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Track: Zandvoort '67 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_zandvoort)

Cars allowed: 1967 F1 carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_f1_1967)

Please follow the installation instructions posted HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13388.0).

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (32 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

After the Mickey Mouse Monaco circuit lets enjoy some real racing amongst the dunes.

Appetiser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVJNkEuVhDI

Agreed, but the start is still going to be an issue if people start dodging about when the circuit is crowded.

On the bright side, we have found a way of stopping Ati7 from winning everything.    >:D

Looks like I'm going to miss this one, assuming booked coach trip goes ahead. An "US" week coach tour base in Bournemouth - nice to be chauffeured so you can appreciate the countryside and not have to worry about car parking. Usually we are dropped off/picked up in town or the entrance to the day's event.  8)

Sounds good Bill, maybe a trip to Salisbury?

I switched off my virus protection and was able to download this track.

Still awaiting the detailed itinerary, Hotel, Gold Coach with onboard wi-fi, double sized fully reclining seat and constant coffee/tea service and New Forest are all the details we know at present.  Not traveled Gold before, thought at the price, short notice, it is worth a whirl to see if the "extras" over their normal coach is value for money.  That's assuming it will run! ???

Is there any accepted wisdom with regards to setting up the FFB section of the .plr file so that the steering in GTL feels less like a vague wheelbarrow?

Crivens this is difficult.1:15.0 is my best so far in the 49 which is 1.5 seconds off of the AI pole. The curbs are vicious on the fast stuff, I've been so far off piste I get lost and can't find the track

Clive, sorry I missed this post. IIRC the .plr file is only the texted based input from the FFB setting up screen (but I may be wrong). It's been ages since I set up FFB but I'll re-visit and see if I can remember any tips. BTW I run quite low FFB as I don't like it too hard.
BTW what wheel do you have?

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I remember getting my G25 wheel (now a G27) and somewhere I read that that the best FFB was achieved with this wheel by clicking on Logitech MOMO racing under the heading Specialized Effects. Maybe have a play around with these settings. There is also the Windows USB Game Controls software. Go to Control Panel / Hardware and Sound / Devices and Printers. Find your device and right click on it. Click Game Controller Settings.
Highlight your device and select properties. Select Settings. Under Force Feedback tick the "Enable Force Feedback box. I have overall Effects Strength set to 101%, Spring Effect Strength at 0% Same for Damper Effect Strength. Under Centering Spring enable it but set to 0%.

Hopefully someone else will post their settings for you to experiment with.

Thanks Tony,

At the minute I'm trying something called FEELS REAL TO ME G25 FFB for GTL, that I found on NoGrip.

I have my FFB strength set to something very similar to your setting.

And I'm at the higher end of the 1:15s in the Lotus 49.

I'm not convinced about the tyres.  It seems to me that the harder ones have better grip?

Please report back on any success with FFB Clive.

I too have a very "vague" steering feel on my F1 install, and despite copying everything from my standard GTL install it still feels like all of the ball joints are shot on the steering rack.

Tried several "adjustments" but definitely not happy ATM.

Will do.

Perhaps Matt could come and do a house call, next time he is in Southport, to tell me if it feels "normal" to him?   ::)

Guy's, try adjusting the Steering Lock setting

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Thanks for that idea Tony, but I find that I always have to crank steering lock up to the max for all cars to avoid looking like a windmill when driving in anger ( or like Magnus Pike? for those who remember him!).

I think I am suffering from the same malaise as Clive L, in that the steering works to a point, but there appears to be an almost dead zone around the straight ahead position. Dead zone is set to zero in the game controls etc. but there is just a total lack of "feel" for about 10 deg either way from center. The FFB causes the "feel" to stiffen when I start cranking on lock , but when the car is running straight or only small inputs are needed everything is too light.

Like I said it feels like a car with all the steering joints totally worn out.

Very happy to do a house call next week Clive. I am in Southport untill probably a week on Sunday.
As I am not allowed to drive for a week after angioplasty it may be easier if you want to wander over here?
I will be driving (real world) next Thursday probably, so perhaps we could do both?

I have to say that on this G27 setup in SOuthport the steering isn't the same as my G25 setup in Newhey, where there is
a lot more force from the wheel, it actually takes some effort to turn it, which for these cars I prefer.
I will have a play here and see if I can get this one the way I like it. I may be racing Monday, depends how stiff my
wrist is after all the drilling that they did.  :wheelchair:

Yes, trip in schedule, tour is GO!

Sounds nasty.

