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Title: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Robert Fleurke on June 29, 2016, 01:05:52 PM +0100
Season 30 Professionals Trophy – Round 3 – Zandvoort

For the third round of the season we go to Circuit Park Zandvoort in the Netherlands. On 7 August 1948, the first race was held on the new permanent Zandvoort circuit. Soon more races followed on the course, with the first official Formula 1 Grand Prix becoming a milestone in 1952. Up until the mid-eighties, heroes like Alberto Ascari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Stirling Moss, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, James Hunt, Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost braved the challenging course in the Dutch dunes and won at Zandvoort. After the Grand Prix of 1985, the Formula 1 left Zandvoort, but the seaside resort and its impressive race track were not forgotten. Many years after the last Grand Prix, the ‘racing drivers of the day’ still talk about their experience on the race track where the challenging corners ‘separated the men from the boys’.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Tuesday 05-07-16
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 33 laps (45-50 minutes)
Variant = 1965
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

Replays Available here: here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season30/Pros/)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=550&theme=6)

Until the number of registered drivers exceeds grid capacity drivers may join the server as soon as it appears in IGOR. Drivers are required to complete 50% distance to score points. This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: roo on June 30, 2016, 07:37:41 AM +0100
hmm, thought this was at Assen!?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Robert Fleurke on June 30, 2016, 08:25:36 AM +0100
hmm, thought this was at Assen!?

Assen has proven to be too unreliable recently, therefore wouldn't take the risk and replaced it with Zandvoort instead...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 06, 2016, 12:15:46 AM +0100
Thanks Axel for server and replay (first post)! It's great to have UKGPL3 up and running again, cheers Paul! :) Sorry you had probs in the race Axel...

I had a great quali with twice a sub28 lap without tow, a PB! Still only P5 since the times were so close. First laps were eventful, but most cars in front went off, and by then was 3.5s behind Roo...reeled him in tenth by tenth, had to check up twice not rearending him when he went sideways and hit the kerbs, but that's racing...didn't really have the gearing for a tow, I wanted to be able to do good laps in clean air, so Roo basically only had to make sure staying on track at the infield...last laps made mistakes pushing too much and burning my tires, and had to settle for P2 ;)

Great job and a very well deserved win by Roo, well done mate! :) Also good recovery by Tris ;) Shame for a relatively small grid, yet the racing was great from my point of view...commiserations to the DNF's...noticed Clive was gaining on me at some point but then he was gone sadly...

Thanks for racing all :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: roo on July 06, 2016, 07:50:49 AM +0100
Seems I had a similarly good quali session, twice setting a new pb, without a tow. I had had a slight contact with Ronnie on my first flying lap but decided to carry on & see if the car was ok & it seemed to be... I couldn't do the same laptimes in my Q2 with an 'undamaged' car though, so thanks Ronnie! Still, I was surprised to be on pole.

I got through T1 first & after a few laps I knew if I kept it clean I could keep Axel behind. I tried to break the tow down the straight & opened a gap before Robert appeared in 2nd. At first I could just about keep the gap but slowly Robert closed through to me having to push hard to try to maintain the gap, cooking tyres, making small mistakes & his incredible pace in the bt7  :alien:
The second half of the race was intense  :sweatdrop: but I figured Robert's only chances were into the 2 hairpins & if I made no major mistakes through the dunes I should be ok.

Luckily Robert is sharp enough to avoid contact when we make mistakes in front of him. It would have been so easy for him to nerf me off & take the win. Respect  :notworthy:

I got lucky with 2 laps to go when Robert went deep into T1 & I was able to take the chequer for my first ukgpl win  :thumbup1:

Thanks for the racing, grats to all finishers & thanks to the admins.

championship spreadsheet (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rs55fso4uhlrhap/ukgpl%20s30%2065%27s.7z?dl=0)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Jani Posta on July 06, 2016, 09:31:29 AM +0100
Grats Roo!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: EvilClive on July 06, 2016, 10:01:20 AM +0100
Two large glasses of wine = at least 2 bad down shifts and over revving
Grats to Roo on his maiden win..... much overdue IMHO.

abusing the engine = blown header

The moral is don't drink and drive  :-\

After a rather nice meal and the wine I fired up the PC and joined the server with about 20mins to go. For the first time ever I had a square green panel instead of the normal steering wheel in the Brabham, So I quit and re joined hoping that it would correct itself, but it didn't.

