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Based on the fact I seem to be fighting a losing battle to please more than any 10 random drivers each week I thought I'd shake it up and let the majority choice decide the event as I am happy to race any of them  :)

I voted Carrera S, but I think Cobra's are fine as well. Haven't driven any of them, but don't like the Escort and AC Zandvoort isn't good.

Same as Jeff, those 2 are fine by me. Didn't like the escorts series over at Core aswell, except at Bridgehampton. The only track I really enjoyed the car with. I think that track deserves some more oldtimer love  ;D

You haven't realised yet that there will be no consensus!

Carrerra at Brands is my first vote but my second would be RSR at Zandvoort.

But it will ultimately come down to my ability to drive the car when I practise!

i would vote for RSR at Zandvoort as well :) gotta be loads of fun

See top of thread for Poll

I also edited the thread to allow you two votes but can stick to your one preferred choice. Can always race 2nd popular the week after though Porsche dlc2 may be out by then  ;)

So pork Carreras at Brands is edging it so far, should be a nice combo  :)  votes are just piling in  :laugh:

I would say Carrera S at Brands but can't we throw some Lotus cars into the mix or other cars that can compete as well??

Nice idea but without extensive testing I wouldn't know what cars were a match in handling and performance and sure as eggs are eggs, if one car has an advantage most will drive that. Would like to do some 'trackday challenge' type races sometime though.  :)

Ferrari 488 GTB - 1'18.47
Lamborghini Aventador SV - 1'18.52
Porsche Cayman GT4 - 1'21.93
Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0 - 1'21.97
Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1'22.02
Porsche Panamera Turbo - 1'22.16
Corvette Stingray - 1'22.60

Nice Chris, its that kind of benchmark testing we need for the whole set of cars.  :) Are those times all set at Brands GP?
How did you test the gt3 RS? we haven't got that yet have we?

 There was a car list a while back https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13319.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13319.0) but I no longer know if its still relevant since all the updates and extra new cars. We could do with updating it with these new DLC cars.

Re the Lotus cars, I don't think any of them are similar to the Carrera S enough to race with  :-\ The Evora v Cayman maybe?

I went to http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/  and compared the fastest times vs the Carrera S, which did a 1:38 at Brand GP.

Cars that around 1 second that I found were:

M4
F40 Stage 1 (weird combo :P)
GT40 (again, weird combo)
Lotus Evora GTE Carbon
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3
Lotus Exige V6 CUP (faster than Porsche)
Mazda MX5 CUP is a bit over a second slower, but closer than expected, still, won't be a match, but close.
Mazda RX7 TUNED, same as the MX5, slower but fairly close.
Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
Porsche Panamera Turbo
RUF CTR Yellowbird (probably bit too fast on a single lap)
Shelby Cobra


These were obviously all hotlap times, so not reliable for race distance. Saw quite a lot of cars around the 1:40 range and F40, GT40 and Shelby were actually quite close, but they were proven to be quite impopular.

Carrera vs M4 looks fun I think, maybe add 1 Lotus, but not sure where they really fit in a race.

I tried a variety of sportscars on track with the Carrera S at Brands this morning. The Evora gte was same laptimes driven by AI (1:40) which was also my pb's so far with 30L fuel on. M4's were slower at 41/42 but prob quicker in fast human hands.

I also tried the Cobras at old Silverstone - stunning on my triple screens  8) and great fun with all these driftastic turns as were the gt40's  :o 8) me feels a xmas multi heat special on the cards using a different car over say 3 heats of 20 mins.

Oops... Just pretend you didnt see that.

It was at Magione

Seeing a lot of people struggling to practice for 1 car, having to learn 3 tricky cars is not recommended IMO.

Hasnt the carerra s got a bug in its suspension values meaning it bounces around quite bad?

It feels a bit wallowy to me like a softer sprung car, whether that's due to said bug I don't know. Still pretty good fun to race around Brands in it, especially a pack of them  :)

This was fixed with the latest update AFAIK

Tried the Carrera S vs the M4 Akrapovic and they were really close, within a few hundredths. Think that might be a fun combo.

I'm happy to put a choice in the mix if it works. Can one of you quick honchos see what you can get with the Evora? But all car choices must be able to run on semi slicks, no fancy racing tyres.

which evora?

Was already testing some cars which I listed before:

M4 Standard version is too slow
M4 Akrpovic To me, right on par
Lotus Evora GTE Carbon Too fast
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3 Too fast, STD version is too slow
Lotus Exige V6 CUP Too fast
Mazda RX7 TUNED Quite equal, but a totally different kind of car, feels more like a drift car and maybe the age difference makes it look out of place
Porsche Panamera Turbo Too slow

If we were planning a series of races then i could understand but as its just a one off... why?

Try the Evora GTE Jeff! The Carbon is 100kg lighter than the standard one.

Managed to get into the 41's on a rare clean lap with the 911. Tried a few in the Evora but was too erratic but i could get it in the 41s i think.

Does the real car run that much rear camber? the front has very little on default. Any idea on its brake bias? keep losing the rear almost mid-apex alot.

Because everyone has their preferred car make and if a variety works together, why not? I'll still be in a porsche  ;D
But if suspicion of any having a clear advantage i would rather make it single make.

Evora normal, non carbon. May have been gte, can't remember.

I'm on 1:40 in the pork. Yes I thought rear camber was oddly high, I also added a tad more front. Err why are you touching the brakes mid apex? Sounds like your trying to throw the car into the corners too fast, brake before turn in get the weight shifted onto front wheels and power out the corner not into it.

I've just done an afternoon testing at Brands GP and found the M4, Exige S, Exige V6, Evora GTE were all within a second +|- of the Porsche 911 Carrera S so all competive. I would personally pick the Exige S or V6 as my weapon of choice against the Porka :)

BMW M4 Akrapovic vs. Carrera S sounds like the best/most balanced combo to me.

Yeah, they seem very equal. The Lotus cars are easily a second faster and that's with default setup and they have a lot more setup options, so they can in theory be even faster. Haven't tried the normal GTE yet.

I've just done some more testing and racing. The Lotus Exige V6 dropped into the 1.38's and 1.39's. The Evora GTE also just dropped into the 1.39's. So I would say possibly exclude them.

The Carrera S, Lotus Exige S and M4 were all within half a second of each other and all in the 1.40's. The field was also mixed so it wasn't a case of all the Exige S being together, all the M4's being together and all the Carrera S being together.

These three seem fairly equal and competitive.

If you want to see whats competative, just check rsr. Choose the track you want and go through the cars.. Saves hours of testing.

Right, what to do next week?  :)

I had planned to race the Cobras at old Silverstone for some driftastic racing but with all this lovely new Porsche content it makes sense to race more of that...maybe.
Give me some combos below and I'll put a few in a poll to see what's most popular. Sadly I have got zip all time to test any combos at the moment due to work/RL so I'm relying on you lucky guys who get more seat time. Your efforts are appreciated  :-*

I think something similar to what we had today but cars that are competitive against the 911 GT3. Not sure what that would be but I'm thinking maybe the Nissan GTR Nismo, Audi R8. Dont think there are any Lotus or BMW cars though.

these are mostly guesses at what might be good..

718 RS @ Silverstone '67
962's Vs C9 @ Lemans  (C9 takes ballast or uses hard tyres)
F40 vs GT3RS @ Sebring (apparently they are identical lap times... )
911 GT1 vs F1 GTR @ Spa (GT1 has to use hard tyres)
GT4 Clubsport @ Imola
Cayman GT4 vs Stingray @ Donington National

And the 919 at Spa or Silverstone  :angel:

f40 v GTRS? are you sure?  :laugh:

Plus as much as I like some of the top race cars, as we have found, no point picking a car too hard to master or we get either a low turnout or too spaced out a race  :( so 919's and 718's are out for now, 962 is a good maybe. Keep going!  :P

718 rs is the old 60's thing.. Cant get mich slower.

This or the Porsche 911 GT1 at Monza ;)

Nothing sounds appealing so far.

962 at Spa

Gt1( doesnt feel too bad)

919 (actually is probably the easist to just drive)

Apart from the 5 million electric options you have.

I will do some propper testing this aft..

Only tried the 911 GT1 yesterday evening on Nords. Top race car! And not crazy difficult to keep on the track for us non aliens.

The setup gives 5 options for hybrid use. I though in the LMPs it was supposed to be all automatic in its use?

Oops sorry misread in my haste thought you meant the 918 Spyder  :-[

Mark, if you are fee at any point i can set some servers up just to practise the combos. :)

Just pick something terrible, as I can't be there next Wednesday  ;)

I was driving the 962 at sebring last night for hours! Such a great combo.

As much as I like the sound of that combo, as always I'm hindered by lack of numbers to make it an event. A track like Sebring needs a good grid or it quickly becomes merely hot lapping on your own.  :'(

Sebring??? Where is this Sebring that you talk about. It is my favourite track.

