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Title: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 17, 2016, 08:23:02 PM +0000
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Round 2 of a new 6 race series using the Lamborghini Gallardo.

Track link here:-
http://www.virtualr.net/aosta-assetto-corsa-3-4-2-released
Configuration as the race banner

Booking: From 19:15 (BST) (60 mins)
Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qual: 20:30 (15 mins)
Race: 20:45 TBC Laps(approx 30 mins)

Cars allowed:
Lamborghini Gallardo S3

Track: Aosta Grand Sport
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Server: simracing.org.uk
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

All drivers must be booked in to race before booking closes at 20:15 UK time.

IMPORTANT:
-The PLP app VERSION 1.8 - will not be used

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct name


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: spanner on March 20, 2016, 12:21:06 PM +0000
Why have you stopped with PLP? Last race it was in, this race its out!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: spanner on March 21, 2016, 08:31:22 PM +0000
In whos world is this a nice car?? i can tell after struggling to do an outlap that this is not for me, the track needs a good handling car!

Its this road car content which is why i can take or leave AC.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Sutol on March 22, 2016, 05:49:58 PM +0000
This car is over powered for this track even on a very low boost setting, it's very hard work. The last corner is a case of lightly feathering the throttle (well it is for me) otherwise I'll hit something hard. Any tips you can spare would be gratefully received.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 22, 2016, 08:23:49 PM +0000
I'm surprised people are struggling with it  :-\ I'm no driving God yet I didn't have any problem using the stock setup with stock boost.
I may bench this car and revert to the easier F458 for future rounds as I'm overwhelmed with compliments for the Lambo  :P though the Gallardos would be great at Monza.

The Gallardo was used in the Super Trofeo racing series for one or two seasons, so it is 'race able' and legit.
Like all powerful cars you need to put some laps in and adjust your driving to suit, not just go guns blazing, fall off repeatedly and get frustrated. Build up the speed.
http://squadracorse.lamborghini.com/en/europe/news/

Plp wasn't felt necessary for low numbers and no real gain v risk advantage to be made from cuts on tracks so far.  Easy enough to watch a replay and punish any repeat cutters (not meaning peeps who run wide trying to control the car)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: spanner on March 22, 2016, 08:49:03 PM +0000
I just have no feel from the road cars and there tyres and just get understeer all the time, it doesnt matter what car you run i will still hate it! there level of grip and performance doenst match what i consider they should do.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 22, 2016, 10:59:40 PM +0000
And you base that on what real world experience exactly? And why post in this thread if you pre decided you don't like any of the cars available?  ???
Everyone's entitled to their opinion mind. :)

I've driven or been driven in a lot of high performance cars on track and road for nearly 20yrs (though no hyper-cars) so at least I can benchmark my own experiences/feel against the feel I get in a sim, and AC is still definitely the best racing sim for feel that I've ever used, though no doubt not perfect.  That's also why I personally think RR is awful.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: spanner on March 23, 2016, 07:10:18 AM +0000
Because we have tried most of them already!

Its more a sense of perspective, when you game is marketed as an ultra hard core sim it comes with certain expectations and they tend not to match up with my expactions for car performance from years of sim driving. I dont feel RR is trying to reach the same level with some pretty crucial stuff missing from the car setups and so enjoy it as something less so. I dont have to worry about the car handling to n'th degree i can just enjoy it as a fun racing game witch has some posititves compared to others, the sound, ffb, camera movement telling me more

We all do this for different reasons. I want to enjoy the racing not necessarily the driving. I've dropped out of races because there was no one within 30s each way and coudnt face another 30mins driving.

I guess much like F1, yes the cars may be the best engineered, fully simulated but that doesnt always promote good racing as the difference between peoples abilites gets amplified. Simpler cars allows for a better chance of people to race at similiar levels!

Anyway i'm not trying to rubbish AC, I've had some really good races in it but these tend to be the racing cars where the higher grip allows for greater resistance through the wheel and for me not get too punished for overdrivng past the limit where i get a greater awareness of grip/slide rather than the difference between little grip/ very little grip. I dont profess to be a good driver!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 23, 2016, 08:25:59 AM +0000
Fair enough assessment, sims are definitely an each to their own in terms of feedback/feel. Get the idea that half the time it's the way the sim transmits that feel through various controllers. Good drivers like Goldtop love RR yet with my hardware it felt terrible with no feel through the steering at all, no matter what I tried.
I find most of the cars in AC give me great feedback and so I can push on better and feel whether a car is under/over steering.

So...do you guys want to run the F458 instead of the Gallardo tonight and future rounds? I don't mind as I haven't had any time for practise yet  :-[


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on March 23, 2016, 10:46:20 AM +0000
I can see what you are saying Spanner. For my DFGT i get better feedback with the proper race cars. Possibly altering the deeper FFB files would improve things, but i am hesitant to start tinkering and making it worse for the few races i can do weekly. I did notice a box to "enhance understeer effect"? Haven't tried it for being an effect ;), but maybe it would work for the street cars?

I am cool with continuing with the Gallardo as much as switching to the F458. (thats not a very helpful anwser for you MJ, still..)
My son was driving the Huracan Super Trofeo last week. Maybe also a good replacement drive?..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: picnic on March 23, 2016, 06:18:58 PM +0000
Can anyone give me a rough lap time? I need the laps to start the server!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: picnic on March 23, 2016, 06:39:09 PM +0000
Sorry couldn't wait any longer :( I found someone claiming a 1:36 on the Internet so you've got 19 laps.

Enjoy.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 23, 2016, 07:27:42 PM +0000
D'oh sorry Pete, forgot I hadn't set the lap count yet  :-[

Thanks for sorting the server, though sounds like I might be on my own  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 23, 2016, 09:07:25 PM +0000
this series seems jinxed from the start, no doubt helped by all the positive feedback  ::)

Tonight, only 4 bothered to race and to compound a dire evening, the wrong track configuration was loaded. Don't know if it was me calling out the wrong config or Pete loading the wrong one, but it wasn't the layout I tested. This was the horrible twisty version with two hairpins, more suited to go-karts than Lambos.
Sorry to say but I gave up after 5 laps as it wasn't a race, just 4 cars trying to wrestle round it with big spacings between the four. Rubbish, and my apologies.

Not sure I can muster the enthusiasm to continue for such low turnouts, but a car swap will entail next with F458's.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: picnic on March 24, 2016, 07:34:46 AM +0000
Sorry it was the wrong track layout but the CFG file has Grand Sport selected.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on March 24, 2016, 08:03:33 AM +0000
Don't feel bad about it MJ. You made the effort to organise something and fwiw i had a lot of fun wrestling the crazy Lambo around.
What happened to Mark E btw?

Although the tight hairpin was a bit of a challenge i felt more at home here then on Mugello for some reason. Seems you need to adapt to the crazy amounts of power first of all. Had a good scrap with Chris for most of the race. He was on lower boost, but was faster through the corners. Provided some interesting battles. Good fun.
Maybe this Lambo is a bit too erratic and will a nice and slow F458 :angel: provide a tighter pack. Bring it on.

Your last E30 series was a success. I am convinced having a series running will ultimately attract more drivers.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Sutol on March 24, 2016, 08:45:41 AM +0000
Yep no worries Mark, simple mistake tbh, there are so many different Aosta layouts available.

I enjoyed the race, although I had PLP turned on and I got some strange cuts which probably made up for the mahooosive cuts I was making else where and not getting a penalty lol. Stef you were out gunning me on the straights but I was nipping at your heels on the corners. The trouble was if i had to brake mid corner to avoid a collision I was in spin city! You made your car very wide!! Had to do a drive through in the end as I would have been disqualified. Happy to continue with the car so long as we can avoid tracks with lots of twisties, boy I got a full workout last night - better than going to the Gym.

Cheers Chris


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: Mark J on March 24, 2016, 10:23:13 AM +0000
Yeah bit of a disaster last night, I accept full responsibility  :-[
I tested all the various configs of Aosta and picked the one with less tight corners and hairpins. But alas I then picked the wrong layout a couple of weeks later when I was manic in real life (still am!) and because I've been so busy I didn't recheck or practise for this event, so was surprised to find the wrong layout when I turned up last night. :wetfish:

Although the Lambos would have been able to properly stretch their legs at Monza I am going to switch this series to using the more user friendly f458 to encourage closer racing  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: FullMetalGasket on March 25, 2016, 09:28:01 AM +0000
After about the first 10 minutes I really enjoyed Aosta if I'm honest, it didn't suit the cars really (Although T1 was great when you absolutely nail it!) but that was part of the perverse fun for me  :)

It's just such a shame we have a tiny number of people entering at the moment so we generally find ourselves with no-one to race  :(

With regards to the handling that got brought up - I have had the good furtune to drive a Murcielago on track. Ok it's not quite a Gallardo but they were closely related and can confirm that while they don't feel as heavy as you'd think they should, they do understeer heavily - especially in low speed corners. I didn't have any high speed sweepers to experience sadly so can't comment on high speed cornering.

My own opinion is that the AC car almost certainly handles as per the real deal - just sadly they picked the V10 variant over the glorious sound of god shouting down a megaphone as found in the V12  ;D

Hopefully the switch to the Fez's will attract more people - thank you for organising the series and trying though Mark!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: spanner on March 26, 2016, 05:12:57 PM +0000
Maybe its just the lower grip of the smi-slicks or something inherent to AC but i get alot if issues with my pedals. So it gets very unpredictable and when the accelerator is on through the corner the car just constantly pushes on all the time. It only does it when coming off the pedal, havent noticed it accelerating down the straights. And i also get the brake spiking on ocasionally down the straight.

I tried to record it using my phone and was going to post it up.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 1 Coppa dItalia - Aosta - Mar 23
Post by: FullMetalGasket on March 26, 2016, 08:39:12 PM +0000
G25? I used to get that with my Clutch pedal in GPL.
I just moved the deadzone a couple of clicks up and it cured it for me.
It's not a proper fix as I should really replace the caps - or whatever encoder Logitech used - but it has never come back in the 3 or 4 years since I did it.

There are 2 possibles to sort the car pushing on.
One is driving aids, you might have been driving with TC and SC turned on (TC was certainly on by default on line) : they really do a good job of stopping the car from getting out of control but as a result they cause a distinct lack of response.
Turning them off and only leaving ABS turned on Gained me about 2 seconds at Mugello and roughly 1.5 here at Aosta, the problem then becomes one of limiting drift and managing tyre temps. Especially at the higher boost levels  ;D

The other option might just be that you haven't unsettled the car enough before applying the throttle, these Lambos seem to like a fair bit of rotation to overcome the 'pushy' nature of the AWD  :)