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Title: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 22, 2015, 06:21:26 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=496&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 20

Track: Green Valley Raceway Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_GreenValley)

Cars allowed: Mercury Cougar TA from the 1960's carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8) , Chevrolet Camaro Z28 from the 1970's carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_american_v8) , '66 Shelby Mustang TA, 340 Plymouth Barracuda and the 1968 Pontiac Firebird all from this carset Download this (http://www.mediafire.com/download/pe41p6divqam78y/Old_Geezers_add-on_car_pack.zip)

Drivers are reminded that they are limited to only two drives in each car. Check your status HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oiWs6vgMrzQkMd9qHQrp-AwCEgSUcm3GfFkiFe0S97o/edit?usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (34 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 17, 2016, 03:15:42 PM +0000
I'm on my hols so Matt and/or Picnic will be doing the server stuff.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Bob M. on March 10, 2016, 10:03:08 PM +0000
Hope you all enjoy Race 2 of the Trans Am series.  This one has special memories for me as I was in attendance for the 1966 and 67 races.  I was stationed in the Air Force about 15 miles from the track complex and spent some of my free time there.  The manager of the track was a WW2 veteran and if you flashed your military ID card at the gate they just waved you in no charge. If we wanted to drag race on Friday nite we just had to pay a couple of dollars to cover the insurance, same thing on open track days on the road course.  To payback for the free races a lot of us "gearheads" used to show up on Monday morning or evening and picked up trash, hosed out the Latrine's and just helped out as needed.
I remember 1966 race day was drizzly, grey and wet.  A lot of cars didn't have proper wet tires so didn't race and attendance was low because of the weather.  In 1967 their were many more cars as Pony cars were very big sellers and as they say win on Sunday, sell on Monday.  It was 100F+/38C and my friend and I were "incharge" of the hay bales just to the left of the pit enterance.  At least we had a shade tree and a water jug close by.  
Here are some pics of the 67 race I found on the net....https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehenryford/albums/72157631175084150/page1

See you at the track
Bob M.
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Erling G-P on March 10, 2016, 10:50:46 PM +0000
Great memories Bob and some great old photos too.  Surprised to see not a few European cars among the entrants.  Were they all running in the same class ?

Working my way through the cars at the moment, with best lap so far being 1:08.4.  See you on track Monday.

P.S: We need a Trophy Queen..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Geoffers on March 11, 2016, 12:03:04 AM +0000
Nice pics Bob. Also some of the 66 race here:

http://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniPanAm1966transamgreenvalley.htm

Like Erling, I'm working through the cars, tried all but the Cougar. In the 1.07s with all those I've tried although the Barracuda is about 0.5s faster than the rest and I've only done 5 laps in it compared to around 25 in each of the others!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: SpecialKS on March 11, 2016, 07:05:50 AM +0000
Great memories and pics, Bob  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: phspok on March 11, 2016, 10:52:15 AM +0000
managed a low 8 in the Firebird, which I am struggling to reproduce.....
My fave car in this group is the Z28, but as I have already used him once I will use something else
for this one.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: EvilClive on March 11, 2016, 03:26:03 PM +0000
Nice pics Bob. Also some of the 66 race here:

http://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniPanAm1966transamgreenvalley.htm

Like Erling, I'm working through the cars, tried all but the Cougar. In the 1.07s with all those I've tried although the Barracuda is about 0.5s faster than the rest and I've only done 5 laps in it compared to around 25 in each of the others!

Where the heck do you guys find the time to do 25 laps in half a dozen different cars??!!!  I usually struggle to get any laps in before race night and pre qually practice. That usually means I have made a wild guess at which 2 cars might work and make a snap decision ( usually wrong!!) about what I am going to drive.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: BillThomas on March 11, 2016, 06:46:37 PM +0000
Nice pics Bob. Also some of the 66 race here:

http://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniPanAm1966transamgreenvalley.htm

Like Erling, I'm working through the cars, tried all but the Cougar. In the 1.07s with all those I've tried although the Barracuda is about 0.5s faster than the rest and I've only done 5 laps in it compared to around 25 in each of the others!

Where the heck do you guys find the time to do 25 laps in half a dozen different cars??!!!  I usually struggle to get any laps in before race night and pre qually practice. That usually means I have made a wild guess at which 2 cars might work and make a snap decision ( usually wrong!!) about what I am going to pdrive.

Yeah but Yeah  ::) - you also have the services of Arnold and Mabel to help you unload and change cars! Most of us are on our own, many of the tracks are converted from GPL so you know tracks and the danger areas!  ???



