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Track: Long Beach '79 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_longbeach79)

Cars allowed: Shelby Mustang Boss 302 Download this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtl/cars/SRou_GTL_69Boss302Mustang_1.1.0.0.exe)

Practice: ~19:20 BST(60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 BST (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 BST (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

This event has been bought forward by one week

What a terrible track. Should be dug up. Might suit Go Karts. Did they really drive these things around here?

Might give this one a miss.

TTFN
John.

Probably never.............but the F1 boys gave it a good thrashing back in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJpWpmtRF5I

Racing didn't start at Long Beach until 1975, a F5000 race, so these Mustangs never raced there. The TransAm series visited much later in the late 80s.

That's a great view of the track. The location of the pits threw me initialy

Unless my memory fails me we've race here before, I remember all those horrible 1st gear corners!  ::) :oops: :rockon:

Your not wrong Bill, three times with GTL and two times with P&G

We raced it several times on GC in the muscle car series.  It's one of those tracks were you have to slow down a little to go fast and or to finish.  If you think the Boss is bad try the Charger or RR or Chevelle.
Advertisement:  Hey Roscoe (Steve) come join us you always did well here!!!

Bob M.

I am hoping to be there for this one  8)

You appear to have had some previous experience with the Boss at this track Matt https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10167#event2851

 I will do my best.  Got PC problems at the moment. I did a few laps here, last week and only managed 142s in the Boss, so dont think, I will do well anymore ;D maybe I can sneak on the track in my trusty 67 Chevelle and hope no one notices lol

Against all sorts of faster cars  ::) cod knows why I chose the BOSS

You probably had a cunning plan  :shifty:

I have one, Tony!  Drive round very carefully in 2nd gear, giving hand signals where necessary, stopping for tea half way, hoping all the hotshots out-drive themselves and try to demolish the concrete walls, and then finish on the podium, only having completed half the total number of laps. So, not much different from my usual one then! :) Bound to work one day!

Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?  :wacko:

Please note that all race times, until further notice, are set to British Summer Time (BST).

Very challenging track for this series for sure.  Maybe an Alfa GTA would be great around here, but The Boss just feels like you're wearing a straitjacket.

Apart from the numerous opportunities for small disasters, there appears to be one major one:  The pit exit is directly into the fastest line through the start/finish curve, which is one of the fastest places on track.  Have only been alone on the track, but it looks like cars about to exit will be completely hidden by the wall - maybe those of you who have raced here can confirm or deny this ?

Anyone exiting the pits during the race; please keep a wary eye on the flashing blue lights  :o

Cheers,
Erling

Helps a bit if you have the Driver Labels on, Erling, but still a bit hairy.

Drivers should use a "Pit out" message when in sight of race track

Thanks Huggy; was planning on using them, at least when passing the pits, but on tight tracks like this, there's often a lot of 'overlap', from drivers in different parts of the track, so they can be misleading at times.

Cheers,
Erling

I usually use the 'look behind' feature together with driver labels when exiting the pits.

Did a shakedown lap or two last night after the GPL race just to be sure that I had correct track etc, and I also noticed the kamikazi pit exit and wondered......

uuuuummmm?
 ???

I know about driver labels ( tab key) ;), but where do I find the "pit out" message and how do I activate it. Although TBH I think that message might be a bit too late, once you have committed that Mustang to take the corner flat out. Certainly with my setups, lifting off the gas mid corner will cause some interesting developments and a large scattering of body parts quite close to a large dent in the outer wall!!!

Also puzzled by the "look behind" reference? isn't that what mirrors are for?  ::)

Think you're right about changing direction - will be hard once on the line and flat out.

IIRC, the pit in/out messages are predefined in the multiplayer setup options - you can assign them to a key of your choosing, including those on your wheel, if you have any to spare.  'Look behind' instead of mirrors, are to see the driver tags, signaling an approaching car.  They're not shown in the mirrors.

Cheers,
Erling

Following on from Erling's post; the look behind view is also key operated. Unfortunately I do not know what the default key for this is as it's a feature I never use.

Isn't there a line on the track after the pit exit? If there is then drivers on a lap should perhaps not encroach beyond this line. Likewise drivers exiting the pits should stay to the right of this line until it is safe to join the track proper.

