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Title: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 27, 2016, 05:38:24 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=556&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Watkins Glen GP Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_watkins)

Cars allowed: Shelby Mustang Boss 302 Download this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtl/cars/SRou_GTL_69Boss302Mustang_1.1.0.0.exe)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on May 30, 2017, 11:33:13 PM +0100
I m still having problems with pain especially on this track because long corners. Car is enough balanced but I can keep pace few laps. I m thinking to skip practice and qualy and to take the start from rear grid on last position like at Sebring so I could get less effort


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2017, 07:42:45 PM +0100
Appetiser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4oo_u6iLow

My best on race fuel is a 2:05.8. I'm guessing some  :alien: will go sub 2:00?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: 55steve55 on May 31, 2017, 07:51:45 PM +0100
2:07's here but feel up to 3 could come off that.

Strangely have a similar garage setup for the 302 as I had for the GT40 which worked well for me. Here's hoping....


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: iceman_303 on June 02, 2017, 12:40:41 AM +0100
My best so far is around 2:09.
I like driving the car, it has prety good handling
for a muscle car. And it's fast too.
What kind of setups are you guys using?
If you dont mind sharing, of course.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Jeep on June 02, 2017, 12:52:17 AM +0100
I won't be able to make this one unfortunately. :(

Off for a week in a cottage up in Scotland. :) I feel a distillery visit might be in my future. :D

Have fun guys.

TTFN
John.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 02, 2017, 08:53:56 AM +0100
My best so far is around 2:09.
I like driving the car, it has prety good handling
for a muscle car. And it's fast too.
What kind of setups are you guys using?
If you dont mind sharing, of course.

I will email my setup to you tonight


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 03, 2017, 10:38:21 AM +0100
My best so far is around 2:09.
I like driving the car, it has prety good handling
for a muscle car. And it's fast too.
What kind of setups are you guys using?
If you dont mind sharing, of course.

I will email my setup to you tonight
Ygm, (sorry forgot to do it last night)  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: phspok on June 03, 2017, 11:03:44 AM +0100
2:03.3 in qual my best so far with race fuel.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: iceman_303 on June 03, 2017, 05:34:18 PM +0100
My best so far is around 2:09.
I like driving the car, it has prety good handling
for a muscle car. And it's fast too.
What kind of setups are you guys using?
If you dont mind sharing, of course.

I will email my setup to you tonight
Ygm, (sorry forgot to do it last night)  ::)

No worries.
Thanks.

JG


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: 55steve55 on June 03, 2017, 10:46:37 PM +0100
Looks like 2:05.9 is going to my best with race fuel. Tightening the front anti-roll bar and letting out some pressure in the rear tyres has helped, but I can't find anything else that will cancel out huge oversteer.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Bob M. on June 04, 2017, 01:52:24 PM +0100
Steve and anyone else:
Try this...Least amount of  springs front & rear, so the car will transfere the most weight on entry and exit.  Brake hard at first and then ease off into the corner.  On exit just the opposite ease into the loud pedal. Front sway bay at least setting and rear at most setting.  Caster at 5.5 and Diff & coast @ 20.  Shocks set @ low numbers to suit you.  This old earthling has one 203.8 (don't know how it happened) but can get 04's and low 05's most of the time if I focus.  Drive as low as possible in the corner without getting into the grass.  This is the way I have always set up muscle cars for the most models,  maybe it's just me, but give it a try...

Bob M.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: 55steve55 on June 04, 2017, 11:16:33 PM +0100
Thx for the help here, Bob. Some of those settings I already had in the garage, but the adjustments to the roll bars and castor have helped hugely. In fact, I feel very guilty by saying my best with race fuel has dropped to 2:02.9.

I hope that doesn't make me an alien :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: EvilClive on June 05, 2017, 09:19:50 AM +0100
Thx for the help here, Bob. Some of those settings I already had in the garage, but the adjustments to the roll bars and castor have helped hugely. In fact, I feel very guilty by saying my best with race fuel has dropped to 2:02.9.

I hope that doesn't make me an alien :-\

I think a blood test for alien DNA should be considered in this case Tony  ::) ::)

I have tested the server connection yesterday, but only did a few laps all on race fuel with a best in the low 2:04's. I was not entirely happy with either my driving or the handling/setup so I am hoping that tonight I can find a bit more pace. For me the challenge might be tyre wear, because I can see attacking all those long corners really eating rubber  :-\  Maybe I should wear my extra thin, light weight racing  socks for this event???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Bob M. on June 05, 2017, 01:20:43 PM +0100
Glad it helped Steve..But as they said in the old cowboy movies, I think I just shot myself in the foot in the gunfight!!!!