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: 55steve55 on March 11, 2016, 11:49:17 PM +0000
What fantastic memories, Bob. Oh, if only one could turn the clock back and do it all again..........


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: EvilClive on March 12, 2016, 12:52:49 PM +0000
Nice pics Bob. Also some of the 66 race here:

http://www.cliffreuter.com/etceteriniPanAm1966transamgreenvalley.htm

Like Erling, I'm working through the cars, tried all but the Cougar. In the 1.07s with all those I've tried although the Barracuda is about 0.5s faster than the rest and I've only done 5 laps in it compared to around 25 in each of the others!

Where the heck do you guys find the time to do 25 laps in half a dozen different cars??!!!  I usually struggle to get any laps in before race night and pre qually practice. That usually means I have made a wild guess at which 2 cars might work and make a snap decision ( usually wrong!!) about what I am going to pdrive.

Yeah but Yeah  ::) - you also have the services of Arnold and Mabel to help you unload and change cars! Most of us are on our own, many of the tracks are converted from GPL so you know tracks and the danger areas!  ???



LOL!!  You have noticed my uncanny ability to expose and explore all of the danger areas on any circuit. This super power, does not always work to my advantage..............


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Geoffers on March 12, 2016, 11:43:25 PM +0000

Where the heck do you guys find the time to do 25 laps in half a dozen different cars??!!!  I usually struggle to get any laps in before race night and pre qually practice. That usually means I have made a wild guess at which 2 cars might work and make a snap decision ( usually wrong!!) about what I am going to drive.

Its actually unusual for me to test out all the cars, like you I normally pick 1 or 2 & stick with it/them. For instance I have still only driven the Brabham & Eagle of the 67 F1 cars, not turned a wheel in any of the others.
Still not had time to try the Cougar yet & as I'm struggling with a cold/flu I probably won't feel like trying it before the race. Will probably go with the Mustang I think.

PS: Just remembered I had a brief go in the Lotus 49! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Jeep on March 14, 2016, 10:37:53 AM +0000
Oh dear, if you guys are in the 7's or 8's it's going to be a long race for me. :( I'm still sitting in the 9's & 10's. No car preference at the moment. I suck in all of them equally.

About every 3rd lap I line everything up for T1 then watch it go straight past. :(

TTFN
John


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Erling G-P on March 14, 2016, 10:52:57 AM +0000
Managed some 1:07s yesterday, after some more setup tweaks, but mind you, we haven't heard from the aliens yet.  I'm sure they'll do 1:05s or even lower..  ::) (I suck at the US heavy metal, so my times are surely mediocre at best)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: SpecialKS on March 14, 2016, 11:28:34 AM +0000
Slightly under 1:10 in the Mustang so far  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on March 14, 2016, 11:49:02 AM +0000
Managed some 1:07s yesterday, after some more setup tweaks, but mind you, we haven't heard from the aliens yet.  I'm sure they'll do 1:05s or even lower..  ::) (I suck at the US heavy metal, so my times are surely mediocre at best)

Cheers,
Erling

Hi Erling, dont worry 1.07 on these track it s good. Pole 1.06, but i not will a problem for anyone with Camaro Z28, it s slow and i dont like drive it. Lap times more closed because these track is short. I think many battles today, i m thinking to Geoffers. I think there are many battles on these track, i m thinking to Geoffers. But i dont like these track


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Ati7 on March 14, 2016, 03:15:35 PM +0000
Good track.I raced here Muscles league (gamers crib). Good position  ;)  Barracuda fast driving not simple,a lot of wheel work (not the best car) .Pontiac and Mustang stabile driving.1.06xxx,all car good.Online setup "barracuda340" ,,  "Pontiac Ati" ,, Shelby Mustang Ati"  See you later,i think Barracuda race  8)   (sorry,google translator  :)  )


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: chmichel on March 14, 2016, 06:44:59 PM +0000
Hello Guys

I'm having a problem to login the lobby, when I click on connect it doesnt and i get this message " could not connect to the server ", I tried the same from the GTL F1, its working but from the main Game it's not !!

Any clue ???

