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GT2's at the Hockenheimring

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Booking: 18.15 (60mins) for those not on the pre-entry list.
Practice: 19:15 (60mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 24 Laps (approx 40mins)

Cars allowed:
All GT2 class cars

Track: Hockenheim GP
Link http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/hockenheimring-multi-layout.7223/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/hockenheimring-multi-layout.7223/)

Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Skins (optional) :-
Sharks BMW -  https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqbmIBVqjlgPgqJo3TexjUhOIrtHBw (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqbmIBVqjlgPgqJo3TexjUhOIrtHBw)
Ecks Corvette - https://www.mediafire.com/?8v4um2f9kbxrau5 (https://www.mediafire.com/?8v4um2f9kbxrau5)

Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Cloudy
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 60%

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

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Anyone tried the track yet? I haven't but the reviews seem mixed, some reporting fps issues. Hopefully its up to the job :)

I don't know Hockenheim all that well, only from brief sessions on the F1 games years ago, I remember the sharp hairpin after the long straight, can picture a lot of locking up there.

Was planning on trying it out tonight. Never driven it Gary? shocking :P

Well not in any sort of serious manner, never in AC anyway. Done some time trial stuff many years ago, though can't remember much about the track.

Bit off topic - but this Historic version of Hockenheim interests me greatly, definitely more interesting than the newer one :P

http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/wip-60s-hockenheim-update.125055/

Don't know why there is mixed reviews other than it involves humans so always will be  ;D

It's a great looking conversion and we have raced here successfully before without issue.

I'm old enough to have watched and sim raced on both the old and new versions of the infamous Hockenheim circuit. The old layout was a flat out power fest through the brooding Teutonic forests  :o

Apologies for no race banner yet but I'm flat out with real life  :( will try and put one up st the weekend unless there are any budding graphic designers amongst us?  :-\

Any chance we can change the time of day or cloud conditions? The track seems so dark and its not always easy to see the corner even when your ontop of it. Turning into the kink after the haipin isnt easy, when you think you should turn in, wait a second and it will appear!

Have tried some of the PP presets to see if they can help.

We have run this track conversion before but was it as bad as this? horrible LODs, and poor track surface.

I had no problem with the lighting, its perfectly visible and its October in Germany so the sun does not shine like Abu Dhabi  :P I actually quite liked seeing a cloudy sky in the race for a change.

can you tell me your settings then? I try and run things quite low for FPS on triples so might just be something i havent set.


I also find that if i look behind or change camera its like it auto adjust the exposure which doesnt help in this regard also. within  second it goes from nice and bright to something pretty dark.

Though it might be something else as even on the desktop, if i move my steam window out of my left monitor it does it then and it getts brighter. super wierd  :(

Decent version of the track, no problems from me.

Quite enjoy the layout too, T10 is quite tricky for me, constant understeer! And braking too, I find a more rearward Bias helps reduce braking distances, but makes the last section (T15, 16 and 17) a bit wild  :laugh:

Did some more practice with the AI... god they are awful at first corners, they slow to a crawl! Makes for some crazy Max Verstappen moves round the outside T1 though  :P

Yeah I had terrible understand in my first practise session. More setup tweaking required!

Haven't experimented with Aero yet, not sure if a low drag setup will be useful or not; I think a higher DF setup will provide the fastest and most comfortable laptime, but in the race the long straight might call for low drag to not get mugged.

Understeer? I'm getting oversteer half the time. Lowering the traction control allows you to keep the speed in and it even keeps the mediums right on temperature.

And it's more fun  ;D

Well, its just the one corner I'm having understeer, probably more to do with my driving than the car tbh  :laugh:

And I haven't yet turned on TC - I know its a strange way of going about things but I like to start the race preparation by sort of 'handicapping' myself, or starting with the 'worst case scenario' - ie. I always start with a full tank, keep TC off, and have track grip at slow (95%ish).

Only once I feel i've gotten the best I can out of those settings do I jump on the server with full grip, and removing excess fuel, then giving myself the luxury of TC. Probably gives me a false sense of progression, but I enjoy it.  ;D

That probably won't give you the optimal setup, as you will tend to make it more stable than is required. Everybody has their own way, but I'd recommend just doing the practice on the server :).

Bit of a noob question, but what setting is default traction control? ie if I set it at say TC 5 what number puts it back to default? Also what setting do you recommend for the F458?  :-[

Default is 1/12. This puts the traction control at his highest and while safest, its alot slower in my opinion. Higher settings ( like 10/12 ) means less TC.

