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Title: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 27, 2016, 05:52:20 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=556&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Mid-America Raceway Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_midamericaraceway)

Cars allowed: Shelby Mustang Boss 302 Download this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtl/cars/SRou_GTL_69Boss302Mustang_1.1.0.0.exe)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Ignore the start lights. They are out of sync with the game. You must use the Countdown feature and start on "GO".


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: 55steve55 on November 27, 2016, 06:39:38 PM +0000
This looks good, Tony. Does the 3x fuel consumption mean there will be pitstops?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 28, 2016, 12:14:46 AM +0000
This looks good, Tony. Does the 3x fuel consumption mean there will be pitstops?
That's an error. OP now corrected.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: 55steve55 on November 28, 2016, 07:10:21 PM +0000
 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 02, 2017, 10:28:58 PM +0100
IMPORTANT

Ignore the start lights. They are out of sync with the game. You must use the Countdown feature and start on "GO".


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Bob M. on October 02, 2017, 11:31:57 PM +0100
This is a track that wasn't modded in time for last seasons Trans Am series it was the second race in the 1966 season.  Tony found it after the series was set in stone.  Glad he decided to use it in the Boss 302 series.  It is a typical American track of the time,made in 1965 and lasted to around early 90's.  Built as a drag strip first and then the track around the property for road racing like Stardust and Greenvalley and many others.  Long gone now and is a housing development as many tracks went to this end.
Then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pSnz2q_l9g

Now:
http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9975

See you there
Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Geoffers on October 03, 2017, 09:27:16 AM +0100
Ah, this is a different track to the one I was expecting. There are 2 Mid-Americas, different circuits!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Erling G-P on October 05, 2017, 10:25:54 AM +0100
Chock-full of non-constant radius curves - was teenage Tilke involved in the design..?    ;D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on October 05, 2017, 10:33:48 AM +0100
Chock-full of non-constant radius curves - was teenage Tilke involved in the design..?    ;D

Cheers,
Erling

You know, I thought the same thing as you. It s a mix of Sepang, Buddh and Instanbul Park (Turkey there is always)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Bob M. on October 05, 2017, 04:50:29 PM +0100
I'm sure the goofy radius corners were a result of the area that this track was built in.  It is a very rough area that has many small rolling hills and was heavily wooded type terrain with rocky soil.  I'm sure they had to move a lot of dirt to get the area flat for the drag strip which was the priority as the track was just worked into the area that they had to work with.  You can see in the overhead picture if T4 would have been radiused evenly, that on exit  T5 & T6 would have been tighter and big American cars don't like tight hairpin type curves.  Also T8 exit would have created another tighter turn between it and the final right hander going up the drag strip.
I read a couple of comments from people that had raced there.  One guy stated that he ran a 7L Corvette there and it was considered a 3rd gear race track, only needed 2nd on the last turn and of course 4th on the s/f straight. 
Only thing I found on times was that some of the big stock cars were running in the 1:56 to 1:59 times.  Didn't see any times on the Trans am races, just average speeds. 

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: SpecialKS on October 05, 2017, 07:22:37 PM +0100
This is a track that wasn't modded in time for last seasons Trans Am series it was the second race in the 1966 season.  Tony found it after the series was set in stone.  Glad he decided to use it in the Boss 302 series.  It is a typical American track of the time,made in 1965 and lasted to around early 90's.  Built as a drag strip first and then the track around the property for road racing like Stardust and Greenvalley and many others.  Long gone now and is a housing development as many tracks went to this end.
Then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pSnz2q_l9g

Now:
http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9975

See you there
Bob M.

Thanks Bob - new track for me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Erling G-P on October 06, 2017, 09:25:30 AM +0100
I'm sure the goofy radius corners were a result of the area that this track was built in.  It is a very rough area that has many small rolling hills and was heavily wooded type terrain with rocky soil.  I'm sure they had to move a lot of dirt to get the area flat for the drag strip which was the priority as the track was just worked into the area that they had to work with.  You can see in the overhead picture if T4 would have been radiused evenly, that on exit  T5 & T6 would have been tighter and big American cars don't like tight hairpin type curves.  Also T8 exit would have created another tighter turn between it and the final right hander going up the drag strip.
I read a couple of comments from people that had raced there.  One guy stated that he ran a 7L Corvette there and it was considered a 3rd gear race track, only needed 2nd on the last turn and of course 4th on the s/f straight. 
Only thing I found on times was that some of the big stock cars were running in the 1:56 to 1:59 times.  Didn't see any times on the Trans am races, just average speeds. 

Bob M.

Interesting observations and info Bob.  Sad to see what little remains today.  A challenging track; certain corners where it's easy, but quite unwise to put a foot outside the track - trees not far away, and not very forgiving...  :o

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:42:47 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:48:08 PM +0100
And so our first Championship of 2017 draws to a close and we have our Champion

Congratulations to Erling G-P  :clap: :clap: :clap:

2nd - Geoffers :thumbup2: :thumbup2:

3rd - Ziu Bacubacu  :thumbup1:

Well done chaps and a big thank you to everyone who took part.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 10, 2017, 12:37:43 PM +0100
Not too much to report from me in this event. Had some opening skirmishes with Kurt but after he span off I was left on my own for the remainder of the race, a bit dull actually.