Agree with ChrisR great track/car combo

We want to do some 962 races as well, so im sure some RRL people would join that.

About the track: since when there is a decent mod of Sebring in AC? I just know there is one with odd surface physical mesh that isnt really up to the standard...

I was thinking. Could the P4/5 competitione, Evora GX and Praga P1 be a match. RSR times are looking quite equal?

And what about the 235i Cup vs Lotus 2-11? Or the MX-5 cup car vs a Lotus Scura/240R?

I spent last night testing a whole bunch of cars to try and group them together. I ran Imola as its a track we've not used for a while and it has a mix of long straights, slow tight corners and fast sweeping corners so a good mix. Below are the groups I found worked well. I have grouped them into the times they were doing, for example, the first group are cars that lapped in the 1.53 minute to 1.55 minute range.

Imola: 1.53m - 1.55m

Ferrari 488 GTB
Lamborghini Gallardo SL
McLaren MP4-12C
RUF RT12 R

Imola: 1.56m - 1.57m

Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
Lotus 2-11 GT4
Maserati MC GT4
Ferrari 458 Italia
Toyota Supra MKIV T/A

Imola: 1.58m - 2.00m

KTM X-Bow
Lotus 2-11
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Mercedes SLS AMG
Audi R8 Plus

Imola: 2.02m - 2.03m

Mazda RX7 Tuned
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3
Porsche Cayman GT4
BMW M235i Racing
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Lotus Exige S
Corvette Stingray C7

Imola: 2.05m - 2.06m

BMW 1M Stage 3
BMW M3 E92
BMW M4
BMW M4 Akrapovic
Ford Mustang

Imola: 2.07m - 2.08m

BMW 1M
Alfa 4C
Porsche Boxster 718 C
Lotus Exige 240R
Lotus Evora S

Imola: 2.09m - 2.10m

Lotus Elise SC
Lotus Elise SC S1
Lotus Elise SC S2
Nissan 370z
Mazda RX7 Spirit R
Nissan GT-R R34 V Spec

I'm going to do some more testing as there are a bunch of cars still missing, for example, Toyota AE86 variants, Toyota GT86, MX5's and then some of the race cars (GT4, Praga etc.)

Saying that, the first two groups were great fun and it would be great to fun a race or two with these at Imola.

Great work Linus. Fastest group looks good fun, except for the X-Bow  :D

Thanks Jeffrey. I'd not actually driven the X-Bow much recently but I was loving it yesterday. Not sure if anything had changed with recent updates or the new tyre model. If there wasn't a Lotus in that group then I would probably pick it :)

Yes good work testing Linus.  :)

 Not really sure a xbow & 2-11 really fit in with those other cars though for racing  :-\ they are a bit more unique in dynamics than the other fast road cars. They don't really fit in the real world against them either.
Would have thought the Huracan fitted in that first group too?

No worries and just trying to group the cars together for times although funny enough, I've done track days where all those cars apart from the Merc were present :) The X-Bow was a pain as you just couldn't see it in your rear view.

I'll keep testing the rest of the cars still :)

List updated with a few more cars :)

I actually forgot we got the Mustang  :o.

All the groups from 1:58 to 2:08 have some nice cars  ;D

That lotus elise sc s2 can do imola in 2'05. :)

I don't doubt it but these are based on my times and to ensure its consistent, I tested each car many times and many times with the AI. The Elise I actually tested a few times more as I couldn't understand why all three versions were similar times but they were. I have no doubt that in the hands of much better drivers, all the cars would be quicker but I needed to keep the testing consistent.

If we did choose any groups, then I would do much more testing to make sure no inormalities had crept in.

I was wondering how much those car groups might change with an alien setting the laptimes  :detective: :whistling:

Hardly an alien.. Just done a lottle practise here n there :)

They shouldn't change that much and if you look at the last race with the Carrera S, Exige S and M4, it was all very close. At the end of the day, an alien will always be an alien regardless of the car they are in.

No list will ever be the holy grail. With patches changing things the whole time, it won't be the same either, but atleast this can give an indication and we can chose a few cars on the list and really test them to see how close they are.
It's easily 15 minutes per car on the list, so imagine the time  :o

So the poll results arent being considered now?

I am sure RSR's @ Zandvoort will happen in not to far future.

Did some online races yesterday with the 718 RS60. It is a supurb race car. Heaps of fun. We should trow this one in the mix too. We ran at VIR, which has a great lay-out for these type of cars.

The poll was for that particular race week and the Carrera S was chosen as it was favourite. I'd be more then happy to run an RSR race at Zandvoort  :) but I try to consider what the majority will turn up for as opposed to my favourite cars!  ;)

I did actually mean the other poll!

No idea where you get that idea from spanner. This is just a list Linus is creating by himself which can make car choices in the future easier. Never is it stated that this will represent what will happen in the future.

Yes, just to confirm, my list is just something I am doing of my own back after the success of the Brands Hatch race with the Carrera S, Lotus Exige S and BMW M4. There were a few comments that it was a good match and interest in doing something similar again at some point. Some of the comments may even be in this thread. So to just see what options there are running different cars together, I thought I would just start testing them and presenting my findings in case Mark or anyone else found it useful for planning any future races. It was never anything official and may never come to anything.

Top 2 choices from the massive  ::) influx of polls suggests Gt racing followed by historic racing are the two clear faves on here, however you can't deny the trackday/road cars race at Brands was a popular event so definitely worth giving some of these groupings a bash again.

I'll run a proper Gt series again in the new year, either a Gt open or British GT themed series  :) That sort of series needs to run every week to maintain momentum so squeezing historic events in may be trickier unless I use another night (Sunday's?)

How about using the trackday cars next week? Oulton park? Imola?

I find whatever category I choose I alienate one driver of another as its not their favoured type of car  :( whereas I'll pretty much race everything as long as it feels quick. I just don't do slow sim cars when I drive fast road cars in RL  ;)

I do like your decision making sometimes ;)

I think if we can say definitely a GT series is planned in the new year then we need to build up to it, and get people back, and not worry so much about the one-off races. People are always going to drift off if there is no long term championship to aim at, or even prize dare I say....

I may moan at the choice but it does give us all a chance to sample cars that we may not immediately choose on our own.

As now most of you all race at Core on sundays its probably not a good night to use to attrackt people. Sadly it seems sundays and Wednesdays are always the chosen nights for most other leagues.

I must admit I am not a fan of the odd fun/pick up race but do love running in championships so really looking forward to what's planned for next year. My choice would be another GT3 championship now that we have some new cars. Hopefully after that has finished we might have some more GT4 and GT2 cars available to us to choose. I'm also not a huge a fan of 3rd party tracks although VIR, Donington and Paul Ricard are all excellent. We should also be getting Laguna Seca in January so another new track to use :)

I'm up for a track day race next week. My choice would be one of the following as they have a nice spread of cars for everyone to choose from and still quick enough to be fun and challenging.

Imola: 1.56m - 1.57m

Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
Lotus 2-11 GT4
Maserati MC GT4
Ferrari 458 Italia
Toyota Supra MKIV T/A

Imola: 1.58m - 2.00m

KTM X-Bow
Lotus 2-11
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Mercedes SLS AMG
Audi R8 Plus

Imola: 2.02m - 2.03m

Mazda RX7 Tuned
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3
Porsche Cayman GT4
BMW M235i Racing
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Lotus Exige S
Corvette Stingray C7

Group 2 is winking at me as I want to give that gt3 RS a blast  :)

I'm not a fan of individual fun races either in the long term but must admit they are good for getting to use all these random great cars that I might not get to have fun with otherwise. I'd love to spend a whole day driving some of these cars around the nordschleife .,.maybe in the xmas break  :)

I love the historic f1 cars in AC too, proper animals that sound and look amazing (especially with triple screen)

I like group 2 also as I get to drive my 2-11 and spin at every corner lol I like group 3 also as such a big choice of cars. I think the RX7 would be fun to try.

How about the Lotus 25 at the full Monza with the banking. That might be fun :)

If any of our resident top guns have some time on their hands, would you mind testing group 2 and checking there is no cars with a clear advantage in alien-esque hands  :alien: ;) ta Muchly

My other favoured option for next week would be to run the legendary Porsche 962's at somewhere evocative like Spa or maybe Monza. There are some amazing skins out for the 962 now and I have collected quite a few of them for a cool skinpack.

So, answers below:-

Group 2 cars @ Oulton Park or Imola
KTM X-Bow
Lotus 2-11
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Mercedes SLS AMG
Audi R8 Plus

or

Porsche 962's at Spa, Monza or ??

I am in favour too of running proper championships. Also gives me a chance of getting a proper setup to build on the week after and not having to fight every week with my one-off mwhah setups  8)

Oh yes, run the GT3's or else everybody runs!... neh, just kidding. These provide good racing, so i am up for it. And i would prefer a British GT track scedule tbh.

Still, a GT4 or a P4/5-Praga-Evora GX championship would be nice too i feel.
And i tried the Lotus 49 last week. Boy that thing is mental!