Michel


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: SpecialKS on March 14, 2016, 07:06:40 PM +0000
Had the same problem last week. Simply delete or  remove the LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.txt -file, maybe save it at another place.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: chmichel on March 14, 2016, 07:15:54 PM +0000
it worked

Thx SpecialKS


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: roguk on March 14, 2016, 08:38:51 PM +0000
That was a bummer missed race as it started early,
race info says
Race: 20:40 (34 laps)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: 55steve55 on March 14, 2016, 09:20:27 PM +0000
I joined at about 8:29 and the race started almost immediately, 10 mins early. Was there an on-track vote, i wonder?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: phspok on March 14, 2016, 09:26:12 PM +0000
There was a bad calculation by the server admin.. me that is. I asked if people wanted to restart, and no one did.
Sorry if it caught you out.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Jeep on March 14, 2016, 11:28:02 PM +0000
Was caught out a bit by the start time, I was on the server in plenty of time but the best laid plans went belly up when I forgot to refill to race fuel after Q. I pulled into the pits thinking I had a good few minutes until the race and went to grab a coffee, came back in and the countdown had already started. Qualified 11th which was better than I expected given I am clueless regarding the set up of these beasts. A change in gearing and lower the rear to try to tame the lively back end under braking at the end of the main straight but that was it.

Start went well and I found myself up as high as 6th at 1 point but was surrounded by cars which obviously knew far better lines than me and I was a bit of a mobile chicane a lot of the time. :( Then it went all downhill very rapidly, 1st I lost the rear at the top of the hill and went across the grass, then the track the other side of the hairpin coming to rest the other side of the armco, "Cut Track Stop & Go" (You don't say)...  ::) Took the S&G and rejoined way down the field, Tried to keep out of the fast guys way (Sorry if I held anyone up), Then I was reminded that I still had Q fuel levels and had to pit for a 2nd for a splash and dash which put me even further adrift. Somehow due to others apparently having an even worse day that myself I ended the race back in 11th which was something of a victory considering I was going to park it up and walk back to the pits at one point.

Congrats to all finishers and especially the  Podium, I Just cannot visualise where you are all finding 3 seconds a lap from.. Hats off to you all, I would have needed an M6A to beat you today.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: senyorlobo on March 15, 2016, 07:52:22 AM +0000
Fun race yesterday. Damn my really bad start  :(

Results (http://googledrive.com/host/0B0VLrTJJX8K-TkRCM21oSWZLYUk/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: SpecialKS on March 15, 2016, 10:34:13 AM +0000
Thanks José - highly appreciated  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Erling G-P on March 15, 2016, 03:13:22 PM +0000
Liked yesterday's track, but one of those races that leaves a somewhat bitter taste in the mouth.

Qualify was difficult; hard to get a clear lap with all the traffic on a short circuit.  Worked out eventually, with a new pb, so happy about that.

Start was so-so and I lost a place. T1 was brilliant however. With a cheeky move around the inside of the turn, I was suddenly in 2nd !!   Joy of that lasted exactly one lap. Same place next lap, I had a fairly big gap to 3rd place car. Thus entered the turn feeling completely safe. An illusion unfortunately; out of the blue, with a haphazard manoeuvre, 3rd place car still managed to torpedo my car mid-corner.  Spun me round and dropped me 6 places, to 8th.

Worked my way up to 5th, but lost the places again one by one, dropping back to 8th. Made them up again to finish 5th. Much of it was a hard fought duel with Ziu. Sometimes in front, but mostly behind.  Was surprised to reel him in and keep pace with him late in the race, but my tyres were too shot for me to successfully get past (I tried..). When the car started pulling right under the hard braking for T1, it became very difficult.  Surprising, since the right front tyre was the most worn, so I would expect it to pull left instead.  Maybe the temperatures compensated, as it was also the warmest (least cool).

Grats to the podium and Ziu in 4th.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: EvilClive on March 15, 2016, 04:33:07 PM +0000
Big apologies to those who found themselves encouraged to spin by my front bumper  :oops: :oops:

I could not understand why everyone was braking so much earlier than me in the early laps. Were they trying to preserve their tyres for later in the race?............The answer was quite obvious about 8 laps later when the engine coughed and ran out of fuel!!! I had loaded a trial setup with only 10 laps of gas in the tank, instead of the 40 lap option that I had intended to use  :-\


Sorry for messing up your races guys, even though I waited for my victims to pass me it did not really matter as I was never going to make it to the end.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: BillThomas on March 15, 2016, 07:22:30 PM +0000
Liked yesterday's track, but one of those races that leaves a somewhat bitter taste in the mouth.

Qualify was difficult; hard to get a clear lap with all the traffic on a short circuit.  Worked out eventually, with a new pb, so happy about that.

Start was so-so and I lost a place. T1 was brilliant however. With a cheeky move around the inside of the turn, I was suddenly in 2nd !!   Joy of that lasted exactly one lap. Same place next lap, I had a fairly big gap to 3rd place car. Thus entered the turn feeling completely safe. An illusion unfortunately; out of the blue, with a haphazard manoeuvre, 3rd place car still managed to torpedo my car mid-corner.  Spun me round and dropped me 6 places, to 8th.

