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Title: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 22, 2016, 08:01:56 PM +0100
GT2's at Portimao, Algarve Portugal

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/img29_zps3iopjrn5.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/MJ_p911/media/img29_zps3iopjrn5.jpg.html)

Booking: 18.15 (60mins)
Practice: 19:15 (60mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 23 Laps (approx 40mins)

Cars allowed:
All GT2 class cars

Track: Portimao (Algarve)
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/algarve-international-circuit.2874/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/algarve-international-circuit.2874/)

Skins (optional) :-
Sharks BMW -  https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqbmIBVqjlgPgqJo3TexjUhOIrtHBw (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqbmIBVqjlgPgqJo3TexjUhOIrtHBw)
Ecks Corvette - https://www.mediafire.com/?8v4um2f9kbxrau5 (https://www.mediafire.com/?8v4um2f9kbxrau5)

Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 60%

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=560&theme=4)
(3) Please use the Driver Details page to ensure that the league management software has your correct name[/quote]





Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 23, 2016, 08:29:08 PM +0100
Couple of laps last night. This version fels a bit different from others i've driven, more like a rollercoaster as the seems a greater height change with the hills on this one so its thowing me off a bit. Need more front temps here, but not sure how, too much understeer at low speed.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Maikel K. on September 24, 2016, 11:01:13 AM +0100
Had a little go yesterday to learn the track, but that took quite a while  ;D

Don't know if its the track and the elavation or just the Ferrari, but the breaking is terrible with all these corners in braking zones. Took me a while to find a somewhat decent racing line, still not quite satisfied with it.
Found a good example of a how-to with a Nissan GT3 car;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMuy382i2I0

Actually the mediums weren't so bad this time around with the Ferrari. I could keep most of them on temperature except the front right which would go on and off. Although I think it might have to do with the fact I was sliding all over the place ( and not in a fast way  ;D )


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: garyjpaterson on September 24, 2016, 12:38:25 PM +0100
Just did some laps, took some getting used to but overall I do really like the track, though it seems the elevation in this version is a bit exagerated! Also whats with the massive bump at T10 or Craig Jones corner? Checked the videos and it seems there's maybe a few small bumps, but in this version its one massive one - quite easy to unsettle the car there.

Looking forward to this one though, reminds me of my days before AC when I played the Grid games  :laugh: was a fun track back then too.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 24, 2016, 04:00:54 PM +0100
http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

( I really should bookmark this!)

Was running softs last night which had better temps but getting there is horrible for a few laps. Yes, braking isnt easy, keep losing the back, surly 62% cant be giving more too much rear bias?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 24, 2016, 09:08:44 PM +0100
Anything wrong with the server? ITs up, its just it hasnt been capturing split times for everyone, and now doesnt seem to have recorded my 46.8 Not to brag or anything but am pleased to get it lol


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Maikel K. on September 24, 2016, 11:56:39 PM +0100
I think its the track limits. It seems its quite unforgiving calling corner cutting. I've done 32 laps and it has only registered 8 of them. Some of them seem abit over the top, just hitting the curbs and I'm getting a penalty in offline.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 27, 2016, 12:10:16 PM +0100
Am hopeful of getting on tonight around 9pm for more practise, haven't actually done many laps. Need to work out where the hidden cut-tracks are!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 27, 2016, 06:31:00 PM +0100
I'm going to try and do some laps online tonight too but suffering cracked ribs so will have to see how it goes


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 28, 2016, 12:26:51 PM +0100
Must be something about this 3rd party track. I tried briefly an older setup and it felt no different and time wasn't too far off! Seemed it was more just technicque, more front brake bias to stop it losing the back, don't brake late and overstress the tyre trying to turn in. Does feel like the grip isn't there, maybe its track?

Managed to do a 46.4 but it didn't count, couple of laps were around the 47.0. but its going to come down to how smooth and relaxed I can be!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on September 28, 2016, 02:22:27 PM +0100
Hi all. I just received the PSU and GPU for my budget game PC, so i am contemplating being back in the drivers seat next week again. Happy racing to you.

