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Title: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Rainier on June 26, 2016, 01:01:17 PM +0100
UKGPL SEASON 30 F2 CHAMPIONSHIP – Round 3 : Pau
The Pau Grand Prix (French: Grand Prix de Pau) is a motor race held in Pau, in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques department of southwestern France. The French Grand Prix was held at Pau in 1930, leading to the annual Pau Grand Prix being inaugurated in 1933. It was not run during World War II.

The race takes place around the centre of the city, where the streets are closed to form a circuit, and its 68 runnings have variously conformed to the rules of Grand Prix racing and Formula One, Formula Two and Formula 3000, Formula Three, Formula Libre, sports car racing, and touring car racing.
The winningest driver at Pau is Jim Clark, with 4 wins.

 
Drivers will have a free car choice
BUT
Each car can be driven only once in this season!

 


Race List =  IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 28-06-2016
GPL mod = F2 67
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Track = pau67 (http://a.bosco.free.fr/gpl/pau67.htm)
 
Qualification = 20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race = race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length = ~45 min -> 34 laps
Damage Model = INT
Replay = https://www.sendspace.com/file/k9zqa4

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=553&theme=6)
1 SHIFT-R allowed (with a Stop n Go of 0 seconds)
No Stop n Go within 2 laps = DQ
Multiple SHIFT-R = DQ
Incorrect Stop n Go = 30 seconds added
Last lap SHIFT-R gains a 15 second penalty if a Stop is not possible.
 
Only reported incidents will be moderated
GLA and have FUN

Replay: to be updated


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Rainier on June 26, 2016, 01:20:37 PM +0100
Already used cars (do not select again !!)

                   Oulton Park   Castle Combe
FullMetalGasket   Matra MS5      Brabham BT23
Samb              Protos         Matra MS7
roo               Cooper         Lotus 48
Ronnie peterson   Lotus 41B      Brabham BT14
Dlogan            Cooper         McLaren
MagicArsouille    Lola FVA       McLaren
Rainier           Lotus 48       Lotus 41B
Carlos Cendejas   McLaren   
Doni Yourth       McLaren        Brabham BT23
bagrupp           Cooper         Lotus 48
dave curtis       Matra MS5      McLaren
francesco         Matra MS5      Matra MS7
philippe GIRARD   Matra MS7      Brabham BT23
Cookie            Lotus 41B      Cooper
Jani Posta                       Lotus 48
Evil Clive                       Ferrari


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 28, 2016, 09:56:52 PM +0100
Sorry about the spin on lap 1 guys. Good luck to all still running.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Samb on June 28, 2016, 10:31:53 PM +0100
Well done to Tim & Trist! My race involved chasing them to no avail. Their superior pace and a couple of errors late race from me paid to my chances. Nevertheless, reasonably happy with 3rd.

I think this is the first time I've ever driven around Pau, and what a fantastic challenge it is  :). Really enjoy racing the street circuits, even if the actual racing is lacking somewhat.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Cookie on June 28, 2016, 10:39:52 PM +0100
Sorry for my messed braking into L1 2nd hairpin, was totaly surprised :o


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Doni Yourth on June 28, 2016, 11:00:34 PM +0100
In viewing my replay cap, it would appear that I owe Tristan an apology for not moving over to allow him to pass to start what was his last lap.  I had received several blue flags approaching the S/F line but chose to ignore them.  Why?  The lap prior, I received a flash on my pit board that read '2 laps remaining'.  I completed that lap and, therefore, had but one to run upon crossing the S/F line again.  Correct?  Believing that I was about to be lapped but not wishing to give way and ruin a chance to fight for position, I did not yield believing that the leader...whomever that was...was receiving the checkered flag just behind me.  I cannot explain the discrepancy in my lap counts as clearly the replay shows that I was only starting my lap33, not my lap34 as I believed.

