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Car choices

Championship position (CP) 1st to 3rd. Any car from Pool 1.

CP 4th to 10th. Any car from Pools 1 and 2.

CP 11th to 18th and new drivers. Any car from Pools 1, 2 and 3.

POOL 1

Ferrari 312 (1966)
BRM P83
Honda RA273
Brabham BT11

POOL 2

Brabham BT20
Cooper T79
Lotus 43
Honda RA300
McLaren M5A
Ferrari 312 (1967)

POOL 3
 
Eagle T1F
Brabham BT24
Eagle T1G
Lotus 49
Cooper T81B

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (36 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Special Notes: None

Mosport ate my tyres  :helpsmilie:

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Cheers,
Erling

-KYALAMI 4104 meters 34 laps  race time 40m 58 sec  Ati race lap 1:10,1
-ZANDVOORT 4193 meters 32 laps  race time 39m 24 sec Ati race lap 1:11,5
-MOSPORT 3957 meters 32 laps race time without mistakes and pushing hard it s possible 35-36m race time possible under 1:10......Why 32 laps ?

If you noticed Attila drove Cooper POOL3 most fast than Ferrari POOL1 1,5 sec.....so if one take Cooper T81B the race can finish after 33-34m  ???




Why problem with tyres ???  With race fuel lap after lap I m going to improve. 

It seems to me that the only problem could be with lapped drivers, the track is short and corner1, corner2 and corner4 are blind !

Race length changed to 36 laps

I think I'll miss this one - about 15 seconds off the pace  :P , no time for further practicing and still/again over 30° C outside  :boat:

CU next week - have fun.

Well, you're about 15 secs off Ziu's pace - not sure that counts  ;)

Sounds hot though; where in Germany are you located Kurt ?

Cheers,
Erling

Miles off the pace, also with blind corners I'm giving this race a miss.

Replay and results now posted

Loved the track, but not the race..  :-\

With handicapping and ever increasing alien presence, 4th on grid was the best I could do.  Bad start - no matter what I try, I always crawl slowly off the line in these cars. Really puzzled about how some of you manage to fly off the line like fired from a slingshot  ???  Goldtop made an even worse start however, so I managed to pass him, only to promptly lose the position again, when the car in front of me bogged down.

On L2, I ran wide in a corner and let John & Bob past.  Being behind Bob made for some very hairy moments.  He braked much sooner than I anticipated, and I had several cases of absolute panic braking, trying not to hit him  :o  Clive joining the fray behind us didn't make it any less hairy.  May have worried Bob enough to simply let me past after a few laps - seemed that way at least, as I would normally not be able to pass his quicker car on the straight. Thanks Bob, if it was indeed the case.

Lonely laps followed, as the track ahead was clear, and the gap behind steadily growing.  About midrace, it started dwindling again - fast. Presumed it was Franky, having slugged his way through the rest of the field, after going off on L1.  Sure enough it was him.  Hate having aliens behind me, so simply pulled over and let him past at the start of the straight.  Quite annoying then, that he fell off on the next lap, once again winding up behind me.  He didn't fall off all that much, and soon was up my tailpipes again.  Debated with myself whether to let him past again - there are limits to my free gifts!  :)  Problem solved however, when I put an inside rear wheel on gravel, making the rear twitch and sending me wide in the corner.  Thus he got past in 'natural' fashion.

More lonely laps, until the final 6 laps and only enjoyable part of the race.  Was reeling in John, as I chased him as bloody hard as I could on my worn tyres. Sadly ran out of laps before I got close enough for a challenge.

Grats to the podium and John for not cracking towards the end.  Commiserations to those that met with misfortune.  Thanks to those I lapped, who all went out of their way to make the passes easy.

Cheers,
Erling

Well, a bit of a mixed bag for me, somehow I finished 4th but that was largely due to the misfortune of others. Qualified 5th somewhere in the low 1:11's. I had seen a few 1:10's in practice but even a PB may have only possibly moved me 1 place up the grid.

I managed to get my usual lightning start only to as usual have to hit the brakes as Erling was a bit slow out of the blocks so actually lost 3 positions and was 8th by T1. Settled down in the pack and saw Franky lose it on the exit so was back up to 7th. Then managed to pull off a move into T5 which took me past both Clive and Bob so was suddenly up to 5th and feeling good.

Onto Lap 2 and Erling went wide into T3 and I found myself in 4th and chasing Goldtop Settled into a nice rhythm and very slowly made ground when a few laps later he ran wide into T2 and I was up to 3rd and chasing Geoffers.

