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Season 30 Amateurs Trophy – Round 2 – Pau

The Pau Grand Prix (French: Grand Prix de Pau) is a motor race held in Pau, in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques department of southwestern France. The French Grand Prix was held at Pau in 1930, leading to the annual Pau Grand Prix being inaugurated in 1933. It was not run during World War II.

The race takes place around the centre of the city, where the streets are closed to form a circuit, and its 68 runnings have variously conformed to the rules of Grand Prix racing and Formula One, Formula Two and Formula 3000, Formula Three, Formula Libre, sports car racing, and touring car racing.

The winningest driver at Pau is Jim Clark, with 4 wins.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_9
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Tuesday 21-06-16
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = pau67 (http://a.bosco.free.fr/gpl/pau67.htm)
Race length = 34 laps (45-50 minutes)
Variant = 1965
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

Only ONE reset per race will be allowed followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit-lane, within 2 laps.


Replays Available here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/d5uvnl)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=551&theme=6)

Until the number of registered drivers exceeds grid capacity drivers may join the server as soon as it appears in IGOR. Drivers are required to complete 50% distance to score points. This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Never thought I'd ever be moved to stating this...
I prefer Monaco! 

Hehe! In my opinion it's on the same difficulty level, we just don't have the same amount of experience like in Monaco.

I am sorry to miss this race. I will be on vacation at the Frio river at a kids birthday party  ::). My vacation is next week.  8)

Good luck in this round.  

Keep losing the sound on this track then have to use task manager to close the papy window and get back in , very frustrating  ???

I have no idea why you have that problem Bernie, do you have this problem only at Pau? Did you try to reinstall the track? Hope you can solve it.

had same prob a few times. usually a windows error msg or similar behind the scenes

edit: a click of the mouse anywhere, will select the gpl window and return it the front. so no need to exit via task manager

I have lost sound in game after bumping the "windows key" on the keyboard. (Windows 7) I had to pull over to the side of the track to press cntrl + Alt + Del to open task manager. Then close any pop ups, and return to the race.

I am using W10 now, and it does not minimize the game when I press cntrl alt del. I have had some difficulty exiting GPL after screen freezes.

Okay downloaded and installed did 20 laps and agree this track is a twister, and i must be damn slow here the Ai are faster than me.

Re sound problem used to have that, found the cause was my anti virus program now use Avast with silent gaming mode ticked.

Couldn't work out this track. Knocked off a wheel about the time Gareth was about to lap me & decided that I would just get in the way if I took a reset.

4 laps to go. p1. 30+ seconds over p2. Disco'd.  :'(
bloody game! ;D
grats to finshers!, thanks to those for letting me pass easy! much appreciated.
maybe next time

Sorry to hear that Gareth, it may be a by-product of 60fps that it perhaps shows up disconnects more on some tracks than others.

Temporary replay link: https://www.sendspace.com/file/d5uvnl

Really enjoyed my comeback race after a few years away and very happy with second.

Ran closely with bagrupp and Rog for a while and Rog was buzzing about behind me for a few laps while I had a bit too much heat in my front tyres and couldn't push and pull away.

Ended up running on my own for most of the second half of the race but kept concentration and kept it pointing the right way.

Bernie was very accomodating when I lapped him, going so far as to crash and spin to let me past. Typical pie eater.

Good track with a great flow but I wish the last chicane was a bit wider.

I don't understand what happened,  Rick.  You were leader of the race, vers fast.  Impossible for me to return to your wheels.  I was very concentrated,  until the final lap,  not to make any mistake,  and I Did not realize I had won  !
Bastian made me very afraid during the first part of the race,  because your were very fast, and I thought you would eventually overtake. 
Congratulations to all finishers,  thank you to the organizers. 

P4 looked okay to start from, then I misjudged a few manouvers in the first laps and I was down to dead last... It took quite a few laps to regain positions, then I was lapping in P7 for the most part of the race. Others' misfortune gave me another few positions then Gareth's disco promoted me to podium. Something I did not really expect in lap 3. I tried to save some fuel in the last laps, as it seemed I would run out of it just before the finish... Luckily I had enough for a personal best laptime in the last lap, which helped me to hold my position against Bastian.

Congrats to the winner! Thanks all for the race. Sorry to all who suffered from my driving :(

Very hard race for me !
After 2 or 3 laps, a car spun in front of me, and to avoid it I ran into the grass and was blocked by an invisible object... I restarted on the last position.

Then I'll overtake David C,  Billy N. and Kai J when Bernie spun, and made a very bad rejoin on the track, I was blocked between his car and the wall ...and restarted again on the last position.
I spent several times trying to overtake Bernie, I almost lost motivation but finally I was able to overtake.

Congratulations to Phil "Porsche" and to Gareth "poor Toyota" losing a deserved victory on the last lap(s) !   

Grats philippe, desvered win. I was fast but not focussed enough, got tired. Didn't leave enough room for Jani in Lap 1 because saw you too late, sorry for that.
Later, I hit visible and invisble objects, loosing much time and needed my s/r. After the s/r I nearly parked on another car who crashed but was lucky to get down on all wheels again.
Sorry for the scary moment. All in all, 4th is much better than deserved today. Very sorry for Gareth and  respect for Mike 2nd and Teammate Jani 3rd.