@MJ, ai cracked ribs? Get well soon then.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 28, 2016, 02:30:07 PM +0100
Yeah cracked ribs courtesy of a 'charity' football match  ::)...someone always takes it too seriously. Last time I suffered similar was in a charity go kart race when someone put me into the tyre wall  :laugh:  think I'll give up on being charitable  ;D

Practise went okay last night so will attempt to complete the race distance,  if not I may retire later in the race.

I would say this track is definitely about technique due to its severe undulations and a couple of blind crest corners :o I'm suffering under steer in the downhill braking zones too so it's all hope and see. Looking at stracker it's sector 2 I'm dropping 1second to the cars in front and just behind me so work to do there.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 28, 2016, 06:50:29 PM +0100
Are we just going with booking or is there the entry/ car list in the server so we can turn up at anytime?

Isnt clear from first post


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Truetom on September 28, 2016, 06:55:56 PM +0100
Yeah cracked ribs courtesy of a 'charity' football match  ::)...someone always takes it too seriously. Last time I suffered similar was in a charity go kart race when someone put me into the tyre wall  :laugh:  think I'll give up on being charitable  ;D

Must be something connected with you being 50...  :winkiss:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 28, 2016, 07:15:26 PM +0100
Yeah cracked ribs courtesy of a 'charity' football match  ::)...someone always takes it too seriously. Last time I suffered similar was in a charity go kart race when someone put me into the tyre wall  :laugh:  think I'll give up on being charitable  ;D

Must be something connected with you being 50...  :winkiss:

Haha, not yet  ;) though I feel about 70 this week  :-[


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 28, 2016, 07:16:37 PM +0100
Are we just going with booking or is there the entry/ car list in the server so we can turn up at anytime?

Isnt clear from first post

Same as race 1 only use booking if your not on the pre entry list (which you are)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Linus27 on September 28, 2016, 09:10:52 PM +0100
Well, that wasn't much fun. Start of the race was excellent and had a lovely side by side battle with Mark half way through lap 1. Sadly, the second part of lap 1 I got hit. Then hit again a couple seconds later by the same driver which damaged my suspension. As I went wide on the next corner as the car wouldn't turn, the same driver also ran wide and hit me for a third time finishing me off. Needed to pit for repairs which put me a lap down. Tried to catch up but after 8 or so laps it was pointless and retired :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: garyjpaterson on September 28, 2016, 09:13:44 PM +0100
I messed up, I'm sorry.

I have no idea what happened, I had a poor start (from 4th) and was losing positions, and i think the chance of a good points haul got to me and I was too aggressive when passing/being passed.

I'll be honest and say i'm not 100% sure who I hit, but I know it was quite a few, so I apologise for ruining their races too. With hindsight I should have been more cautious and let guys passed, knowing I had decent enough pace and could get them back in a safer manner, but I was too hot-headed and obviously ended up involved in a few collisions.

I'd like to think a few of them were not purely my fault, but I know for a fact I could have avoided some had I taken more care. It is a shame since I felt really good at this track, and had thoughts of a near podium in my head, but of course I have no one to blame but myself.

I think at the next race I should start at the back, make sure I don't ruin anyone's race on lap 1.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 28, 2016, 09:25:34 PM +0100
Hmm, I think perhaps that was a bad idea me even joining. Only just got back in time to find 4 minutes left of qually. Never raced the track before, no setup and not ready. Took me the whole race (which was about 18 laps more than it normally takes me to learn a new circuit) but I was still hopelessly off the pace even on my own with repaired car and softs. Thanks for the setup Jeff but your tyre pressures are whacky to say the least and don't think helped me at all this time (unlike VIR). ;D

Didn't hit anyone myself, just the wall a couple of times, not an enjoyable race on my own not knowing which way the next corner was going especially when you can't see any of them coming!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Jeffrey on September 28, 2016, 09:28:44 PM +0100
Thanks for the setup Jeff but your tyre pressures are whacky to say the least and don't think helped me at all this time (unlike VIR). ;D
The tyre pressures were perfect for me, never did a tyre get in the yellow or more than 1psi away from optimal. But you need to push in order to get that to happen, and I think being a few seconds a lap slow could indeed mean the tyres were probably too soft for you. :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: picnic on September 28, 2016, 09:31:08 PM +0100
>>>>> LAP Charts <<<<< (http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/algarve_international_circuit 28_09_2016.htm)

(http://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/ac/algarve_international_circuit 28_09_2016.png)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Maikel K. on September 28, 2016, 10:01:20 PM +0100
Pretty fun race.

Had a good start, managed to get to Jeffrey's side by T1 and at T2 he left the door open so I could squeeze my Ferrari through. Managed to get a little bit away since my tyres were quickly up to temp, but soon Jeffrey was on my tail again. Couple close fights, small mistakes and 8 laps later Jeffrey was driving away from me. I was losing too much time and I wanted to push the car even harder, resulting in more Ken Block-style driving. After that I was kind enough to draw the number 6 in turn 6, just in case anyone forgot it.  8)
Tyre wear was terrible though, lap 15 the wear was yellow and by the end I was at around 96.9%. Felt like driving on ice.
Probably wasn't a good idea to get rid of the downforce at the front in quali and then forgetting to put it back up for the race    :o
Lost so much time in that last corner  ;D

PS; is the A1-ring next race the official track or the modded one?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: SRW on September 28, 2016, 10:07:41 PM +0100
sorry for tapping you into a spin at the first corner picnic.
never really got a good feel for the brakes tonight(too used to the luxury of the GT3's ABS!), either locking up or stopping too early. after the race I went through the settings page, think I need to try experimenting with the brake gamma and deadzones before the next race.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Jeffrey on September 28, 2016, 10:09:57 PM +0100
sorry for tapping you into a spin at the first corner picnic.
never really got a good feel for the brakes tonight(too used to the luxury of the GT3's ABS!), either locking up or stopping too early. after the race I went through the settings page, think I need to try experimenting with the brake gamma and deadzones before the next race.

Like MJ said before the race, you were on the hard tyres. That doesn't help with braking either  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 28, 2016, 10:53:40 PM +0100
I really enjoyed that race tonight  8) before this eve I was thinking I wasn't feeling the love for the gt2's and was missing gt3 especially after watching the real Blancpain Nurburgring race the other day, but tonight restored my enthusiasm. The fezza felt very racey and love it's screaming revs v8  8)

Qually was decent enough though I struggled to improve any time over my pb.

Just before race start I upped my front wing to 3 and it was an inspired move to reduce my understeer problem in some corners.  :)

Got a good start and mixed it up with a few cars without any contact. Have to say the antics of GaryP and Michael looked too wild On lap 1 as both appeared to be taking multiple lunges into corners on stone cold tyres and luckily for the rest of us they appeared to keep hitting each other. Bit daft guys, you had another 39 minutes and 23 laps to get past a car  :( no need to go crazy in the first turns and ruin your own races, but I know racing adrenalin can take over sometimes.
I shook out of lap 1 in 4th and set about chasing Marks Corvette. It was a long pursuit always within a couple of secs and we both closed on Eck ahead. Eventually after half the race, Mark ran wide under pressure and I got through into 4th.
Then I had to steadily reel in Ecks corvette and this took another long lot of laps. Finally I got a great exit out of the final corner got in his tow and slipstreamed past for 3rd  :)
Eck kept me in pursuit but I slowly pulled out a good lead and earned a hard earned 3rd place on the podium  :thumbup1:

Got some twinges whenever I used more lock but think the heat I generated kept my aching ribs in check  :sweatdrop:

Congrats to Jeff and Maikel for 1st and 2nd in a league of their own  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Linus27 on September 29, 2016, 09:43:51 AM +0100
Mark, I wasn't racing anyone, just holding my line. I even let you pass me as I wasn't even in a racing mood. After my car was hit, something was broken and it kept locking up and pitching every time I touched the brakes so I was just trying to keep out of the way but got hit again.

Anyway, that's racing :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 29, 2016, 11:41:31 AM +0100
i will watch the replay and put my judges hat on  :smartass: :hang:

Has someone got the replay?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Linus27 on September 29, 2016, 11:55:24 AM +0100
I saved the replay so I can upload later.

