ends into the corners for the 1st lap until I recalibrated my brain. Went from a qualifying position of 6th to 4th, then got shunted off by Bill (2) down to 10th before recovering to my original starting position by the end of the 1st lap. Slowly came to terms with my new handling package but lost ground in those in front and had Erling up my a$$ in his Skoda. I should have been quicker through the corners but was considerably slower than him and he sat patently on my rear bumper for several laps. He tried the undercut exiting the final corner once but I held him off down the straight but at the end of lap 5 I went wide and had no choice but to take the long way around onto the main straight and allow him through. I tried to haul him in down the straight and just might have gone for it under braking had my set up not been so awful but sanity prevailed and I conceded the place with a whimper. I thought I was in a safe 7th but over the next 8 laps Maipor reeled me in and got past with 4 laps to go dropping me back to 8th overall.

Race 2 I was back in the Mini (As was everyone else I think). Qualified in 6th again. Got a good start and benefited from Erling and Ziu coming together exiting turn 1 and inherited 4th. Had a great race with Tony who was never far behind, I could eek out a small gap only to over cook it somewhere and he was again filling my mirrors. I could see Maipor closing in on the pair of us and at around 2/3 distance he replaced Tony as my main rival. All was going well, I felt he was probably faster than me overall but could not see where he was going to make a pass so was looking forwards to holding onto 4th place until I made a complete pig's ear of the hairpin and outbraked myself allowing him through. For the final few laps the gap remained at about 1 second until we crossed the line.

Thanks for the race guys, it was a blast as usual.

TTFN
John.