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Title: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 24, 2015, 12:33:10 PM +0000
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Track: Watkins Glen 60's Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg203765#post_watkins67)

Cars allowed: 1967 F1 carset Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_f1_1967)

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Car choices

Championship position (CP) 1st to 3rd. Any car from Pool 1.

CP 4th to 10th. Any car from Pools 1 and 2.

CP 11th to 18th and new drivers. Any car from Pools 1, 2 and 3.

POOL 1

Ferrari 312 (1966)
BRM P83
Honda RA273
Brabham BT11

POOL 2

Brabham BT20
Cooper T79
Lotus 43
Honda RA300
McLaren M5A
Ferrari 312 (1967)

POOL 3
 
Eagle T1F
Brabham BT24
Eagle T1G
Lotus 49
Cooper T81B

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (42 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 11, 2016, 04:23:02 PM +0000
No. off laps reduced from 40 to 30. Thanks Ziu  :thumbup1:

EDIT: Revised to 42 laps, sorry for the confusion  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Erling G-P on November 11, 2016, 05:50:31 PM +0000
No. off laps reduced from 40 to 30. Thanks Ziu  :thumbup1:

Why - is it supposed to be a 30 min race ?

Just to be sure; it is the same Watkins variant we've just been on in the Trans-Am series ?

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on November 11, 2016, 06:23:29 PM +0000
Tony you dont understood me, i wanted said to you that 40 laps was few, 42 is right. Pole is under 58 seconds, race pace is 58 seconds. But i m not sure could be more fast i have try some thing even on my setup. The key is corner 4, the problem is that the tyres get good temperature after some laps then the car could be some understeering if i solve it i think to earn 0,5 seconds but is very difficult. These track has few corners "resources" for me the only point where make a good lap time is corner 4 but need delete the understeer and this is the real challenger !!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 11, 2016, 07:31:02 PM +0000
Apologies Gent's. I was at work and I only speed read Ziu's pm to me. That and translations issue's got the better of me. Laps now set to 42.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 11, 2016, 07:33:28 PM +0000
Just to be sure; it is the same Watkins variant we've just been on in the Trans-Am series

Yes it is


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on November 12, 2016, 07:24:31 AM +0000
Tony you dont understood me, i wanted said to you that 40 laps was few, 42 is right. Pole is under 58 seconds, race pace is 58 seconds. But i m not sure could be more fast i have try some thing even on my setup. The key is corner 4, the problem is that the tyres get good temperature after some laps then the car could be some understeering if i solve it i think to earn 0,5 seconds but is very difficult. These track has few corners "resources" for me the only point where make a good lap time is corner 4 but need delete the understeer and this is the real challenger !!!

It s clear that i got this lap time with Ferrari 312-66, but who can drive POOL3 cars  on these track will have an advantage of 1 second. Usually this advantage is more large but Watkins Glen 67 is very short track with few resources.  I dont tested any Pool3 cars but i m sure in theory about these difference.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: roguk on November 14, 2016, 01:00:53 PM +0000
 ::)  42 laps ( Pole is under 58 seconds, race pace is 58 seconds) going to try to leave work early get some praccy in on server so not to be lapped tooooooooo many times, still looking forward to race thou  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 14, 2016, 09:42:03 PM +0000
Results and replay posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 15, 2016, 12:48:28 PM +0000
Rather quiet race for me again. Early doors I was in fifth place but unable to keep up with the lead four drivers. Jeep soon caught and passed me and he soon disappeared into the distance to join the lead group. Comfortable lead over Bob and Roguk so just enjoyed the car and track combo which I thought was one of the best of the series.
Now just Mexico to go............


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Geoffers on November 15, 2016, 01:01:41 PM +0000
Rather quiet race for me again.

Same here :(. Jumped from 4th to 2nd at the start & that was about it. Ziu disappeared over the horizon & those behind kept a safe distance! Only real excitement came when I happened across Bob's car in the middle of the track. How I missed him was more a matter of luck than judgement.  :o

Congrats to Ziu on yet another 67F1 win & to Jeep on a fine 3rd place.  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Erling G-P on November 15, 2016, 02:13:47 PM +0000
Tough race for me yesterday.

Late in qual I was in 4th-5th place, but in a final kamikaze stint, I somehow shaved 0.6 secs off my pb and thus landed 2nd on the grid  :o  For the life of me I can't figure out how to get fast off the line in these cars, so bound to lose places at the start.  Line abreast with Ziu, but he shot off, with Geoffers in tow. Clive had a look, but stayed behind, while John rather rudely barged through, only to run wide and hand back the position.