Worked my way up to 5th, but lost the places again one by one, dropping back to 8th. Made them up again to finish 5th. Much of it was a hard fought duel with Ziu. Sometimes in front, but mostly behind.  Was surprised to reel him in and keep pace with him late in the race, but my tyres were too shot for me to successfully get past (I tried..). When the car started pulling right under the hard braking for T1, it became very difficult.  Surprising, since the right front tyre was the most worn, so I would expect it to pull left instead.  Maybe the temperatures compensated, as it was also the warmest (least cool).

Grats to the podium and Ziu in 4th.

Cheers,
Erling

Erling, the narrow vertical bars, by the tyre temperature blocks are for showing brake wear.  With weight transfer to the outer front outside corner of the car at the hairpin not only the front right tyre get most wear but also the right front brake.

My front right had almost gone into the red by the end of the race and had been snatching for the last 10 or so laps. The effect is to lock up the right front brake causing the car to pull right and can cause a spin even.

The only way, I've found, is to brake lighter and earlier.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Erling G-P on March 15, 2016, 11:09:19 PM +0000
Erling, the narrow vertical bars, by the tyre temperature blocks are for showing brake wear.  With weight transfer to the outer front outside corner of the car at the hairpin not only the front right tyre get most wear but also the right front brake.

My front right had almost gone into the red by the end of the race and had been snatching for the last 10 or so laps. The effect is to lock up the right front brake causing the car to pull right and can cause a spin even.

The only way, I've found, is to brake lighter and earlier.

Thanks Bill, but are you certain the bars indicate brake wear ?  I've always taken the outer bars to represent tyre wear, and the inner ones to be brake temperature.

Looked at Vitumo.de and found this:

MoTeC Data

    Tyretemperatures (In/Mid/Out)
    Tyrewear
    Tyrepressure
    Enginetemperatures (Water/Oil)
    Braketemperatures
    Engine Health


They don't mention brake wear, but that may be an omission of course.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: BillThomas on March 16, 2016, 04:45:55 PM +0000
Erling, the narrow vertical bars, by the tyre temperature blocks are for showing brake wear.  With weight transfer to the outer front outside corner of the car at the hairpin not only the front right tyre get most wear but also the right front brake.

My front right had almost gone into the red by the end of the race and had been snatching for the last 10 or so laps. The effect is to lock up the right front brake causing the car to pull right and can cause a spin even.

The only way, I've found, is to brake lighter and earlier.

Thanks Bill, but are you certain the bars indicate brake wear ?  I've always taken the outer bars to represent tyre wear, and the inner ones to be brake temperature.

Looked at Vitumo.de and found this:

MoTeC Data

    Tyretemperatures (In/Mid/Out)
    Tyrewear
    Tyrepressure
    Enginetemperatures (Water/Oil)
    Braketemperatures
    Engine Health


They don't mention brake wear, but that may be an omission of course.

Cheers,
Erling

Thanks Erling, done my race consumtion/wear tests on my mini 970S at Monza760 10km with the following results with full fuel load

Water and Oil temps went up to 62 Deg
Engine health 99% dropped to 98%

Top row if figures clearly edge, mid inner tyre temps0

20  20  20           20  20  20                   at start

61  63  62           58  59  57                   at end of test

0.60           86         86         0.45          at end of test  front tyre wear and brake temps (Max 175 deg braking for final corner with full fuel load - figure decreased with load)  Brake temps fell to mid 20s on    the                                                       outer ring of the lap.

0.09             50  50 deg       0.04           Rear Tyre wear and Brake temp when I stopped.


Hope you can make sense of this, which I've shortened due to time constraints - next time you practice make a note of the starting figures and then what happens during the practice and at the end.

From this I conclude that the thin green/orange/red bars show brake wear.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Erling G-P on March 17, 2016, 07:06:17 PM +0000
Thanks Bill.

Guess I'll need to look closer into this.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Jeep on March 17, 2016, 09:17:58 PM +0000
Unless I'm mistaking what is being discussed here I'm sure those relate to "tyre Wear".

Download the Daytona Oval and take something fast out for a spin.. Put in 20 or so fast laps without touching the brakes and check the figures.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezer's 1960's Trans-Am - Green Valley - Mar 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on March 25, 2016, 08:50:07 AM +0000
Car roster now updated to include this race. Please check that I have your status correct!, thanks Tony.