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on June 05, 2017, 03:48:04 PM +0100
Appetiser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4oo_u6iLow

My best on race fuel is a 2:05.8. I'm guessing some  :alien: will go sub 2:00?



You think that those aliens go sub 2:00 ? I hope no  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 05, 2017, 09:59:14 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: misnoimis on June 05, 2017, 10:20:23 PM +0100
What a mess. I was nearly into the 2m 02’s in off- line practice.

I fluffed the start, I was hoping to chase Steve but Bill and Tony passed me off the line so I decided to take it steady and got involved following Tony and Bill for few laps. I had a recovering Clive behind me and as I started losing ground battling with him decided to let him past as he was faster. I closed on Tony and Bill again only to find Clive behind me again. It got a bit rough and there was the odd bump with Tony I think and there was some close racing between us. In the meantime Bill was getting away. I was keeping myself handy for any chance to pass when Clive and Tony seemed to get a bit mixed up on the second last corner and I shunted Clive. I will have to look at the replay to see what I did. To make things worse my car was now pulling hard to the left and almost undriveable so I had a slow lap back to the pits.

Then things all went a bit downhill. It took forever to replace my suspension (virtually) and as my brain obviously wasn’t in gear and I failed to cancell any options I ended up with a full tank of petrol and a wash and valet. I hadn’t tried driving the car on full fuel, it felt very strange, like it still had handling problems and was about 3 seconds a lap slower.
 
As I had been lapped while in the pits and was considering retiring when I saw the leaders in my mirrors that made up my mind. I let them past but before I could make the pits some Armco collided with my car writing off my newly replaced suspension, some evening. ::)

Grats to winner and podiums and all.  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Erling G-P on June 05, 2017, 10:46:07 PM +0100
Uneventful, but still very intense race. 

No matter how hard I tried - and that included knocking 0.4 sec off my pb, I still couldn't get any higher than 4th on the grid.

Used to getting mugged off the line by Clive, so surprised to see him not move at all.  Thus gifted 3rd, with Matt close behind.  His pursuit was relentless over most of the race, so couldn't afford any mistakes. Took a fair few laps of very concentrated driving to stretch the gap a little.  As soon as I eased off even the slightest, to conserve tyres, it would drop, so had to hitch up the skirts and get cracking again.  Up front, the leaders quickly disappeared, as I was nowhere near their pace.

Didn't know how far back Clive had fallen, so fully expected him to come storming back at any moment. Only very late in the race, when the gap had jumped to around 20 secs, could I relax a little.

Grats to Ziu & Geoffers, and commiserations to those who met with misfortune.

Frustrating to see the Championship slip through my fingers, but obviously nothing I can do about it (perhaps a little sabotage of certain cars in the following races.. ;) )

Misnoimis: Unless you specifically added fuel, you shouldn't leave the pits with more than you entered with.  Maybe the repairs didn't fully fix the car ?

Cheers,
Erling



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on June 06, 2017, 07:55:01 AM +0100
It worked enough well all yesterday. I had two setup available one fast and the second was good for save tires but slow 1 second.
When i seen the qualy lap of Geoffers i understood that his race pace could be around at 2:01 so i decided to use slow setup, it mean that i prefered to have geoffers on my ribs than drive a car without tires after 8 laps only. But the truth was that my real pace could be sub 2:01. Practice with race fuel 2:00.0. It s truth also that here is very difficult overtake due to the inclination of some turns so i prefered see Geoffers on my mirror all 20 laps. He tried to pass me of course we had a funny battle until at 7 laps to go he got a little mistake and it open a little gap of 2,7 seconds. What that  was curious see Geoffers that sometime was fighting with the rear of his car outputing of last corner and in the last laps i noticed that he had probably problem with his tyres on the ESSES.

Grats to Geoffers and thanks for fun, Grats to Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: EvilClive on June 06, 2017, 09:20:34 AM +0100
Grats to Ziu and Geoffers for stunning pace, no matter how hard I tried ( probably trying too hard I guess!!?) I could not get within 1.5 secs of those times during qually and I doubted that the race would be any better.  :-\
The only hope I had was that my qually was on race fuel, so there might be an outside chance of being a little closer during the race.

I never got the chance to find out!  I must have been half asleep on the grid, because not only had I forgotten to check the % health of the car ( I actually discovered after the first lap that I was on 40%!!) but the "GO!!" caught me so completely by surprise that I dropped the clutch and stalled the engine  :censored:. Initially I wondered if I had actually blown the engine ??