As for next week:
Group 2 - Track: Oulton Park

The week after that we could run the 962's @ Monza? EDIT make that Road America

I would need to check again but the Praga is a lot slower than the P4/5 cars.

Oulton deffinatly gets my vote..

As for the 962s.. Sebring.. deffinatly sebring..

I would think so too Linus. However AC car time ranking and RSR WR times are fairly close between those cars. Also the Power to Weight ratio is fairly close too.
Surely it needs to be tested. Then again a bit of ballast could do the rest for an equalizer? I will try to test these cars a bit on the weekend then.

Would an one time endurance event be any good before we start our official championship?

I would vote for the Group 2 cars at Imola for next weeks race.

Just did a quick test with the six cars and drove 5 laps with each car at Imola with default setup:

nvm, did it the wrong way ;D

is there a good quality mod of sebring? :o

I couldn't find Sebring at RD track downloads.

I just tried the group 2 cars at imola and I think they will make for a decent race but I have reservations about the ktm and 2-11 fitting in  :-\ they can set a similar laptime but they are eaten up in the straights then can outbrake and hinder in the twisties. The road cars also lack that racing animal characteristic that we all like.

What I did try also was a grid full of 962's at Imola - wow!  :o they were superb! Try it for yourself  8) I really fancy doing a sportscar series using them on a set of iconic tracks for say 1hr races. They are fast but very driveable.

An endurance race would be great fun. Not sure what but gets my vote.

Bare in mind we do have Christmas coming up so i imagine people will not be around for a few weeks?

Yes was thinking that we probably only have next week and even that's a no for some as we are in festive season from now for works doos etc.

My latest times at Imola.

Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:57.905
Nissan Nismo GTR - 1:58.387
Lotus 2-11 - 1:58.691
KTM X-Bow R - 2:00.183
Audi R8 V10 Plus - 2.00.419
Mercedes SLS AMG - 2:01.589

RSR Imola Times

Cayman GT4 Clubsport - 1:53.306
MP4-12C - 1:53.618
Lotus 2-11 GT4 - 1:53.612
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:54.320
Ferrari F40 - 1:54.956

RUF RT12R - 1:55.740
Nissan Nismo GTR - 1:55.847
Ford GT40 - 1:55.833
KTM X-Bow R - 1:55.926
Ruf Yellowbird - 1:55.993
Lotus 2-11 - 1:56.103

Mercedes SLS AMG - 1:57.109
Audi R8 V10 Plus - 1:57.253
BMW M235i Racing - 1:57.853

ive just added more which may suit as well.  i think you would be safe to select any one of them groups.

Thanks for all the testing gents, good to see the comparative laptimes.  :)
Still tricky to choose which cars to compete closely with as what one guy can achieve in a certain car isn't necessarily what others can achieve in it! All I could do is ask the aliens to maybe take a slight underdog to level the playing field as a well driven slower car will probably still conquer an average racer in a faster car and be a better challenge for both.  :-\

I dont mind picking the slower cars, as long as they are nice to drive.. I wouldnt be picking a slow car if i hated it..

I think the cayman -----> F40 selection would be pretty good.

Mark,

Just to throw another option into the mix. As it was mentioned next week might be the last race where we have a fuller grid, why not make it easy and run a 1hr endurance race at something like Spa in the Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport. That way we get an endurance race, its a spec car and Spa is always a blast. I'm happy if the race was even longer but not sure if others would.

hell, i would do a 3/4 endurance race.. i would just pull into the pits and have a 5 min break. lol

just to add on the endurance thing..

i know that they are looking into timed races, that would mean that multi class racing will be possible (to a point) it would just need the back end to differentiate the classes.

fingers crossed it comes for 1.11.0

But what ever is decided can it be done soon so we have plenty of time to practise for it. The weekend is my only free time!

Did I hear someone say a 2 hour endurance with the 919?  8)

Seriously though, tried it abit on public servers, they seem quite popular. Had about 20 people at Spa, half didn't know what they were doing and crashed into eachother at the start. Still a few didn't know the car had a boost so they were 5 seconds a lap slower... But a few knew what they were doing  ;D
And it really brings a totally new level to racing, trying to decide if you will use that boost to defend on the first straight or save it all up to boost away in the last sector. Only the level of clean racing and people deliberately punting others off ruined it abit, but thats pubracing  8)

And the 919 is alot easier to drive compared to the F1 cars while still being alot of fun. Probably my favorite car at the moment.  ;D

Lol I'd second that! Why cant game makers give a manul with games anymore! Wasnt sure what i need to bind Kers, MGU-h +/- plus people say theres 3 columns on the wheel but i can only see two and not sure what the blue is doing ... but even running the hotlapping setting in the setup had me laughing by how insanely quick the car is..

I haven't even tried the 919 or modern f1 car yet purely because I can't be bothered to learn and configure all the hybrid nonsense. Will sample its speed at some point.
If I ran an endurance it would be using the Porsche 962, my fab car of the moment, love the low down cockpit view  8) I think they would make an epic 6 1hr long race sportscar series...just saying  ;)

Like I said, the 919 isn't that difficult ( except setups, but the default was pretty good on spa )

You need 3 buttons assigned. The Kers and the MGU +/ -. For the bars you'll only need to look at the yellow and green. Green is overall battery level and the yellow is what you'll have availabe per lap. Yellow replenishes when crossing finish line, green slowly refills when braking/coasting.

For Spa I just put the setting on Low Preserve and use the Kers manually on straights and out of some corners. Hotlap setting usually runs out before the finish on a longer track. Switching to charging mode is handy aswell when there is a moment of calm during the race because ur kinda screwed when the green bar runs out and someone chasing you. ;D

But yeah, those 962's are pretty good aswell and fun to race.

Yes yes yes yes just ******* yes!!

Although... 1 hour is more like a sprint race.. If were going to do it.. Lets do it right! Choose 5 or 6 tracks then roll a dice for the hours of each one!

[ edited to remove swearing ]

Can we refrain from posting strong swear words please.

Agreed - no need for it and it's also in contradiction to the agreement concerning acceptable posts accepted when joining up.

Lol, I just wish all the posts on here were that enthusiastic  ;D usually i just get some criticism  :surrender:

Ps Maikel thanks for the explanation on the hybrid, will give it a run when I next get some spare time  :)

Great! A couple of slightly longer races with the 962's. Sounds good to me.
Should it be 1.2 hours then Chris? ;)

I seriously would love to have an "endurance" race, i remember i did the Gran Turismo 3 or was it 4 lemans 24hr endurance race.. on my own! haha when i needed a break i just sat just before the pits then carried on when i was ready, same could be applied here, if you need a rest just pull into pits and carry on when you are ready... think of it like a mechanical issue your pit crew is sorting out. lol but i think its just a dream for me :(

i still say just get a dice and roll it, then just half the number for the hours used..

eg, roll :

1 = 30min sprint
2 = 1 hour
3 = 1.5 hour
4 = 2 hour
5 = 2.5 hour
6 = 3 hour

that really would be a bloody ace series!

it would have to be at propper tracks tho which host enduro series.. lemans, nords, silverstone, sebring etc etc..

I would love to do a 1.5 hour endurance race. There's a very good Le Mans available also so this might be fun in the GT3 cars.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

old group C!

Someone will have to PM Andy Purdie if we do a classic Group C event as he's raced these for real

What Group C cars do we have at our disposal? I don't mind going some old historic cars.

Merc C9
962 longtail
962 shorttail

I thought Kunos had taken on the Mazda 787 from the original mod creator? Sure I read that somewhere, so maybe we might get it soonish. :-\

Good to hear I have some interest in a Grp c endurance series and yes it would only use the epic endurance tracks. Problem is I would have to run it on a Sunday for any longer distance, whereas an hour race could happen on a week night.

well im easy any night tbh, i usually race at core but they have an 8 week thing with that abarth which im not going to do so for the time being im free everynight. :) oh, apart from thursdays.. date night.. l:S

sunday night would clash with our R3E races

Can we not start the race half an hour earlier on Wednesday for the endurance event. So qualify would be at 7.45pm and race start is 8pm.

the thing is, nobody can set decent stints when racing for 3 hours without any break..
if you look at real life endurance races, there are multiple drivers sharing one car and they barely do longer stints than 1,5-2 hours, simply because you just cant concentrate for 3 hours straight.


i suggest to do 1,5 hour long races as they are long enough to provide a certain "endurance" feeling, but are not as exhausting and still are manageable.
I competed in ACRL GTE final at Nurburgring Nordschleife last sunday, and 2 hours are just super exhausting.. also RRLs GT3 series which i raced in had a few 2 hour endurance races in the calendar. And i can tell you, all these long races do is make you sit longer in front of your pc, asking yourself why you do this, as the races tend to stretch, the gaps between cars get bigger and you can hardly do consistent laptimes after 90 minutes.