I just can not get a good setup for driving these cars and find that it is a constant battle, particularly exiting turns, to keep them under control. As such not my fave drive this season.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: phspok on October 10, 2017, 12:39:27 PM +0100
Good fun, strange though, I tested with a different car, and it was very tail happy, but I picked another one
with no great reason for this, and it was an understeery barge, and it wore the fronts out super fast.
Could not get down too my previous pace, but enjoyed chasing Roger  ;D
Not sure if some actually model the rear wing that some of them look to have or not.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Ziu Bacubacu on October 10, 2017, 01:23:03 PM +0100
Grats to Erling for  championship and Grats to Geoffers for second. 

I could win this race but as happened several times this years I had a problem. When happened it I was sure that was an hardware issue but not has been so,  Erling know the truth I sent to him a PM.  But what that I don't like is that me and Geoffers lost an other opportunity to get a true challenge. Qualy promised good just 0,1 second but my problem blocked me again too much times this year,  sorry Geoffers I m sure that you wanted it how me.... Same car on same track.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Geoffers on October 10, 2017, 02:30:15 PM +0100
Bad luck there Ziu, could have been a close finish, we had similar pace, it was the start that made the difference.

New track to me, so did a few laps on Sunday to learn it, used the same setup I had for Watkins Glen. Kept messing up my qually laps & only got a clean lap in near the end, so was not too confident of doing the race without some mistakes.

Got a blinding start, minimal wheelspin & the car just hooked up & went, could not believe how big a lead I had at the end of the first lap. Was expecting Ziu to close the gap but it stayed around 3s for the first half of the race until the car started to get more tricky to drive. Understeer into corners increased as did oversteer out & Ziu started to get closer. Got a bit of a break when Ziu lost a couple of seconds & then a big break when he disappeared altogether leaving me well ahead of Erling. Had one slight moment when the car got away from me at T7/8 & I had a trip across the grass so took it a bit easier over the last 3-4 laps.

Congrats to Erling & John on the podium. :clap: :clap:

Big Congrats to Erling on winning the championship, superb consistent driving, well deserved.  :notworthy: :notworthy:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Erling G-P on October 10, 2017, 04:44:20 PM +0100
Thanks guys; loved the car and the series has been a blast.  Surprised and proud to make off with the Championship, since I'm usually not fast in the U.S. heavy metal.

Despite early congratulations from Ziu, nothing was set in stone going into this last race. I knew he & Geoffers would be quicker than me, and if he won, which seemed most likely, I couldn't afford to finish any lower than 3rd.  In that regard, Clive's absence was a relief, as he's often been quicker than me in this series.

Got a worried frown during qual, when I followed Bob over a few laps, seemingly without getting closer.  With his usual consistency, I could be in trouble if he matched or let alone bested my speed.  Anyway, accomplished in qual what I couldn't do in near 100 practice laps, when I got below 1:50.  Temporarely pipped Geoffers for 2nd, but he rolled out an extra pair of tentacles and sucked it back  :alien: 

Comparing my time with the rest of the pack looked reassuring for 3rd, as I was comfortably faster.  Rude wake up at race start, when Bob mugged not only me, but Ziu too.  The latter made short work of him a couple of corners later (team order...?  ;D), when he went past.  Lot harder for me.  Bob had small moments here and there, but not big enough for me to exploit. Behind me, John was making advances, so had to defend against him too. Got past Bob in the final corner of L3 - apologies for the slight contact Bob; not my intentions and a bit rude.

No time to relax as I tried to build a gap; Bob more than matched my speed, and the slightest mistake or hesitation would shorten the gap immediately.  After some laps, Bob & John swapped places. Didn't make my task much easier, as John is just as tenacious in pursuit.  Gradually got a small gap, but the two gents remained in my mirror for most of the race, keeping me on my toes.

Around L15, I thought I was about to lap another car, but found it to be Ziu, who had obviously had an off. He went off again next lap, handing me 2nd and shortly after retiring.  Sorry about that Ziu - would have been perfectly happy with 3rd and the Championship.