I braced myself for rear impact as cars swept past and then it all went quiet and I tried the starter. Mightily relieved as it burst into life, but spitting nails about going from 3rd to last before I even crossed the start line. I think I would have been justified in putting my headlights on just to see through the thick red mist that swirled around my car.
I hauled in the field and set about picking off cars one by one. I had to change my gearchange points once I noticed the engine health and how my aggressive driving was eating a couple of points off it each lap. It took a few laps to settle into the new pattern and still maintain a fast pace.

Tony proved to be very reluctant to let me pass and we had a few laps of side by side action with misnomis getting involved as well. If the red mist was thick before it became positively opaque after I got past Tony and made a monumental braking mistake one lap later, just as I had got Bob in my sights and a chance of 5th place, and span the car into the kitty litter, only to watch Tony and misnomis sail past  :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

Another chase, some more dicing and made the pass again setting off after Bob who now had a 12 sec lead. Just got him in sight again and made the same mistake in the same place!!  Just got going as Tony arrived AGAIN.
The last 6 laps were tense as I hauled in Bob and finally got on his tail with about 1.5 laps to go. Like a true gentleman he made a small mistake  ;)and I was able to steal the lead up through the Esses.
No chance of gaining any more places, so concentrated on not making another mistake on badly worn tyres to get to the flag. The change in driving made a huge change to the health of my car and at the end I still had 25% of the 40% I started with, so a lesson to be remembered there.

My screw up at the start might have denied me some points, but it made for a much more eventful and interesting...honest it did  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: 55steve55 on June 06, 2017, 09:48:29 AM +0100
A very exciting race for me on a great choice of track for these 302s'.

As my quali time was near identical to my pb, I was reasonably pleased with starting on the 3rd row.

In my previous 2 races I've been drifting from the raceline by watching the cars in front of me instead of the track so last night promised myself I would not be distracted again. Yet Clive's leftfield-style getaway (attention-seeking again, Clive?  ;)) quickly took my focus away and I found myself battling to keep the car straight.

Settled in behind Tony for the first of two fantastic tussles, had a Torvil and Dean moment at some point with a 360, ran wide twice and ended the race just a couple of seconds behind Clive and Bob for 7th.

Grats to Ziu and Erling and Geoffers for a close second.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: phspok on June 06, 2017, 10:54:58 AM +0100
Good fun that  ;D
I was directly behind Clive at the start, and instinctively jinked right to avoid. I saw someone lose it behind
but I was fairly sure I had not hit anyone so kept going, was keeping Erling honest for many laps until
I outbraked myself somewhere, then did it again a couple of times to give Bob and Clive chance to catch up  ::)
Erling was long gone by then, so just kept it steady to the end.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: EvilClive on June 06, 2017, 12:00:43 PM +0100
Because I am old, and probably slightly senile, myself and a friend from GPL ( Andy Livingston ) are travelling up from the West Country to visit the Oulton Park and Croft circuits this coming weekend.

If any of you fellow sim racers are likely to be at these events and would care to meet up for a pint/coffee/chat then post here and we can arrange a rendezvous.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: phspok on June 06, 2017, 12:07:16 PM +0100
I was racing at Croft earlier in the year, and am at Barbon Manor hillclimb this Saturday.

http://www.barbonhillclimb.co.uk/

What is happening at Oulton? If I have a day pass I might get there.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: misnoimis on June 06, 2017, 12:52:03 PM +0100


Misnoimis: Unless you specifically added fuel, you shouldn't leave the pits with more than you entered with.  Maybe the repairs didn't fully fix the car ?

Cheers,
Erling



I think you are right. I started with 24 lap’s worth of fuel and after my stop saw my gauge showing nearly full so assumed I had been refilled. I just hit the return key. I should have deselected the Body repair and change tyres options. I guess having not envisaged making a stop I was not prepared. The car really felt different after the stop, the back seemed to want to overtake the front under acceleration.  Maybe it was just me. I got bored not even being able to put in fast laps by my standard and lost interest. I think my pace should have been about mid 2m 03s to high 2m 04s once I had found my rhythm.

The cause of my problem was my impact with Clive’s car. I watched the replay and see I had taken my usual line into the turn where I hit Clive. It looked like he and Tony were for some reason unusually slow on that corner and I was unable to slow down, until I used Clive’s car for help that is. Not the approved way of slowing.  Fortunately it was me who suffered from the result and Clive was able to carry on.  I was enjoying the racing up to that point. Anyway I hope to be back for more pleasure or punishment next Monday.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Erling G-P on June 06, 2017, 02:24:49 PM +0100
I think you are right. I started with 24 lap’s worth of fuel and after my stop saw my gauge showing nearly full so assumed I had been refilled. I just hit the return key. I should have deselected the Body repair and change tyres options. I guess having not envisaged making a stop I was not prepared. The car really felt different after the stop, the back seemed to want to overtake the front under acceleration.  Maybe it was just me. I got bored not even being able to put in fast laps by my standard and lost interest. I think my pace should have been about mid 2m 03s to high 2m 04s once I had found my rhythm.

