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Season 29 Works Trophy - Round 09 - Monza

The penultimate round of this season will be held at the legendary and well known Monza circuit. The Autodromo Nazionale Monza is a race track located near the city of Monza, north of Milan, in Italy. The circuit's biggest event is the Formula One Italian Grand Prix. With the exception of 1980, the race has been hosted there since the series's inception.

Pelle Buchner and Robert Fleurke are the main contenders for this season's Works Trophy, with Peter Antonsen still having an outside chance.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_9
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 21-02-2016
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 34 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

Replays Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season29/Grads_Works/)

Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=511&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=511&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

YEAH, Monza Monza Monza...my favorite  ;D

...but, there is a place you can see how many Tokens you have left to the last 2 race ?
You should even know it yourself, I fear spending too much  :o

Edit: Oops, now it pops up  ;)

hover mouse pointer over your points total on the championship standings page.

I clicked the button to enter the car. The screen went black, then the cursor appeared, and then to the desktop. :(
That sucked.

I wasn't expecting to make this one, so to find I had a minute to spare and quickly joining the grid in stand-by mode was a result  :).

However, the setup I used was way too conservative and found it made my Eagle understeer like the titanic. Great fun racing with everyone though, until I binned it just before half race distance.

Just another reminder that there's no substitute for practice  :)

Grats RF on win and the season championship, and if my math is right, grats Pelle and Gis who locked the runner-up spots.

In qual I was well off my pb, but car was handling predictably, and matching my pb would have only been worth two spots in this fast crowd anyway. So, on to the "how not to start a race at Monza" bit:

Felt like a good start, but Doni shifting right spooked me a bit (not implying any wrongdoing there, I'da done the same), so I lifted just the tiniest which put me quarter spin, facing the pitwall while watching rest of grid go by in mirrors. :pullinghair:

But with patience, consistency, and a bit of luck not getting involved in others', all the way up to P6. Clive managed to claw his way into my draft, making me push a little harder, and guess the rears got melty. Sorry for clumsy in the Lesmos lap 26, glad we escaped w/ no damage.

Chasing him down after that, pushed the exit of Para just a bit too hot 5 laps to go, clipped the rail, spun into outside = two wheels gone bah.

The server replay cap isn't available at this writing but I have had a cursory look at my save.

Profuse and sincere apologies to Dean for putting a scare into you off the grid.  I realized the peril of my maneuver and checked it but too late for you to realize.  My bad.  Apologies again...

Had practised a lot in the Lotus, and put quite some pressure on myself for this race. Also it's the birthday of my late dad, which made it a bit special. I might have clinched the championship playing it safe but really wanted to win today! When Iestyn announced he'd attend the race it made me extra nervous  ;)

Struggled in quali to get in a sub27 lap, but managed to get in a good lap and it was also a PR! After that only tested my racesetup for a few laps. Also a great sub27 for Attilio, who sadly blew up after the start...not the luck you deserve mate, hope you will race again next season with better luck on your side ;)

After the start already had a half a second gap, for a while Iestyn got closer, but was able to manage a safe gap that grew to 3s at the end. Basically we had the same pace, but the start gave me the victory. Also it has to be noted Iestyn ran without practise. Still very happy with the win today, and finally winning the Works Trophy after being 3rd and twice bridesmaid :)

Great race Iestyn, and well done Pelle. You were a great rival this season and at some tracks unbeatable ;) Thanks all for racing, looked like a good race overall! :)

Commiserations to the retirements, especially Attilio, and Greg :(

That sums up my race too. I got 30 mins practice in before quali & was never really happy with my setup but I managed to get it better during quali.
Was too cautious in the opening laps & finally got it wrong & put it in the wall at Curva Grande which started the end of my race.

Grats Robert on the title & all finishers

Guess what! Piston! :D

OK I have a really heavy right foot, but it was towards the end of the race, where one just can't expect such problems to occur... Up till that point it was a good solid race, thought a bit slower than I hoped. But I even had company, so it was definitely fun.

Grats Robert on your victory and championship!

Big Grats RF...& with Championship  :thumbup1:
...great speed here at Monza & throughout the season, to win every other race  :o
Of course I would have liked to win, but I'm proud of my comeback that I am so far ahead.