Best Regards,
Bastian

Cruel luck for Gareth, yet grats to Phil and podium ;) Thanks Jethro for server duties and replay.

PS: not 100% sure we can run at Assen67, but hopefully the latest sky.mip fix will (re)solve any issues...I have a test at it coming Saturday and will decide after that if the track is reliable enough at 60FPS, having no mass disco's/screenfreezes...

Like some of the others,  I had a spin around the track for the 1st time a couple of days ago.

Managed to get from 1:41 to 1:35 or so,  then trying a different downloaded setup was able to instantly get a 1:31m so was happy with that. Then knocked a further 2.3s off that in qually; although the event was going to be another matter altogether!  Although the AI times were still ridiculous!

During the race, we had some initial team formation driving taking place for a while;  we seemed to avoid taking each other out.
Then I seemed to be having a few lag issues & cars were disappearing/reappearing elsewhere/later.

Around lap10, I seemed to have the track to myself,   but appeared to not be dropped from the server.  Indeed, a lap or two later, I received a server message advising that Billy had disconnected.

I kept going anyway, expecting GPL to boot me out;   but I managed to find other cars on track.
By this time, Prib was out of whack so no idea if I was approaching the back of Bernie for a potential position or not, although I felt a little faster if ragged.

However, managed to sneak past Bernie with PG as he was putting a lap on us.

Looks as though the server replay shows me as disconnected lap9.  My replay shows me crossing the line around 31-32 times,  but presumably the server knows best?


Anyway, this track that initially seemed rather silly;  does end up having a kind of broken flow to it.
Although, it did take me a while to spot the stealth kerbing around the chicane area. Wondered why I kept nearly crashing there!

Cheers all,   not as fun as other tracks, but still good to be out there.
Dave.

Quite a good race for me had some early racing with Miner2049er, then some excellent racing chasing Rick65 until lap 21 when Bagrupp hit me, had to do a shift r then my stop and go, caught back up with Rick65 but lap 28 tried an overtake on inside of bend 2 and we touched making him spin, not sure whether my fault so waited for him which took some time, (not realizing he had been hit by another car and had to do a shift R). Rest of race uneventful but gifted back 5th place when Rick65 had to do his stop and go.

Grats to Philippe on win

Grats to Podium

Sorry you had a disco Gareth, happened to me a lot last season. 

Congrats to Gareth for pole position and race fastest lap time. Terrible bad luck to go out on a disco.

And grats to the Philippe, Mike and Jani for the podium finishes-well done all.

My race started off with a poor start as I bogged down the engine and saw many of you charge on by before we ever made it to Virage de la Gare and when I did get there I stayed a bit too wide and got onto the marbles and ploughed into a hay bale. From there it was a long race but due to discos and other mishaps other drivers experienced I moved up into 4th on lap 27. Then there was the contact at Virage de la Gare on lap 28 that roguk mentioned. For a fraction of a second I thought I might recover but then I was airborne and saw the dreaded static/snow screen and had to do a shift R. I will say Roguk was most sporting to let me catch back up and we resumed our close racing. My next set back was of my own doing when I pulled in for the stop n go. Instead of simply coming to a stop and then going again, for reasons I don't know I actually sat in the pit for several seconds before resuming racing and that was enough to let Roguk overtake me.

And I experienced severe FPS issues on every lap as I approached the chicane. Reminiscent of the severe FPS issues every lap at Brands at T1. My system has more CPU, RAM and video memory than anything I've used in the past but this is the first time racing with the 60FPS patch. And so I wonder if the FPS issues are due to the 60FPS patch and if anyone knows, are there recommended core.ini settings that should be used with the 60FPS patch?

Yes, you need to make some changes in GEM+ graphics settings for 60fps.
- enable VSync!

But for better advice you must give us an idea of your CPU and GPU ::)

The problem with powerfull PC's and GPL is often that it is not recognized as a 3D app! So the GPU idles...

Also, setting the detail to 90-95% instead of 100% might help (some), even with modern systems...

Thanks Robert & Cookie for the advice.

Cookie,
VSync was enabled prior to Brands and here's the cpu & gpu specs as well as a few more bits and pieces:
CPU: Intel i5-3570K @ 3.40GHz
RAM: 16GB
OS: Win7 Pro 64bit
GPU: Radeon R7 200 w/1024MB memory
...nothing overclocked

GEM's Direct 3D v2 settings:
Max Mip Size=0
LOD Bias=0
Toss Biggest Mips=0
32 Bit Graphics [enabled]
Anisotropic Filtering=8
Direct Mirror Rendering [enabled]
Trilinear Filtering [enabled]
Mirror Size = 0
Use ZBuffer& Zbuffer with Grouping

Also:
4GB patch applied to gpl.exe and gplc65.exe
antivirus disabled

Robert,
Detail was set to 98% so I will lower to 90.