You can change it while racing with control + T. I usually have it at 6/12 and maybe change it abit per track so I can easily catch a slide at full throttle with just some counter steering. Imo it's faster this way.
Think I had it at 8 on this track. It really helps throwing the rear around abit with a few corners.

And like I said, it's more fun  ;D

Careful, every car is slightly different, some cars dont all go up 12, and i've noticed with the corvette, when you stick it on it defaults to 2 out 12. So not really sure if 1 is max TC or not!

I use alt-T but you can also map TC+ and TC- in the control settings. They seemed to appear for the F1 cars but i assume still work for the others?

So 1 is max assist reduces the higher the number?

I always run TC a few notched up from completely off so in the Fezza it's around 8.

well I cured my understeer into acute oversteer, but much prefer it that way  :) and it improved my pb by 1.1 second  :scooter:

I had a brief try with lower TC (3) but I seemed to lose time rather than gain but it was late and I was knackered so will try again tonight with various settings.

I'm loving this track but so struggling :(

Interesting, I lave it on max!

Hi guys, i am back for action...almost. Got the newish desktop up and running with AC. Still need to install a faster CPU and more Ram memory, but i think i will do the race tonight if i can source me a decent setup from the web.

As for this track. Did some benchmarking on my system, running an Asus GTX670 and on Hockenheim it suffered from lower fps then on the vanilla Red Bull Ring. Now the Geforce Experience app suggested to put all setting to maximum, so will dumb down the grafics for tonights race.

I spent all my praccy time last night setting up my new triple screen setup (central 24'' and 2x22'') on a proper 3 screen stand  :o so although it looks amazing (and almost car cockpit size real!) I hardly turned any laps. Can see the brake markers a lot easier now though ;D

The problem with the f458 is it feels great on softs but as soon as you stick mediums on its bloody awful  :(

Looks like my Redbullring setup works great, but its on softs. Yet to actually try and make the mediums work yet :-\

Sorry Mark et al, I'm not gonna make the final two races. Previous engagements, getting in the way. Tonights is every two months, plenty time for my feeble-mind, to forget. Actually, next weeks is once a month and I forgot about it too..  :-[

And unlike the GT3's, I seemed to have (more of) a clue with these...  ::)

Done all my practice with meds so far, I'll be on softs tonight. I found the softs lasted pretty well at Austria, so I guess they'll be fine here too - not many fast corners to really stress them out.

Oh, also, how many laps this time?

I'll be setting 24 unless Mark says differently.

Yep sorry 24 it is  :)

And sorry to hear Eck, another regular off the roster  :'(

Well, that could have gone better, but then it could have gone worse.

Only got back in time to see 3 mins left of qually, had no setup, no practice. Discovered in race I was well short on the gearing and was bouncing off the limiter for a good 600 yards on the long straight so was losing 3 - 4 tenths on the straight. Despite having to sit at a very funny angle to even race tonight my pace would have been ok if I'd had any practice and qually.

Shame as I love these cars and would like to be competitive if only I could practice first, even for 5 laps. Children! Bah! Our 2nd child is only 9 weeks old and not very good at sleeping! :-)

Where did you dig up that version of the track btw Mark, it was definitely the worse version of Hockenhiem I've ever seen! It had the right layout, but beyond that, I was one of the worst 3rd party tracks I've seen in a while.

Well done to Eck on the win. Wish I had time to practice, might have been fighting for podium myself then!

We've raced this track at least twice before, but it looked very gloomy and depressing with that cloud cover. Mind you it made some brake lights easier to spot and you really noticed the glowing brake disks. Shame in the Rift a couple of corners were so hard to see.

Some great battling going on so the race made up for the location. And Shark I used the same setup as last week, no problem with hitting the rev limiter for me :P

Well, what an amazing race. I was really struggling with tuning myself in to the track and really struggled with turn in points, braking points and overall speed in practises so I was expecting to have a terrible race and had a mindset of just look at it as a virtual track day.

So I qualified 6th which was better than I expected and then made an amazing start and found myself in 3rd on lap 1 which was new territory for me. I then had an awesome battle with Mark, Pete and Maikel which to be honest I was surprised lasted for so long. I was driving out of my skin which probably showed but my little white Ferrari did me proud but I could keep you guys back for much longer and with about two thirds of the race gone, you got past and I found myself in 6th. With my tyres gone, a few laps later, Simon past me and I ended up finishing 7th.

Still, it was an amazing race, just so much fun and amazing driving standards as usual.