At this point it all began to fall apart a bit when I over cooked it into T5 and had to use the barrier to slow down. It was only a glancing blow but once I got back up to speed down the straight it became apparent all was not well with a slightly off centre wheel position and a knock being felt through the wheel. It didn't seem too bad though and I though "I can manage this no problem". Continued to just about keep pace with Geoffers for the remainder of the lap once I was back up to speed and only a slight tendency to oversteer on right handers. Onto the next lap and Geoffers ran wide into T1 and suddenly I was 2nd (A long way behind Ziu but still 2nd).

As the laps unfolded I could see Franky making a concerted push back up the field behind and Geoffers was also making ground on me. Around mid race I was having big problems with T5 needing to increasingly brake early and feather the throttle on the exit and Geoffers started to close rapidly. I knew a pit stop to repair damage would put me nearly to laps down so persevered and after a few laps of basically being in Geoffers way T3 also began to feel less predicable as the tyres wore down and I went went wide at T3 and he was through putting me back to 3rd.. I could see Erling and Franky having a tussle behind and that at least meant if I concentrated on my lines they would run out of laps before they added me to their battle. Unfortunately Franky managed to break free and was on my tail only a few laps later. I spent 2 laps with him up my A$$ and decided it was all going to end up in tears if I continued to resist so waved him through with about 5 to go. Erling continued to eat into my advantage and had the race been a few laps longer he would probably have had me as well but fortunately I saw the flag with him still about 1.5s behind.

Thanks all, it was a blast as usual, Congrats to Ziu, Geoffers and Franky for the podium.

TTFN
John.
 

I was about 15 seconds slower than AI which was around 1:10, Aliens are always faster than AI  ;D

Live near Bonn and really dislike the continental summer http://www.dmi.dk/vejr/til-lands/byvejr/by/vis/DE/2946447/Bonn,%20Tyskland (http://www.dmi.dk/vejr/til-lands/byvejr/by/vis/DE/2946447/Bonn,%20Tyskland).
The dream is living at the seaside, but no way with my employer relating to a home office. Spent three sunny weeks in northern Denmark in June and climate there
is much more pleasing for me  :).

It has been a race how Silverstone, the only difference is that i drove with three eyes here at Mosport, one on the track, one on the Cooper and one on the sky up my house hoping not rain badly because here when happen so there is a big possibility to get a blackout !!!!

However it has been a good race for me after many time but honestly against Cooper not hope for me, Franky solved this problem for me since the start and during the race also from what i could see on replay.
It s also true that it was very difficult track for get the limit without make any mistake !!!! In facts i never tryed during the race to push hard, i got my best lap just because my Ferrari was loosing weight burning fuel.

About Cooper I would be curios know my limit. I m several months without drive it........nostalgia ?  No !!! I love my little Ferrari, me and these little great  car are bonded by now.

It s clear that at Monza my positive series on this championship it will braked. Honestly i think to finish out to podium the next race. The gap will very large among who drive POOL1 and the others...........but it s also true that Geoffers is third now and as required by the script it will battle among me Geoffers and Erling........ ;D

I wanted conclude saying that on my previous post I have not criticized the lapped drivers but I have criticized the layout of these track because it could be a problem on some corner, and in facts yesterday i risked to ram a McLaren (Bob ?) I dont know who on the first corner but the problem is born because the corner. Thanks at all lapped drivers for cooperation.....here was very difficult. I hope that no one has misunderstood my words, if it was so I ask apologize at all.

Grats to Ziu Geoffers Erling and John on some stunning race pace. Big apologies to John, as he appeared to get caught out by my braking on a couple of occasions.

I just cannot get hooked up with these GP cars no matter how I approach them. Although the cars in question are the same models that I have been racing for over 10 years in GPL, there is no comparison and they might as well be Star Wars jet racers!! lol

Maybe the Honda is not the "best" of the cars (but I have always been a fan of this monster) although as Goldtop showed, it can be made to go much quicker than I can manage.

 After my best laps at Mosport, I am beginning to find that I hardly need the brakes, such is the grip level in these cars, and I can turn in and keep some power on and gradually feed in more power until the traction begins to complain.........still not fast enough to trouble anything except the scenery!!! I ended the race with 100% engine health and soft tyres still in the green, so I am definitely not exploiting things to the max.

I would be interested ( OK let's be honest here, I am getting desperate!!!) to hear how some of you faster guys are setting up these cars and how you are getting those laptimes. It maybe that I just need to find much more practice time with these cars, because like most races I might test my server connection a day or so before, and then just turn up and practice right before the actual race.

Lol, thanks for the link to DMI's weather forecast :D   Too hot for me also - like my own better  :) http://www.dmi.dk/vejr/til-lands/byvejr/by/vis/DK/3210/Vejby,%20Danmark/

Have friends living in Germany just outside Trier.  One smart thing you see in Germany, that we don't have here, are shutters for the windows. Seemed great at keeping the heat outside their house, when I visited them during summer.

Clive: I'm no setup whizz by a long shot, and yesterday felt like a snail compared to the fast guys.  Have only tweaked minor stuff on the 66 Ferrari.  If I'm in any way quick in it, it's mostly because its basic handling is so sweet. In comparison, I absolutely hate the 67 Ferrari, so much seems to depend on the car in question (or an ability to set it up)  Have tried emulating the setup for the 66 on the 67, but it still handles like a dog, at least in my hands.  Been a long time since I've driven any of the faster cars, so can't say if the minor stuff I changed on the Ferrari would work on those too.  Need to get home and check, before I can say exactly what I have changed, if you're interested in knowing.

Cheers,
Erling

Really enjoyed this track and spent many enjoyable laps in Roguk's company and latterly with Evil. However I made a mistake at Moss and glanced the barrier at a ridiculously low speed which upset the steering. I pitted perfectly but had to wait age's for my lazy crew to fix the suspension. Pulled away from my box and on entering the track received a stop/go penalty for speeding in the pit lane (which I dispute). Gave up at that point. Looking forward to Monza though  :)

If Ziu could check my lap estimates for the remaining circuits it would be most appreciated  :thumbup1:

Wasn't expecting much from this as I had zero practice laps before turning up. Initial laps were not promising & I struggled to keep the car on track. Qually went a bit better as I got used to the car again. The more I drive these cars the less I like them, wish they were a bit more like the real ones, i.e. slower!  :D

Anyway the start nearly caught me by surprise & I had barely got half revs as the lights changed, but rather than crawl off the line the car hooked up really well & as I put my foot down I shot past the front row & was right on Ziu's tail. Kept him in sight for a few laps with GT not far behind before a couple of small mistakes dropped me 4-5s behind now with Jeep in 3rd. Gaps ahead & behind gradually grew before a couple more mistakes at the 'hairpin' & then an off at T1 which dropped me behind Jeep.

Gradually reeled him back in but he went off before I got close enough to attack leaving me in a clear 2nd. Should have held on to the end but I lost 4-5s on successive laps with silly mistakes & Franky caught me with 3 laps left. Held on until at the final turn before starting the last lap I ran a little wide onto the grass & Franky went through. No chance to get the place back as Franky & the Cooper were much faster through the turns & by the time we reached the straight where the McLaren was faster he was too far ahead.

All in all, just pleased to reach the finish & podium was a bonus

Congrats to Ziu & Franky,  :clap: :clap: cya all next week.

PS: Keep your eyes out for a new NG GTL series on Wednesdays based on the 1963 World Sports Car Championship, coming soon!!! Hopefully we can interest a few of you guys in some extra GTL racing.  ;D

It s a pleasure Tony, but i have a better idea!
I think that would be better define the duration of a race not with the time but with the kilometers so we can have a championship more homogeneous. In F1 one all races during 305Km......

EXAMPLE....Monza 5,793  then 305/5,793=52,6....correct 53 laps

About our races we finish after 40 minutes......so i calculated 135 Km............Example Kyalami 135/4,104=32,89.....33 laps
                                                                                                                       Mosport 135/3,957=34,11....35 laps
obviously the race time depend from the track layout but i think that we could a window between 38-43 minutes  ;D ;D ;D, because also you need consider also lapped, accidents spin.........for example yestarday i win but Cooper was the best car, so it s possible that Franky could finish after 41 minute and not 42 minutes as me.

It s more easy so choose also the time based on mileage if you decide to make an endurance race  ;D.

Obviously could be exceptional cases as Montecarlo......in F1 the duration is 278 because one F1 race have limit 2 hours and 305 Km would be over this limit.

If you accept this idea i can help you with this calculations if you want.

I forget......of course what i said is just for F1 67, but not difficult calculate Km races for other car series  ;D

Results (https://googledrive.com/host/0BzUpS2smyYQ_R0pGcEJmcExZTkE?ltmpl/index.html)

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Thanks, as always Kurt  :thumbup1:

Forgot to say in my brief race report.....My dash changed to Ferrari again  ???

Didn't do it in online praccy, just in race. Most odd.

I think we'll stick to race length by number of laps. But thank you for the interesting suggestion.

Ehmmmm.....Tony, It is the same concept that you apply but we can say that this method is more fast and precise.

Congrats to the podium and all the finishers of this race. I think I should have followed Bill's lead and just stood down for this race.  Sorry to all those I got in the way of.  I really didn't know you were behind me Erling for those 3-4 laps.  Too busy driving to look in the mirror, and when I did it was on the long straight and you were way back there because the Mac is a rocket getting to speed.  Race went OK till lap 29 or 30 and then had a off and into the fence and the suspension was gone.  Made a lap crippled to the pits for a fix but while there Roger passed me and I was the last one on the track so just drove to the end........Maybe next race will be better at the Italian GP, hope so.  See you all a Bryar.

Bob M.