Longest race I did was about 5 hours in Nascar 2003. Thankfully there were lots of yellow due to debris. Lots of wee breaks when in the pits also.

aaaand  you only drove an oval ;D

HAHAHA yep, left all the way :)

I used to love endurance races back in the gtr2/P&g days but do find now I suffer with my neck and shoulders if the race is an hour or longer.  :(
Guess we could make a mandatory pit stop of 5 minutes for all as that can be checked on the lapstats quite easily, though bet even then a few would be tempted to try and cut seconds off it.  :-\
An earlier start time would help too though for those of us married still means the lesser half tolerating us being on the pc racing for most of the evening. ;D

I would only make a race 1.5hrs at most tbh and it also relies on a healthy grid.

if its of any worth:

i probably fire up a group c series at ACRL in 2017 together with Luca (most likely a few rounds first while their main series still has winter break)...
So if you just want to have group c racing you might as well join them, if the time has come :)

if you guys want, i can update you about that once its all sorted and sign ups are open?

Sounds good keep us informed  :)

IIRC when the Mazda pack was released they stated the 787 would be released this year, and I think it was as a free car  ???
It may be this years Christmas freebe if they follow previous years form in that case - or at least we can only hope.....

I doubt it.

Just to say, if everyone enjoyed the track day race yesterday and fancies some more, I think doing the same at Zandvoort would provide equally as good a race as Imola did. Maybe look atvincluding the Ruf as suggested.

would anyone be interested in a F3 race?
i recently fell in love with the car, as it drives like a go kart... easy to manage but not as boring as the Formula Abarth imo.

Zandvoort does seem a good track for these cars.

And I love the F3 cars aswell. Did an entire series with them over at CORE, it was one of my favorites.

Would there be enough interest in an F3 championship? I've not driven the car but would be happy to try them.

I would rather not drive modded cars personally.

Oddly I have fancied doing a single seater series lately but one that's not too complicated to set the car up, ie 3rd springs, kers and all that malarkey. But again, when to fit in and would it be popular enough to run weekly  :-\. I haven't tried the f3 car.

Re the trackday car theme, Zandvoort sounds good, would need testing though and be nice to try another group of cars.  :)

I'm not about next couple of weeks, the race promoter is closed for Christmas  ;)

Mark, I'm happy to test the cars plus Ruf at Zandy. I can also do other cars from the group as well. I quite fancy the Carrera S, Lotus Exige 240R etc.

Don't know how they compare to the F3 cars as I've not driven them but the Formula Easter single seaters are great fun and very simplistic compared to modern single seaters in the setups  :)

2'00 - 2'01

r34
370z
boxster s
boxster s pdk
miura p44



1'57 - 1'58

mustang
countach
rx7
cayman s
escort
evora
quattro step1




1'53  - 1'54

m4
c7
1m stg3
240r
cayman gt4
ruf
carrera s
rx7 tuned

ChrisR, is this Zandvoort? I like the third group (1:53 - 1:54) as the Exige, RX7 and two Porsche's are great fun to race against. Is your time in the Exige 240R standard or the tuned version? I would of thought tuned as standard would be too slow???

standard unless otherwise stated..

they are just the RSR times, my server is up now (ChrisR Race Server) i am just getting times for them, than i will update the list.

Not sure those times are correct. These are the times I've got for each of those cars at Zandvoort.

RUF RT12R: 1:53.277
Porsche Cayman GT4: 1:57.824
Mazda RX7 Tuned: 1:57.705
Corvette C7: 1:58.154
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:58.765
BMW 1M Stage 3: 1:59.864
BMW M4: 1:59.887
Lotus Exige 240R: 2:00.421

The Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3 was 1:58.296

rx7 tuned  -  1'54.310
c7 - 1'55.941

Just tested at Zandvoort the last set of track day cars we used but included the RUF RT12 R as well.

Lotus 2-11: 1:51.789
KTM X-Bow: 1:52.458
RUF RT12 R: 1:52.459
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:53.843
Mercedes SLS AMG: 1:54.157
Nissan Nismo GTR - 1:55.076
Audi R8 V10 Plus - 1:55.240

Interesting that the Nissan is slow now along with the Audi. Compared to how close the times were at Imola between the cars, it looks like weight is an issue at Zandvoort with the Nissan and Audi being much slower and the the 2-11 and X-Bow being considerably faster. Not sure this group of cars are going to work so well together as they did at Imola.

Think Zandvoort is considerably twisties than imola over a lap so exaggerates the different car dynamics. I'd like to try the next set of cars down if possible to include the Carrera S, Caymans lotus Evoras, 370z? Gt86? etc if a group can be cobbled together  :-\

Zandvoort is definatly a handling track, so was Imola.

Pick a group you want based on the times of RSR, then it can be tested further with the people we have here. The 57 and 53 group both look pretty good.

Dunno why i put the lotus 240r on there.. Ignore that one lol.!

Also in my experience, slower cars around zandvoort make better races, zandvoort is a very tricky track.. I have done it in real life and it takes some commitment!

https://youtu.be/M7rIda_L-Fo

I really think the 718 rs 60's speedster would be amazing here but i will have to have a look at whats in the same league.

Will get on and do some testing over the weekend and feed back.

I'm off for Christmas now so will try out some random combos too.
TBH I was expecting to see the trackday specials to be faster at Zandy - and unless the terrible STD setup is removed then the R8 will always be slow!  ;D

Only tested these 2 cars for 2 timed laps
M4 Akrapovic 1:57
C7 1:55

But here is my combo based on RSR:


Audi R8 V10 1:53
Porsche Cayman GT4 1:53

BMW M1 Stage 3 1:54
Porsche Carrera S 1:54

Lotus Evora GTE 1:55
Lotus 240R S3 1:55
Mazda Rx7 tuned 1:55

Alfa 4C 1:56
Lotus Exige S 1:56
Porsche Panamera Turbo 1:56


That last group tho  ;D

So a panamera is as quick round a track as a 4c and Exige?!  ;D oh dear, think we need alternatives  ;)

good work testing though gents   :)

As it was mentioned that slower cars make great racing at Zandy, as an alternative, we could alway run an MX5 Cup race this Wednesday??

praga might be pretty good as a 1 make race..

Yep, this is a good suggestion also. When we first got the car, I tested it at Brands GP and before I knew it, I had done 40 mins of driving.

How about we run a  1 or 1.5 hour endurance race at leMans, Silverstone or Spa in GT3's or GT2's over the Christmas break like we used to in the old GTR2 days. or we could do a similar event in R3E (but it would have to be Spa as I don't think you can get the other tracks)

The Praga would get my vote aswell.

Wouldn't mind a longer race too  8)

GT3 is always a good idea ;D :thumbup1:

I agree, longer race in the Praga would be great. Brands GP??

Is it possible to do reverse grids in AC? I'm just thinking if it would be possible to do 2 X 20 min races in the Mazda Cup with the second race being a reverse grid.

Im up for an enduroz but it would have to have x2 or x4 fuel usage to make us pit more.. Also i would rather do it in the croup c cars... Something different. :)

Alot of the cars being discussed dont really float my boat personally but with i'm now off for two weeks so even a hour race would be fun to do as a special event over Christmas. Though is everyone around for say the 28th?

 :) Count me in (Sauber C9 please) Group C.

With Mark away now, i guess, can i suggest if people want to race next week then they decide sooner rather than later and create a thread in the event group. And PM Picnic to setup the server.

yes it is possible to do reversed grids.. you have to set it up manually though.

just set up a race server with race session only, and the entry list determines the grid position of each driver :)
I take part in a Cayman GT4 Cup at ACRL and they do that as well.. the format is super fun :)


Id be happy to see the Praga get some love, its a great car. Brands Hatch or Zandvoort would be just right for this car imho.

Praga R1 @ Zandvoort

or

Porsche 718 RS 1960 @ Longford   <<<<<<<<Pick this!

I say that as a lot are saying they would like to drive the Praga then let's go for this at Zandvoort.

How long, 45 mins, an hour?

im happy with 30 min sprint race, but if we did 45-60 min can we get 2x fuel so it makes up pit.

switches it up a litle

Praga.

Not driven them but isnt the 718 really slow?

I've spent most of the weekend testing different combinations at Zandvoort. For some reason, it has thrown up some odd results where cars that would usually go together don't and are either much faster or much slower. Anyway, if anyone want some good combo's for their own fun then this is what I have found. All of those cars were within a second of each other so lots of close racing.

Zandvoort
Lotus Exige S: 1:56.355
Porsche Cayman GT4: 1:56.538
Corvette C7: 1:56.974

Mazda RX7 Tuned: 1:57.307
Lotus Evora S Stage 2: 1:57.404
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:57.526

Alfa Romeo 4C: 2:00.022
BMW M3 E92: 2:00.059
BMW 1M: 2:00.123
Porsche Cayman S: 2:00.325
Mazda RX7 Spirit R: 2:00.478
Lotus Elise SC S2: 2:00.782

The second group was certainly a lot of fun :)

its not that slow really.. its a joy to drive  :)

oh ok, though realised i dont have that car pack the praga is in, didnt see the point for those 3 cars.