Down the 2nd straight, Clive frustratingly just powered past in his Lotus. I seemed to have the edge in the corners though, so it was the start of an intense chase over the early laps.  By staying close, I got a tow on the straights, preventing Clive from getting away. Couldn't pass though, as the engine was already screaming its head off.  Some hairy moments, because I couldn't see my brake marker down the main straight, when I was so close to Clive. Desperate (too)late braking, combined with sheer willpower was all that prevented me from taking him out. If Clive happened to look in his mirrors during those moments, he would have been able to count the stone chips in the snout of my Ferrari..  :scared:

While all this took place, I also had to fend off the advances from John, who was back and looking for an opportunity. Clive finally clipped a kerb, spinning off. Nice, then I could concentrate on getting rid of John, or so I thought.  Not so however; having lost my Lotus-tow, I had even more difficulty shaking him off, even when driving above my abilities. Ran wide in the final corner eventually, opening the door for him to pass. Tried to hang on, but more mistakes from me soon gave him a gap of some 5 secs.  Try as I might, I couldn't close the gap. Scratching my head over this - if I could beat him in qual, then why not in the race. Only after we finished did I realise he was in a 67 Ferrari, and thus had a material advantage, at least on paper.  Hats off for being able to exploit it though - I would have been slower, as I hate the 67 Ferrari just as much as I love the 66. Back in the start of the season, when I had access to more cars, I tried in vain to make it handle as well as the 66; no matter what I tried, it still handled like an understeering dog.

Also had to keep an eye on Clive, a few secs behind me, in case he staged a comeback.  Around halfways through, he started to drop back (tyre wear maybe ?), so no more threats from behind.

Grats to the podium  :clap: :clap:

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: EvilClive on November 15, 2016, 02:57:43 PM +0000
[quote author=Erling G-P link=topic=13472.msg254314#msg254314 date=1479219227

Down the 2nd straight, Clive frustratingly just powered past in his Lotus. I seemed to have the edge in the corners though, so it was the start of an intense chase over the early laps.  By staying close, I got a tow on the straights, preventing Clive from getting away. Couldn't pass though, as the engine was already screaming its head off.  Some hairy moments, because I couldn't see my brake marker down the main straight, when I was so close to Clive. Desperate (too)late braking, combined with sheer willpower was all that prevented me from taking him out. If Clive happened to look in his mirrors during those moments, he would have been able to count the stone chips in the snout of my Ferrari..  :scared:

[/quote]

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 and on each lap I was cursing at Erling's ability to brake so deep into the corners!!!!! and pull back any gap that the Lotus pulled out on the straights  :-\ My tyres were fine and the softs were barely showing any wear, so the setup must have been "in the zone".
So, I tried to brake later and later to match him, until I took it 5 mtrs too far and lost the rear end. After that I was trying too hard and braking too deep ( still trying to work out how Erling was doing it!) instead of driving smoothly. A few more mistakes dropped me back, but with a large cushion behind I could cruise to the flag and even had the luxury of allowing Ziu to lap me 50 mtrs before the flag so that I did not need another lap.
Despite the mistakes, this was the best race for me thus far in these GP cars. At least I had some pace even if it was not enough to trouble the fast guys.

Grats to Ziu, Geoffers and John, but a thousand curses upon Erling for making me think he was a wizard on the brakes!! Although he must have been pretty good because he never went wide or stuffed it into the hay bales..............so he must know something that I don't!!! ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: roguk on November 15, 2016, 04:15:36 PM +0000
Poor race by me just could not find the pace you guys had, lap 5 Bob and i had a touch which sent me over the fence at the loop no problem as rejoined down the back straight, thanks for waiting Bob poss my fault as braked a bit early, but car was damaged so had to pit for what seemed ages and watched you all go pass 4 times.

Grats to Ziu on win

Grats to Podium


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on November 15, 2016, 04:38:43 PM +0000
Thanks all for nice race evening, what i can say that i had some problem with tyres temperature on the start and and after mid-race, the car was good but not perfect.
I m not so much happy with myself about qualy because on my best lap i was -0,167 on T2  but i made a mistake on last corner, i braked too long and i lost the perfect apex.
About qualy i wanted  apologize with one driver Ferrari 312-66 (Erling, Geoffers, Roguk?) i dont remember who.......because i passed him during fast lap i had good speed because also me i was on my fast lap, if i disturbed someone of this drivers, sorry.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: SpecialKS on November 15, 2016, 09:59:31 PM +0000
Crashed out at a very early stage on my "favorite" spot for doing it ... ::)


Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/F1_67 Watkins Glen 14112016)

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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Erling G-P on November 16, 2016, 10:06:19 AM +0000
... but a thousand curses upon Erling for making me think he was a wizard on the brakes!! Although he must have been pretty good because he never went wide or stuffed it into the hay bales..............so he must know something that I don't!!! ???