Not looking for anyone to get any penalties etc. Just one of those things but I was just trying to keep out of the way and keep my car under control.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: spanner on September 29, 2016, 12:27:07 PM +0100
There was plenty going on on that first lap, afterwards I felt a little guilty myself, probably being too defensive as I think Gary was along side for a couple of corners and though I was trying to give space alongside, that's not the normal racing line and we hit the side of each other. With one eye on the mirror it seems then Gary didn't recover and then encountered others as well as somehow MJ ended up behind me. I did fell like I made a rubbish start, got too sideways, letting Eck through and then felt under pressure.

elt reasonably comfortable with MJ behind but as the race went on the slower hairpins were getting tighter as I was getting understeer, if I didn't get the line right I was struggling to keep it in limits and so ended up on that last tight LH before the last two RHer corners I drifted off on the grass slightly letting Mark through.

It had seemed we were catching Eck slowly, he had decided to go with softs, but he seemed to just be able to keep ahead until the last lap when I could carry far more speed in the last corner than him and got by.


Hadnt tried softs, tried them in qually and ended up just getting 3rd, only 7ths away from Jeff  :o Err whats going on lol


I had also ran high front wing, think it was 3-5, With the braking you have to get out of the habbit of just pressing the pedal, I think I was using just my big toe to exert pressure on the pedal, barely moving it!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Maikel K. on September 29, 2016, 02:35:34 PM +0100
Replay: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0i9p7ftdbddaqa/gt2_portugal_something?dl=0


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 29, 2016, 07:18:45 PM +0100
Thanks Maikel, will take a look this eve.

As to the question on the a1-ring, it will be the official version.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 29, 2016, 11:06:55 PM +0100
Well I watched the replay but it didn't seem half as bad as it looked from my cockpit in the heat of action  :-\
Gary is over eager and bumps Linus a couple of times and side swipes Spanner but all light unnecessary contacts. Then at the final over the crest corner, Linus gets out of shape under braking, runs wide to avoid rear ending the car ahead then lunges a bit wildly down the hill and actually loses the car sideways before Gary crashes broadside into him. In fact they were both off the Tarmac at the point of main contact So were as bad as each other! :P  ;)

Therefore no action but both get a warning to use a bit more caution on lap 1 and cold tyres.  :angel: next time it'll be a penalty.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Linus27 on September 29, 2016, 11:46:37 PM +0100
Well I watched the replay but it didn't seem half as bad as it looked from my cockpit in the heat of action  :-\
Gary is over eager and bumps Linus a couple of times and side swipes Spanner but all light unnecessary contacts. Then at the final over the crest corner, Linus gets out of shape under braking, runs wide to avoid rear ending the car ahead then lunges a bit wildly down the hill and actually loses the car sideways before Gary crashes broadside into him. In fact they were both off the Tarmac at the point of main contact So were as bad as each other! :P  ;)

Therefore no action but both get a warning to use a bit more caution on lap 1 and cold tyres.  :angel: next time it'll be a penalty.

Thanks for looking Mark. After my first hit, something broke on my car big time (the damage indicator went red on the rear) and it kept pitching to one side. The left corner before the crest you can see me correcting as it started to rotate. The reason I ran wide at the end was the car just lost all control and pitched to the right. I wasn't even racing any more as I was just trying to keep the car straight. I think I did one more lap before pitting and it was a nightmare to control. No idea what broke but as soon as I tried to turn or come off the throttle, the car violently pitched to one side.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Mark J on September 30, 2016, 02:12:44 PM +0100
In that case it's mainly Gary's lap 1 car thumping that's under scrutiny as it seems his early contacts on your car caused it to be wayward for the final few turns of lap1. To be fair Gary held his hands up anyway.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 2 GT2 Challenge Cup - Portimao - Sep 28
Post by: Linus27 on September 30, 2016, 02:23:26 PM +0100
In that case it's mainly Gary's lap 1 car thumping that's under scrutiny as it seems his early contacts on your car caused it to be wayward for the final few turns of lap1. To be fair Gary held his hands up anyway.

Yeah, I have no issue with Gary  ;D