Speaking of a Praga R1 race...

Luca set one up for tonight 7:30 pm UK Time.

2x 20 minutes @ Brands Hatch


Is anyone interested?

I was actually planning to test all those new Porsche's from the 3rd pack, but I'm always up for a race in these things  8)

I can't wait to try the Turbo S tonight :)

if you participate, just leave a comment in this thread here:https://www.reddit.com/r/acrl/comments/5j6vls/praga_r1_brands_hatch_tuesday_night/

And yeah, i am also super hyped for the new Porsches... this pack should be the one i get the most out of, since we will get the GT3 R (!!!), GT3 Cup (!!!!) and also the almighty GT3 RSR (!!!!!!!!!!!)..

oh, and 1970 908 or something? also superb :D
gotta love Kunos for this.

Don't want to spoil your exitement, but that car is delayed and won't be released this pack.

yup RSR been replaced buy the 911 turbo S..

dont forget the 917K.. amazing car.

yeah i knew that it was delayed ;)
but we will get it nonetheless and that is reason to be excited. :P

Ideas for next week:

The 962 or 917K or the 908
The Porsche cup car
Maybe a GT3 race to test al those new changes
The 919's

There is just so much to chose from  ;D

Though trying out the new cars while they're still hot might attract more drivers

962 vs c9
962 vs 962
908 vs gt40
911 cup car
917k single make
911 rsr 3.0 single make

962's have been brought inline and are now a little faster due to an aero mis calculation, it should now be able to compete with the c9 on certain tracks like leman for instance.

There are loads of really good combos we could do atm.

917k & Carrera RSR 3.0
*cough cough*  ;D

If you pick a suitably twisty/hilly circuit you can probably run the 917k and 908 against each other.
I've been driving the 917 at the 'Ring this week having noticed the special time trial with it and can see now why Porsche would stick to entering 908's there and leaving the 917's to privateer teams!  :o

Also there's a good chance we can find a circuit that will allow a choice between the GT40 (for the masochists) and the 908  :)

I was wondering if the GT40 could also be included. So what twisty circuits do we have? Zandvoort :)

I might be back in time for a race next week  :) will check in every now and then and see what you guys come up with.

Had a very quick blast with some of the new cars, we really are blessed with a stunning set of old and new Pork in AC now  8)
Tried the 911R - frisky! Livelier than the gt3 as its less planted.
Cup car - feisty! Would make a great supercup series
917K - tamer sounds than I expected,  will take a few Laps to get the hang of and felt fast at Spa. Was a tad underwhelmed at first go.
919 - wowza! How fast is that thing?! Would need to recalibrate my analogue driving brain considerably to get on it properly. One for the aliens. Sounds and looks awesome on track though.

Merry Christmas to all,  :sorcerer: had some cracking races in 2016 with a decent turn out quite often, great fun and thanks to all that attended the races :thumbup1:

I haven't done as much testing as I'd like but the 908 and GT40 seem to achieve pretty similar times on several tracks for me. This is running 60l of fuel (default for the 908 it appears) with some minor tweaks as the GT40 in particular is almost impossible to drive hard on the standard setup.

My suggestion would be either Brands or Oulton park (non -chicane).  The version of Oulton I have is a bit rough so unless there's a better version perhaps brands Gp?

The 917k is in another timezone in comparison!

any race tomorrow?

Probably not on the SRou server as I'm not really able to start one. Sorry.

Anything setup, anywhere?

Sadly it looks not  :( obviously leaving the elves in charge didn't work out  :-\  :P

I'm back now  :) which means I need to think of what to race next week. I was intending to start a new gt3 series in the new year but I am now more hankering after something else first, either a porsche cup series or using the group C cars. Guess I may need to start a new poll.  :-\

I would love to do another GT3 championship especially as we have so many cars to choose from now. However, rumour has it we are getting Laguna Seca in January which will be nice to use. So why not do a Porsche Supercup Championship (911 Cup or Cayman GT4 Cup) at the start of the new year for 5 or 6 rounds and then do a new GT3 championship after.

Porsche cup then GT3s.... :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :tt1: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy:



 :whistling:

Been on the prosecco spanner?  ;D

Reading between the lines I think a fair few of us would enjoy a Porsche cup series using the new cup car though I am also wary of alienating those who might not like it.  :-\ a short series would be fun.

Gt3 will come don't worry but just too much good new content to enjoy before we re-run it. Be great to see the new gt3 cars in the mix like f4888 and porker too.

My vote is for the 911 cup  ;D

Much more fun then the cayman and looking at the public servers it's a very popular car.

Also looking forward to a new GT3 season. Need to try out some more but that 488 is looking tasty.
Curious if they'll release the newer Audi and BMW anytime soon.

Group c

Hahaha @ Spanner :)

I've just created a 911 Cup, Audi TT Cup (mod) and Cayman GT4 Cup championship. There's about 3 - 4 seconds between each car so should make for a fun multi class championship.

I'm not sure what car to take yet for a new GT3 championship. The Nissan was good but I fancy a change. I like the Audi but it seems the slowest. Maybe we'll get the new Audi and BMW in time.

Tested where?

Tests i did

Nurb Sprint - 10 laps, 26c, optimum, 30L start, SM, default setup

R8 GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'25.836
Tyre Wear = 99.2452
Fuel Left = 10.0653


Ferrari GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.087
Tyre Wear = 99.2302
Fuel Left = 8.746


Z4 GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.166
Tyre Wear = 99.2764
Fuel Left = 12.9421


Lambo GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.272
Tyre Wear = 99.2203
Fuel Left = 11.0311


Nissan GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.365
Tyre Wear = 99.2393
Fuel Left = 8.6046


Porsche GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.371
Tyre Wear = 99.2188
Fuel Left = 12.1901


650 GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.386
Tyre Wear = 99.2983
Fuel Left = 9.3727


AMG GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'26.827
Tyre Wear = 99.2616
Fuel Left = 10.2674


SLS GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'27.193
Tyre Wear = 99.2835
Fuel Left = 10.2073


MP4-12C GT3

Fastest Lap = 1'27.471
Tyre Wear = 99.3104
Fuel Left = 6.9256

Fastest = R8
Slowest = mp4-12c
Worst tyre wear 911 gt3
Worst fuel rate = mp4-12c

If you are gunna run a gt3 series, id not bother using the last 2

Yes seems strange that already two of the gt3 class are considered outdated in the MP4 and SLS but that's racing for you.
More than enough other great cars to choose from  :) I see also in alien hands at least that the Audi R8 is one of the fastest times yet hardly anyone wanted it in our Blancpain series. :-\

Porsche cup will be popular I think. 6 rounds?
Am thinking Hockenheim, Nurburgring GP-sprint, Silverstone, A1-ring, Zandvoort & Imola or Monza - how does that sound? Think those tracks suit it well and seem authentic. Is there a good Monaco for these cars? If Laguna appears I might have to shoe horn that in though would love the grp C cars on that.
I must run a grp C series - just when to do and would like the Mazda in too.  8)

the official 787b wont be coming for a while, so don't wait on it, and the mod car is too fast. (or was, i havent tested it of late)

the 3 we have now are perfectly suited against each other, the C9 is a little faster on 90/100% boost but i think the balance for that is damage to engine and quite on edge at race pace.

I'm not sure those times are truely reflecting a clear image. Not sure the MP4 and SLS are the slowest or the R8 the fastest. Our last GT3 championship also painted a different picture. At the end of the day, it's all individual. For me personally, I'm finding the R8 the slowest in my hands but I might use it as it sounds amazing. Maybe run a test race at Mugello so people can try out the various cars. I think we did this last time.

As for tracks for the Porsche Supercup, sounds perfect for me. No idea about Monaco although I think there are a few available. Monaco is one of my favourite tracks so gets a thumbs up from me :)

Just been trying some proper laps in the cup car. Tricky little bugger, AI is putting me to shame  :-[ (they must have tweaked ai since before Xmas as this time they fought back, chased me hard and made passes even after I had overtaken one or two  :) )
The car looks and sounds great on track especially in a pack.  8) Tried Nurburg Gt-sprint and Zandvoort so far. I need more practise!  :-[

Re the gt3 cars, it's more about finding a car that suits the way you drive or set a car up I think. I love the Huracan but I'm not as quick in it as say a z4. I'll prob take the porker next gt3 series out of brand loyalty  ;) but it may cost me 10ths against another car  :-\

I'll do a poll before going ahead with anything as I don't want to start the new year with a low turnout as the silent majority here never shouts up until I pick something they don't like  :surrender:

I voted for GT3 and the Porsche Cup car in the other Thread, but I just remembered that both the Audi R8 LMS and the BMW M6 GT3 were announced for early 2017, so it might be a good idea to wait with our next GT3 series until both are released and instead starting a little Porsche Cup Series.