Congrats to Eck on the win, great work fella :)

I rushed in, turned on my PC, fired up AC and just had 3 minutes left. No time for faffing around with useful things like getting your setup. :-)

While visually the track wasn't that great it was a really good race overall.

With Jeffrey gone I decided to start somewhere from the back (7th I think) and race on the Hards. That was quite tricky as they were missing alot of grip when braking, which made for some awesome racing though  8)
Had some great battles throughout almost all of the race, really was pushing those tyres to the limit.

Gratz to Eck on the win, I was catching by the end, since your tyres were probably pretty wasted by then I assume, while those hards weren't such a bad idea strategically speaking since they were pretty much still OK  ;D

That was a superb race tonight, so much very close multi car racing it was incredible!  :o 8)

I think I was in very close battle for at least 14 of the 24 laps until my soft tyres went off. It gives you new appreciation of how in f1 that the front guys get to keep their tyres in good condition from being able to pick their braking points, clean lines etc as opposed to being in a close fight with others where your having to react constantly, brake harder than normal and take different corner entries etc...no wonder your tyres and brakes get hotter and worn out  :o

Had a fab long bumper chase of Michael for many laps until Maikel caught me and Pete sneaked through in his slipstream. From then on until lap 14 it was amazing 4 car action and totally clean. Great stuff.

Shame some of you didn't like the moody weather, I liked it for a change of scene and I personally think this is a great version of Hockenheim that we've used a few times now  :) also, as far as I know it is the only version for AC.
Glad we had 10 runners in the end as it was looking a bit quiet in practise. From all the action you couldn't tell it wasn't 20 cars!

Really enjoyed that race, though made some mistakes that cost me.

Had the best quali i've ever had with P1 - but only since Maikel decided to not run  :laugh: I noticed your fastest race lap on Hards almost matched my quali lap on Softs!  :o  But I happily took it anyway - my first few laps had a lot of mistakes and were slower than my practice, but I knew with no mistakes I could match Ekins - and my last lap (after the checkered flag) I pulled it off, by a mere 0.011!

For me that was the highlight, my heart was racing, and I could barely get settled enough to start the race.

Anyway, the start was decent, Spanner was alongside into turn 1 and I think I gave him plenty room but we touched side by side anyway (wouldn't mind seeing a replay). Wasn't too bad, its was a super minor contact but Assetto Corsa being the way it is, my downforce/drag was crap!  :o

Had no pace down the straight, and had lost a lot of DF as well. Next lap I locked up into T2, letting Eck passed  :P Not sure if I'd have been able to hold him off for long anyway. He never pulled away too much, but I was just waiting the whole race for the inevitable - Maikel to catch me  :laugh:

Didn't take too long, think about lap 17 or 18 he was gaining fast and I made another error at T2, but again, he would 100% passed anyway.

After that, it was all about trying to keep my podium, as I was really struggling, and Picnic was catching. On the last 2 laps I made silly errors on the last corner, but managed to keep him at bay.

 ;D

Oh, a note on the gloomy weather - I actually don't mind a change, but I really couldn't see the track  :laugh: It was just too dark, I think it might have been compounded by the fact wasn't all that great visually anyway - it might have worked better at another circuit.

As with every other race, I ran softs. Stick with what you know.

Got an amazing launch, amazingly clear run to turn one. Where Mark (Spanner) was suddenly broadside, got round the outside and found myself second... :o "What do I do now?". "Just sit in and hope to hold on", atleast a little longer, than previous outings. As Gary has mentioned, he wasn't gonna let me do that.. :laugh:. As I wasn't able to get to my fastest time, in qually. Was sure I would come back to everyone. As a gap was never really there, I was even more sure, every lap would end with me behind someone. When I saw Maikel get to second, it was inevitable surely... :'(.

I started the final lap with no gap, straight line speed was all that was keeping me ahead. Though I'd surrendered to the idea of being passed at some point, I somehow mustered the "turn in early n defend", from somewhere. I've no illusion, I lucked into a set of circumstances. And all this, after having crashed out of the race, I should have been doing.

I'm keeping it though, I'll brag about it for years too....

Nice one Eck, a deserving win if you ask me. You still had to drive the car at the end of the day and keep it on the grey stuff so well done.

Can you remove me from the booking file please, I don't like all the DNF's for nothing  ;)

Nope - turn up and race  ::)

 :jumpjoy:

Yeah man-up Jeff, get your slow-ass back on the grid  ;D. Me and Sharky are both injured yet still racing  :P

He's scared of being beaten by humans I reckon ????