"Look Behind" might be the "B" key (default setting)

That sounds eminently sensible Tony. Except that when you are up to your a** wrestling with a wild mustang, it is sometimes difficult to resist encroaching just ever so slightly on to that nice inner lane  ::)

Thanks for the heads up about various keys etc, will have to investigate that pre race this evening. ;)

Had to avoid a slowing car then missed my braking zone. Saw I was going to wipe out the first 4 or 5 front runners so hit the ESC button as quick as I could. Hope it was quick enough guys.

 :hammer: game crashes at the beginning of lap 23 chasing John.   ??? :death: :censored::taz: Great but unexpected fun. Mission "passing impossible"  ;D

so only one more last place  :-[ :( ???

cu next week

Results and replay now posted

Wow, you almost wiped out Erling.

Ack, not my finest hour today..   Normally go out of my way not to hit the car in front, but still managed to tap Ziu twice, and Clive probably once  ::)

Kept my 4th place after the start and over the early laps.  Kept pace with the lead group without really being part of it. Soon after the start, Ziu started putting out a massive smokescreen. Gave me huge problems, as I couldn't see my brake points in several places, and thus braked way too early, for fear of overshooting.  Puzzled as to how he damaged his engine, as you can't turn up the rev limit to the best of my knowledge.  Surprised it lasted to the end, given the amounts of smoke.

Clive & Ziu had a coming together at the 1st hairpin, and both Geoffers & I slipped past. Given free reigns, Geoffers was soon gone.  Some laps later, I let Ziu through, when I ran too wide in the final hairpin, and 1½ lap later, I left the door open enough for Clive to slip past. Thus back to 4th and in the damn smokescreen again.

Few laps later, I think I touched Clive ever so gently. May have contributed to him grazing the wall and ultimately spin.  In my assessment at the time, I didn't feel directly responsible, as I concluded he should have recovered from our possible contact when he finally spun.  Probably wrong, as he might not have spun had I not touched his car, so I should have waited.  Apologies for that Clive.

Chased Ziu, catching him in the same place as Clive.  Smokescreen + braking later + tyre wear all conspired to send me on a collision course with his car. Aimed for the inside to avoid him, but when he turned in, I hit him anyway.  No doubt this time, so waited for his recovery, only to hit him again a few laps later, at the final hairpin.  Very sorry about all this Ziu.  2nd time both Clive & Matt slipped past too, dropping me to 5th.

Few laps later, Matt, Clive & Ziu had a threesome in the same place, and I got past the entire bunch before they could recover completely.  Ziu regained 2nd a few laps later, in the now infamous same hairpin.  Had to be extra cautious not to hit him a 3rd time, so didn't get any chances to attempt a pass before the flag.

Grats to Geoffers for the win and some otherworldly laptimes.  Grats to Ziu for 2nd, and apologies again for the taps - and to Clive too of course.

Cheers,
Erling

Was a fun race, this place is always a hint of masochism, specially with these monsters.

The 3some was a result of an incident which left me facing the wall, so had to let
everyone through when you came up to us.
Probably would not have held off Erling Clive, and Ziu, so didn't make much difference to the result.
and was waited for at a safe place, so no harm done.

I seemed to have more front wear than rear, and Clive had mentioned he was getting a lot of rear wear
which I think was the only reason I was able to keep in range.

Well,I have to be pleased with that result. Qualified down in 11th which was about what I expected and fully expecting to be lapped reasonably quickly but as it was I managed to stay on the lead lap until the flag although Geoffers ever increasing lead implied another lap or two would have found me in his way.

Finally the start fairy was back sitting in the co-pilots seat and I got a great launch, up to 8th by the 1st turn and then 7th due to Steve's disappearing act by T2. Quickly lost touch with the front 6 and found myself on my own when Roscoe spun exiting the final hairpin and then Tony ran on a lap or so later..

Soon though Eifelblitz was on my case and uncomfortably large in my mirrors. I have to learn how to chuck these beasts through the corners, I always managed a great exit onto what ever straight was available but he was over me like a rash at the 1st hint of anything requiring hard braking followed by a left or right turn. I felt a bit guilty for a while as I was obviously holding him up (But not guilty enough to let him through).  ;D Not sure if I would have held on for the full 24 laps and was really sorry to see him suddenly disappear from my mirrors when he discoed on lap 23. :( Confusion reigned for a few seconds as I searched for him in my mirrors, sure he must be alongside, so much so when I finally looked back in the direction I was going WALL!!!!!!! Panic, brakes. Somehow got it stopped by which time I realised he had gone. now all I had to worry about was that flashing fuel light, finally crossed the line on fumes, never more happy to see the flag.