Grats to Geoffers on the win and 2nd in the series  :clap: :clap:  Both grats and commiserations to Ziu for 3rd  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: SpecialKS on October 10, 2017, 07:11:16 PM +0100
Results (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/MAR_09102017)

8)

Nice one in the opening stages including a close fight with Tony :).
After a spin I lost my rhythm, had some offs and eventually got a Stop & Go penalty.
After the S&G I came back on track just behind Bill but learned that I was already one lap down  :( - so I decided to quit.
I assume that I missed one split time during my last off which led to the fact that the lap didn't count - sh.. happens  ;D

Grats to Erling for the championship and Geoffers for the win. Bad luck again Ziu!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 10, 2017, 07:27:17 PM +0100
Thanks for the results Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Bob M. on October 11, 2017, 02:54:00 PM +0100
First off congrats to Erling for his Championship in this series!!  Good fun for me, like this track and spent quite a few laps learning and practicing for the race.  No Erling I did not LET Ziu past me, he just blew by me.  My setup took a few laps to "come in" and you just happened at that time when it started to handle sorta decent, I don't use the add on info mod, so I have no idea who is behind me.  Too distracting for my old brain.... John and I had a good battle for many laps, after he passed me I tagged along after, we were very even in times and  he was better in some places and I better in others.  Never could find a opening with out wrecking us both.  Then maybe at L15 or so I saw a opening at T1 and took a risk to stick my nose under him but to avoid a collision locked up the brakes and spun plus killed the motor.  Took a long time to get it re-fired and he was 13 seconds ahead so just drove it home as no chance to catch him.  Thanks to Tony for a great series as usual. 

Bob M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Erling G-P on October 11, 2017, 04:56:08 PM +0100
First off congrats to Erling for his Championship in this series!!  Good fun for me, like this track and spent quite a few laps learning and practicing for the race.  No Erling I did not LET Ziu past me, he just blew by me.  My setup took a few laps to "come in" and you just happened at that time when it started to handle sorta decent, I don't use the add on info mod, so I have no idea who is behind me.  Too distracting for my old brain.... John and I had a good battle for many laps, after he passed me I tagged along after, we were very even in times and  he was better in some places and I better in others.  Never could find a opening with out wrecking us both.  Then maybe at L15 or so I saw a opening at T1 and took a risk to stick my nose under him but to avoid a collision locked up the brakes and spun plus killed the motor.  Took a long time to get it re-fired and he was 13 seconds ahead so just drove it home as no chance to catch him.  Thanks to Tony for a great series as usual. 

Bob M.

Thanks Bob.  You don't need the add on mod to see who's in front or behind; you can just turn on the driver tags of the game itself.  I have it assigned to a button on my wheel, so I can turn it on and off as desired during a race.  To see who's behind, you just look behind, and the tags are shown too.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Jeep on October 11, 2017, 09:53:51 PM +0100
These beasts have grown on me during the season and despite having to miss a few of the rounds I've really enjoyed them and hope they make a return in the future.

As Bob said we had a great battle over many laps. I really need to work on my set ups. Struggling a bit with understeer at the start moving to nicely balanced by about lap 5 through to lap 13 then as fuel burns off and tyres begin to suffer I have understeer back initially' turning into a desire to flick the rear out in the 2nd half of the turn. I managed to pass Bob entering the sweet spot handling wise when he put 2 wheels on the grass exiting T1 around lap 7 and he was never far off my rear bumper for the next 7 laps or so. I was able to make a few yards on the exit of the corners and as long as they kept coming up fast couldn't see a way for Bob to get past unless I made a mistake. Problem for me though was T1, My braking distances were getting longer and longer and I could see Bob getting more and more interested as the race progressed. It was a real shame it ended like it did. I tried to leave room for the inevitable dive up the inside into T1 and had a lingering doubt for the remainder of the race that possibly we had touched causing Bobs spin but the replay shows we didn't, not that that makes me feel any better, I was really enjoying the battle and the remaining 10 laps or so were quite lonely and a few unforced errors as concentration faltered gave Bob a few seconds back on me towards the end.

So 3rd? Better than I had dared to expect, and a new PB during the race when chasing Bob and Erling early on.

Congrats to Erling on the Championship and 2nd spot in this race, and Geoffers for the win. If Geoffers, Erling and Ziu can all get their act together in the same race it's a battle I'd pay to watch.

Thanks guys it was a blast as always.

TTFN
John.
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Erling G-P on October 12, 2017, 12:54:32 PM +0100

....Congrats to Erling on the Championship and 2nd spot in this race, and Geoffers for the win. If Geoffers, Erling and Ziu can all get their act together in the same race it's a battle I'd pay to watch....

Thanks for those kind words John. However, the two other gents are in a class of their own.  With very few exceptions, I can only beat them if they screw up, meet with misfortune, or maybe if the race includes a pitstop or two for some potential sneakiness...  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 17 Mustang Boss 302 Challenge - MAR - Oct 9
Post by: Geoffers on October 12, 2017, 02:45:23 PM +0100

....Congrats to Erling on the Championship and 2nd spot in this race, and Geoffers for the win. If Geoffers, Erling and Ziu can all get their act together in the same race it's a battle I'd pay to watch....

Thanks for those kind words John. However, the two other gents are in a class of their own.  With very few exceptions, I can only beat them if they screw up, meet with misfortune, or maybe if the race includes a pitstop or two for some potential sneakiness...  ;)

It may be true that Ziu & I are slightly faster than Erling (in some cars!), but where Erling is in a class of his own is consistency. He rarely makes mistakes & always finishes near the front  :notworthy:. I, on the other hand seem to have spent more time off the track than on it recently!  :eek: