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Title: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 13, 2016, 11:06:52 PM +0100
Season 29 Joe Shaw Memorial – Round 6 – Zeltweg

Please note the change of track & handicap rules

This will be the  sixth race of the Joe Shaw Memorial series 2016,  but the third ‘championship’ event.

The series will be run over a 10 race format with a warm up event in 65 cars on Tuesday, followed by a Championship race in original 67 cars on Sunday evening.

This Sunday we visit the 1971 version of the Osterreichring at Zeltweg. We were originally scheduled the race at Borovaya. There was a multiple disco at Boravaya for the 65 race on Tuesday. I’m not suggesting we blacklist Borovaya but a change of venue seems the safer option. I’m also led to understand that T1 at Borovaya is something of a crash magnet.
This race is for championship points, with period scoring; 9 points for a win, 6 for second, 4 for third, then 3, 2 & 1. A points table will be published after the third race.

We will be running Pro damage settings with the 67 car set. In a slight change of rules there is no handicap but a gentleman’s agreement that the fastest drivers should take a slower car. I think we are all grown up enough to know who the fast guys are.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 17-04-16
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zeltweg 71 (http://ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Zeltweg71)
Race length = 25 laps
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30 minutes

Gentlemen’s rules apply, although reported incidents will be moderated.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 14, 2016, 12:20:47 AM +0100
Thanks Billy, good decision IMO.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: DLogan on April 14, 2016, 12:35:37 AM +0100
...There was a multiple disco at Boravaya for the 65 race on Tuesday...

Which has happened at most if not all the tracks we run regularly. We'd have a very limited selection if we banned tracks at the first sign of trouble. I'm having difficulty coming up with ONE track where I haven't seen a multiple disco (Papy originals included) in some league or other.

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...I’m not suggesting we blacklist Borovaya...

Why not use this opportunity for a further test, with a good number of runners yet outside of a regular season? If Tuesday's misfortune for a few is going to be our guide to the stability of this track, how is Boro ever going to make it into a season schedule? Aren't you in effect blacklisting it right now?

As for the "light" version (thanks Rob for making it available), did it improve matters for anyone? I didn't use it, and had no problems (aside from T1  ;)).

edit: just checked, and we've run this track three times previously with NO disconnect issues mentioned. a bit knee-jerk to change at this time IMO.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 14, 2016, 02:22:52 AM +0100
Technically this was a mass screenfreeze.

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Made a lighter version, which helped to gain a few FPS offline with 19 AI cars, however online I kept having screenfreezes/FPS drops just like with the original, lower resolution or less graphical detail settings didn't matter

It will not fix the screenfreezes I'm afraid, and I stand by Billy's decision. Better play safe with more reliable tracks. In the 65s race I used the normal Borovaya though since being on a higher end system right now. I have heard more reports about screenfreezes, Iestyn also mentioned it I think in chat.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: DLogan on April 14, 2016, 02:40:37 AM +0100
Technically this was a mass screenfreeze...

One such event in four runnings of this track should not be a death-knell for such a fun track. Yes, I like this place, even tho I have yet to make it to T1 in a race here without being airborne, backwards, and upside down. Put it in the "questionable" category, and use this opportunity for further testing (with a near-full grid, probably), without compromising anyone's championship season.

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...Better play safe with more reliable tracks...

Can you name any GPL track that has never had a mass disco/screenfreeze? I'm coming up empty. As a GPL racer, I accept that such things happen, they happen to all eventually, and deserve to put into the "that sux" folder, where they are left while we move on to the next event.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 14, 2016, 07:32:34 AM +0100
Dean, you may be right. The 67 races score points for the Joe Shaw memorial. There are 5 scoring races & no dropped scores. Under the circumstances I think it best to use Zeltweg.
Personally I quite like Borovaya. I expect we will have a couple of pre-season warm ups for the 1966 50th anniversary season where we can givr Borovaya another chance.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 14, 2016, 04:56:31 PM +0100
Technically this was a mass screenfreeze...

One such event in four runnings of this track should not be a death-knell for such a fun track. Yes, I like this place, even tho I have yet to make it to T1 in a race here without being airborne, backwards, and upside down. Put it in the "questionable" category, and use this opportunity for further testing (with a near-full grid, probably), without compromising anyone's championship season.

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...Better play safe with more reliable tracks...

Can you name any GPL track that has never had a mass disco/screenfreeze? I'm coming up empty. As a GPL racer, I accept that such things happen, they happen to all eventually, and deserve to put into the "that sux" folder, where they are left while we move on to the next event.

As I said, there have been reports of screenfreezes at Borovaya before (even by myself which I forgot). Most tracks will not have mass screenfreezes. Original tracks will not have mass screenfreezes, maybe mass disco's, but that would be a connection/server/router problem which is unrelated to screenfreezes and tracks AFAIK. Also most add on tracks will be fine.

Also we should take advantage of different league tracklists that report problems for specific tracks.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Tom van Ostade on April 14, 2016, 05:01:46 PM +0100
1966 Can-Am's at Borovaya, sign me up!

Borovaya has extreme draw distance values. You could edit them using the 'FB Adjust' program by Strava. That would get rid of the low frame rates (which could be the source of the freezes) but you would loose the ability to see the other side of the track at start/finish and vice versa.

I've never had a screen freeze before at Borovaya. I HAVE had two at Zeltweg 71 ;D . My two cents, I think that with a low draw distance 3do to solve fps problems, Borovaya might be more stable than Zeltweg. Heck, Zeltweg 71 was made because of screen freezes with earlier Zeltweg versions. I do like the track though.

Tommie.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: DLogan on April 14, 2016, 06:15:31 PM +0100
...Original tracks will not have mass screenfreezes, maybe mass disco's...

I've never distinguished, due to the same result, and have probably been guilty of mixing the two up, due to ignorance of the difference.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 17, 2016, 09:41:53 PM +0100
Sorry Bastian, I was always going to drift to the right on the run down the straight and hoped faster cars would pass me on the left.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Doni Yourth on April 17, 2016, 09:42:03 PM +0100
Monumental vision problems from the get go.  Like driving thru fog.  I decided to park it before the inevitable.  :(

Just in time for the start of Long Beach, at least!  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Samb on April 17, 2016, 10:25:04 PM +0100
I had a brilliant race, until a few laps to go when I made an absolute pig's ear of the Bosch Kurve, hit the wall and found myself facing backwards. An innocent Clive not far behind had no where to go and the resulting collision ended his race  :-[. Deeply sorry about that Clive, was really enjoying that battle with you all race long.

Somehow I still had four wheels attached and landed right side up but my car was very much down on power. That made me a sitting duck to Carlos, who look 3rd spot from me with a lap to go.

Many congrats to Iestyn, Rob and Carlos for rounding the podium  :).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: GregT on April 17, 2016, 10:53:17 PM +0100
Were the 3 previous races at Borovaya run at 36 fps? 60 fps seems to increase the likelihood of discoes/screen freezes? I've raced there multiple times and never saw much if any problem, but all those races may have been at 36 fps.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: GregT on April 17, 2016, 11:07:42 PM +0100
Congrats Iestyn, Rob, and Carlos! Nice job guys.

That was fun. A little better setup and it would have been better.

What a crowd in T1! I think Tim lost it? Unsure if I had a car to the right, I stayed left. I'm so glad Tim didn't come back on the track. It would have been ugly.

I'm glad everybody could avoid me when I spun at Tiroch. :) I think I overheated my tires in T1 and lost it in the next turn. Dean had me overheating them again but I got lucky he faltered before I did.

I was closing on Sam late in the race. That got me dreaming of the podium. I got too zealous and pushed the Honda engine to the point of no return.

Nice job by Carlos to outlast all the Hondas he had to deal with throughout the race.

Thanks guys.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 18, 2016, 09:46:59 AM +0100
I don't very often drive pro settings & it shows. The engine packed up on lap 10 even though I don't remember pushing it. So far I have bent a Ferrari & blown an engine on a Brab & an Eagle in this series. Still have two more chances to wreck something. I see the BRM hasn't really slowed Rob down. Impressive podium by Carlos in a strong field.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: EvilClive on April 18, 2016, 09:50:12 AM +0100
I had a brilliant race, until a few laps to go when I made an absolute pig's ear of the Bosch Kurve, hit the wall and found myself facing backwards. An innocent Clive not far behind had no where to go and the resulting collision ended his race  :-[. Deeply sorry about that Clive, was really enjoying that battle with you all race long.

Somehow I still had four wheels attached and landed right side up but my car was very much down on power. That made me a sitting duck to Carlos, who look 3rd spot from me with a lap to go.

Many congrats to Iestyn, Rob and Carlos for rounding the podium  :).

I actually found 30 minutes to practice for this race, something I rarely find time to do lately! Usually I use the qualifying session to get myself sorted.
The result was a Honda that could be driven on the limit and what was more important was that it was predictable. Could not quite match my best offline time in qually, but 4th on the grid was OK.
Iestyn was a bit sluggish off the line in his Coooper and my original plan to tailgate him through T1 and stay safe had to be rapidly modified. The Honda got itself moving nicely and I was almost forced to move alongside Iestyn and into dangerous territory for T1. I think ( hope) that my momentum carried me clear of Iestyn and allowed me to take the inside line into T1 and follow Robert and Cookie down to T2.
I was content to sit back a little from the battle for top spot and watch, rather than get involved too early in the race. A good plan I thought, but it soon became apparent that Axel and Robert were not hanging around and they were setting a cracking pace. Any thoughts of cruising along in 3rd spot were quickly dismissed and I found that I had to push hard just to keep the gap sensible!!
Sam had got himself into 4th and was also close enough to take advantage of any mistake that I might make....so the race was well and truly ON!!

