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Cars allowed: 1967 F1 carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_f1_1967)

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Car choices

Championship position (CP) 1st to 3rd. Any car from Pool 1.

CP 4th to 10th. Any car from Pools 1 and 2.

CP 11th to 18th and new drivers. Any car from Pools 1, 2 and 3.

POOL 1

Ferrari 312 (1966)
BRM P83
Honda RA273
Brabham BT11

POOL 2

Brabham BT20
Cooper T79
Lotus 43
Honda RA300
McLaren M5A
Ferrari 312 (1967)

POOL 3
 
Eagle T1F
Brabham BT24
Eagle T1G
Lotus 49
Cooper T81B

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (14 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
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No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
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Special Notes: None

This is a handicapped event

Please only choose a car in accordance with your current Championship standing

Despite Tony's attempts to hobble them, I expect that the aliens will be below the 3 minute mark here.  Which is daft.

Seems easier than Zandvoort and a lot easier than Spa 67 in GPL.

Haven't tried it yet, but would imagine it's not the best track to be down on power.

Will be interesting to see how the handicapping pans out.  Tend to fear it will hurt those of us chasing the aliens more than the aliens themselves. 

Cheers,
Erling

I'm more than happy to receive feedback on the handicapping in terms of Car Pool content but only by pm please.

I've not seen a chequered flag yet!  I want everybody else in a 2CV!

Its that thing with the black & white squares on it Clive!  ::)

How the heck did I make the mistake of getting myself up to 4th!!! and feeling the wrath of Ton's handicapping???

Tactical error time I feel. :-\

Race Lap times

Real life - 3:31, GPL - 3:26, GTL - ???

Consider yourself lucky that you're not ranked 3rd!   In reality, Ati & I am sharing 2nd right now, so technically you're 3rd..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

Thank for the hint Geoffers.   :thumbup2:

I'll keep an eye open for it.

Even I was faster than that in GPL!  I think that the aliens were in the low teens!

GTL  About 3 minutes dead.

EDIT:  GTL quicker than that.

Now let me see.....Shall I stick with the Lotus or try the Eagle?   :devil:

Should be concentrating on Monday's race, but couldn't help taking a few exploratory laps in Brabham BT11.  Very easy like Clive L says above - flat out for most of the lap. Best time so far: 3:10.6.

Cheers,
Erling

I might have to dig out a certain fundoshi and headband for this race................ ::)

My best in the Waza 300 is 2:55.7

Can anyone suggest why my mirrors overhang the side of the screen. I can't see a thing in them. Clive's seem to be all inboard. I've tried messing with the screen res and monitor aspect ratios to no avail.  (I created a screen dump to show what I mean but I couldn't figure out how to add it to my post, insert image didn't seem to do anything)

Could be I am shooting at the wrong trouble here.. but:
have you set "virtual mirrors" ? and show mirror in cockpit? something like that.

I'm using cockpit view with mirrors on. Virtual mirrors are not selectable

Does it do the same if you get back in the Lotus?

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok2/GTLF1Hon+daSpa.jpg)

Settings:

Game - mirrors (press "1" key while in car to make them show)

Advanced - tick in vitual mirrors

Untick virtual mirrors in Advanced and you get "normal" mirrors:
You can only tick/untick virtual mirrors when not at a track, back out to the initial main menu.

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/phspok2/GTLF1SpaHonda2.jpg)

thanks for the tip ref turning virtual mirrors on.

My issue regarding "real" mirrors is not with turning the image in them on and off. The problem is that I can only see about 25% of them, the rest is beyond the extent of the viewing window. If I could post a picture then you could see what I mean. It's as if I'm sitting so far forward in the cockpit that the mirrors have almost gone from my field of view.

You need to adjust your seat then.  You move it back and forth with A + S keys, and up/down with Z + X.

Cheers,
Erling

Sadly that didn't work   A+S and Z +X had no effect, anyone got any other suggestions?

It does sound like your seating position is too far forward Simon, but maybe the keys that Matt suggested for adjustment are not those that are have been allocated in the setup menu.