It sounds suspiciously like the Boss 302 suffers from the same repair bug as the Turbo Capris.  When I tried to repair one of those, it was damn near undriveable afterwards - all rear grip had vanished, so needed extreme care not to spin under acceleration.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Geoffers on June 06, 2017, 04:27:03 PM +0100
Enjoyed that race, not had a battle like that with Ziu for some time.

Could not get near Ziu's qually time although I'm sure a high 1.59 was possible. Spun the wheels a little too much at the start & Ziu outdragged me to T1. Due to his qually pace I expected Ziu to disappear into the distance but I kept up quite easily for most of the race. There were parts of the track where Ziu was quicker & bits where I was faster & although I got alongside on a few occasions I didn't want to force a pass & risk taking us both off, so just sat behind & waited for a mistake. Eventually Ziu ran a little deep into T1 & I got a nice tight line which I'm sure would have got me in front, but I gave it a bit too much gas with too much steering lock still on & nearly span out. By the time I got it sorted Ziu was over 2s up the road & I could not close the gap over the remaining laps.

Great drive under pressure Ziu, I expect you had a bit in reserve & would have repassed me had I got ahead but it was a good race.  :thumbup2:

Congrats also to Erling & all finishers & bad luck to Clive, you may well have had the pace to stay with Ziu & I.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on June 06, 2017, 04:43:02 PM +0100
Enjoyed that race, not had a battle like that with Ziu for some time.

Could not get near Ziu's qually time although I'm sure a high 1.59 was possible. Spun the wheels a little too much at the start & Ziu outdragged me to T1. Due to his qually pace I expected Ziu to disappear into the distance but I kept up quite easily for most of the race. There were parts of the track where Ziu was quicker & bits where I was faster & although I got alongside on a few occasions I didn't want to force a pass & risk taking us both off, so just sat behind & waited for a mistake. Eventually Ziu ran a little deep into T1 & I got a nice tight line which I'm sure would have got me in front, but I gave it a bit too much gas with too much steering lock still on & nearly span out. By the time I got it sorted Ziu was over 2s up the road & I could not close the gap over the remaining laps.

Great drive under pressure Ziu, I expect you had a bit in reserve & would have repassed me had I got ahead but it was a good race.  :thumbup2:

Congrats also to Erling & all finishers & bad luck to Clive, you may well have had the pace to stay with Ziu & I.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

It has been my choice not to go under 2:01 because the risk to go on red zone of XD was big, anyway i m sure that you could get 1:59 on qualy lap, anyway now we can say that the race pace could be more fast, maybe would been more funny !


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Bob M. on June 06, 2017, 07:00:10 PM +0100
Not much for me to report on this race.  Had a good start and followed Matt for a while but he steadily pulled away from me.  Just raced the track for awhile.  Then Clive passed me after his trouble at the start but saw a cloud of dust and their he was again, passed him and he was some distance back but reeled me in with a couple to go. Tried to hold him off but tires were gone and he was faster anyway, so after a minor off followed him to the finish.  Another lap or so and Steve would have got me also as he was faster than myself...One of my favorite track so was still good fun.  Grats to the podium!!!
 Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: SpecialKS on June 06, 2017, 07:41:22 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/Watkins Glen 05062017)

8)

Great track / car combo.

Calm race at the back of the pack except one hairy situation featuring Clive, Tony, me and a fourth driver after turn 10
during the opening stages of the race  ;D

Thanks for organizing.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: EvilClive on June 06, 2017, 10:38:32 PM +0100
I was racing at Croft earlier in the year, and am at Barbon Manor hillclimb this Saturday.

http://www.barbonhillclimb.co.uk/

What is happening at Oulton? If I have a day pass I might get there.


Oulton Park is holding a "Vintage Festival" on Sat 10th June with a quite a few classic car races, and Croft on Sunday has the British Touring car crashfest and fender bender Cup ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - Watkins Glen - Jun 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 07, 2017, 10:24:13 AM +0100
An enjoyable event, although disappointing that my pace was slower than almost everybody else. I just have trouble trying to squeeze power and handling from the Boss. However I did have many great battles with quite a few other drivers, at least for the first half of the race. After half way my front tyres were shot and this made accelerating through corners impossible and I was passed and left behind by the quicker guys. I did enjoy watching the replay and reliving my battles with Clive, Misnoimis, Steve and Kurt.
Like I say, great fun and the championship is looking close at the top. One oval, one street and one racetrack left to go in this series.