I still don't like this track, although I don't really like street circuits at all apart from Birmingham (The 1 in the UK), no million dollar yachts just affordable housing and a mosque but it's a great circuit i'd like to see in a series 1 day. (Hint). :)

TTFN
John.
 

Threw the towel in,  :surrender: in all my practice I just couldn't get in a decent flying lap. Last night in 20 minutes I couldn't even complete a lap let alone a flying lap!  ::)

I sent you a setup Bill when you said you were struggling, but you had left by the time I came back to chat  :(

Steve, it was me, who slowed early. For T1. Everytime ive raced here, theres been wrecks at T1,on the opening lap, with cars braking too late or facing the wrong way. So I was cautious, going in. Im really sorry. I meant to start from the back, but lost track of time. I tried to move off the racing line to let cars behind, pass.
   Apart from ruining Steves race at the first turn, it was quite an enjoyable race. I had a couple of spins caused by me accidentally shifting from 4th to 2nd, the 2nd time picking up slight suspension damage and allowing Tony and Huggy to pass, only for them to make mistakes and let me pass again.
  I noticed you guys were using 1st gear for the corners. I used 2nd apart from the hairpins, I had no tyre wear at all and could of done 2-3 races on the same tyres. Iwas struggling, with not being able to use the clutch properly, through the turns. I probably could of saved the spins, with the clutch too.
   It seemed like we only ran 1/2 the race and I noticed Geoffers, was coming up to lap me. I kept seeing his tabbed name coming out of the hairpins and I was hoping, he would catch me on the straight. Its difficult, to move out the way, through the twisty bits and thats were he caught me. I tried going off the track and brushed up against the wall, hope I didnt frighten you too much   ;D  I thought the rest of the pack would be close behind, but he had one massive lead. So, I could relax, for the remaining laps.
   Congrats, to Geoffers  and all for taking part. Thanks guys.

    Roscoe/Steve.

Not a great night for me; too many unforced errors early on in the race left me at the back for most of the race. Still had some good racing with Huggy and Roscoe but lost Huggy after he span somewhere behind me and Roscoe was too strong for me to catch after he passed me.

Next one is at Thermalito so start composing your hate mail now  :whistling:

Definitely a race of "what might have been" for me.

Grats to Geoffers who took full advantage of the 4 cars behind arguing over the other podium places to scuttle off into the distance. I suspect that some clear air and being able to drive smoothly and carefully contributed to his extending lead, just as I found in my short practice session earlier on Monday. The slower I go, the faster the laptimes!!

Passing was always a case of the car in front making an error to generate the opportunity a little like Monaco. But with these beasts there was always likely to be a few errors and sure enough I got chances to creep back up to 2nd after losing ground at the start. I was hoping to hunt down Geoffers if I could but I just could not escape the fierce battle.....the urge to push hard was compromising fast laptimes!!  :-\

Erlings "love nudge" was not a heavy knock, but on that particular bend I had the Mustang right on the limit of adhesion and it was enough additional momentum to make the car bounce across and clip the outer barrier. That totally upset the balance and the result was a spin on the down ramp. I'm not complaining Erling, it was just a Racing Incident.....but coincidentally, it occurred just before a bank of red mist descended over Long Beach  ::)

By the end of the race it was my rear tyres that had vanished and any attempt to use the horsepower resulted in the back axle finding its own scenic route around Longbeach! Matt had issues with his front tyres, whereas mine were fine (ish) and I could still brake and turn in OK. I guess that is down to setups and driving styles?

(Just a note on my impressions of Long Beach to Bill who found this track a challenge. I found that this track punished aggressive driving and I managed a sub 1:36 lap in my short practice session when actually I felt I was cruising through the twisty bits. But by allowing the tyres to offer what grip they had and very gently coaxing the beast through the corners in 2nd gear I think I was carrying more speed? Also early and smooth braking to get a controlled entry to corners, so that you can just brush against the Armco  ::), prudent use of the gas pedal to avoid wheelspin out of the hairpins all adds up to time saved)

No you were OK Steve, I was quite happy to follow you through the twisty bits & pass you on the straight.