Not sure how I ended up with these keys, but the ones that I have for seat position are :-
 "F" for forward
 "B" for back
 "U" for up
 "D" for down

it might be that you have something else? take a scroll through the various configuration lists to check.

All adjustments are done whilst "seated"  in car.


Not had a chance to dust down the mighty Waza yet, but Mrs Fujikawa has promised that the car will be ready at least 10 mins before race start.... :-\

Keys are not set by default, I have the arrow keys set for the seat mostly, but I don't know what the default is
Just assign some keys and you are sorted  ;D The are in the "extra" menu for controls

Thanks to all for your help. I'm too drunk to try any mods tonight but I'll give it a go tomorrow.

Evil C, Mrs Fujikawa has produced an awesome beast   :clap:

That's moving the driver sorted, now, does anyone know how to turn the HUD speedo and rev counter off but leave the lap time/split lap visible? The speedo and rev counter are obscuring my view of the mirrors  >:(

Nope 

I just do without the split time.  Don't have time to look anyway, without crashing!

Umm, I think the HUD is cycled with one of the number keys. 1 or 2, maybe 3 ?

Never thought that it would be otherwise...................... ::)

Yes, GTL F1 is wildly inaccurate in many ways!   ::)

In the 2:52s with the Lotus.   


Shame about all you fast blokes in pedal cars.   ::)

"In the 2:52s with the Lotus."    :eek:  I think POOL 2 cars,hither no good  :surrender:    ;D

I think Clive is using a different circuit  ;)

It's the 2 key (but not on the Numpad).

Damn translator  :)  I 2.position. Mandatory pool1 ?

Yes.

Zui, Ati7 and Erling G-P = POOL 1=

Ferrari 312 (1966)
BRM P83
Honda RA273
Brabham BT11

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It seems that the party is over    (http://www.vocinelweb.it/faccine/tristi/37.gif)

Finally tried a few serious laps practice, and felt obliged to use the Honda after my long association with that car in GPL.

2:52!!! is what Clive Loynes is claiming with the Lotus, geez I did manage to get the mighty Honda below 3:00, but unless I can park the Honda across the track in front of Clive I cannot see any other way of preventing him passing and vanishing into the distance.

Busy day ahead, but I hope I can get a few more laps in this evening before the race and maybe tweak the setup to carry some more speed through the big corners.

Now I will tell you something really funny.

I can't race tonight because we are out.    :cursing:

Also, the way that I have had to set up the Lotus to give some steering at Stavelot it is a bugger of a thing to keep on the grey bit until you have cleared Les Combes on the first lap and the tyres have some heat in them. 

Nowthen CLive, that is really painful :'(
I will maybe get to do one of these F1 events.... this week I am way down in Exeter  :o

You are right!!

And the next one is not until June at the Mickey Mouse version of Le Mans!  The aliens in their pedal cars will be in much better shape there.  >:(

What a race - don't think that I can go to bed now  :angel:

Sorry for the tab during the start Tony (somebody touched me from behind), which slightly damaged my front suspension causing an a little bit more nervous behaviour on braking than experienced in praccy and qualy. Sorry Bill for another one or two tabs  ::).

However I was able to get accustomed to the fragile car and register two or three new pb's - improving by more than six seconds between Sunday's private practice and today's race.
And finally I was able to benefit from the drop outs and bad luck of some of the faster guys and could finish as a lucky forth.

Results to be posted tomorrow night.

CU next week  ;)

Replay and results now posted.

EDIT: Two errors in results now corrected.

In many ways a great race yesterday, at least regarding the result.

Love this version of Spa, if you're in a fast car, like the 917 or these F1s, which are even faster - even the pedal versions Tony allowed us to use  :)

New pb in qual, but still over 3 secs slower than Ziu in the same car; quite sobering. Tony could put the aliens in wheelbarrows, and they'd still be ahead of everyone else it seems.

