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Title: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 24, 2015, 12:25:47 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=495&theme=5)

(http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w324/wiltshire_tony/monza_zpsg9yhfzoa.jpg)

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Track: Monza GP (1960's) Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_monza60s)

Cars allowed: 1967 F1 carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_f1_1967)

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Car choices

Championship position (CP) 1st to 3rd. Any car from Pool 1.

CP 4th to 10th. Any car from Pools 1 and 2.

CP 11th to 18th and new drivers. Any car from Pools 1, 2 and 3.

POOL 1

Ferrari 312 (1966)
BRM P83
Honda RA273
Brabham BT11

POOL 2

Brabham BT20
Cooper T79
Lotus 43
Honda RA300
McLaren M5A
Ferrari 312 (1967)

POOL 3
 
Eagle T1F
Brabham BT24
Eagle T1G
Lotus 49
Cooper T81B

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (30 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
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Autopit="0"
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Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Geoffers on October 10, 2016, 09:07:39 PM +0100
Apologies to Erling, don't know what happened there. Got a wheel slightly on the grass & suddenly I hit something invisible.  ???

Sorry again. Was good race up to then.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: [DTR]_Franky_Leone on October 10, 2016, 09:29:05 PM +0100
Hi. :)
Nice race ;D, my outings give it shame  :wetfish:
I met with tire track impossible to avoid and finish the race, bad luck :scared:.
Congratulations to the podium. :clap:
Regards.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 10, 2016, 09:40:37 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted

Congratulations to Ziu who is our first F1 '67 Champion.  :notworthy: :clap: :thumbup2:

2nd place goes to Erling  :clap: :clap:

3rd is still to be fought over with two races left to decide things. Good luck chaps.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on October 11, 2016, 07:22:28 AM +0100
Apologies to Erling, don't know what happened there. Got a wheel slightly on the grass & suddenly I hit something invisible.  ???

Sorry again. Was good race up to then.

Geoffers, i think it s a defect track, on practice i had the same problem so i decided to make my setup with a little understeer to avoid to close too the first corner. The instinct bring us to close because is a speed corner so the only solution it was to drive with understeer also if it was tiresome on Lesmo corners, less on Parabolica because the input is more slow, or better still it helped to have a cleaned traction.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 11, 2016, 10:04:26 AM +0100
Well, a third place was unexpected. (but I'll take it). Just call me Verstappen.

Couldn't decide between the McLaren and the Ferrari which in testing looked like my two best choices. I had taken the McLaren before and as this was Monza decided on the Ferrari. As the race progressed I became faster and faster and worked my way up to sixth but never able to catch Frankie or the very quick guys. Then three retirements took me up to third place. For once I was able to reach the chequered flag with no drama's or off road excursions. Lapping Kurt gave me a moment as on the straight down to Parabolica he twitched to the right just as I decided to pass him on the right. Could not of missed him by much! Remainder of race was just a cruise to the line.

Congratulations to Ziu and Erling on their respective 1st and 2nd places in the Championship. Also commiserations to Geoffers and Erling for a fluke incident which is impossible to plan for.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: SpecialKS on October 11, 2016, 10:11:53 AM +0100
Lapping Kurt gave me a moment as on the straight down to Parabolica he twitched to the right just as I decided to pass him on the right. Could not of missed him by much! Remainder of race was just a cruise to the line.

Me too  :o :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Erling G-P on October 11, 2016, 02:04:00 PM +0100
Apologies to Erling, don't know what happened there. Got a wheel slightly on the grass & suddenly I hit something invisible.  ???

Sorry again. Was good race up to then.

No worries Geoffers, as Ziu says, it must be a track defect, and you definitely didn't hit it on purpose  :) (I hit it offline too, so stayed clear during the race)

Expected the Ferrari to be at a disadvantage on a power circuit like Monza, so surprised to be 3rd on grid.  Didn't see Franky make a bad start and be replaced by John, so thought it was Ziu & Franky I was chasing. Thus very confused when I turned on driver tags after several laps, and discovered it was John.  Where did he come from - and where the h... was Franky ??

Ziu got past John, and I got closer to him at one point. Behind me Geoffers was closing in.  Had to back off momentarily, for fear of colliding with John. That did nothing to help me stay ahead of Geoffers, who eventually passed me on the entry to Parabolica. Quite humiliating actually - he's never driven the Ferrari before, cobbles together a makeshift setup in the 11th hour, and while I beat him in qual, he thrashed me in the race.  Guess that's the difference between alien and mere mortal..