Sorry, again, Tris.  :(

Really enjoyed the battle, Carlos!  Great drive, bud!  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 29, 2016, 05:14:01 AM +0100
I must wait the replay.I don't understand why my saved replay is always starting from lap 7 or more.There is something to set in GEM or Igor?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: DLogan on June 29, 2016, 05:40:21 AM +0100
...I don't understand why my saved replay is always starting from lap 7 or more.There is something to set in GEM or Igor?

Check these lines in your core.ini:

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[ Replay ]
replayMemoryOverride = 128000

That tells Windows to reserve a given amount of your memory (in bytes) to store the replay. Set it too large and some tracks may have trouble loading (Spa67 especially), too small and you lose part of the replay. 60fps replays take more space than 36fps, so the default needs to be changed. AFAIK, any multiple of 2000 is valid. Try the 128000 I use, or even larger (180000 is commonly recommended on SRMZ).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 29, 2016, 06:27:42 AM +0100
Thank you Dean for the explanation.I have also another problem not solved with the new PC.I am in GEm with my name( FranF2 Molteni) but in Igor i am franCA66 Molteni with the consequence to not find my setup.I'm not able to understand where is the error.Seem that there is no link between player and mod in Igor.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: roo on June 29, 2016, 08:24:41 AM +0100
race blown by Ronnie getting bounced back on track after going off at Ave de Musset & then by Dave Curtis getting it horribly wrong in the pitlane & spinning into the middle of the track causing me to reset & so SnG which cemented my battle to not be last. Pretty disappointing race overall.

Really feel being obliged to SnG after such an incident is bit harsh...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: EvilClive on June 29, 2016, 09:38:31 AM +0100
First, I think it isa great idea to make everyone use a different car for each race, it adds a little unknown element and certainly spices up the grids.

Grats to Tim, Tris and Sam....some new world records amongst those lap times!!!

4th on the grid for me was as good as I might have hoped for and when the race started, my plan was just to stick with the leading trio and hope that they made mistakes.......they did not appear to make any significant errors!!!

Ray's incident early in the race, gave me a clear track in my mirrors so I could simply concentrate on staying with the leaders. Boy!!! did I have to concentrate. They were running race pace at my best qually effort and I found myself almost closing my eyes and hoping that the car would make stop in time to make the corners at some points. After about 10 laps of racing on the absolute limit, and having had a few miraculous escapes, I decided that discretion was the better option and backed off slightly. Sam maintained his pace and pulled away, still chasing the leading pair and I ended up circulating all alone.
4th place looked like the best I could hope for unless the leaders screwed up. But around lap 20 I glanced at the fuel level and got a nasty shock! I had gone with the setup fuel level showing sufficient for 36 laps and had assumed that would be OK.........should know better!!

A quick mental calculation showed that 5 gallons would not get me through the remaining 14 laps. I tried short shifting and taking corners one gear higher but it upset my flow and I made a complete mess of the approach to the chicane and allowed Dean to get right on my tail. The temptation to push hard and try to pull away from Dean was strong, but after a few laps it was clear that I would not reach the flag if I maintained that pace, so I eased over and allowed Dean past.
The last 10 laps were frustrating as cars caught and passed me and I dare not contest the place. I was actually praying for the leaders to lap me and save me one lap and I was keeping the revs down and almost cruising for the last 8 laps just hoping to get to the flag.

I did get to the flag and felt a great deal of satisfaction in having nursed the car for about 14 laps. the engine was coughing for the last 3 laps and the fuel guage dropped to zero just as  passed the pits and the pressure was at 2 psi.............but I made it and I don't really care what place it was, that was edge of the seat and very satisfying.
It might have been better if I had put a couple of extra gallons in at the start  :-\

$th


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 29, 2016, 02:15:34 PM +0100
I read noe that is possible only one shift-R.I have suffered an overturning in the lap1(thank you Bastian)and than an engine explosion.
So i think to be DQ.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on June 29, 2016, 02:24:20 PM +0100
I read now that is possible only one shift-R.I have suffered an overturning in the lap1(thank you Bastian)and than an engine explosion.
So i think to be DQ.

you're welcome. i'm not really sure ? i'll watch it in the evening.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Doni Yourth on June 29, 2016, 06:58:49 PM +0100
The day after...