Still can't start these cars despite many tries, so lucky to lose only 1 place at the start, when Clive got ahead.  Soon had De Martini behind me in his faster Brabham, but kept him at bay for most of the lap, by staying on the racing line. Late on L1, Clive decided to take a closer look at the slope next to the track. I was too focused on his car and partially followed him. De Martini shot past, but I got past Clive, retaining 6th.  That was upgraded to 5th when De Martini crashed in spectacular fashion at Eau Rouge on L2.

Cars up ahead were slowly moving away, while behind, Clive was trying to make up lost ground. Determined to make him work for it, so gave it all I had.  He still slowly reeled me in over several laps however. He eventually got real close, only to drop back a little, and then more and more again, in bigger chunks, so guess he must have gone off.

Some relatively lonely laps followed, until about 1/3 was left. Then cars ahead started dropping like flies. Passed a wrecked MaiPor, but puzzled to find myself 3rd when passing start. Hadn't seen that Atilla had crashed in the same place, as his car was hidden from view.  Next came upon Geoffers having an argument with the grassy shoulder of the track, and was suddenly in an unexpected 2nd! 

No hopes of catching Ziu some 25 secs ahead, unless he crashed too, and that was unlikely, with no pressure on him at all.

Still very happy about 2nd of course; far better than I could possibly hope for.  Grats to my fellow podium'ers and all survivors.  Commiserations to those that met with bad luck.

Btw:  I also had a wrong revcounter in my car.  The Ferrari revs to 12.000 rpm, but the scale only went to 10.000 in the online version.  Quite a nuisance, as I relied more on that than the lamp, for timing my up-shifts.

Cheers,
Erling

Really enjoyed that race and thought i had finished, a bit disappointed as replay shows me stopped after La Source time 2071 so must have been discoed.

Grats to Ziu on win

Grats to Podium

Erling, any chance that you know which cars rev counter you ended up with? I want to send a report to Terry. My McLaren had a Ferrari dial.

I'm happy for qualifying lap time, less for my best race lap because i lost 1 second. That it mean i did a good job with setup just for few fuel (usually it s the opposite for me). When i tried in the last days the car in qualify condition i was going 2:56,3, but yesterday in the afternoon after lunch i had idea to not touch brake pedal on Malmedy S (earned 0,5 second) and the same thing on Stavelot (earned an other 0,5 second) so i got 2:55,0 just i passed from 5 gear to 4 gear. These idea is born in my mind when i take La Carriere corner and  Blanchimont corner without brake and leaving 5 gear just leaving throttle, resulted that output corners 10000 RPM, what i wanted get.
I have been surprised about Ferrari 312 66 performance, before to test it  i  feared that not it was possible to get good lap time because power, but  the realty is different. It needed to have a agile car also here, it s too important the output corners here, i got time on the corners  Malmedy, Stavelot, La Carriere and Blanchimont. About race i got bad start (not a news for me, i used so), after i was 4th but on Stavelot i pass Maipor and Geoffers then i was behind Attila until Blachimont where i pass him, so i gone way i did just a mistake on Eau Rouge output. It has been a good surprise for to drive Ferrari 312 66 here, but without restriction i think that also McLaren, Cooper and Brabham BT24 were good choice. I tried just Mclaren for see the difference with Ferrari.

Grats to Erling (it will hard with you, not need be fast so much when on championship not get mistake and you are perfect driver for this) and big grats to Tony for podium.

Erling, also me had the same problem with RPM counter, it seems to me McLaren RPM counter but i dont sure. Also another time with Cooper i got the same problem, i saw Ferrari RPM counter on my Cooper !!!!  ???

Coldn't say outright, but I took a screenshot of it Tony.  Can send it to you when I get home if you like.


Thanks Ziu; I try to be consistent, but not always up to me. Especially with these fragile cars, it can quickly end badly - just look at Monaco; zero points for me there, despite all my practice  :'(

Cheers,
Erling

@ Erling, yep I'll have the screenshot please.

Also if anyone else had a different dial could they let me know please?

Really loved driving the McLaren around here, only downside being its lack of straight line speed.