I hope its not a Radeon 240D...

try to use OGLV2 and set in AMD CCC trilinear filtering off

It's a Radeon HD 7750.

The  AMD CCC has no trilinear filtering settings unless they are identified by some other term, i.e. tessalation? I use an older ATI driver version 6.14.10.12618 because newer drivers cause GPL to crash everytime with openGL in Win7.

I can run a newer ATI driver in Win10 with openGL without crashing but I've read Win10 downloads system updates and many other things which use some portion of system resources and does so at times of it's own choosing and therefore I've not bothered to risk using it for racing. Do you know anybody getting good online racing FPS with Win10?

My frame rate was dropping off to 30 and less in places and mostly was bad when in close company with other cars .
Prib was also "off air" so any lappery came from watching the flag man wave the blue , which pretty well meant most of the field .

Sorry to Rainier for the "incident" but at that time you were not in sight to me , I had no idea at all you were there or that this had happened until I was prompted to watch the replay by your report . I did reverse to regain the track but had left room on the inside of the corner for any cars following on the correct line , unfortunate you chose to go around the outside as I was recovering .   

Ran out of fuel on the last lap , too late for pit stop ? not that it would have made a difference to my finish position .

Enjoyed the racing and the track in spite of all .

Grats to the podium , welcome back to Mike ( I will try to make thing a bit harder for you next time )  ;)

Is it OK for Assen TT ?

Philippe,
The selection of track is the decision of the Moderator (Robert). If Assen is not reliable we will probably drive at Zandvoort.

I have replaced Assen67 with Zandvoort. Assen67 has proven to be too unreliable (at least at 60fps, 67 mod). I will post the racethread tomorrow or Wednesday.

Mod report published. Please report incidents when you feel been doing wrong. I will not moderate unreported incidents. Cheers ;)

Ta for the modding , have to say that Pribluda was of no help in this situation , ce'st la vie  ::)

I see Bernie, assumed you didn't use prib judging your incident report. If you had seen Dave R.'s trackposition at prib, you might have waited to reverse/forward. Thanks for understanding. ;)

Most certainly , why would i risk a collision and having to do a possible reset and  stop - go penalty ?

Also you state David slowed for the waved yellow , but looking at my replay and comparing with other laps , he did not slow approaching the corner , he did not slow until he was well into the corner , which was then too late IMO .

He approached that same corner on other laps at a speed similar or slower than the lap in question .

Of course your opinion is the one that counts and I accept your decision even though on this occasion I disagree  !   

David was at least 10kmh slower than the laps before at the point where the yellow was waved,  before the turn. David had 1s to react, and the waved yellow wasn't easy to spot in the first place. It's like you blame David for your own spin and rejoin.

Fact is your rejoin was inconsiderate, and David had to make evasive action because you reversed towards the racing line. Fact is David did everything right, and he suffered from your inconsideration. You should have waited for David to pass before reversing/go forward. But as you said, you weren't aware.

How are drivers suppose to learn fom their mistakes if they do not recognize them?  ::)

Honestly, I can't remember if I slowed or not. Replay should give the answer.

I just saw you going back, so I "decide" (I had a short time to make this decision :) ) to pass in front of your car and not behind.
At this moment, you changed your direction and were going forward so I tried to avoid the contact and was blocked between your car and the wall.

I don't know what you should have done in such situation. Maybe look at Pribluda and not move if other racers were approaching.
But in such condition, the worst is to suddenly change of direction.

 

Pribluda was not working , well it was , sort of , but it was haywire !

We can all do a lot with hindsight,  but on the day I chose to reverse a little away from a solid wall onto part of the track to enable me to make a turn. I did what "at the moment in time"  I thought was the best way to get out of the situation and made a point of leaving room behind so any car following  would be able to pass safely on the "usual racing line " I think it is clear from the replay that I did that as well as I could under the circumstance .

I was careful not to block the whole track off and to move forward again quickly to resume racing and clear the track for any following cars .

I don't understand how Robert's report can reach the conclusion that I "drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars" I am sorry Robert but in my view that is a nonsense , perhaps you need to visit specsavers my friend  ;D



 

"I was careful not to block the whole track off"
Perhaps, but the following driver ( ...me) could not be sure you will stop and where you will stop, when you were going back.


By the way, this one place penalty doesn't change anything to the final position as you also had a 15 sec penalty (and Dave Curtis was 11 sec behind you).
So maybe, we can stop the discussion here.
Moderator is not an easy job, and too many critics could be followed by a Modxit (as I did last season  :-\ )

No complaint with the penalty , as you say it makes no difference to the result , the complaint is of me being at fault because i spin in a bad place and re join regardless of the consequence to others , as I  have explained this is not so .

Being told I caused your spin because I was thoughtless is wrong ,  the fact is you were being careless by approaching the scene of an accident at unreduced speed and not  observing the flag code


That is why we have waved yellow flags which mean SLOW DOWN and beware the unexpected . what is the point of having the flags if we don't observe them . ignore the flags by all means but be prepared to accept the outcome if you do.


   

OK OK I was careless and I don't understand how I was able to stop my car between your car and the wall without any contact !

Surely, it was a miracle.