Then Iestyn got his act together and wound up the rubber band on his Cooper. He was soon on my tail and making things very uncomfortable for me...the swine! I had just about decided to let him pass and let him tow me up to the pair ahead and he passed me anyway, only to run wide a lap later and let me back through. The speed of his recovery was a shock and he was back on my tail inside half a lap, and I had been pushing hard!!
I eased just a little to let him pass and followed as he wrestled the Cooper through the corners.
By now Sam was within 100mtrs and looking a threat. the rest of the race was spent trying to force the pace as much as was safe to close on the leading trio whilst not making any mistakes that would give Sam the opening he wanted.
Then Axel blew up and Iestyn and Robert started a titanic battle ahead, but I could not quite find the pace to join in....but I was trying!!! Then I missed a braking point and ran wide. Sam was through along with Greg and Carlos....rats!!!

The red mist descended and I set about recovering some places in the last 10 laps. Greg over stretched his Honda and Carlos made a small mistake and I nipped through. Sam was ahead and in sight with about 6 laps to go, and I was closing on him.
Everything was at 100% for the last laps in an attempt to get to Sam, then entering the Bosch Curve there was a Honda parked facing me right at my wide apex point!! :o
I was so committed to my pace and line that there was no way to stop my car and no chance of getting it to turn any tighter.. everything was "on the limit of adhesion". Sorry Sam but there was nothing that I could do and I simply ran straight into your stranded car. Looks like I got flipped onto my head but you were able to limp home, no worries on my part.
It could have been a 3rd place behind our resident uber aliens, but instead it was a DNF. What it was, was a cracking race and a fitting tribute to Joe, he would have enjoyed that one!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: bagrupp on April 18, 2016, 09:56:29 AM +0100
Sorry Bastian, I was always going to drift to the right on the run down the straight and hoped faster cars would pass me on the left.

You should have seen me there but It's ok....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 18, 2016, 02:46:00 PM +0100
Was a fun race. The BRM is nice and stable, until you push it and the tires get too hot...

Axel got me at the start, passed me left which was surprising. He covered the line well while leading, but when he made a little mistake out of Tiroch I did the same hitting the bricky kerb. In hindsight that was the reason for some oversteer in the left turns. When Iestyn cleared the Honda's he gained a lot on us and closed up. Then Axel touched the kerb in Hella, and both Iestyn and I got by on the outside. Tried to hold him off, but pushed too much instead of driving clean. Then into Tiroch I made a mistake going sideways, corrected but accidently touched the left paddle (it's more like a button on my MSWFF wheel) and shifted down. Just managed to keep it out the fence but lost spots to Iestyn and Axel, and some time. Axel retired after bending the suspension I think in Bosch. Gained a bit on Iestyn, I gave my best, but he managed the pace and put in some fast laps late race...

Great race overall with plenty action throughout the field! Grats Iestyn, and Carlos for a great podium! :) Commiserations to the retirements...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: FullMetalGasket on April 18, 2016, 05:47:12 PM +0100
Congrats Iestyn, Rob, and Carlos! Nice job guys.

That was fun. A little better setup and it would have been better.

What a crowd in T1! I think Tim lost it? Unsure if I had a car to the right, I stayed left. I'm so glad Tim didn't come back on the track. It would have been ugly.

I still need to watch the replay to see what exactly happened - I think I was trying to ensure I left people space but messed it up! As for staying off the track I stayed as far over as I could to avoid being collected in the event anyone behind got it even more wrong than me! ;D

I spent the next 10 laps pushing ultra hard to catch Clive and Sam back up and was making good ground doing so - then I must have overcooked the RR tire as I simply lost the rear end completely entering the final turn - slide into a wall and lost a wheel.
Game over :(

WD to all the finishers  8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 18, 2016, 10:09:36 PM +0100
Championship Table as follows;
Total after 3 Races
Rob – 21
Iestyn - 11
Greg – 9
FMG - 9
Sam – 8
Evil – 4
Carlos - 4
Gismo - 3
Dean – 2
Andreas – 2
Marco – 2


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw - Zeltweg - Apr 17
Post by: Iestyn Davies on April 22, 2016, 03:21:05 PM +0100
What it was, was a cracking race and a fitting tribute to Joe, he would have enjoyed that one!!!

Definitely agree 8)