The six circuits you posted above Mark are looking very suitable for the car :thumbup1:

Porsche cup, then a GT3 series gets my vote :)

I have held off buying any of the Porsche DLC's as I have been busy with real life and not really interested in historic/road cars. Which DLC's will I need to participate in the above two series (I presume I will need to buy the GT3 porka even if I race something else)?

Porsche Pack 3 includes the GT3 car aswell as the Cup car ;)

All this talk of GT3's made me do some testing aswell. I also was kinda curious to see how they would all drive with the newest tire models.
So far I have only tested 5, but they all feel so much better then before imo. Alot more fun to drive  ;D

I also wanted to see how well they were balanced and compare my results with Redmans. His results were, in order;
R8 GT3
Ferrari GT3
Z4 GT3
Lambo GT3
Nissan GT3
Porsche GT3
650 GT3
AMG GT3

I did my testing on Mugello, mediums and 30 L of fuel. I did however do some minor setup tweaking, though the defaults seem pretty well opted towards Mugello.

650   ;  1:48.568    
R8    ;  1:48.688
488   ;  1:48.701
AMG  ;  1:48.876
GTR  ;  1:48.975
911   ;  1:49.010
Z4    ;  1:49.010
Hur   ;  1:49.025

The 650 still seems to be the quickest with the 488 quite close behind. The R8 doesn't score well here, even though the car is incredibly stable. Z4 and 911 are on par ( exactly  ;D ), though the 911 is abit more tricky to drive, though some more tweaking the setup could probably help alot.

EDIT) I've added the other 3 and retried the R8 since it seemed abit left behind.  ;D
So all cars are withing half of a second, with the R8, 488 and the 650s being the nimble yet slower cars that favor this track. Seems like this time around they really managed to balance all of them. Completely different list then Redmans, could be the track but could also be that the default setups suck on some cars  ;D

Further to the suggestion made after the last trackday race I've spent some time at Sugo in the Japanese stuff - I also tried the Quattro and E30 M3 for good luck....

Sugo is typically Japanese - Very technically demanding with some elevation changes thrown in at interesting points and some awkward bumps on the last turn where the chicane is bypassed.
Only bad side is it's quite old now in the looks department and you'll want to download an additional cameras file from RaceDepartment as the standard cameras are pretty useless.

All cars were using the default setup with 30l of fuel, only alterations were to turn off traction control as it's rubbish  ;D
Expect all cars to knock considerable time off with a decent setup (The quattro can knock a second off in the first sector alone just through locking the center diff and getting the tire pressures right)

Mazda MX5 ND     :  1:53.681
BMW M3 E30        :  1:51.672
Toyota GT86        :  1:51.578
BMW M3 Step 1    :  1:51.268
Audi UR Quattro    : 1:51.104
Tuned AE86         :  1:49.147
Audi Quattro St1   :  1:48.019
MkIV Supra           :  1:47.752
R34 GTR               :  1:47.567
Nissan 370Z          :  1:47.070
Nissan 180SX stg2 :  1:46.750
FD RX7 Spirit R      :  1:46.490
FD RX7 Tuned       :  1:42.796
Time attack Supra :  1:40.937

As you can see there are definitely some good groupings there - it will just come down to whether they all improve by the same amount  :)
I was going to do the 180SX variants as well as it's practically to Kunos standards but I can find a recent enough version to have working sound since whichever update changed the FMOD setup.. Shame :(

Realistically I'd expect the 1:47 cars (Plus the Spirit R RX7 and Step 1 Audi if correctly setup) to provide the biggest pool of "equal" cars to choose from  :angel:

Nice testing guys  ;D

FMG, I really like this group of cars,

MkIV Supra           :  1:47.752
R34 GTR               :  1:47.567
Nissan 370Z          :  1:47.070
FD RX7 Spirit R      :  1:46.490

Would make for a great track day race. You can also get a couple of nice Civic Type R EK9 and Integra Type R DC2 which would be very cool. Not tried them for a while so they may not work with latest AC build.

The EK9 has no external sounds (mine doesn't but I haven't looked for an update yet).
It also seems to handle funny in my opinion - should be like a grippier version of my old 172 Cup but just seems to have either way too much or too little grip depending on throttle position.
Haven't tried the DC2 yet and should really try the NSX that was released a while back as it's great on the tracks where I have driven it.

I've just thought of another Honda that I did try and was superb and that was the Civic EJ Race Car mod. That was awesome but again, not tried it for a while so might not work.

I've now discovered a load of my old cars are broken, including the NSX which is a real shame  :(

On the plus side I've worked out how to edit sound files and now have a 180SX with sound again  ;D
Timing wise it sits between the RX7 and 370Z when using the Step 2 version (no semi's for the standard car)
As I've had to rob the files from another 180SX mod I'd need to get permissions before I can upload this (Thought I'd got it to run with the Guilia sounds but that failed :( )
At least I can "fix" a load of stuff for personal use now..

Edit 2:

After a lot of copy and pasting I've managed to use the Alfa sounds for the standard 180. When I regain the will to live I'll use the Audi S1 sounds in the Step 2 version as it has slightly more meat to it without actually sounding very nice (Believe me - Nissan SR's do not sound nice!  :D )

I think its now a bit short notice to start a new series on Wednesday. How about we run a 962 race at Spa as a filler then start the new season (prob Porsche Cup) the week after?

Good for me Mark.

Fine with me, but can we have a decent length with fuel usage turned up so we have to pit..

I mean you could even make it 4x so we have to pit twice! Lol

or you could just make it a mandantory pitstop and set the start fuel serverwise so everybody starts with the same fuel :P

Like this idea.

I assume the 1.5 fuel can only be set by the server administrator as I couldn't see it when I tried to test it in an offline race earlier.  :-\
Don't see the point in forcing all to start with the same fuel, what would be the point of having a fuel stop? Everyone would be on the same strategy.

I saw it the other way round. Could I make my fuel last longer than everyone else and look after tyres and if not, do I change strategy and pit early to try and get an undercut :)

Soooo, what we racing next week then?  :whistling:

I don't care I'm not able to make next Wednesday's race. You'll be getting a 2 hour practice session!

A Lotus 98T race @ Donington Park?

or

Audi Quattro @ Holjes RallyX ?  (come on, we already raced trucks here at SROUK. You know you want this)

I would be up for some historic single seater action at Donington  8)

Not even fired up the Quattro in AC yet  :'(

The Quattro is epic fun  ;)
I need to look up the rally-X track. Didn't know of any besides gentleman's rallycross, which is a little bland although fun

Old single seaters sounds good to me  ;)

Nobody? Okay, then I will just say it. Next Wednesday Lotus 98T at Donnington  ;)

Race length, time of day and weather?

You sure we want to race the 98T around Doni? It's insanely fast!  :o I just had a go. Whilst I could steadily improve pace lap by lap, to actually race it in a grid of close cars would be something else  :helpsmilie:
Hardest bit is downshifting through the gears in time for each corner, no fancy slick sequential gear shifts here, it's all good old fashioned dog leg box shifts  :P

 ;D Bring it on.

25 Laps, 14:00 and sunny ;). Does that sounds good?


The less electronics the better  ;D

There is a practice server up

Thanks Pete, can't check right now, but is it the GP layout?

Very true - although I'd been hoping for something with even less..  ;)
Lotus 25 or 49 for example as we seem to ignore their existence  :(
Or the Easter Trophy cars - there are 3 chassis available now I think with something like 6 or 7 variants, they should be great close fun as power/grip are a very good combo  8)

Yes Jeff it is

Give a combo for next week :). I was thinking of trying that Praga car or soemthing.

Just tried the 49 and 25, very different to the 98T beast! The 25's a little too slow for my tastes, like a skip barber/formula ford car. The 49 is a hoot with its movement and power slides and would make for a good race, real shame there isn't a great Goodwood track for AC yet. The attention to detail is great with the period Dunlop tyres and looks fab with my triple screens from the cockpit in all 3 cars.  8)

Tried the Audi Quattro too...disappointing, just feels dog slow and understeery, yet this car was an absolute beast back in the grp B days when I was a rally nut following them about. ??? Probably just shows how much motorsport has moved on since then.

Not got the Pragas, says they are a triple back I need to purchase? Never heard of them so doubt I will.

ps I set up a race thread for the 98's at Doni  :angel:

You shouldn't drive the quattro on a race track mj. Rally or hillclimb is were it is best. I had a blaat on the latest Transfragasan track. A must try really.

So what's on for next week then? I'm on a break  ;). I'd say a good set of trackday cars or race-able single spec car ...over to you Linus  :)

I vote Praga, but trackday cars are always good...normally  ::)

I'll do some testing of some cars to be used for a track day event. I have a few in mind but I need to do some testing to see what's competitive together.

I like the idea of the Praga also as its not something we have done yet. I'll test this as well at some circuits. Maybe Brands GP for the Praga and something tight like Magione for the track day cars.