Practice:
Must admit, trained too little up to this race...setup was safe, but too slowly.  :-\

Qual:
3rd...oops, ID strike me down to 4rd in the last sec  :laugh:

Race:
Oops Artiglietti, it was a short pleasure. Tried to press ID on the first lap, but on the other hand...why not let ID put pressure on RF...I knew anyway I was too slow against RF in Lotus. Drove my own race & could only hope a accident/engine/fuel would get me further up...but RF & ID makes rarely errors.
Grats ID...good to see you back  ;)

Another mistake & because too little practice. After the race, we ran a lap more...made burnout & I still had fuel for 5 laps more, my car was too heavy throughout the race  ::)

Too bad for them, where it went wrong...before Green  :(

Thank you all for a fun day at Monza  :thumbup2:

Next:
Bathurst...this is exciting, the second place go to TEAM-GTLDK...& win the Team Championship  :whistling:

Grats Rob with the win and the championship!! clearly well deserved clinching it with a win and still a race to go!  ;)

Not much to say about my race, I guess now I know how it has felt for Alonso in his McHonda last year :-P But clearly the Ferrari can go faster, didn't get my setup right, so alot of understeer which really hurt me through T1.. Had some fun small duels with some people coming by after going off, but could make no real impression on anybody..

Good to see Iestyn back on track with us ! :-)

Server replay uploaded, mine ended after I went wide at Curva Grande and overturned. Am very race rusty but was good fun while it lasted.

Congratulations to Rob on the championship - I didn't realise you had not won before.
Great to see that UKGPL has strong support after so many years  with a full grid. I guess you never get bored with places like Monza.

First and foremost sorry to Clive for missing my braking point and side swiping you into Lesmo 1.  I was following Sam and the rest of you and somehow misjudged it, possibly the other cars obscuring the light patch on the racing line.  No excuse though and I was pleased to see you could continue.  Hope your car wasn't too banana shaped.

A few laps later I lost it on the brakes into the same corner and ripped a wheel off.

Some cracking times up front, can't possibly compete!  WD Rob for the title.

I did a praccy race the night before and some offline before the server came up.  Given I'm useless at setting-up the car I tried a Wilke setup, which was rather nice, if a bit lively on the back end.  Unsure of how much to over inflate the tyres I blindly increased all 4 by 1 psi  (taking them to 21 & 22 psi) and immediately went quicker.  Was gonna try some more but didn't have time.  What were you guys running?

Cheers,

Bob

Cheers guys :)

This was my quali setup, for race used slightly lower tirepressures, 50% brakebias and a slightly taller 4th and 5th, plus more fuel. Only used 3-4-5 gears.

Congrats Rob, Iestyn, and Pelle! And congrats to Rob for winning the championship!

It looks like a lot of fun was had with a few exceptions.

I was looking forward to this race. It was the only race this weekend I felt well prepared. 26 laps in qualifying with no spins and my only contact being a light graze against the rail between the Lesmos. Any other mistakes, such as getting a little sideways, were always early in the stint before my tires were well heated. Plus my four fastest laps in qualifying had no speed shifts. :) I was stoked for the race!

Qualifying was fun and exciting. My first stint, I went out with no regard towards the engine's well being. It failed with two or three laps of fuel remaining. I was quickly out again for another. I ran low on fuel after exiting Parabolica on my second stint. That annoyed me a bit. Axel was .03 ahead of me. I didn't want to start behind him thinking he'd hold me back in the early laps. I went out for a third stint. It was going well. On my last lap of fuel, I was green in the first two sectors with 1:27.29 showing for an ideal lap. Two crappy shifts after exiting the Lesmos and my engine failed a second time. What a heartbreaker! Well, less than 8 minutes to go and I'm still determined to start in front of Axel. I miscalculate my fuel and load one gallon more than I need with the time remaining. I cross the line with less than 30 seconds in qualifying. Entering Curva Grande I see an Eagle halfway on the track near the apex of CG. I take a chance and hope it won't move further onto the track. I widen my line a little bit and fly by Clive with no more than inches to spare. Luckily I didn't lose much time in the first sector and I'm still able to nip Axel by a tenth. Yes!!!

I see that Attilio didn't make it much further than I did in the race. :( That would have been a difficult situation for me starting behind him with his engine explosion. My absence helped reduce the likelihood of an early catastrophe since it provided more room for everybody else to maneuver. My only hope would have been an excellent start that allowed me room to move right.

I looked at the paces' of the other drivers in the race. Pelle, Tris, and Axel wouldn't have had an easy time dealing with me. Most of my prerace practice was done on race fuel.

I hate that I missed it. I was curious as to whether I could temper my enthusiasm. I was a little worried it might get the better of me and I'd destroy another engine. Other than that I felt very good about my chances for a good race.

These discos are getting frustrating. I'm likely to give up if they continue with such frequency.

Thanks guys.

Lol, thanks Rob, wasn't certainly the luckiest of the seasons, but these are the joys that GPL likes to dispense at times, and ultimately I drove poorly pretty much everywhere, so shouldn't really complain too much.