I really need you to drive on my setup, to tell me if it sucks, or is it me!   ;D

To me it feels as though the king pins are siezed but the track rods failed the MoT for being too loose.

LOL. bit preoccupied today with waiting for my wrist to stop leaking fuel.
just had a one handed autogear run round zand, and steering is quite firm, so must be the other one
that is not so good. You will need to be taxi if you want me there. hopefully all will be fine after the weekend

Server accepts Auto-box if that helps?

No problem.

I don't know what is happening next week so will contact you when I do.

Ta

yes, I ran auto box. Damm wrist is prone to leaking with much movement at the moment, should heal up soon enough
just a bit frustrating.

And another thing.............

When I try to host an event it will not show the F1 car set as an option.  And if I select ALL then the F1 cars are not on the list.  ;-(

Any ideas?

F1 cars don't appear on the "ALL" cars list. And I don't know why the dedi server will not show the F1 cars, sorry. When I launch the dedi server from within my GTL F1 '67 install I just choose the TVR and when I go to multiplayer and check on the car list, all the F1 cars are there.

Thanks Tony, I think that Matt's house call has helped.  ;-)


One more question, is there actually any difference in the grip levels in the different sessions?  I'm feeling so disconnected with my wheel that I can't tell!

I don't believe so. In your tracks location folder you will find a .gdb file which you can open with Notepad. If there are different track grip levels I think it will be listed here.

Race Lap times

Real life - 1:28.08, GPL - 1:22.86, GTL - ???

I tend to agree with Clive (the evil one’s) comments on the steering. I also think everything seems to happen a bit too quickly because the cars are a little too fast. :eek:  I also suffer from the Magnus Pike syndrome when driving these cars. I still enjoy driving them and think it is a great mod that is very close but not quite perfect.  :thumbup1:

1:14.1 for me and Simon is going quicker.   >:(

It's subscription time again folks so please dig deep and give generously. Thank you  :thumbup2:

Lotus and Brabham fast,but I think again Cooper race  8) 

Been working with the Eagle all week.  Finally made the 32 laps without a repair stop this morning.  Will give it a drive Monday.........

Bob M.

LOL

It will be with you in it.

BTW do I assume correctly that I can't vary left and right tyre pressures independantly?

You can with this installed http://www.mediafire.com/download/3hufvlu3k93egh3/Advanced_Setup.zip

Install three files (Game.dic, GTLOptions1.gtl and gtlui.mnu) into your folder called UIdata.

Unnecessary advanced setup.I've never used  ;) Fast track,need good concentration,and good luck. I do not have  ;D  ( damn google translator  ;D  )

Sick again - this time with heavy fever. So I'll have to miss this one.

Have fun guys!

Get well soon Kurt.   :thumbup2:

Yeah, sorry to hear that mate, best wishes for a quick recovery.

Echo that; hope you get well soon Kurt.

Cheers,
Erling

Well I can't see the server.

Is it there?

I can't see it either - Tony, are we in trouble ?

Cheers,
Erling

Hello Guys

It seems the server is down !!

Can't find the race

Maybe it is being reset, I will check in afew mins

Server just reset, should be ok now

Rather unfit at this moment, will give it a try but may have to leave.

Server may be set to practice password, my bad.

 LOL ... gave warning said entering pits, into pits was hit full pelt, xd 0 car would not start. Perhaps should of stayed out but steering was damaged and my lap times were down by 3 seconds.

Got a magic start and stole 2 places as cars around me either scrabbled for grip or bogged down. Was just saying to myself "take it steady on cold tyres" and I hit a kerb and everything went pear shaped!!!
Apologies to Simon for that scare on Lap1 ...some nifty avoidance driving there simon :notworthy:

From then on it was a case of trying to make sure I got to the flag.....things were going well until I was about to be lapped on the main straight by a tentacle waving alien, and I came across a car limping back to the pits.
Putting a rear wheel on the sandy stuff at that speed does nothing for car control, but is a great way to increase your heart rate!!  I managed a spin on the main straight!! AND I guess a wheel crossed into the pitlane during one of the revolutions, because I got a StopnGO to make the farce complete!!!
Just to make my race complete I managed to forget the Pit Lane Limiter during my enforced stop and yup!!! got another speeding ticket!!  :-\

Car was Ok so I pushed on and was rewarded with a few cars dropping out ( really harsh on Ati ) and ended up 5th.


Grats to the podium guys and those who finished on the lead lap. I think I need to put in some more practice if I have any hopes of getting down to those lap times.  :ninja:

Please file a report

Results and replay now posted.