Only if the Praga is a good car to race. No point keep running races where half the field can't drive it competitively or scared off it. Plus it's a pay car so not everyone has it (like me!)

About half way through this lot you have all my results at Sugo using the Jap cars. (Page 14 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14069.195))
Think one selection gave about 6 or 7 cars all within a second or so  :)

Praga is a great car to race Mark, it's fast enough to keep you awake while still being very throwable - much better than say... the Lotus 98T  :P

I would love to do Jap cars, gives me an excuse to use the 370Z maybe :) Do you have the link for the Sugo track?

Yes, the Praga is very easy and rewarding to drive. Its fairly fast but not stupid or difficult. The first time I drove it was at Brands GP and before I knew it, I had done a 40 min stint. Its a great car.

Hmm I haven't got the jap pack either! You managed to pick the only two AC items I never bothered to buy  :P

Why have I never heard of a Praga ?..and I am a car/motorsports nut  ??? Doesn't race anywhere that I've seen  :-\

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/sportsland-sugo.9683/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/sportsland-sugo.9683/)

The 2 standard sets of cameras are fairly rubbish but I found some more:
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/sportsland-sugo%E3%80%80cameras.9867/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/sportsland-sugo%E3%80%80cameras.9867/)


Tiny Czech manufacturer, Like BAC I guess, just with more aero...

The Praga definitely deserves some much needed love  8)

AC update coming today...

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/the-official-news-from-the-social-networks-thread.35257/page-543#post-855438

Typical - race day as well.

Mind you some tasty stuff in there! Reverse grids anyone?

I was going to suggest that for next weeks track day race. Will post details after I have done more testing tonight.

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-v1-13-update-available.43929/

You finished updating yet Pete...  ;D

I've updated the server but it was only a 158MB update which doesn't seem big enough. Was there no new car/track content? I was expecting the Mazda's etc.

Ooh RSR and 787  8)

I've bearly managed to drive the 787. Sitting in the pits and listening to it is too enjoyable  ;D

Mk1 MX5 could be a hoot as a one make race somewhere twisty, not sure there's much else slow enough to race with it...

Done some testing and come up with the following fun races.

Event 1: Tight twisty circuit with a long back straight so a bit David vs Goliath at times.

Track:
Magione

Cars:
Cayman S
BMW M4
Exige 240R
Boxster S
Boxster S PDK
Lotus Evora S

Rules:
40 minute race

Event 2: Spec race on familiar circuit

Track:
Brands Hatch GP

Cars:
Praga

Rules:
2 x 20 minute race with race 2 being reverse grid

Event 3: TBC

Wonder how the 962 v c9 x 787 stack up BoP wise  :-\. Maybe add a bit of performance ballast to even them up and we have a potential group C series  8)

962SH and the C9 are pretty similar - 962LH is quicker at loony fast tracks but slower/much harder at shorter twisty ones.
Currently my Spa laptimes are well under the 962's and C9 but I haven't really made any start on the setup yet and the AI Mazda's are actually far faster than AI pork and mercs....

Aris has an explenation about the 787 on the official website. This is a part of it:


The history of this car and its performance is not so easy to judge out of simple laptimes on websites.
First of all, at the Suzuka the C9 was running the sprint version and the 962 is the short tail and MUCH more evolved than the one we have now in AC (ST is 1986). The C9 sprint has almost double the downforce of the C9 LeMans version of AC. The 962 ST of 1990 has more downforce and less drag and much better tyres than AC 1986 version.
On top of that, Mazda's team principal of the era was notoriously famous of ordering the cars to never push in qualify and during the race. For them, the most important thing was to finish the race, then look at the position.

It makes sense as the car didn't had a turbocharged engine and so couldn't raise the boost to get extra power, and didn't had the big engine of the Jaguars with plenty of torque from low revs. On top of that, it had even less total downforce because it was shorter and thus had a smaller diffuser area in total, in comparison to the other cars. Japan engineers thought the increased agility from the lower CoG and lighter mechanical parts, would give better tyre wear which linked to the lower fuel consumption could make them more competitive.

The only time Mazda's team principal ordered a full attack was for just one car at the LeMans race of 1991.
They knew it was probably the last time they could compete officially before either Mazda management would kill the project, or LeMans authorities would withdrew the rules handicap in favour of the wankel engine, so they went all in. Amazingly enough, even though the car couldn't exactly match the pace of the Mercedes, they could stay ahead of the Jaguars and the rest of the pack, by matching the performance and/or running less pit stops than their adversaries. When the Mercedes started failing, the Mazda reliability gave them the once in a life time opportunity and they got it.

So all in all, the 1991 787B Mazda against the LeMans Mercedes and Jaguars had:
- a top speed deficit,
- a power deficit (especially in torque and delivery)
- a slight downforce advantage (they run the same floor and slight modifications on the wings, so it wasn't that much different than the sprint version)
- a good fuel consumption and tyre wear advantage.

On the other hand against the sprint versions of the opponents, they were hopeless!
So it makes sense that the 1991 Mazda 787B, is tiny bit faster at Monza, than a Mercedes C9 LM version of 1989 driven at race boost, and the 1986 version of 962ST.
It would be slower (2-3 secs at LeMans qualify lap) from a 1991 Mercedes C9LM or C11 from 1991 and slightly slower (1sec) from a 1991 962 which by the time was running heavily modified short tails even at leman (client cars)
It will be hopeless against a 1991 C9 sprint version or even worse a C11 sprint version and a 962 ST of 1991, simply eaten alive.

AC updated again...

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-v1-13-update-available.43929/#post-856671

Still got work to do as I'm not happy with it in medium speed corners, but down to a high 2:15 now on mediums at Spa (For reference the Long tail and C9 are mid 2:14's for me - C9 was an older build of AC though and felt quicker last time I drive it - probably comparable to the short tail (2:13's) now in race pace).
I'm already good for at least another .5 off that 2:15 time at present due to mistakes. Add a better setup into the mix and it'll be up there with the other cars in lap pace  ;D

Will repeat the experiment at Brands or somewhere similarly twisty to see what we get.

http://www.f1simgames.com/assetto-corsa-1998-championship-track-pack/
Seems like a good collection of older tracks which might suit the group C cars abit better. Haven't tested them myself though  ;D

(Tracks are from 1988 even though the link adress says 1998  ::) )

Nice find Maikel, be interesting to see what quality they are but yes would suit a group c series nicely  :)

Group C without the Nordschlief would be like apple pie without custard...

Just saying like  ;)

I agree though there are a few lightweights on here that don't like the challenge  ;) double points round might encourage them  :)

Tried the Mazda aswell. Managed a 2:12 on Spa with alot of under- and oversteering, quite a fun thing to throw around  ;D
Went with the C9 after that and just managed to sneak in a 2:12 aswell on only 70% boost, but that thing feels almost undriveable. Should be a second or more in it.
Don't know if the 962 feels different then before, haven't tried them yet. But did a 2:11 with both of them before, though should be more in the short tail.

So timing wise it seems quite close, though the 787 really misses that Turbo on the straights. Should make for some fun racing though.

So what's the decision for the next race this coming Wednesday? Spill the beans and I'll set the server up.

I thought Linus was stepping up to sort this one  :-\. I'm on a break  ;) I can make it to a race this week but then not about until mid-late April, so it's over to you guys until I return.

As for next series, I'd say it's either a new Gt3 championship or Group C.  :)

I can't race next Wednesday, but I suggest trying a track from Maikel's link, that way we can kinda test it and see if it can be used for official historic racing in the future.

As a wildcard then - 908 Vs GT40 at one of the linked tracks?
That way we aren't using the Grp C's yet and can have a one-off funrace with older cars at a historic circuit.
Failing that run with either Linus' idea or my Sugo one I'd have thought?

I'll download the track pack and have a play...

Haven't tested the tracks myself but I found them because there is some big championship with sponsors and prizes going on from eurogamer.it with the Lotus 98T and they're using these tracks.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-04-eurogamer-assetto-corsa-championship-explained

Just on my way to test one track and see how quick my times are compared to those drivers  ;D

Yeah, I suggested the following but no response so took it as no one interested,

Track:
Magione

Cars:
Cayman S
BMW M4
Exige 240R
Boxster S
Boxster S PDK
Lotus Evora S

Rules:
40 minute race

Then the following week, a Praga spec race at Brands with 2 x 20 min races with the second race being a reverse grid.

Sounds good to me

Practice server up

Thanks Picnic.

What do we do about a race day thread. Do I just create one is is this something the admin need to do?

Tried to set one up for you but Magione does not exist in the track list  :-\

Thanks Mark. Thats very weird as its the track that came with the first release :)

Just tried some of these tracks and they are amazing. Paul Ricard and Adelaide are out of this world. Imola, Montreal and Monza are very good as well. The only iffy one was Silverstone as it just seemed a bit messy. Will test the rest later. If we run the Grp C cars then these tracks are a must. Totally amazing.