Many congratulations for the long overdue win in Works, with a hat trick in a very quick race and on a very special occasion, they don't come better than this! You really improved massively since I last raced you, in speed, consistency and racecraft, hats off  :o :o. Will try to be a better challenge next season  ;D ;D

@ Bob: I use metric measurements, I don't understand this English waffling  ;D ;D Psi were  145 with 148 on the RF, springs 137/170 F/R, roll bars 275/247 F/R, toe -254/178. Really nothing special at all, a stable easy to drive setup, that gives you confidence under breaking. In my experience Monza looks easy but it is not really, after your times plateau, every tenth you want to shave is like pulling a tooth and requires a lot of laps of practice.

Grats to podium and finishers as well, a very hard driven race Iestyn, after my early demise I stayed on and enjoyed watching your battle with Rob, seriously quick and consistent laptimes  ;D ::)!

See you at the next one guys 

Practically the exact set up I had in the Privs race except for your gear ratios  which I cant make sense of .
Yet such difference in speed ? makes me want to quit GPL and sell my wheel  :'( :'( :'(

Monza Full Report (http://www.gpl1967.dk/GPL/Replays/UKGPL/Replay/S29Monza/index.html)

RF: What program do you use to open your setup with?
I found this: GPL Setup Manager  ;)

...& there is one now who can tell me, why I'm too slow. Yes I know one of the things was that I had 6 laps too much fuel.  ::)

Pic Monza Eagle Setup (http://www.gpl1967.dk/GPL/Replays/UKGPL/Replay/S29Monza/EagleMonza37LapsMpic.jpg)

@ Pelle:

First, I use GPLSM 2.2.0 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=8378). It supports most mods. Also I notice your gearings do not show right in the graph, for some reason (even though your parameters are right).

I don't think a setup makes the difference. It's just having a setup optimizing for one's driving style. You seem to use stiffer setups with stable diff settings. That's OK. I drive more over the rear wheels, and you probably drive more over the front wheels. You probably are able to enter faster, I might be able to carry more speed out of a corner, in general...I like to run as soft as possible, and looking for 24psi hot pressures for the front, and  about 26psi for the rears.

Also I'd say practise makes perfect. Even when I have quite some experience now, there is no substitute for practise, as some stated in this thread. My improvement at Monza came mostly by improving the Lesmo section, and arguably my Para exit. Then again, I had the Lotus. Only natural talents like Iestyn can get away with a lack of practise  :P

Best thing to learn from others is to compare laps for example in GPLRA merging laps, and/or comparing data. That's how I try to learn from faster guys...hope this helps somewhat ;) Then again, you have a better ranking than me :D

@ Attilio: thanks for your nice words, finally someone noticed I did improve! :P When I started again back in S26, you were the benchmark for me. It's great to still be improving and learning, and having quite some guys around who do the same :)



It's basically your driving and lines that makes the difference, optimizing a setup helps to get the final tenths...

PS: Bernie, to get the final gearing ratio's you need to multiply with the gear differential (3,1 - 10/31). GPLSM does only export the gearing ratio's in itself, not the final effective ratio's (multplied by gear differential, as seen in game). Exporting setup file in game might be better. I might assemble a setup pack again, but sadly lost most of my setups from last half year when my HDD failed.

Hi....not driving Monza since.......don't remember :) .....arriving whith absolutly no training ( just finishing F1Legends race)...so it was fun as usual in Monza and no desapointed result for me....

Bravo Rob ;)
....podium and finishers.....

Got down to a respectable 2:28:75 using the same gearing but a different suspension settings !

Probably useless as a race set up though because the engine temps are in the red most of the time  ::)

 

1m28.75s I guess, nice one Bernie ;)

For race I used final gear ratio 3.97 for 4th, and 3.35 for 5th (10/31), to prevent engine temps getting too high...also shifting slightly earlier will help ;)

Congratulations on the race victory and the Works Champion Title!  WOOHOO!  I'm not surprised in the least.  I knew talent when I hired you on at the oAo.  ;)

Not my finest hour at Monza.  Trying to side-step Bob's slow-starting Eagle, I veered wildly over to my right and took up some of Dean's road.  He half spun and fell to the tail of the field.  Geeezzz...  Sorry, Dean.  May I commend you on your brilliant recovery to run P6 in the late going til that side-swipe of the Armco exiting the Parabolica put paid to your efforts.  Hardly justice.

I had two spins...the first involving Peter's Ferrari; he tried to cut low just as I moved to get off the line; BANG!  Sorry, mate...that set me back and I just couldn't get the Lotus to handle as I wished.  GPLRA sites some damage but I think that the understeer through the Curva Grande was deeper set than just some minor prang.  Gotta work on that.  Chased Evil in the final stages...he had adventures of his own!...but couldn't hang on.  All in all, lucky to finish P7.

Mod report published. Again an impressive display of the Works drivers. Very impressive start, especially taking in account Attilio blew up. Dean was unlucky.

PS: thanks to all for congratulations!