Good track good car good quali,but again bad luck.Grats Ale Erling Geoffers and all.  "Dukes of hazzard"   ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl1UVZI_Iwo

Had a fair quali. and started from 9th on the grid, the start was good, managed to pass 4 cars after T1  due to some spins and I considered myself lucky and did a few laps while lapping good times till I dunno what happened and I spanned on the finish/start straight luckily my Cooper wasn't damaged,

Then a few laps later at T1 I hit the brakes a bit late and my Car flew over the fence, :whistling: I tried to come back to the track but couldn't find an entry  :censored: and all of a sudden my car went into some hole and it started to fly.

I messed what could have been an easy race !!

I hope I didn't bother anyone with my adventure

Hope to see u all next week !!

Cheers

Michel

Dreadful start to qualify; when I went on track, the resistance in my wheel had turned all gooey. No choice but to exit and restart GTL, which thankfully fixed it.  When I rejoined, I had a hard time getting a clear lap, but all worked out in the end, with a new pb.

For the life of me I can't figure out how to get off the line with these cars. I've tried high revs, low revs, medium revs, dumping the clutch, easing the clutch out, but no matter what, I always seem to crawl slower off the line than practically everybody else.  De Martini in the same car positively catapulted off the line in comparison.  If anyone who's discovered the secret would give some advice, I'd be most grateful  :)

Thus lost a place and slotted into 4th at the start. Had Maipor behind, but he spun at the beginning of L2 and was replaced by Geoffers. Beginning of L3, up ahead Ziu and De Martini had coming together. Looked like I could profit from it, gaining one or maybe even two places.  But just as I aimed for this, I had to swerve off track to avoid Ziu's rejoining car. No gains then; on the contrary, it brought Geoff up close and personal instead.  Later same lap, Martini went hillclimbing  ;), so I claimed 3rd.

Held most of the race. Looked like I was slipping away from Geoffers at about the same rate Ziu was slipping away from me. Thus shaping up to be a lonely race, but was far from it. Constant traffic of drivers who had been delayed for various reasons.  Had one or two hairy moments with stationary cars.  Thanks to all who helped me past. Apologies for not thanking in race, but driving these cars fast takes about 110% of my concentration. Thus don't dare take my hand off the wheel, to fumble for a predefined message key on the keyboard  :o

Late in the race, a message from Ati indicated he might be in trouble.  Sure enough, the pitboard showed me in 2nd shortly after. Tough luck Atilla; you seemed to have victory in the bag, but at least you left in elegant style..  ;)

Grats to Ziu on the win and Geoffers on the final podium.

Regrettably handicapping kicks in from next race, and I'll have to wave goodbye to the wonderful Brabham for now  :'(    Anyone want to buy a BT24 ? Pristine condition; only raced once since total rebuild..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

Very bad luck Ati  :(

Grats Ale, Erling and Geoffers for the pod.

No time for practice this week so no chances to make a good race.  :(

Results (http://googledrive.com/host/0B0VLrTJJX8K-eWJQMWVCWTB0Q0k/index.html)

I expect that it gave you a track cut warning as you sailed through the air.

My apologies to S and C Lyons for my pit entry spoiling your race, and sorry to Zui for being a road block, next race will go back to using virtual mirror.

Grats to Zui on win

Grats to Podium

Please don't bother.  There is enough garbage appearing up at the top of the screen already and as you say, it takes 110% concentration just to stay on the grey bit!

There should be no chat apart from pit in pit out but that is a waste of time also because one is far too busy aiming ones own car to read mail!  Should also be remembered that pit in and pit out do not give you carte blanche to pull across in front of cars that are approaching at speed.

Edit:  No problem Roguk.  But Spa is going to be another track where you are going so fast in these daft cars that you cannot see the accident ahead before you have become a part of it!  It was ever thus in GPL at Spa.

Gaaaaasssss  ;D

I had to pull out before the race last night due to an inconvenient tummy bug, I had hoped that when I started driving I would be OK but I did not feel good so quit during qually. I was almost two seconds slower than my best lap in practice a few days ago but even if I had matched that it would not have improved my grid position at the back. I had planned to try to be consistent and keep out of trouble in the race.

I’m supposed to be going to a family get together tonight to celebrate one of my nephews birthday. We are then going to have a curry meal….. Not in my case, I’m on dried toast and water and still suffering at the moment.

I was using the McLaren M5A that I used in the first race (I missed Monaco). I noticed it seemed rather down on power to me although others drove it much faster. I was surprised to see De Martini in a Brabham BT24 flash past me at the end of the pit straight although I had a good entry, he seemed to come from miles back and I was not  quite red lining it. I could hold him through the slower corners but when we came to the flat out parts of the track although I had my foot flat to the floor he just disappeared into the distance. I would have thought it would have been the other way around. I must test the Brabham to see if it is that much faster. I know that slower in and faster out of corners tends to give better lap times. I think I must have mastered the slower in part judging by my lap times. Probably need to be smoother on the breaking and steering and set the car up better.

I am just going to download the replays and see if I can learn anything from the masters.

Lol, thanks - think I've tried that, but guess I'll need to give it another go..  :D

Cheers,
Erling

Being a gentleman and sporting sort of guy :angel-wings: I feel that i should share my technique for getting off the line, but all the while a little voice is whispering in my other ear.." don't tell him!! let him suffer and you will be able to beat him!! " :devil:

This will probably cost me positions and any advantage I might have over Erling but here goes..... Like all things this needs a bit of practice.
Firstly, I always use the same procedure for all cars. I do not use the clutch as I find that there is a lack of feel for the "bite point", so I sit on the grid in neutral and wait.
Once the countdown stops and we get the 3-2-1 running I bring the revs up to about 60-70%.
As soon as the "GO" shows I shift straight into 1st gear, no clutch.

This is where I had to practice, because I use the wheelspin in place of the clutch. It is a case of balancing the engine revs to keep it running at full torque, but at the same time not just lighting up the rear tyres and burning rubber, but going nowhere.
Usually once the car is moving forward you will need to back off the revs to allow the tyres to bite and give max drive. This is where it works really well if you get it right.....and makes you look a proper dunce if you get it wrong!!!

The biggest issue I have is hearing my engine above the chaos all around so that you know when to shift up to 2nd...looking at the rev counter is not always a sensible option with so much happening off the grid.

I hope that this confuses you even more (sorry the little devil was whispering again) this helps  ;D

Thanks a bunch Clive; much appreciated - promise I will never use it against you..  :whistling:

Actually that was more or less what I used to do, but a couple of years ago, when I had even bigger problems getting the fwd Minis off the line, someone suggested assigning a button as clutch.  Definitely seemed to improve my starts at the time, but maybe I just never perfected the 'straight into 1st' technique.  With my current G27, I felt I should use the clutch pedal for something, but maybe revisiting previous techniques again would be a good idea. (Although 'proper dunce' is probably the most likely outcome..  ;))

Cheers,
Erling

Surprisingly this turned out to be a very uneventful race. On this tricky circuit I had been struggling to do more than 3-4 laps without going off & qualifying was no different, so I wasn't expecting too much else in the race.

I started by not trying to go too quick & not worrying about trying to stay with the car in front. After De Martini & Marc both spun off I was in 4th & just concentrated on being smooth & lifting a touch for each of the fast corners to keep the car settled. Worked well & apart from a couple of partial grassy moments I kept it on the black stuff. Very happy with 3rd at the end.  8)

Congrats to Ziu, Erling & all finishers  :clap:, & bad luck to Ati & all those who didn't make the end  :oops:

As for getting off the line, I think which ever way you do it, you can get it wrong. Mostly it is a case of getting the revs right, when you do it flies off the line & when you don't (as Mr C. Loynes will testify) you leave the line like a ruptured duck!

Ah!!! Those Minis are a special case....I cannot get FWD cars to launch with any reliability.
I suspect that control of wheelspin is even more crucial with these cars....I need more practice.

I don't know if I need a new wheel but throughout all sessions I was getting a knock, knock, knock through the steering wheel like the suspension wasn't working properly. Also in turns the knocking was especially strong. I have a G27 and a spare one in the garage so when I get back from my hols I may well swop them and see if that improves things.

I cannot say that I had any "knocking" through my G25, but I was certainly aware of plenty of heavy vibration especially when pushing hard through corners.

I wondered if this was deliberate by the software guys? as it did give the feeling of tyres scrubbing across the tarmac............but maybe I am just being a dork?

My way to go is completely manual, clutch + h-shifter, revs about 60-70% and let off the clutch quick but smoothly.

Thanks De Martini - it certainly worked yesterday..  :)  Looks like I will have to do more practice of various methods.

Are you using clutch + H-shifter during race also ? - if so, I'm duly impressed by your speed!!  :o

Cheers,
Erling

Yep, but i only use clutch to go into 1st gear  ;) the downside is that i stall the engine too often when i spin  :laugh:

Ah yes, Geoffers' signature PnG start!