Well that went a lot better than I expected!  8)  Don't know why I was so much faster than everyone else here, but it did seem to be one of those tracks where slow in/fast out really paid dividends.

Got a good start & was well ahead into the first haipin, I had practiced how much further I could go before braking on the first lap but still overshot the corner  ::). Fortunately only lost one place to Ziu, so followed him for a few laps looking for a place where he was slow, but the only place where I seemed appreciably quicker was the final hairpin. I got a good run out of there on one lap & got alongside on the main straight, but being on the inside I was not confident of making it through the first turn flat out so had to lift & Ziu held the lead. Next lap I gave Ziu a slight nudge at the final hairpin, luckily he held the slide & the lead but it allowed Clive to nip through into 2nd.

A couple of laps later Clive & Ziu collided at the first hairpin & I nipped past into the lead with Erling following into 2nd place. I was surprised at being able to pull away from the chasers at over a second a lap, but I guess they were busy battling amongst themselves. Rest of the race was just a case of keeping it pointed the right way, although I nearly messed it up about 3 laps from the end when I got on the power too early at the last hairpin & clouted the wall.  :oops:

Congrats to Ziu & Erling.  :clap: :clap:

Mostly uneventful race for me.  I tried to keep up early in the race with Mat , but he slowly drove away from me.  I suspect it was because I was using the longest gears trying to save tires for the end.  With the middle ratio I knew I was close to 1 second faster, but spun the tires more in first gear going down the S/F straight.  Thats were he left me in the dust. With about 4 laps left I came upon Clive who had a spinout.  Motored past him and managed to hold him off till the end. His tires were much worse than mine in the twisty's.  Glad to see Roscoe/Steve join us,  he and I had a lot off good racing over on GC, before he had health problems.  Also have to say Tony knows you guys a lot better than I do according to the remarks made about street tracks.  About the time we were working on the 50th aniversary Trans Am series I told him, How about a round the world tour of street races using the "Big Iron" Muscle cars.  He said might not be a good idea and he was right.......Grats to the podium and for keeping one V8 series this season.

Bob M.

were you on auto or manual clutch Bob?

I found manual made the twisty bits tough, so ran auto, and turned it to manual for the s/f straight, then
back to auto after I engaged 4th

Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/LongBeach 27032017)

8)

Thank you Kurt :thumbup1:

Matt:
I ran auto clutch on that track because of the constant quick down shifting  and had a problem in offline practice with rear wheelhop problems .  Never thought of switching for the drag race off the hairpin.  I know it makes a big difference in this type of cars. Thanks for the hint...

Bob M.

You are not to blame for ruining my race Roscoe Steve. I should have been able to avoid you slowing early and I should have been able to keep my eye on the middle distance for the braking zone.

I've just played back those first few seconds and it seems I aborted just in time!

Yep, I felt and heard a loud bang, but thankfully it didn't toss me too far off course, so thanks for your sacrifice  ;)

Cheers,
Erling

Always looking for tips about driving GTL style.

Can someone please expand on this?  I think ( that is I think I think  ??? ) that I am using the autoclutch for gearchanges, but I'm not entirely sure that it works as I expect it to.  :-\

Clive
It's keyboard F2, It lets you disreguard the clutch on takeoff.  Upside is it blips the throttle automatically on upshifts and down shifts.  Downside is that the shifts take a little longer and also makes the up and down shifts a little softer, kind of like a slush box.  It can cost you a little time to use it over a lap, some cars more than other's.  As I said I used it in the Boss mostly because of the downshifting after the long straight.  My reaction time and coordination isn't what it used to be.
Bob M.

Thanks for that Bob. I will have to do some experimenting with that.......watch out for cars hurtling into the scenery!!!

I am using and have always used autoclutch; partly because of spinning when trying to downshift without it, partly because it keeps the engine running if you spin off and come to a standstill, and last but not least because I hate the sound of the gearchanges without it - sounds like an automatic changing, when you skip the autoclutch (and clutch in general)

Probably stupid for hanging on to it, when it seems everyone else gains an advantage from not using it, which I then have to make up for in being quicker otherwise  ::)

Cheers,
Erling

Grats to Geoffers and Erling.

Not my best race, I did a bad setup and I found some difficult to turn on these corners because my problem. However I think that will be very hard the match with Geoffers the next races, it seems that he found the way for get good speed with Boss302. Grats again Geoffers.