While I chased after Geoffers, the driver behind - Franky presumably - chipped away at my 5-6 secs lead, a couple of tenths each lap.  I did mental calculations about whether I could stay ahead till the end, if we continued at that rate. Problem solved itself however, when Geoffers hit the invisible obstacle, and his car seemingly exploded in front of me. No chance to avoid the debris, so my race ended there too.

Grats to podium and especially Ziu for the Championship.  Looks like 3rd is up for grabs by several drivers, so the last races should be exiting for them  :)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Bob M. on October 11, 2016, 04:04:17 PM +0100
Grats to the podium and my team mate Ziu for winning the series championship.  Not a very good race for me, but it never is with these cars,  too fast for the old guy.  Also had a problem with my shifter, and I use sound more than I should I guess.  Sometimes it would work OK and then it would miss a shift and mess with my head.  At the start I bumped it into first and at the green hit the throttle and dumped the clutch and nothing!  Still in neutral.  Why don't these things happen during practice? Then a while later going into the last turn, no downshift so overshot the corner and messed up the chassis.  Made it around to the pit and fixed it which put me 2 laps down I think.  Coming out of the pit"s I got behind Tony and followed him for a number of laps, then lost him due to the shifter again.  Had a couple of close calls with Kurt coming back on the track on the last turn that I overshot.  Wasn't trying to take you out, honest!!!
Gotta get the shop vacum out and blow the shifter out again.  Inherited a big black fuzzy cat from our grand daughter (apartment is a no pet place) and I'm sure he is the culprit.  Hates me but loves the wife so he has a home for sure.  Again grats to the top guys.......

Bob M.

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: SpecialKS on October 11, 2016, 06:59:30 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/F1_67 60Monza 10102016)

 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 11, 2016, 07:05:41 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/F1_67 60Monza 10102016)

 8)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

BTW Where was the evil one?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: SpecialKS on October 11, 2016, 07:20:28 PM +0100
I think he mentioned over at NG that he's on a 2 week vacation  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 11, 2016, 07:20:53 PM +0100
Lapping Kurt gave me a moment as on the straight down to Parabolica he twitched to the right just as I decided to pass him on the right. Could not of missed him by much!

Me too  :o :D

(http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w324/wiltshire_tony/Near%20miss_zpshlrle4ad.png)

Said it was close  :o


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Geoffers on October 11, 2016, 10:49:01 PM +0100
Quite humiliating actually - he's never driven the Ferrari before, cobbles together a makeshift setup in the 11th hour, and while I beat him in qual, he thrashed me in the race.  Guess that's the difference between alien and mere mortal..

To be honest Erling the Ferrari was dead easy to drive compared to the BRM I started with, far more grip & much better brakes. It was just a case of altering the brake bias, a couple more notches on the rear rebound & sorting tyre pressures & gearing. More time with the BRM would have got it fairly competitive but default setup is all over the place, nearly undriveable.

Although I have got faster over the years, I am far from alien. There are guys who no longer race GTL who were streets ahead of me. JohnW over at NG beats me every time & in certain cars you are far faster than me as is Ziu.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on October 12, 2016, 07:31:41 AM +0100
Quite humiliating actually - he's never driven the Ferrari before, cobbles together a makeshift setup in the 11th hour, and while I beat him in qual, he thrashed me in the race.  Guess that's the difference between alien and mere mortal..

To be honest Erling the Ferrari was dead easy to drive compared to the BRM I started with, far more grip & much better brakes. It was just a case of altering the brake bias, a couple more notches on the rear rebound & sorting tyre pressures & gearing. More time with the BRM would have got it fairly competitive but default setup is all over the place, nearly undriveable.

Although I have got faster over the years, I am far from alien. There are guys who no longer race GTL who were streets ahead of me. JohnW over at NG beats me every time & in certain cars you are far faster than me as is Ziu.

Yes you are right Geoffers, you are far from aliens because aliens are beheind you light years......and i m right when i say that you are an ace  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Erling G-P on October 12, 2016, 05:41:47 PM +0100
Quite humiliating actually - he's never driven the Ferrari before, cobbles together a makeshift setup in the 11th hour, and while I beat him in qual, he thrashed me in the race.  Guess that's the difference between alien and mere mortal..

To be honest Erling the Ferrari was dead easy to drive compared to the BRM I started with, far more grip & much better brakes. It was just a case of altering the brake bias, a couple more notches on the rear rebound & sorting tyre pressures & gearing. More time with the BRM would have got it fairly competitive but default setup is all over the place, nearly undriveable.