As a result I could not see the rev counter, so I turned off the steering wheel and arms and drove a car that seemed very odd.   :(

I used a set up that I have used before and for some inexplicable reason ( probably the wine) I thought it would be a good idea to lower a couple of the gear ratios!!!  :death:

The first few laps went well and I picked up a couple of places as others tried to cut the grass in various places. Tris had recovered from an off behind me and I was working hard to close on Robert ahead and Tris at a safe distance behind, so that he could not make an attack into Tarzan.

Robert was very quick in his BT7 and the gap was closing, but very, very slowly and it was going to take a lot of laps to get at him. Then the engine lost power as the reduced ratios and clumsy gearchanges took their revenge. Must remember to go back and put those ratios right.

Grats to all finishers




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: roo on July 06, 2016, 10:56:43 AM +0100
thanks guys, pretty chuffed :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Cookie on July 06, 2016, 11:35:56 AM +0100
I made a stupid beginners mistake raising the left front tire pressure after my last race fuel test...

So my LF overcooked after a while and I was not able to keep the pace, so I left in frustration ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: FullMetalGasket on July 06, 2016, 05:21:38 PM +0100
The moral is don't drink and drive  :-\
I always drink and drive on here - I generally drive better  ;D


Apologies for not attending, I was tired and as I've got rough dates for my placements now I have no real need to compete. I have maybe one more round per championship I can make before i head off for India and Japan  :(/ :)
While in Japan I hope to apply for an audience with HER in order to broach whether perhaps SHE will allow the Waza's to return and sweep all asunder once more..  :devil:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 06, 2016, 06:08:36 PM +0100
Two large glasses of wine = at least 2 bad down shifts and over revving

The moral is don't drink and drive  :-\

I suppose the English drink their wine as well in pints? ;D Not always, but usually drink a few beers when racing, makes me less nervous, there is a tipping point though  :P So, kind of the same like Tim ;)

I used a set up that I have used before and for some inexplicable reason ( probably the wine) I thought it would be a good idea to lower a couple of the gear ratios!!! :death:

I made a stupid beginners mistake raising the left front tire pressure after my last race fuel test...

So my LF overcooked after a while and I was not able to keep the pace, so I left in frustration ::)

Been there done that, nowadays don't make any late race adjustments anymore, only when I ran out of practise/prepping and still have to tune a setup...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: roo on July 07, 2016, 10:44:51 AM +0100
Two large glasses of wine = at least 2 bad down shifts and over revving

The moral is don't drink and drive  :-\

I suppose the English drink their wine as well in pints? ;D Not always, but usually drink a few beers when racing, makes me less nervous, there is a tipping point though  :P So, kind of the same like Tim ;)


I did the alcohol versus thc test once & found thc to impair performance less than alcohol but these days I'm a clean driver/racer & I seem to be able to concentrate better & make less mistakes as a result ... or is it that I'm physically fit now too ?
I dunno, but I do believe fitness makes a difference to concentration & therefore performance. That said, there's no replacement for talent & I don't have that in bucket loads that's for sure :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Doni Yourth on July 07, 2016, 01:38:28 PM +0100
Congratulations on your maiden victory, Roo!  Great job.  And overdue, too, imo.

Well done to Robert for a fine P2 on home turf.  Nice recovery by Tris for rounding out the podium.

Hard luck for Axel and Clive.  One way to avoid the goofy steering wheel glitch, Clive, is to nominate the lite carset instead of the full GP65 graphics option.  In qualifying, I browsed around in the cockpits of others and noticed that the BT11 pilots had anything but a proper steering wheel facing them.  Initially, I saw a square with the snow storm you typically see when you invert your ride.  Later, in viewing the replay cap, that image was exchanged for what looked like a nose skin of a Rob Walker car.  Curious indeed.

My race went very well.  Just too bloody slow.  Or rather, you guys are too bloody fast!  LOL!  Initially, I had a good scrap going with Carlos...he and I seem to be engaging in many fine duels of late; cool!...but I managed to edge away bit by bit as the race progressed.  Dean fell off in Tarzan and I hoped to be able to latch onto him but no, he edged away.  Ray had recovered from his early offs to challenge and I let him by without a fight as clearly, he was substantially faster and I had hopes that he'd row me back up to Dean where I might get another shot at the red car.  Nope.  Couldn't manage that either.

I find Zandvoort a good challenge and enjoy my time there but it is so very tiring.  So many back and forths wear on me.  With this in mind, by half-distance, I resolved to just get the Honda home incident-free and, in that, I at least managed to succeed.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: EvilClive on July 07, 2016, 02:12:04 PM +0100
You may be right about the "lite" carset Doni, but I have never had this problem before, although I have read about others suffering? I would not have put Zandvoort as a graphics heavy circuit, and I am positive I would have raced the BT11 there at some time in the past.

Turning off the drivers arms ( and steering wheel) was a simple fix that allowed me to see the rev counter, but it did feel a little odd to have that empty cockpit.

Guess I will have to wait and see what happens at the next round.  :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: maddog on July 07, 2016, 02:59:37 PM +0100
The Brabham wheel is an old problem, fixed after many years, and now forgotten.  Here is the fix :
http://home.planet.nl/~aquisate/Downloads.htm  Download : 65mod Raised.  

I suggest everyone grabs this, and keeps a copy for future installs.  MECH has combined the wheel fix with cars which do not drag on the road unrealistically.  If you run at minimum height, the fix corrects height & wheel.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Cookie on July 07, 2016, 03:31:52 PM +0100
The fix is also on our UKGPL_3 server (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Utilities/) for a while ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: EvilClive on July 07, 2016, 03:51:38 PM +0100
Thanks Axel. I must have missed that fix.
  I still find it strange that I have only just suffered from the wierd steering wheel problem? but if the fix works it should be the one and only time that I see it  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: maddog on July 07, 2016, 05:07:26 PM +0100
Previous page at 3pm you will see where Maddog posted a link to the Site with the wheel fix.  It's nice to point to these helpful sites, where things are originally made, so they know the work is useful.  Good to have a backup here, if the Site disappears because no-one uses it.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: roo on July 08, 2016, 08:12:21 AM +0100
thanks for the kind words guys :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: GregT on July 10, 2016, 07:22:25 PM +0100
Congrats Roo!

That was some interesting reading. Now I know Tim's secret. :) I doubt it would help me. Ten years ago, a couple of beers might relax me a bit which could improve my performance.

In the early 2000's, I liked to sit down for some driving while at the same time, start drinking beer. I'd see how many it took before my lap times started increasing and I started wrecking more. The effects always became noticeable on my 5th beer. I usually gave up on my 6th. :) Now, I doubt I could tolerate more than 2 without a noticeable effect on my performance.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Robert Fleurke on August 22, 2016, 05:38:08 PM +0100
Mod report is up, sorry for the delay.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Professionals Trophy (65) - Zandvoort - Jul 5
Post by: Ronniepeterson on August 23, 2016, 07:53:51 PM +0100
Sorry Tristan and anyone else caught out by my bad rejoin. I apologised in the race chat and I apologise again here Tristan. In the heat of the moment I made a hash of the rejoin and most certainly cost you the chance of victory and myself for that matter. Good luck tonight.