Had a great battle with Ati during the first half of the race, got ahead a couple of times but the Ferrari was always able to get back ahead on the straight bits. Unfortunately I made a couple of small mistakes & brushed the wall which dropped me back behind Maipor, only temporarily though as both he & Ati went off at Stavelot on the same lap & I inherited a clear 2nd place. Didn't last though as I got on the gas too early at Les Combes on the next lap & hit the wall, steering was now bent & the car would not go straight, so rather than try to limp round for repairs & risk getting in the way of some very fast cars, I pulled off & retired.

Congrats to Ziu, Erling & Tony, well done guys.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I do think though, that if we use these cars again in a future series, they need to be slowed down. They have maybe too much power & certainly too much grip.

I agree. IMO they should have the same speed and grip as the GPL cars. At the end of the season I'll see if Terry would be interested in doing a physics update.

From the cars available to me, I chose the McLaren as it seemed the least effort to drive and with a little tweak here and there, I managed to make it nicely quick through the slower corners. Managed to hold off Roger in the early part of the race and after Clive made an error (or two) I was catching him quickly. But he pulled away and I was left equally between him and Roger so I just concentrated on not making any unforced errors. Had a scary moment when Attila's car crossed the track between Malmedy and Masta. Not sure how I missed him  :o  Managed to control the car and rejoined the track and then remembered to breath. With the fast guys retiring I was blessed with a podium place. I'll take it  ;)

They do.  Masta was harry flatters in the Lotus, something that I never managed in GPL in anything but a Cooper.

As a comparison, Ziu's pole 178mph, Jim Clark's 1967 pole 151mph!  :o

But Ziu was in a slow car!

My PB in the Lotus is a 1:52.8 and if I ever managed a whole good lap then it will probably be a 1:52.5


PS I sometimes get a rev counter without the red segment on it but I haven't a clue where it comes from.

A race of 2 halves for me in the white whale.

The setup was a little bit of an experiment with hard rear tyres and soft fronts, very stiff shocks and close front rear roll bars to give me some response in the corners.
It worked well to start the reace and I was happy with my pace, especially in the slipstream of the leading aliens. I was having to back off to avoid rear ending cars at the end of the straights!!
I was distracted by the cars ahead swapping around and missed my turn in point at the end of lap 1 which sent me up the bank and definitely bent something...the car was somewhat less co-operative after that.
I gradually got used to the dodgy steering under braking and began to reel in Erling. I was almost in slipstream range when I clipped a wall at Stavelot. Whatever had been wrong before was now 50 times worse!!!!!! From then on things went downhill rapidly and the car became increasingly difficult to drive.
By the time Tony caught and passed me the car was almost undriveable and shortly decided to remove a couple of wheels to make the demolition complete!
In hindsight I should have been a little more conservative with the setup and looked for more control and a little less speed. But when you are trying to wrestle a tank like the Honda through high speed corners,that ain't so easy!!  lol

I agree that these cars seem a bit too fast with too much grip. Even the Honda was through Masta without lifting and if I could have found more speed, there was still grip available to take that section even quicker.
My rev counter was also wrong with a 10k rev counter in a car that red lined at 12k??

Voilà:

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_UTZSVkFkc0tSSkE?ltmpl/index.html)

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Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

As usual a non prepared race, I really can't find time to practice and those F1's are so fragile to drive,

Anyhow I guess I picked the wrong car, I loved this version old Spa flat all the way, very convenient for these fast cars, At the start I hit someone who didn't move at the green lights so I'm sorry for that, then I gained 3 positions and from there the first few laps were good but couldn't follow roguk in front of me and even the gap was getting bigger, I surely picked the wrong car, the Cooper, in fact I had no idea which car was best, to make a long story short in L5 I lost concentration at some point and my car went to the grass and up to the sky I dunno on which planet I landed but I was flying in a no gravity area and my car was going up and down left and right so all I had to do is to watch the race which my car flying !!  

Then I got a DQ and I left the game !!

Congrats to Ziu, Erling,  Tony and all the finishers !!!


Cheers

Michel