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I had a bit of rant in the Mosport race thread because the Windows Update meant that I could not use my PC for over an hour on Sunday so I was not able to start the server for the Works race or join the Privateers race.
It gets worse. The update has really messed up GPL. I had to reinstall the software for my wheel (that works OK) but I have lost Pribluda & the mirrors don't work.

There is a thread on SRMZ about this - http://srmz.net/index.php?s=96b80af14949293084f12dec740d2bb1&showtopic=11487&st=15

A fix would be very gratefully received.

My loathing for Microsoft has reached new levels.

having had the same happen to me , I feel your pain  :'(

Windows sucks , those "in the know" use a different op system

Linux for one is quite popular

there are several out there ..

 http://www.howtogeek.com/190217/10-alternative-pc-operating-systems-you-can-install/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/190217/10-alternative-pc-operating-systems-you-can-install/) 

My W10 install dates from early this year and initially, it wasn't a big deal to get GPL and other older programmes to function as before.  Lately, tho, updates have buggered up things something awful and I'm really disappointed.  There are times when W10 just chokes.  Here's a for instance...

I can boot-up, open a number of programmes including GPL and GPLRA, close all of them off to a clean desktop, open File Manager(aka, Windows Explorer)and then try to open Notepad.  Nope.  W10 just throws its hands up in the air in utter defeat and walks away.  I need to restart to get functions back.  Bit of a joke and a bad one at that.  :(

Can't wait til the release of W10_E_F.  W10_Epic_Fail.  :)

For info. if Windows 10 has messed up Pribluda there is an old programme called Digital Dashboard Modifier which gives roughly the same info as Pribluda at the bottom of the screen. You don't get the car positions at the top of the screen. Whilst I was getting used to driving with no telemetry info (lots of gear change counting) I am now using DDM. It does not seem to work in conjunction with Lee's "No Letterbox" patch, but it does give you an option.
Many thanks to Ginetto for uploading - see this thread in SRMZ - http://srmz.net/index.php?s=b59d9f0a212e26bfb99546e653b2d4c9&showtopic=11487&st=30

Donny - there is a Compatibility function for programmes that did work in older versions of Windows. See the same thread in SRMZ.

Windows 10 Anniversary

Here it can go totally wrong with GPL  :o
...but I have done my best to solve all the problems in this LINK (http://www.gpl1967.dk/GPLDK/showthread.php?53-GPL-G27-amp-Windows-10-Anniversary&p=125&viewfull=1#post125)

well this is weird.  If I use gpl.exe I get pribluda, if I use GEM or gplc67.exe etc pribluda doesn't work!

I find all this talk of the problems with Win10 regarding pribluda/sound/mirrors etc VERY disturbing !!! 

I have been running my old Dell desktop with WIN XP  for 10+ years and it is ( mostly) rock solid. OK, the 2gb Ram and the overcrowded hard disk are creaking, but at least I am able to run GPL and enjoy the racing. I have upgraded the sound, graphics and Power supply over the years, but the motherboard and processor are original 2.1 ghz dual core Dell spec.

The problem is that I also dabble in GTL and being a more recent piece of software it is capable of much higher graphic output and can use more RAM...if it is available.

So, I have been seriously contemplating treating myself to a new PC, with some heavy specs ( maybe even triple monitors!!) and these inevitably come with Win10 installed. I do have a full Win 7 Pro disk, so I could get a blank PC and stick Win 7 on as the OS.
But that seems kind of pointless as Win 7 is as obsolete as XP ??!!

As someone who struggles with the simplest of computer related issues, the thought of wrestling with a non-user friendly Win 10 that is actively preventing me from enjoying GPL, fills me with a cold dread.
I am following the various threads in the hope that someone finds the magic bullet for these issues,

I

"Microsoft won't end security updates for your Windows 7 PC until Jan. 14, 2020."
So a long time to think about what's after...

W7 will be the last MS OS that can be managed and modified by its owner, you!
You are able to remove or disable all parts you do not like! Like MS spyware and MS keylogger...

For a new PC there is also the possibility of a dual boot of W7 and any Linux OS.
GPL runs fine under linux/wine now with full support of wheels and FFB.

IMO the user has to learn the same different handling of a new OS, if he switches from W7 to W10 as to a modern Linux!

And Linux is save!
 

So,
I might try a dual boot ( if I can work out how to do that!) and stick Win 7 and Linux on a new PC.
if I install Linux as the OS, then install Wine ( this will allow me to run Windows based software like GPL) I can avoid the Win 10 problems??