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry about the misleading ;D   Not much wizadry I'm afraid; rather more a demonstration of the 66 Ferrari's benign nature, allowing a dufus like me to abuse it like I did.. ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 16, 2016, 10:13:11 AM +0000
Crashed out at a very early stage on my "favorite" spot for doing it ... ::)


Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/F1_67 Watkins Glen 14112016)

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Thank you for the results Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Jeep on November 16, 2016, 10:07:41 PM +0000
Well, it was with a heavy heart I bid a fond farewell to the Eagle and I have to say the Ferrari came as a bit of a shock. "How the hell do I get this barge to turn"? Not the nimble Italian Stallion I was expecting at all.

Initial laps were in the 1:04's and it took a complete evening to adjust the set up so that it at least gave the impression the steering wheel was actually connected to the road wheels. After replacing the front roll bar with a bit of string I found at the bottom of the tool box and substituting sponges for the front springs followed by loosening the diff somewhat I finally felt I was making progress, putting soft rubber on the front and hard on the rear and I now had a car I could throw into a corner and power through with the mildest hint of over steer.

I felt pretty good on joining the server until I found Ziu had been lying to us all and his 1:58's were actually 1:56's and I then realised that this was going to be a long night.

Qualified in 5th with a high 1:57 on race fuel sandwiched between Geoffers and Bob.

The lights went green and we were off. I find these really easy to get off the line when compared to their GPL equivalents and made up several places through T1 & 2 then seemed to lose all front end grip and started to under steer as we went through T3. Having to back off, brushing the barrier and losing all my momentum and dropped back to P7 by the entry to loop. Got back past Roguk on the back straight and then Tony ran wide into the final corner and I was back where I started by the end of the lap.

Set off after Erling and Clive who were having a ding dong battle ahead and was with them by about lap 4. It was difficult to see if Erling was being held up by Clive or he was driving the wheels off his Ferrari trying to sty in touch and the three of us circulated very close for quite a few laps, I was caught out a few times by either missing my braking point or being caught out by the early braking of the two in front. (Usually it's me scaring the bloke behind with my early braking antics). So I sat there watching lines and looking for somewhere I could possibly exploit later in the race.

Towards the end of Lap 11, Clive caught the inside curb at Big Bend and exited stage right with a bucket full of over steer and Erling and me were up a position. I was surprised when Erling didn't steam off into the distance, so yes, he was driving the wheels off the Ferrari to stay in Clive's slipstream. Made as big a nuisance as I dared over the next 4 laps or so until finally into the final turn on lap 14 Erling ran wide and it was then a drag race down to T1, I had the inside line and could hear him but dare not take my eyes off the road ahead. As we swept towards T2 he suddenly appeared very big in my mirrors ans I finally knew I had the racing line.

Managed to slowly extend my advantage over the next few laps while trying very hard to made some inroads into Geoffers lead who was around 10 seconds up the road. The gap between Geoffers and me stayed about the same and I slowly increased my advantage over Erling. By Lap 30 I decided I was going to throw it at the scenery if I continued to try to catch Geoffers so backed off a touch to maintain the gap back to Erling and hoped for a mistake by Geoffers but it was not to be, he extended his lead to around 14 seconds by the end and I managed to keep Erling about 5 seconds behind.

So a great race for me overall. This track seems to suit these cars really well and I had a blast as usual. Although initially a bit sceptical regarding these I've really grown to like them a lot and hope it's not the last we will see of them. Too much grip definitely, Too fast yes but oh so close to being just about spot on.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Jeep on November 17, 2016, 12:55:43 AM +0000
Hi Ziu,

It was a joke. :notworthy: Probably got lost in translation. Just put it down to English sense of humour.  :D

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 16 F1 1967 - Watkins Glen - Nov 14
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on November 17, 2016, 05:39:30 AM +0000
Hi Ziu,

It was a joke. :notworthy: Probably got lost in translation. Just put it down to English sense of humour.  :D

TTFN
John.


Not problem Jeep I understood :D, I removed my post.