As for the Grp C cars, the Mazda and Sauber seem similar but the two Porsche's (long tail and short tail) were much slower I found.

You could set it to "unkown" temporarily, and ask Dave to add it?

We have obviously never raced it here.  :-\ I have added the event as an unknown race track and maybe Pete or Dave can get the track added to the server list. Needs a lap count too for a 40min race.

Good news on the 80's tracks then, will try and check them out tonight along with the grp C cars if I get any spare time.

Pete, can you make next week's race on Adelaide from that pack with all 4 group C cars with racelength of 30 minutes, or whatever MJ is gonna pick for the championship?

got to be 40mins minimum with these cars i'd say. You want a bit of tyre wear and weariness to creep in towards race end for mistakes  >:D
Though perhaps 30mins is enough for a test race...don't want you guys getting too familiar before me  ;)

Practice server is up

Do we need 2x fuel and tire wear then?

Can't get the track pack to download. getting network errors.

imo leave it as it is, if you want a mandatory pitstop use the server function.

Ok.  There is no race announcement and calender yet, but i assume we are racing tomorrow then?

Did a couple of laps in both Porsche and 787b. And altough the Mazda is quite understeery i think i will try to race it.

Can somebody create a race thread?  ::)

Next week a race at a fast track, like Paul ricard 88? Same settings as yesterday.

I will keep the Mazda to compare it on a fast track.

I think there was a bug at adelaide. 2 people started on the same grid spot and when I went into the pits during practice and hit the armco, I was glued to it and couldn't get off.

I would say yes. But it seems not everybody likes Group C's. Maybe another fun race with the mentioned Praga's first?
Then everybody has also enought time to get used to the cars and track.

Guess I'll have to keep to the Mercedes for comparisons  8)

Pete doesn't wear prada so not sure if we want to pay for something for a one off race.

The Prada problem is not insurmountable, I could buy it or someone who has it could run the server admin utility, do the update server contents and then email me the files in the cars/prada folder.

However having seen the comments on levels of practice required to drive the Group C cars it's probably better to run them a 2nd time quickly so people are still in tune with them.

That's what I was thinking as well. Also, if these cars are really found unsuitable, atleast we'll have some time to find alternatives or balance them properly.

Fast track suits me - get to actually let the long tail stretch it's legs  ;D

Next week Paul Richard 88, same settings as this week please Pete ;).

Practice server running, sorry for the delay I've been a Wellesbourne looking at the Vulcan bomber today. Tour included a chance to sit in the cockpit - happy days. Can thoroughly recommend the Touchdown Cafe there as well :)

No worries, you can;t join the server tho, after loading all the cars you get sent back to the main menu. I think it's because of the limited pitboxes. It's set tp 22 cars now which exceeds the track's limit.

From Maikel's post, Paul Ricard has a maximum of 21 spots.

Apologies, server restarted with 21 cars

Hello to the "old" faces and the new drivers :)
I'm back again to the online racing and I'd like to join the next race with you if it's possible. I was trying to understand where you're going to race the next one, and if I'm not wrong the track will be Paul Ricard 88 with group C cars, but I don't find any download link for the mod and track. Can someone of you kindly provide me these links?
Thank you in advance. See you soon :D

Welcome back sir, I've created a race topic (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14360.0) which includes the download link for the track pack where you'll find Paul Ricard 88

Thank you ;)

Next week gt3? Group c kinda looks on a downward spiral.

GT3 sounds sweet :) GT4 would be nice to try at some point also.

Was going to sat GT4 might be better as we're about to run a GT3 series anyway...

Gt3 would be for testing, like we did with group c, but gt4 is fine by me as I don't like them and can't make next week anyway.
Gt4 at Silverstone? I think we should stick to default tracks to prevent shannanigans like last week with downloads.

Fun races are the times to test 3rd party tracks. I posted the link to the files I used for installation it just needs people to point out that I've got it wrong early enough that everyone gets a chance to change.

GT4 at Silverstone sounds good. So thats the Cayman, Maserati and 2-11. Have I missed anything, was there a BMW as well??

The gt4 Ginetta maybe?

Ohh, Silverstone again? There is a nice Cadwell park v1.2 out too guys.

Only problem I had with download last week was with Mega, it does not allow downloads within IE11, only Chrome etc. Nobody's fault.

Oooh yes Ginetta, good call. Happy to try Cadwell if others want to???

Pete, next Wednesday, Maserati Gran Turismo GT4 and Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport at Cadwell Park (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/cadwell-park.11507/) for 30 minutes.

Sorry of that combo isn't what everybody wants, I just want to get a race thread in time and not last minute on Tuesday  :P

EDIT: There are a few GT4's, but they are very different times wise. Here are the Silverstone laptimes:

Lotus 2-11: 2:18
Maserati Gran Turismo: 2:12
Porsche Cayman GT4: 2:21
Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport: 2:12


So looks like Maserati and the Clubsport are matched and the other 2 are too slow. Hence I see no reason to add them to the mix. Shame I will miss this event, as Cadwell is great fun  ;D

Isn't the Maserati the only official GT4 car ( besides the Ginetta mod ) .

The Porsche GT4 was the sorta "amateur-can-pay-to-drive" kinda car which they named a GT4 ( lots of GT3/GT4 naming which aren't actual race cars )

I remeber that the Maserati doesn't has any aids while the Porsche does.

Which layout Jeff? Full Circuit, Woodlands Circuit, MotoGP Circuit? I assume not the MotoGP but do you want to longer or shorter of the other two?

 ??? So they aren't a match? Can't we just pick GT3  ;). Let's pick the clubsport and Maserati first and see how they cope on the server.


Full layout. I can't tell the difference between full and MotoGP from the picture, but I think full is the normal one.

Done - Race Announcement (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14368#event5454)

Prada, Silverstone, 30 minutes?  :P

Ha ha - if people want it I can make it so. Which circuit, full GP or one of the shorter ones?

National to keep it super tight :)

Full please, these are proper race cars that don't really fit the shorter ones.

But even if we only have 10 drivers turn up, the grid will be too spread out.

I never understood this argument. Time difference is just as much distance between drivers on a long, as on a short track.

The fast guys just get to lap the slow guysme sooner

Just took advantage of the steam sale to update my AC content. Very impressed with the Praga so might be up for this one too.

Pick something for next week people, before I pick something Friday :D. I want things decided before the weekend, so people have time to practice and have things downloaded and sorted in time.

I'm gonna miss next week unfortanely  :'(

As Maikel is away then lets do a track day fun race as they are always fun.

Imola

Mazda RX7 Tuned
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3
Porsche Cayman GT4
BMW M235i Racing
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Lotus Exige S

After that, lets start the next championship.

Agree with that  :stupid:
 ;D

Sounds good to me. I'll try to put some laps in to see where they stand, although I struggle at imola,  so it won't be be easy to get the maximum out of the cars.

I tested these a few months back along with all the other cars and we ran the faster pack. This is the next group down and lap times across the board for all the cars is 2.02 - 2.03. Obviously the aliens will faster but the cars are all pretty consistent in times.

Okay, all good.
These are roughly the times on RSR
Mazda RX7 Tuned 1:59 - 2:00
Lotus Exige 240R Stage 3 2:01
Porsche Cayman GT4 1:59.7
BMW M235i Racing 1:57.5
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1:58.0
Lotus Exige S 2:01.5

These aren't the fastest laps on RSR, but I've taken away the fastest lap if it was by a big margin and picked an average lap for the first stable fast laps.
The Carrera and the BMW seem clearly the fasest with both lotus cars dragging behind.
I'm fine with picking these cars, just hope people will pick sensibly  :)

As we have quite a car choice, we can drop the BMW. You'll find also that the fast cars will have the advantage on the long straight but the Lotus cars will catch up in the corners. This is what happened last time with the faster group. The 2-11 was left behind on the straights but was killing the 911 GT3, Nissan GTR, Audi R8 etc in the corners. A real cat and mouse affair :)

 :'( I've spent half the afternoon practicing with the Beemer! The only other front engine is the Mazda, and that is just plain
horrible with the default setup  :thumbdown:

That thing has setups on the setup market. Just make sure you pick the semislicks.

We can keep the BMW, and hope people don't go lame mode and pick it when they are way faster with it.

Ok cool and I don't think people will be faster  ;D I'll be in a Lotus and Mark will be in a Porsche :)

You picked the car, I ain't responsible, this is your event  :angel: ;D

The beemer was not bad on the default setups, I just changed dampers a bit to reduce the power slides.
The Mazda on default setup was undrivable ror me.

If it causes probs with alien car choices, I can probably crawl round in a Porka If required.

Check tyres on the Mazda on default setup, maybe it's on 90's streettyres instead of semislicks. Mazda is loads of fun  ;D

Mazda was epic last time out - shame the tires didn't survive the race but so what.
I'll probably take that again  ;D