I am currently trying a fresh install of GPL on my laptop which is running win 10( and ironically has a higher spec processor and 4gb ram to play with ), just to see what the issues are
So far I have the 67's and 65's loaded and they appear to work OK. About to try Pribluda........which is where it might all go wrong lol!!

I am very tempted to try Linux again.  I did dabble with it some years ago with Ubuntu.  I see you use Mint, cookie.

Is it as simple as it now appears to get everything up and running though.  I don't mind adjusting settings but don't want to be tweeking for weeks just to get it to work.

Is there an up to date guide anywhere of how to get GPL installed with Linux / Wine?

Steve I did some guiding to Linux GPL at SRMZ in different threads.

The first thing to think about is the graphic card wich is used.
To have the best possible fps you must use OpenGL raterizers.
The build in open source GPU drivers do not support gaming with OpenGL!

So you need proprietary GPU drivers:

- NVidia keeps their proprietary drivers up to date so you can use the latest linux kernel in all distros.
- AMD did break their continuity, they do support only pretty new GPU's with theit latest drivers,
so with a Radeon HD 7970 you must use an older linux kernel.

To install Linux besides W7, you just have to install W7 first, then the install of linux will detect it and can be set up besides with a choice at the boot.

I'm installing mint now alongside windows 10.

I have an nvidia card so OpenGL shouldn't be an issue.

I'm sure I'll have more questions as I progress with the install

Just ask ;)

Afaik you must shut off W10 ~ "secure boot" if you want to keep it besides mint.
W10 takes over more than just the HDD of your PC, it modifies the bios too!

I am not a specialist for W10! I installed it and tested it for 2 weeks before I kicked it.

After the mint install go to : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/mint-cinnamon-first
and follow the steps, so you will learn a lot just doing it.

ok thanks.

I've just found out about the secure boot issue, and now straight in to another.  Now I get a screen that shows a grub command prompt! I'll have to come back to that a bit later.

Anyway, as suspected the installation is not straight forward.

A warning to others: if you are not comfortable changing and experimenting with stuff I'd suggest not attempting this.

oooer! :wacko:

Take lots of notes and then you can talk me through it later!!!  ;)

I'll be happy to help Clive.  Although experience tells me its different for just about every system!

Anyway, I got past that issue after some google'ing.

onward.....

some success.  I have GPL working and the G25 wheel controls it.  Now need to fins how to twerk everything.

The FPS is poor and the wheel settings need adjusting.  More google'ing.

Two major issues I have are:

Every time I restart the PC I get a screen with
GNU GRUB version 2.02 etc etc.  I can bypass it by typing 'exit' and then it goes to the normal Grub selection screen. Don't really know why but re-enabling and disabling secure boot seemed to sort that.

When I exit GPL the Linux desktop is set at a super low resolution and I can't reset it to normal screen.

Any pointers would be helpful.

p.s. should I start a new thread as this isn't really to do with windows update?

Can you give me an ideea of what specs your PC has and wich distro you have installed.

Maybe the threads at SRMZ where marcmirande and Zalo write about setting up the wheel and shifter can help too.

The bad framerate seems to come from a not working GPU driver! How did you install the proprietary driver?

Thank you.

PC:

AMD A10 6700 3.7GHz
8GB RAM

Graphics Geforce GTX 645 2GB

I installed Mint 18 'Sarah'

I just installed the driver recommended in the driver manager which is Nvidia-367.57.

Incidentally there is another driver offered called amd64-microcode which I guess is for the cpu but it lists it under 'unknown' and says the device is not working so I have left the selection as do not use device.

Have you done the steps here ?  https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/mint-cinnamon-first

On this site there are also tips how to optimize grub.

For this CPU the AMD driver may be a good idea, as it should handle the power states, it will not hurt if not.

The wine and FFB settings you will find at SRMZ I did all the explanations here from post #77 on 
 http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=11213&st=75#entry121678

ok thanks.  I've found one of the threads on SMRZ so now posting in that to try and stop hijacking this one!  ;D

btw, the FPS issues seems to go away if I use a virtual desktop in wine configuration.  I can't get in to work at full screen size but I'll figure that out later.

It's unfortunate but I think it's all this messing about that puts people off linux when windows does most of it for you.

Knowing what to input in to the terminal console is like learning latin backwards!

Giving up on the Linux option.  Running in to one problem after another with it an don't have the time to continually keep chasing my tail.

I am, however considering dual booting Windows 7 and windows 10.  Anyone tried this? Looks easy enough from a search and licences seem readily available at less than £10.

Anyone know of any complications?

YES  ;D
After a Windows 10 update yesterday, Pribluda is normal in GPL ...it becomes a real Christmas this year???

Tested on oAo server with 60FPS & iGOR: Direct 3D v2 ...& GeForce 376.19

Thanks Pelle.

Saw that it had been fixed, checked, all working.

Went to remove Linux from PC, same way I've done several times before, went to fix the MBR to remove GRUB and its totally screwed my PC over.  Not ideal as I'm trying to use it to build stuff for my next career just now. Thankfully I have the important stuff backed up, just a total ball ache having to go through a reset.

If I ever mention LINUX again, please someone slap me!  :-[

I do not know the answer, but it seems like some of the new mods only work with v2 rasterizers.

The previous update for W10 64 resulted in GPL recognising either the axes or buttons of my G25 but not both at the same time. The latest update has left it not working at all in GPL though it responds in 'Devices' and works in Grid Autosport (apart from the clutch pedal which does not respond in Devices so presumably that indicates a hardware fault. A detached wire maybe?).
I'm using the latest driver (lgs510 x64) and used various USB2 and USB3 sockets without success.

I have another wheel - a Microsoft Sidewinder in perfect condition but unfortunately no longer supported.

I think that I will just use a gamepad and hope that a future W10 update solves the problem.

Michael, if I remember rightly the W10 update knackered GPL. I think I had to restore my G27 controls by deleting & reinstalling from scratch. You can download from the Logitech web site.

Hi Billy, thanks for your advice. I reinstalled everything from scratch and all is now working  -  including the clutch.

Roll on Season 31 :)

Hey Chaps,

ok, so I'm a bit late to this discussion :)

Just checking - is everyone now ok with Wonders10 & GPL/Prib/FFB/Logitech wheels working as they should be?

I'm just recovering from a Win7 meltdown & whilst I seem to have most things together in a new Win7 environment, I'm thinking that maybe for some additional outage - maybe I should just get Win10 going. (Especially with the current support about to end!).

There again, I may just stick with Win7 for now until my (very OLD!) machine finally karks it   :D

(I'm certainly not ready to move to Linux on my main machine).


Cheers,
Dave.

Dave, I am running on Windows 10, including Pribluda, logitech wheel & FFB2. I have had a few run ins with Windows 10 but perseverance & a little advice from Cookie usually works. IGOR  has not worked properly for ages but I can manage

Thanks.   
Did not result in many pages of tales of woe,  so that seems good anyway!

Possibly a little reckless, but I've just had to perform a clean-install of 7  (& got most things kind of working again)...
But as it's all still fresh,  maybe I'll go all-in & move to Win10...

Cheers,
Dave.

I'm on Windows 10 and I've not had any big problems. The only issue I did have was connecting up my Thrustmaster T300RS Wheel and Thrustmaster TH8A shifter.

Neither are recognised properly when plugged into a USB3 (blue) port. They are only recognised correctly when plugged into a USB2 (black) port. That has nothing to do with Windows 10, it is just that I installed a new SSD on which to install Windows 10 and as a consequence I unplugged everything.

One thing that is a bit of an issue with Windows 10 (and maybe earlier versions) is that it assigns the joysticks at boot-up and that can be a problem with separate wheels and shifter. Sometimes they get swapped around. I have wheel as Joy#1 and shifter as Joy#2. So if windows swaps them (and hence GPL asks me to assign controllers when it starts) I have to unplug and plug-in the shifter.

Thanks for your input too Phil.

Migrated to Win10 now. Initial problem with no sound,  but resolved after finding some other drivers for my SB Audigy 2.

Otherwise for a quick run around at GPL_Brasil,  all major parts seems ok.   iGOR worked  (sorry Bill!) & G25 wheel, G25 pedals via Bodnar & G27 shifter via another Bodnar adapter seem ok.  Prib also still functioning.

nvidia graphics adjustments look to have been carried over from tweaks to recent Win7 install,  as clocks are ramping up.

Minor issue with xpadder for chat messages/arm raising,  but no biggie - will look into that/alternatives.

Just need to give it a bit of a thrashing/shakedown test  (Mexico looks good this time of year :) )

Cheers,
Dave.