I just ran off a series of 5-lap novice races with/without the AI at Pau and the results are startling.  It would seem that a near-impossible, virtually unbelievable glitch surfaced.  In a nutshell, cars about to lapped lose a lap off their pit board.  HUH?  Yup.  I ran three races where my countdown went from three laps remaining directly to one lap remaining.  Never seen or heard of this kind of thing occurring in GPL.  But this only happens if the leaders are getting within close proximity of your car.  How close to have this kick in I don't really know.  In the final race of the test, I dialed the AI speed way back...they were cutting 16's...and finished close to the winner.  My lap board read properly in its countdown without skipping a lap.  Most confusing.  Its like my data was being supplanted with the leader's with respect to the remaining laps to run.

I'm going to post details of this over on the SRMZ where some sharp track editors will probably have an answer.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on June 29, 2016, 09:27:08 PM +0100
I read now that is possible only one shift-R.I have suffered an overturning in the lap1(thank you Bastian)and than an engine explosion.
So i think to be DQ.

you're welcome. i'm not really sure ? i'll watch it in the evening.

I watched the scene. You are not under control of your car. I approach the corner with 90 km/h, usually later with 120.
When I see you going direction cross country i'm in full breaking but i have no where else to go and i hit you. thats what we call a race accident.
Watch the rpy from my view.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Rainier on June 29, 2016, 10:05:58 PM +0100

... thats what we call a race accident.


Do not try to influence the moderator !   :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on June 29, 2016, 11:03:49 PM +0100

... thats what we call a race accident.


Do not try to influence the moderator !   :laugh:

 :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Carlos Cendejas on June 30, 2016, 06:32:49 AM +0100

Really enjoyed the battle, Carlos!  Great drive, bud!  :)

Gracias Doni!

Difficult track to over take, enjoyed the battle too. Had a great time!

Congrats to the winners of the event.   ;D

Cheers!   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 30, 2016, 06:50:24 AM +0100
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I watched the scene. You are not under control of your car. I approach the corner with 90 km/h, usually later with 120.
When I see you going direction cross country i'm in full breaking but i have no where else to go and i hit you. thats what we call a race accident.
Watch the rpy from my view.
I was in perfect control of my car,the problem was due to the 2 cars in front of me that have decreased the speed.
For you there is always an attenuating for other is alway a guilt also when the other don't touch you.The report at Olton that you sent to the moderator is simply absurd.I can't understand how it could have been accepted.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: roo on June 30, 2016, 07:51:23 AM +0100
championship spreadsheet (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ob26mvgal95hm59/ukgpl%20s30%20f2%27s.7z?dl=0)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on June 30, 2016, 09:00:02 AM +0100
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I watched the scene. You are not under control of your car. I approach the corner with 90 km/h, usually later with 120.
When I see you going direction cross country i'm in full breaking but i have no where else to go and i hit you. thats what we call a race accident.
Watch the rpy from my view.
I was in perfect control of my car,the problem was due to the 2 cars in front of me that have decreased the speed.
For you there is always an attenuating for other is alway a guilt also when the other don't touch you.The report at Olton that you sent to the moderator is simply absurd.I can't understand how it could have been accepted.

absurd ? I don't need to comment this ... anymore.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 30, 2016, 11:15:03 AM +0100
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I don't need to comment this ... anymore.


wise decision


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Doni Yourth on June 30, 2016, 03:40:11 PM +0100
NUTS!  :(

It would seem that the SRMZ...and related sites such as Speedgeezers and private editing forums...are down at the moment and as such, I cannot post re the pit board thingie.  I have, at least, prepared a script in advance and when the SRMZ returns, I shall post.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: dave curtis on June 30, 2016, 03:46:32 PM +0100
race blown <snip>  & then by Dave Curtis getting it horribly wrong in the pitlane & spinning into the middle of the track  <snip>

Well, apologies for that.  Looks like I missed a couple of gears coming in to perform a S&G.
Appears that I ended up inadvertently changing 4th->1st & the car did not like it at that speed.

I hadn't realised at the time what happened in the pit straight.  Little chance for you, but there was some other skillful avoidance taking place.

It's of little consolation, but after you were gaining on me after your stop [didn't know you were affected by it];  I thought I'd pull to the side to let you sail past;  seeing as you were misplaced at the time & it would not have been much longer anyway.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 30, 2016, 04:57:58 PM +0100
race blown <snip>  & then by Dave Curtis getting it horribly wrong in the pitlane & spinning into the middle of the track  <snip>
I hadn't realised at the time what happened in the pit straight.  Little chance for you, but there was some other skillful avoidance taking place.

Dave, this was the highlight of the race as far as I was concerned. Okay I survived on this occasion but I for one actually enjoy moments like this whatever the outcome.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: dave curtis on June 30, 2016, 05:20:01 PM +0100
I was kind of surprised that my car ended up shiny side up & still working!

This was that car that in a pre-event practice session;  I'd come to the conclusion that it was far too brittle & very likely for the front wheels to snap off.  Although, that may be more down to the unforgiving kerbing in places...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: francesco on June 30, 2016, 05:22:02 PM +0100
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It would seem that the SRMZ...and related sites
Yes,also the repository is down.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Doni Yourth on July 01, 2016, 12:18:27 PM +0100
The SRMZ and its associated sites are back up and running.  I've posted a topic there in hopes of receiving some input.

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=11453


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Walter Conn on July 09, 2016, 02:56:03 PM +0100
I am running a little late with the moderators report for this round. I will attempt to complete as soon as possible.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Walter Conn on August 18, 2016, 11:32:30 AM +0100
Moderation Published.

I appear to have surpassed the character limit for this report? I was not able to put advice for the last incident. I added this advice below.

•Tristan — Advice for the lapping driver - The lapping driver is responsible for following a slower driver at a safe distance. Slow down when approaching a slower car – the speed difference may be much larger than you expect. Their lines and braking points may be totally different to yours and they may be more likely to make mistakes. Warping will also mean that you may need to leave extra room. Lapping drivers showing a lack of care in this situation will be penalised.

•Doni - Ignoring Blue Flags: Caution - Tristan reported that "I believe I was the victim, but I would prefer that no penalty is given." The rulebook states that the normal penalty would be minus 1 Place.  "The lapped driver clearly ignored the blue flags on several occasions. Good opportunities to let the lapping driver through were ignored. The lapping driver had not been lost by the server (hence blue flags and pit board signals were valid). The lapped driver may not have expected another car to be behind and much quicker at this stage in the race."


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Robert Fleurke on August 18, 2016, 04:45:29 PM +0100
Thanks Walter!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Walter Conn on September 12, 2016, 03:27:02 AM +0100
I corrected the penalty for Bastian. Feel free to send me a PM if an explanation is needed.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on September 12, 2016, 12:47:38 PM +0100
Not sure what you did change ? Was it the result board ?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Walter Conn on September 12, 2016, 01:15:56 PM +0100
Originally, It was a warning, but now it is a one place penalty.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on September 13, 2016, 09:16:07 AM +0100
ok - did you change your opinion by yourself or was it just a mistakenly written down ?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: Walter Conn on September 13, 2016, 05:59:35 PM +0100
I had not wrote it down wrong. I decided to make it a one place penalty because that is more consistent with previous incidents, the victim had to do a shift-R + stop -n- go, and it was the first lap.

In the rule book, the typical scenario for Avoidable Rear End Shunt and Simple Rear End Shunt both seem to fit. That made it harder to decide the appropriate penalty. It is easy for moderators to make mistakes. I am sorry for that one.

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/rear_end_shunt


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Pau - Jun 28
Post by: bagrupp on September 13, 2016, 10:37:20 PM +0100
it's ok. I was just interested.