Although I have got faster over the years, I am far from alien. There are guys who no longer race GTL who were streets ahead of me. JohnW over at NG beats me every time & in certain cars you are far faster than me as is Ziu.

Yes you are right Geoffers, you are far from aliens because aliens are beheind you light years......and i m right when i say that you are an ace  ;D

I concur  ;D

Jokes aside; I'm not sure it makes me feel better if you're not alien - that only means I'm even more inept at driving the darn Ferrari I've been in for most of the series..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Erling G-P on October 12, 2016, 05:43:27 PM +0100
Quite humiliating actually - he's never driven the Ferrari before, cobbles together a makeshift setup in the 11th hour, and while I beat him in qual, he thrashed me in the race.  Guess that's the difference between alien and mere mortal..

To be honest Erling the Ferrari was dead easy to drive compared to the BRM I started with, far more grip & much better brakes. It was just a case of altering the brake bias, a couple more notches on the rear rebound & sorting tyre pressures & gearing. More time with the BRM would have got it fairly competitive but default setup is all over the place, nearly undriveable.

Although I have got faster over the years, I am far from alien. There are guys who no longer race GTL who were streets ahead of me. JohnW over at NG beats me every time & in certain cars you are far faster than me as is Ziu.

Yes you are right Geoffers, you are far from aliens because aliens are beheind you light years......and i m right when i say that you are an ace  ;D

I concur  ;D

Jokes aside; I'm not sure it makes me feel better if you're not alien - that only means I'm even more inept at driving the darn Ferrari I've been in for most of the series..  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Jeep on October 14, 2016, 12:56:37 AM +0100
Well, if ever my late arrival and hence my low rating in the championship was going to pay dividends today was that day.

Surely I had a chance of a victory at Monza in the Eagle?

Wait!. What the hell was Franky doing in the Cooper T81B on pole. Sheesh, The realisation of where I was in the food chain hit home at that point. Qualified 4th behind all the usual suspects but with the bonus of Geoffers surprisingly some way behind.

Got a blistering start, If you have ever seen me trying to haul a GPL 67 car off the line you will appreciate my surprise when I got the jump on all in front of me and headed down to Curve Grand in 1st place. Actually pulled out a short gap for the 1st few laps before the whine of Ziu's Ferrari became a reminder that I was actually in a race. By lap 3 he was all over me and I think our differing set up's were causing him some headaches, I am very much a slow in fast out kind a guy but Ziu was fast in, Fast during and fast out and a few times He got a lot larger in my mirrors than I think either of us was comfortable with. In short it was obvious I was holding him up any time a corner was thrown into the equation. At the end of lap 3 I ran a little wide at the parabolica and he was through with me right on his gearbox. The superior speed of the Eagle made regaining the position on the run down to Curve Grand a formality and I was back in the lead but (Obviously ) it wasn't to last and finally at the end of lap 7 he re passed me and this time made it stick. Tried to stay with him but was also aware that the Erling/Geoffers battle was also something I couldn't ignore as they were alao within spitting distance of my coveted 2nd place. A few time Geoffers came very close and had he been on a different line to me might well have squeezed through but I managed to stay ahead while also trying to keep Ziu honest. Then I saw both Erling and Geoffers tumbling down the order. I assumed they had a coming together but later found Geoffers had hit the invisible object on the inside of Curve Grand unfortunately taking Erling with him. I had hit it also during practice so gave it a wide berth during the race.

This put me some way ahead of 3rd and gave me chance to plot my attack on Ziu but in fact I ended up just sitting there appreciating his skill. I got about as close as I could by Lesmo 1 but through the Lesmo's, Ascari and the Parabolica he just pulled away. I did my best to keep him honest in the vain hope that he might make some mistake I could pounce on but he slowly extended his lead and by the end I was about 3.5 seconds adrift.

Thoroughly enjoyed it though really glad to keep it on the black stuff for the whole race. Really Congrats to Ziu, Having had the chance to watch you drive as one of the chasing pack all I can say is very well done, I had a lot more straight line speed than you at Monza but still your car control through the corners was 2nd to none. I am not worthy....

Congrats to Tony for the remaining podium spot. I guess I need to put the Eagle in the garage and work out hoe to rive one of the other beasts before the next race.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Monza - Oct 10
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 14, 2016, 09:00:32 AM +0100
Nice race report John  :thumbup1: